I need a little help

[CasterTroy]

If you've read this thread (http://www.twowheelfix.com/showthread.php?t=10306) and you WOULD like to help....I ask for feedback.


I can't rail the twisties again. After seeing Brian's cold white Irises with specs of fresh dirt sprinkled on his face and eyes, holding his head and breathing in his nose, only to have blood pour from his mouth, I can't with good conscience, feel the rush, or get the high I once did doing it.

Brian was the only rider that could not only keep up with me…but keep me on my toes making me better with every curve trying to keep up with him.

I know it’s early….and yes I know, give it time….and I WILL...and I will revisit this thread in a week….two weeks…three weeks….etc until I can make a rational decision.

BUT….for now…I ask for feedback.

I can’t stand sports…I grew up with just my mother, and my buddies all like riding bikes and motorcycles…so we never really did anything but BMX and dirtbikes until it was time for license, then we all went street.

So I have no Saturday/Sunday couch potato activities….nor do I attend sporting events.

I’m not into drag racing, but I DO like taking a corner on a bike…and in a car.


Would it be possible to get somewhat the same thrill from a car, as it would be from a bike?

What car?

I’m just throwing this out as a possibility. I mean, if I were to REPLACE bikes with a car ($15-$20k…NOT NEW either) what would be a likely candidate?

I’d like something that could handle the same roads I ride a bike on…but something with enough nuts to do a good burnout and allow me the same immature antics I enjoy on a bike.

Any suggestions?


And thank you in advance...you all have been a great comfort to me.....REALLY

[karl_1052]

Troy, I understand a little bit how you must feel(I had a passenger I thought I killed when I had my accident), but I want to ask you a few questions.

Do you think Brian would want you to give up biking?
Would you want Brian to give up biking, if the roles were reversed?

I am not going to tell you what you should do, just throwing out a thought for you to chew on.

BTW, ever since my crash, I have always been one of the slowest in any group, but I still have fun.


Now for your question, Caterham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkXJaxmMSA&feature=fvw

[CasterTroy]

Thats WTF I'm talkin bout!!!!!!!!

Great suggestion




And.....I know you understand. Thanks!

To answer the questions.....I have to give you a little more info about him.....for as much as I loved Brian as a "Buddy" he wasn't one to ever share emotions or feelings. I mean...it was rare he told you whether he was hot or cold..you just guessed by what he wore.

ALSO, He had a very good friend die doing something stupid....a wheelie over a blind hill on a CBR 900 RR about 13 yrs ago and it never stopped him...but he wasn't WITH him at the time....holding his head screaming at him to wake up.

Brian was a very selfish person. As long as you KNEW that, and accepted him for who he was, he was fine...but even to his wife, he was selfish. He made the money...so he had the toys...etc. I was one of the few people in the world who DIDN'T try to change him or tell him he was selfish...I just took him for who he was and enjoyed him for himself.

So no..he wouldn't give up riding...because that's HIS, and the concern of his wife/family wasn't as important as him being able to ride.

That was brought up yesterday.

I am NOT a selfish person..I care MORE for my family than for myself. So to compare us and what he would do if roles were reversed is kind of a bad comparison.


MY problem is seeing the aftermath...his wife...the families....the friends...ME


Yes I could die in a car a much more tragic death....but my family could sleep at night :shrug:

[BobTheBiker]

This is a choice you have to make yourself. Think about it long and hard. maybe take a break from riding for awhile or change what/how you ride.

Ultimately, its up to you, all we can do is offer our thoughts on the matter.

[NeonspeedRT]

Troy,
If you do decide you want to get into something else, look into autocrossing. Check out the SCCA ( sports car club of America ). Solo 2 events are a blast and you can get intoit pretty cheap. You can race with anything from a Honda civic. Dodge neon, Mazda miata, or pretty much any small to medium sized car. There are classes for stock cars, mild modded cars, highly modded cars, and everything inbetween.

The amount you spend is basically up to you. You can go racing for $25 per event. If you want to run race tires you can. If you want to run stock tires, you can.

The Solo 2 events are basically individual timed runs on a road course, a good sized parking lot, or even an airport runway. The course is marked by cones or painted lines. Check it out. It's a great rush and alot of fun.

[CasterTroy]

Troy,
Check it out. It's a great rush and alot of fun.


Will do :rockwoot: Thanks

[RACER X]

miata!

first start auto-crossing

then road racing.

[CasterTroy]

6'-2"

I can't SIT in a miata with the top up Ed.....and when I DO sit in one the top bar of the windshield is all I see

[RACER X]

hmmm.........so you have a long torso.........just sit on the floor.......lol

buy a race only miata.........kekeke no top needed

[Dave]

6'-2"

I can't SIT in a miata with the top up Ed.....and when I DO sit in one the top bar of the windshield is all I see

the right race seat layout will put you on the floor

[RACER X]

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[Captain Morgan]

I do agree with trying out SCCA. What happened was horrible and will take a long time to get over. I feel for you, your family, and his family. Sometimes we need to take a break, but I'd be willing to bet that you'll miss riding if you choose to give it up. A car just doesn't give the same rush.

[CasterTroy]

I'd be willing to bet that you'll miss riding if you choose to give it up. A car just doesn't give the same rush.


I gave it up for a year in 2004 after an accident...worst year of my life....I realize what I'm doing....and as crazy as it sounds for TRUE riders to give it up....seeing Brians family this weekend has changed things drastically.

I dunno...like I said...revisit in a few weeks and who knows

I HAVE found some nice corvettes, M3's, and a few 911's for $20k :whatwhat:

[neebelung]

+ 1 on auto-x... It's something I've been wanting to get into for years now (ever since a friend took me for a run in his 350z... I was giggling like a fiend, it was so fun :rofl:).

If Miatas are too small, take a look at WRX's, or STi's. Shoot, I saw people out there auto-xing Acura TL's! :lol:

[VatorMan]

A properly set up C4 Corvette is an AutoX killer. Lots of low end torque and since you never get past 3rd gear, you don't have to worry about top end speed. Cars are faster on the track but you don't get the same "emotional" attachment to the machine.

[Trip]

I would give it a month or two before you pull the trigger on giving it up. Stop riding and just give it some time. See if you feel the same way in a few months. It's got to be extremely rough for you right now and thinking about riding is the last thing you want to do. Just give it some time before you go full bore with this route.

[tached1000rr]

I would give it a month or two before you pull the trigger on giving it up. Stop riding and just give it some time. See if you feel the same way in a few months. It's got to be extremely rough for you right now and thinking about riding is the last thing you want to do. Just give it some time before you go full bore with this route.

My thoughts as well.... If anything just begin looking at options for a SCCA car, perhaps even go to a few events as a spectator.

If you want to stay with the bike, you could just get a track day only bike so at least you are riding in a structured environment.

[Mr Lefty]

have you thought of giving up STREET riding... say keep the bike for track only... or hell just go DIRT...

I've never experienced the loss of a close friend or family member... but having several close calls... and knowing of too many people that have passed riding agressivly on the street... I'm done with it.

I'll be buying a Dual sport before the end of the year... though, with the exception of hitting the track... I've met all my goals for street riding... got a knee down and got rid of my chicken strips. and I can't ride over 60% with out worry'n too much about what COULD happen.

I don't know that cars will give you the same rush as a bike... because that rush is from the danger. shit bungee jumping and sky diving would be boring as hell if we knew 100% with out a doubt that we'd be fine... it's the danger that attracts us and gives us that rush.

I hope you can find something that will meet both your requirements (safe enough for your family but gives you a rush) but it's not gonna be easy IMO...

[CasterTroy]

hell just go DIRT...




Been there...done that...and nowhere to friggin RIDE any more


have you thought of giving up STREET riding... say keep the bike for track only...


This is also a very possible option....ditch the BMW and motard and get a GSXR 750 for track only

[goof2]

Try the car thing but for the budget you are working with I think anything "bike like" will be out of reach. Caterhams start at $30k without engine or transmission. The R500 posted earlier is $60k without engine or trans.mThe Ariel Atom is $65k. A Lotus Elise starts at about $48k and an Exige is $65k+. There really isn't much else from a factory I can think of that will have the combination of light weight and power I suspect you would want.

Depending on how strict your area of NC is with emissions and registration you could also consider dropping a GM LS V8 in to a Miata. From what I have seen it can be done for around $25k with a new motor and trans. It could be less with a used powertrain.

[karl_1052]

Try the car thing but for the budget you are working with I think anything "bike like" will be out of reach. Caterhams start at $30k without engine or transmission. The R500 posted earlier is $60k without engine or trans.mThe Ariel Atom is $65k. A Lotus Elise starts at about $48k and an Exige is $65k+. There really isn't much else from a factory I can think of that will have the combination of light weight and power I suspect you would want.

Depending on how strict your area of NC is with emissions and registration you could also consider dropping a GM LS V8 in to a Miata. From what I have seen it can be done for around $25k with a new motor and trans. It could be less with a used powertrain.

He is looking used, and used Caterhams are not too bad.
I have seen them as low as 10K pounds, you could probably get one over here for right around 20K US, then in two years swap out the 1.6L ford for a 1.3L suzuki.;)

[CasterTroy]

Try the car thing but for the budget you are working with I think anything "bike like" will be out of reach. Caterhams start at $30k without engine or transmission. The R500 posted earlier is $60k without engine or trans.mThe Ariel Atom is $65k. A Lotus Elise starts at about $48k and an Exige is $65k+. There really isn't much else from a factory I can think of that will have the combination of light weight and power I suspect you would want.

Depending on how strict your area of NC is with emissions and registration you could also consider dropping a GM LS V8 in to a Miata. From what I have seen it can be done for around $25k with a new motor and trans. It could be less with a used powertrain.


You've got that right....sheesh. But I'm also thinking of maybe building something.

I've done it before

http://www.troybaker.com/62/troybanner4.gif

No reason I couldn't again :shrug:

LS1 motor in a vega? :lol:

[askmrjesus]

Hey Troy, Sorry to hear about your friend. I wish I could say I can't imagine how you feel right now, but unfortunately, I can.

We all know, deep down, that motorcycles are inherently dangerous pieces of machinery. Hell, I expect that's why many of us ride them. We tell ourselves, (and our spouses) that we'll be OK. We have all the training, all the gear, and the experience, but in the end, we know it could all go wrong in an instant. It's the nature of the beast. Always was, always will be.

My advice, hang up your helmet for awhile. You have too much bad shit floating around your head right now, and it's going to take a while before you have the kind of confidence it takes to ride like you want to. I don't think anyone would blame you for wanting to trade the bike in for a car, but you already know it won't be the same thing. How could it be?

If you decide the risks aren't worth the reward, move on to something new. If you decide to jump back on, I can tell you from experience that it does get better, and that eventually it will be fun again. It won't ever be quite the same, but, well, that's just how it is.

Take care man.

JC

[Cutty72]

I was going to suggest quads, but if dirt riding is hard to come by, that's out. You could go with a side by side, they can run on the street. Take care man, and keep your head up.

[goof2]

You've got that right....sheesh. But I'm also thinking of maybe building something.

I've done it before

http://www.troybaker.com/62/troybanner4.gif

No reason I couldn't again :shrug:

LS1 motor in a vega? :lol:

It looks like something you would be comfortable with. Nice work on the truck. If you want to go lighter there are also some kits available for swapping the Integra type-r motor in to an original mini. Seriously light weight being hauled around by 200hp would be entertaining. I would think it could be done in the $12k-18k range.

[Flexin]

Troy,
If you do decide you want to get into something else, look into autocrossing. Check out the SCCA ( sports car club of America ). Solo 2 events are a blast and you can get intoit pretty cheap. You can race with anything from a Honda civic. Dodge neon, Mazda miata, or pretty much any small to medium sized car. There are classes for stock cars, mild modded cars, highly modded cars, and everything inbetween.

The amount you spend is basically up to you. You can go racing for $25 per event. If you want to run race tires you can. If you want to run stock tires, you can.

The Solo 2 events are basically individual timed runs on a road course, a good sized parking lot, or even an airport runway. The course is marked by cones or painted lines. Check it out. It's a great rush and alot of fun.

You beat me to it. This is a much better way to have fun. I had a friend that did it. His father had a Z24 with the 3.1 in it. They both went every weekend and they both drove the same car. After a while they bought some steel rims and a set of tires and would change them for the event.

I know another guy that did it in a Nissan NX2000.

James

[Ducati Diva]

Dido on what everyone else has said just give your heart time to heal a little before you make any rash decisions but..........
If you want a fun relative consumer friendly fast ltl ride check out the Subaru STI. We had an 05 and absolutely frackn loved it. It's all wheel drive, 4 door(still family friendly), Butt loads of power from the factory, and if you tweak that oh hell hang on. I highly recommend them to anyone. They are a blast!!!!

[Flexin]

If you have a daily driver I would go with a Factory Five Cobra. Full kit is in your price range and you have experience building cars. Or you could buy one that is already built from another owner. You can have as much power as you can afford, brakes and suspension can be as mild or crazy as you want or can afford.

http://www.factoryfive.com/rdsterhome.html

The 33' is nice as well but I'm not sure if you fit in those.

James

[NeonspeedRT]

You beat me to it. This is a much better way to have fun. I had a friend that did it. His father had a Z24 with the 3.1 in it. They both went every weekend and they both drove the same car. After a while they bought some steel rims and a set of tires and would change them for the event.

I know another guy that did it in a Nissan NX2000.

James

That's the great thing about autocrossing. You can do it with whatever car and whatever kind of budget you want. I wouldn't go out and buy a M3 or Vette till you know if you like it. Find a cheap Civic, Mini Cooper, WRX, or something like that.

When I used to race there was a group of guys who called themselves "Enterprise Rental Racing". Two guys would go rent a car, autocross it, and then return it.

[ericr]

Yes I could die in a car a much more tragic death....but my family could sleep at night :shrug:


I haven't read through the rest of the replies yet but this one sentence caught my attention Troy.

When it comes to your family, will it really matter how you die when the time comes??? It's one thing maybe if you're taking stupid risks but I've never gotten the impression you do that on the bike. Yes, riding is risky, so is driving a car fast on curvy roads. People die all the time in senseless (it seems) accidents that are beyond anyones control. People die of cancer, sometimes within weeks of discovering it. Then they look at their life and have to evaluate how they lived it.

The real question for me and the way I look at it is...do I want to live until I die or live in a bubble and start dying slowly now because I'm scared it's going to happen? Well, it's inevitable, it's gonna happen and I'd rather live until then. I feel most alive on a bike, wether I'm pushing it or just cruising along, but that's the most alive feeling for me with some adrinelin thrown in once and a while.

Is it selfish to want to do the thing you love becasue there is a chance you could crash and die? Maybe a little, but it's selfish for someone to not want you to do what you love too, a little.

I'm sure you can tell what my opinion is. It's your choice on how to live your life or not live it. Just come to peace with your choice what ever it is you choose and hopefully your family and loved ones will accept that choice either way also.

[CasterTroy]

Hey Troy, Sorry to hear about your friend. I wish I could say I can't imagine how you feel right now, but unfortunately, I can.

We all know, deep down, that motorcycles are inherently dangerous pieces of machinery. Hell, I expect that's why many of us ride them. We tell ourselves, (and our spouses) that we'll be OK. We have all the training, all the gear, and the experience, but in the end, we know it could all go wrong in an instant. It's the nature of the beast. Always was, always will be.

My advice, hang up your helmet for awhile. You have too much bad shit floating around your head right now, and it's going to take a while before you have the kind of confidence it takes to ride like you want to. I don't think anyone would blame you for wanting to trade the bike in for a car, but you already know it won't be the same thing. How could it be?

If you decide the risks aren't worth the reward, move on to something new. If you decide to jump back on, I can tell you from experience that it does get better, and that eventually it will be fun again. It won't ever be quite the same, but, well, that's just how it is.

Take care man.

JC


Damn dude....you brought a tear to my eye! That was awesome and I appreciate that more than you'll ever know







The real question for me and the way I look at it is...do I want to live until I die or live in a bubble and start dying slowly now because I'm scared it's going to happen? Well, it's inevitable, it's gonna happen and I'd rather live until then. I feel most alive on a bike, wether I'm pushing it or just cruising along, but that's the most alive feeling for me with some adrinelin thrown in once and a while.





EXACTLY

No, I don't take stupid chances...and I'm very careful looking out for other idiots. So IF anything were to happen on 2 wheels, it would be a freak accident or a careless action of another (pulling out in front of me...etc) and NOT how Brian died.....a wheelie between curves on a "deals gap" road

But...you're right! 100%

[LeeNetworX]

miata!

first start auto-crossing

then road racing.

Miata wouldn't work for Troy; he has testicles.

[wildchild]

if you're going to cars I would go with used corvette, camaro, or mustang. they're fun as hell to drive and very capable racers. Yes they will do the prerequisite burn out very well.

before jumping I would give it time first. it is just the normal grieving process. as your friend becomes more of a "great times together" memory rather then "worst day of my life" memory that haunts you now, getting back into your normal routine will become easier.

very sorry to hear about your loss.

[RACER X]

Miata wouldn't work for Troy; he has testicles.

if you got a big enough "tool" who needs ballz..........lol or a monster truck for that fact......:ps:

[TommyHotWheel]

If you need something to turn and squirt with, try an Ariel Atom. You can put it together and put any engine you want in it. Junkyard ecotech 4 with the supercharger....

[karl_1052]

If you need something to turn and squirt with, try an Ariel Atom. You can put it together and put any engine you want in it. Junkyard ecotech 4 with the supercharger....

The only problem is price.
Atoms are big freaking money now.

[Apoc]

Troy, im no pro, i've never gone through something like this before. But as backwards as this sounds, sneak away and go for a ride. Just a relaxing, slow ride, to think and see how you feel.

Your family of course comes first. But you LOVE riding, and this isnt a reason to stop. Your friend died while doing what he loved. While that is sad, its more than any of us could ever hope for.

Death is a chance we take everytime we walk outside. Those of us who ride, obviously are taking a little bigger chance, but we know that, and find it worth it. Your friend knew that. And you knew that.

Nothing is ever going to take away the hurt. But you cant let the world scare you either. Did you say you'd never love again when you and your wife split up? I doubt it. I know it didnt involve death, but still traumatic.

The best way to honor those who died before their time, is to live life to the fullest, both for yourself and them. Giving up riding wouldnt be doing that. And im sure your friend would want you to live life, no matter how selfish you may think he was.

I know we had our differences in the past at cf sometimes (mostly over your faith and my lack of), but i've always had a ton of respect for you. If your faith is as strong as ever, then you believe god took him for some greater purpose. Hold on to that belief, and find comfort in it. Giving up isnt holding on. Good luck my friend, I hope I helped even just a little.

[pauldun170]

Wait till next season.
If you decide to step away from the sport
Sell the bikes while they still hold value on the market.

Pick up a cheap used standard to justify the MC endorsement on your license. Something simple like that's easy to maintain. A basic motorcycle like a 90's CB750 or Kawi 750 (air or oil cooled). Don't spend more than 1500. There is something therapeutic about an old basic motorcycle and it may come in handy.

As for things to fill the void.
Used Vettes are fun, but I'd also check to see how well you could fit in an Elise.
Hitting the track has already been mentioned....

[Krabill]

Riding is a part of life for some people. It is just something to do for others. When my friend was killed, I was back out riding again that weekend. Never gave it up. Never even took a break from it. It is a dangerous activity. Things happen. You either accept them, or find another avenue and move on. As a matter of fact, I'm typing this with my left arm in a full cast right now. I'll be riding again the day they cut this sum bitch off.

[CrazyKell]

Go track only. Family can come and enjoy it with you.

[azoomm]

Troy, you already know how I feel. If you're looking at cars - stay away from big muscle cars. And, for the love of all holy - stay away from a mustang. It is, after all, just a mustang. If you go Ford, it should be a Cobra or greater.

I'd say Lotus, except they have all sorts of recall issues that most haven't resolved. Miata is a good choice - it's the SV650 of track cars, plenty of them out there so parts are readily available. Mini is the invincible of all the track cars - small wheel base and corners like no other.

Of course, if you have the budget I'd say go M3 or M5.

[CasterTroy]

I hope I helped even just a little.


You did brother!!! You did!

[Mr Lefty]

Troy... I'm wondering do you just not get enjoyment out of just riding? is it just the "hooliganizm" that gets your high? the reason I ask is I see you've got a R1150RTL... but yet your question seems to deal with only the high adrenaline stuff.

are you considering giving up riding completely or just the 'motard?

To be completely honest I don't think you'll find something that allows you to be so in control and out of control at the same time as riding a motorcycle. as many have said before... that's what draws us in.

I'm a little different than most... and deal with things my own way... but in your situation... now would be a perfect time for a road trip to nowhere. not to run away... but to be alone... with my thoughts and feelings... the open road is therapeutic to me... always has been...

[Yamerhaw]

i traded off my bike the other day to a buddy and drove his 97 Toyota Supra and that car blew my damn mind, handling and braking were possibly as good as the bike, and would smoke a 750 in a straight line, even top speed will beat my bike as mine cuts off at 186, i've witnessed the Supra make a 200mph pass(on GPS)!

but i think he's got about 60k in it

[unknownroad]

To be completely honest I don't think you'll find something that allows you to be so in control and out of control at the same time as riding a motorcycle. as many have said before... that's what draws us in.

Actually, I'll say that there's one thing that's even more so- high-performance jet skis. If you've got a big lake nearby, rent or borrow one... They lack the destination/new scenery factor of a bike (usually), but they lean the right way when you turn them, and they offer some awesome delta-v without worry about speed traps or the hassle of arranging your schedule around a track date.

Best wishes to you, Troy.

[MILK]

6'-2"

I can't SIT in a miata with the top up Ed.....and when I DO sit in one the top bar of the windshield is all I see

My dad's 6'3" and he has no problems..

To answer your question though - why does it have to have a motor? Horseback riding, hiking, etc etc. all have their own thrills as well. :) Those are the things I am going to do.

[Apoc]

My dad's 6'3" and he has no problems..

To answer your question though - why does it have to have a motor?

If I didnt know from the hot body and good looks, that statement right there would tell me your a girl!

[MILK]

If I didnt know from the hot body and good looks, that statement right there would tell me your a girl!

redflip

[CasterTroy]

are you considering giving up riding completely or just the 'motard?



to be honest..I don't know....I don't know whether to scratch my watch or wind my butt...I don't know if I'm hungry, or if it's nerves....I just don't KNOW anything right now. But in the event I have something come to me...I was going to use this thread as a reference point and info to help educate my next move....if there IS one.

I DO KNOW....the hard core railing I did on the road is over.....I got the motard thinking the speed would decrease from that of the R1/TLR..etc thus lowering the potential danger factor....but in actuality I'm 2x as fast thru the tight stuff (think deals gap) that I EVER was on the TLR or the R1....I frickin FLEW thru the corners on those bikes. And now with THIS.....at JUST 50-60 rounding a 25 mph corner carries JUST too much risk for me any more.

That doesn't say that I won't take the motard to the track now.....even though it's limit is 105....I think I can still have fun at the smaller tracks like CMP..so that’s also an option

Also don't know about the BMW.....I got it to ENJOY riding....slow.....and with the wife occasionally. Maybe I just keep IT and chill.


At any rate..no decision can be made for a while....not going to MAKE that call anytime soon...just collecting information on alternatives.


My dad's 6'3" and he has no problems..

To answer your question though - why does it have to have a motor? Horseback riding, hiking, etc etc. all have their own thrills as well. :) Those are the things I am going to do.


Simple answer: I'm a man :shrug: that’s why

I hike....I canoe...I'm a big outdoors person already, but nothing can replace suck squeeze bang blow.....nothing. I'm a man that has to take stuff apart and "Tim Taylor" it constantly. And a horse torn apart in the garage....well that'd just be messy.

If it has a motor and tires...I'm all about it....and just can't foresee ever being without something to tinker with that doesn't have those things

If it has a motor and tires...I'm all about it....and just can't foresee ever being without something to tinker with that doesn't have those things

[CasterTroy]

If I didnt know from the hot body and good looks, that statement right there would tell me your a girl!



:lol: too funny....as I was composing the long version Apoc hits a bunt and gets a homer

[ericr]

And a horse torn apart in the garage....well that'd just be messy.



:lol at that one Troy!

[Mr Lefty]

:lol:


well have you thought about dual sports?

I'm pretty much done with riding fast on the street (not that I was fast anyways) and I'm looking for more adventure...

no it won't give me the rush... but the fear won't be there either. instead will be enjoyment... knowing that I can point my bike in any direction (cept south... as I'm on the gulf coast) and head for days off road or on... and have a blast.

the reason I ask is as you said you're a big outdoors person... and here you're not restricted to finding a place to ride dirt... instead you ride to FIND dirt :D

[101lifts2]

Weightlifting....:lol

[Cutty72]

Actually, I'll say that there's one thing that's even more so- high-performance jet skis. If you've got a big lake nearby, rent or borrow one... They lack the destination/new scenery factor of a bike (usually), but they lean the right way when you turn them, and they offer some awesome delta-v without worry about speed traps or the hassle of arranging your schedule around a track date.

Best wishes to you, Troy.

Another bonus... Chicks in bikini's :drool:

[Flexin]

Another bonus... Chicks in bikini's :drool:

We have a winner!!!! :rockwoot:

James

[mutley]

i would say keep the bike . cos i wold what he'd want. but sat
ying that i gave up me bike because i had a little girl and i was a bit to mad so now builbing a track/hill climer car . all the best.