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Tmall
09-10-2009, 04:57 PM
That's a tongue lashing...
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/localheroes/story/4CBF361CCA9F41328625762D0054CCCE?OpenDocument
The sheriff was very very professional in his reply..
best thing I read all day
The original email was sent to Sheriff Glenn Boyer on Thursday, August 27. Below is the citizen's email followed by Sheriff Boyer's response.
I tried to call you earlier this morning, but was unable to obtain your extension from the voice mail system as I was not sure of your first name or correct spelling of your last.
I was inadvertently in this procession as I was leaving work on 270 from Creve Coeur and proceeding on Hwy. 30 West. I have some issues and complaints. I called the Sheriff's office last night, but the officer in charge would not speak with me. His name was Corp. Curtis. I am in no way complaining about your officers. I, however, was not treated very fairly when I called last evening because I wanted a ticket/complaint/or at least a slap on wrist for the people involved. Let me explain:
1) This procession should never have been held during rush hour traffic! Hwy. 270 is dangerous and people drive way too fast and there is too much traffic. This soldier's certainly would not have want his family hurt on the interstate taking him to Cedar Hill. People were dead-stopping on the interstate even though the procession was in the far right lane, the other three lanes just stopped. There were many near accidents and possibly were after I drove through. I was in the 2nd to left lane, no way obstructing the funeral procession.
2) I exited off on Gravois (30 W), far right lane. Your police officers went in the left lane to stop any additional on-coming traffic so the procession could exit off 270 into the LEFT lane of 30. Again, I was in the right lane. The St. Louis County officer stopped and turned around at Weber Hill to return on 270 after the procession passed.
3) The road was not closed. (Only for president as far as I know.) Again, the road was not closed. Your officers only had the left lane blocked/closed for the funeral. All other traffic by MO law can proceed as long as they do not interfere (weave in and out )with funeral procession.
Let me say, that I did not know what was happening. I knew the did not have Kennedy coming to STL, at least not yesterday. I was at work all day. No news. Nothing reported on the traffic on the radio driving home.
Anyway, two of these dirty, nasty, renegade, who knows what motorcycle men that were escorting the procession proceeded to stop in front of me in the right lane on Gravois. I had to stop in the middle of an intersection. They proceeded to scream and yell at me about respecting this soldier, etc. One of them climbed off his motorcycle and came over to me and stuck his head in my car continuing to scream at me. I asked him what this was for and he told me I needed to stop as the officers had the road blocked and show some dang respect. #1, the road was not blocked, the funeral was in the other lane. #2, I am proud of our country and sorry for the family, but they had no idea where I was going or anything else. I could have a child at day-care, I could have been sick and racing to the bathroom, I could have a sick parent waiting for me, etc., etc.
#3, They are not law enforcement and had no right to stop in the lane on Gravois and they had no right to scream at me and intimidate and threaten me. If I would have had my pepper spray, I would have used it on this nasty man! He is just a big hoo ha that is not even related to this soldier. The other man did not get off his scooter, but was along side of my passenger window screaming.
I left an abusive husband 1 1/2 years ago and I did not need this intimidation. I was livid and shaking!!
My son is a deputy sheriff in another MO county. I respect police officers. It was not their fault as they were busy with traffic, but I called to make them aware of what was going on during this thing. The St. Louis County officer saw it but of course he was out of jurisdiction.
However, I called last night and your office asked me if I knew about this soldier. Again, I am sorry about him, but I am a taxpayer. I got a speeding ticket a few months ago and paid the fine. I do not deserve to be treated like this. I wanted to let the officer know how these men were acting. Also, they were driving into the turnarounds on Hwy. 30 and then back onto the road. the funeral was much further ahead. One of them nearly got hit by me and other people almost hit him and another as well. I wanted to lodge a complaint about them why they were still there, but no one in your office would take any information or do anything.
This was not a military funeral, even though it was a soldier. There were not military vehicles. It was a funeral and the road was not closed, the lane was closed, I was in the other lane and again, these nasty men had no right to do this and I would have liked them to get a ticket!
I am sorry for the soldier and his family but you cannot let these motorcycle renegades do this. They could have caused several accidents and I really wanted them arrested. If they had any respect for the soldier they would have dressed better and not looked and acted so scuzzy.
Thank you.
From:
Glenn Boyer/JEFFCO
Date: 08/31/2009 02:05 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Funeral Procession - Yesterday p.m.
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Dear XXXXX:
Yes, you do deserve a response and I am willing to give you one.
I would like to say that I am sorry for the inconvenience we caused you during the funeral procession of Sergeant 1st Class William B. Woods, but I cannot do so. I would ask instead that you take a moment of your time to take into consideration the scope of the event. Your very right to complain was the reason Sgt. Woods fought for his country and ultimately gave his life; thus making the ultimate sacrifice for you and your family.
Let me introduce you to him. After high school, Sergeant Woods entered the Marine Corps. After his contract was up, he joined the Army, where he became a Green Beret. He comes from a long line of military members in his family. His Uncle is a Vietnam Veteran and two of his grandfathers were World War II Veterans. His job in the Army was one of the most dangerous jobs - he was a sniper looking for the bad guys to stop before they killed or injured one of our soldiers. He has numerous decorations to include the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart.
He grew up in Catawissa and was best known by his middle name, Brian. He enjoyed the outdoors, playing sports, and skydiving. He had a wife, Elizabeth, and two daughters, whom he loved dearly. He was a soft-spoken, level-headed young man who was proud to serve his country no matter what the risk. Now, I did not know him, but I wish I did. I am quoting from newspaper articles written about him.
At the young age of 31, he was shot during an engagement with Taliban forces in Ghanzi , Afghanistan . He died of his wounds in Germany on August 16, with his family by his side. He did not choose the time of his death, nor did he choose the time his remains would be brought back to his home in Catawissa. He just did his duty. He was quite a young man.
While you were being inconvenienced in your car on your way home, there were soldiers just like Sergeant Woods carrying 100+ pounds of equipment in 120 degree heat, up some mountain or in the middle of some desert. They will shower out of a helmet liner if they get the chance. They will eat a cold meal of MRE's; something most people would consider garbage. They cannot text their family or friends, or go to McDonalds, or watch TV. They can only continue the mission and look out after the guy to the left and right of them. They don't complain because they know they volunteered. The only thing they ask is that we do not forget the sacrifices they have made.
One of the dirty "big hoo ha" bikers, as you call them, was Brian's uncle, a Vietnam Veteran, like myself. We were not treated with a homecoming. We were spit on and called baby killers by a misguided public. Brian's uncle was giving him the respect that he, himself, never received when he came back and I, for one, am proud of him for doing so.
You say that your brother is a deputy in another Missouri county. I am sure he would be proud to escort the casket of a fallen solder, the same as he would that of a fallen officer. I am also sure he would not agree with your complaint about being inconvenienced.
My mother recently passed away. She was a World War II Veteran, serving the U.S. Army. She would say, maybe you should pick up Sergeant Woods' ruck sack and carry on where he left off. Then you could see first hand what it really is to be inconvenienced.
Per your request, I will forward your complaint to the Prosecuting Attorney's Office for his review. It is my personal opinion that your complaint is self-serving and without merit.
Sheriff Oliver "Glenn" Boyer
Im glad he responded the way he did. Even though he'll probably take shit from the pc public for it.
tommymac
09-10-2009, 05:20 PM
Im glad he responded the way he did. Even though he'll probably take shit from the pc public for it.
Maybe but at least he prolly made her feel like crap for bitching, I hope that was at least acomplished.
tom
azoomm
09-10-2009, 05:39 PM
Of COURSE they would stop all over the road for a procession. They SHOULD stop to honor those passing regardless of direction passing on the roadway.
Common courtesy is gone with common sense. Booooo.
Bravo to the response. I applaud it.
goof2
09-10-2009, 05:43 PM
Maybe but at least he prolly made her feel like crap for bitching, I hope that was at least acomplished.
tom
While that would be nice I doubt it happened. Anyone willing to make multiple calls then email the sheriff because they were inconvenienced by any funeral procession, much less a military funeral procession, isn't likely to have much shame. I suspect this bitch is trying to take it higher up the "food chain". I hope she gets no traction.
ETA: What are the odds that the emailer has had a yellow "support the troops" magnetic ribbon on her car in the last 10 years? I'd say pretty good.
She's a moron.
The bikers should have never got involved. Anyone that is not a cop that tries to pull me over will meet something not so friendly.
She's a moron.
The bikers should have never got involved. Anyone that is not a cop that tries to pull me over will meet something not so friendly.
Do you actually believe that part of her story?
Anyway, two of these dirty, nasty, renegade, who knows what motorcycle men that were escorting the procession proceeded to stop in front of me in the right lane on Gravois.
Im sure he was a filthy renbegade biker on his way to a funeral. lol. Probably an honor guard rider.
Do you actually believe that part of her story?
They probably stopped her, but they probably didn't yell at her. She probably yelled at them and that got them yelling back at her.
They probably stopped her, but they probably didn't yell at her. She probably yelled at them and that got them yelling back at her.
exactly.
Bitch has no right to complain. She shoulda shut the fuck up, head down, and showed this poor soldier the respect he deserves. Fucking cunt.
exactly.
Bitch has no right to complain. She shoulda shut the fuck up, head down, and showed this poor soldier the respect he deserves. Fucking cunt.
yeah, everyone should know to pull over for a funeral no matter if it is a soldier or citizen. Just a matter of respect.
Homeslice
09-10-2009, 06:49 PM
I tried to call you earlier this morning, but was unable to obtain your extension from the voice mail system as I was not sure of your first name or correct spelling of your last.
You got his email addy right? Then you must have seen how it was spelled. So call back and try again, ho.
I called the Sheriff's office last night, but the officer in charge would not speak with me.
I wonder why.
Hwy. 270 is dangerous and people drive way too fast
:rolleyes:
This soldier's certainly would not have want his family hurt on the interstate taking him to Cedar Hill.
:rolleyes:
Anyway, two of these dirty, nasty, renegade, who knows what motorcycle men
wtf is this bitch 70 yrs old?
I could have a child at day-care,
no your skank ass is too old
I could have been sick and racing to the bathroom,
yep, cept you need to race to the bathroom even when you're not sick
I left an abusive husband 1 1/2 years ago and I did not need this intimidation.
sounds more like he left you.
I was livid and shaking!!
who the fuck says livid?
My son is a deputy sheriff in another MO county
yeah that means dick
motorcycle renegades
:lmao:
If they had any respect for the soldier they would have dressed better and not looked and acted so scuzzy.
Scuzzy?? Who the hell says scuzzy?
STFU wench.
neebelung
09-10-2009, 07:03 PM
Wow. She's got some major gall. What a disrespectful bitch.
Major kudos to the Sherriff for his response.
MissHell
09-10-2009, 07:19 PM
Good for the Sheriff. :bowdown:
I agree, motorcycles were probably PGR. Plus one being his Uncle.
Cutty72
09-10-2009, 07:57 PM
and since when are military funeral processions required to have military vehicles in them? :idk:
Mr Lefty
09-10-2009, 08:03 PM
The bikers should have never got involved. Anyone that is not a cop that tries to pull me over will meet something not so friendly.
Probably an honor guard rider.
you mean Patriot Guard rider....
and that's what they do... they help escort... when someone isn't paying due respect... if that means cutting the procession or protesting... they interviene...
now if they were yelling that may be a little much... but being that one was his Uncle... and a vietnam vet... I'd be yelling too.
used to be that you'd stop for ANY funeral procession just like you would a fire truck, ambulance, or cop with it's lights and siren on. now... it's just another inconvenience.... sad state our society is in...
you mean Patriot Guard rider....
and that's what they do... they help escort... when someone isn't paying due respect... if that means cutting the procession or protesting... they interviene...
now if they were yelling that may be a little much... but being that one was his Uncle... and a vietnam vet... I'd be yelling too.
used to be that you'd stop for ANY funeral procession just like you would a fire truck, ambulance, or cop with it's lights and siren on. now... it's just another inconvenience.... sad state our society is in...
Patriot Guard I guess. My mistake.
quackPOT
09-10-2009, 08:30 PM
We had a similar episode locally, a few years back. Some asshole wrote a scathing letter to the local newspaper about some USAF F-16s that were flying low, near one of the malls. The complainer was calling them Tom Cruise wannabes, etc. and being a total prick, just like this bitch.
Well they were taking part in a missing man formation to honor a fallen military member.
The nice thing is, once he was ripped a new one and made aware of what an asshole he is, he wrote a public apology for his behavior.
Mr Lefty
09-10-2009, 08:33 PM
yeah I remember reading that one... though that one I could KIND of understand the mistake... very easy for him to not have known that that formation was for a funeral...
this lady is.... blah... not worth the energy to type
zippychickie636
09-10-2009, 08:42 PM
[QUOTE=goof2;263993]While that would be nice I doubt it happened. Anyone willing to make multiple calls then email the sheriff because they were inconvenienced by any funeral procession, much less a military funeral procession, isn't likely to have much shame. I suspect this bitch is trying to take it higher up the "food chain". I hope she gets no traction.
unfortunatly I bet you're right. She probably won't even realise what a terrible wench she was being
We had a similar episode locally, a few years back. Some asshole wrote a scathing letter to the local newspaper about some USAF F-16s that were flying low, near one of the malls. The complainer was calling them Tom Cruise wannabes, etc. and being a total prick, just like this bitch.
Well they were taking part in a missing man formation to honor a fallen military member.
The nice thing is, once he was ripped a new one and made aware of what an asshole he is, he wrote a public apology for his behavior.
If he didnt know, its a little different. This woman was TOLD it was for a funeral. I lived in cold lake alberta, next to a huge military range, and the pilots do that shit for fun sometimes, and some residents hate it. (I used to love it, though constant air traffic does get sickening)
We had a similar episode locally, a few years back. Some asshole wrote a scathing letter to the local newspaper about some USAF F-16s that were flying low, near one of the malls. The complainer was calling them Tom Cruise wannabes, etc. and being a total prick, just like this bitch.
Well they were taking part in a missing man formation to honor a fallen military member.
The nice thing is, once he was ripped a new one and made aware of what an asshole he is, he wrote a public apology for his behavior.
Yeah, I think the guy was a military vet too. I remember that one. He really didn't know what was going on and thought they were being hot shots.
We actually had two tom cruise wannabes "try" to fly under some of our power lines close to the nuke plant. They weren't successful and one of the F-18s crashed into some farm land pretty close to a farm house. It was two that had been dispatched to Bristol to do a flyover for the NASCAR race. They did get everyone in the transmission group some paid overtime though. :lol:
i hope she gets PID from all the sand in her vagina
101lifts2
09-10-2009, 09:10 PM
She's a moron.
The bikers should have never got involved. Anyone that is not a cop that tries to pull me over will meet something not so friendly.
I don't think she is....if you read HER report, the people at the funeral procession stopped her on a lane that the procession was not even on. She didn't cut anyone off. Also, driving 20mph on a freeway without police escorts all around is not a good thing and add to the fact that they were making U-turns after the procession and almost getting themselves hit by other vehicles.
Sounds like she had a formal complaint to me, esp. to the dicks that yelled at her for apparently no reason instead of calmy asking to stop I mean wtf grow up. The sheiriffs response doesn't make sense to what she even typed out. I wondering if he even read it. His whole reply was "how good he was", but her complaint had nothing to do with her "being inconvienced", but that some in the procession were causing danger on the road.
Particle Man
09-10-2009, 09:14 PM
what the hell - that almost gets me as annoyed as people who protest at soldiers' funerals. :rant:
what the hell - that almost gets me as annoyed as people who protest at soldiers' funerals. :rant:
Those people should have their throats cut open from ear to ear..
101lifts2
09-10-2009, 09:20 PM
what the hell - that almost gets me as annoyed as people who protest at soldiers' funerals. :rant:
Read it again...it wasn't about being inconvienenced.....jumping to conclusions as usual.
Kaneman
09-10-2009, 09:22 PM
Has anyone verified this story? Sounds fake to me.
Has anyone verified this story? Sounds fake to me.
It just happened, the link is provided from the local news source.
Particle Man
09-10-2009, 09:49 PM
Read it again...it wasn't about being inconvienenced.....jumping to conclusions as usual.
Was the guy wrong for yelling at her in her car? Probably. Should the road have been blocked off? Maybe.
But a great deal of the person's complaints were stuff that happened while she was sitting comfortably in her car while a soldier was being laid to rest.
Oh, and "As usual?"
Erm, yeah.
That's why you get responses like "bite me" and "go fuck yourself with a dirty dildo"
But what do I know?
pauldun170
09-10-2009, 10:01 PM
I don't think she is....if you read HER report, the people at the funeral procession stopped her on a lane that the procession was not even on. She didn't cut anyone off. Also, driving 20mph on a freeway without police escorts all around is not a good thing and add to the fact that they were making U-turns after the procession and almost getting themselves hit by other vehicles.
Sounds like she had a formal complaint to me, esp. to the dicks that yelled at her for apparently no reason instead of calmy asking to stop I mean wtf grow up. The sheiriffs response doesn't make sense to what she even typed out. I wondering if he even read it. His whole reply was "how good he was", but her complaint had nothing to do with her "being inconvienced", but that some in the procession were causing danger on the road.
I agree to some extent. In my opinion she sounds like a shrill annoying suburbanite commonly found around here and I would probably find her to be an annoying person, however once you put your own personal feelings aside and look at the text an altercation took place between this women and two men. The funeral procession for the soldier is irrelevant.
Someones funeral does not entitle you to threaten someone.
The Sheriff's response, while understandable was not appropriate and unprofessional.
101lifts2
09-10-2009, 10:02 PM
Was the guy wrong for yelling at her in her car? Probably. Should the road have been blocked off? Maybe.
But a great deal of the person's complaints were stuff that happened while she was sitting comfortably in her car while a soldier was being laid to rest.
Oh, and "As usual?"
....
I meant "as usual" as in general that people respond without reading everything. Not necessarily you. lol
I'm not seeing what she was complaining about while sitting...and she already stated she is sad about the death, that she respects the military and respects his death.
Seems pretty rational to me...
Particle Man
09-10-2009, 10:03 PM
I meant as usual as in general to people's response..not necessarily you. lol
well okay then :lol:
101lifts2
09-10-2009, 10:07 PM
well okay then :lol:
I mean if you were Avatard....I'm just sayin. LOL
The Sheriff's response, while understandable was not appropriate and unprofessional.
His response was very professional, he was courteous, though condesending, and he did exactly what she asked and forwarded her complaint to the DA office for investigation.
Either way she is a stupid c*nt and needs to be slapped. And what do military vehicles look like anyway? Mine is a chevy malibu.
101lifts2
09-10-2009, 10:26 PM
His response was very professional, he was courteous, though condesending, and he did exactly what she asked and forwarded her complaint to the DA office for investigation.
Either way she is a stupid c*nt and needs to be slapped. And what do military vehicles look like anyway? Mine is a chevy malibu.
She has a valid complaint....why the sheriff gave a whole speal about how "good" the guy and his family is had nothing to do with answering the safety and threaten issues she mentioned in her complaint.
From the way she was talking I can pretty much confirm that she is a nutcase
She has a valid complaint....why the sheriff gave a whole speal about how "good" the guy and his family is had nothing to do with answering the safety and threaten issues she mentioned in her complaint.
Why does she have a valid complaint? Because she wrote a letter that is, no doubt, very biased in her favor? She sounds like a 'tard. I take anything an idiot like this says at far less than face value. Im guessing they didnt just start yelling at her, she probably provoked them, and then tucked her fucking tail between her legs. Fuck her.
z06boy
09-11-2009, 09:06 AM
Wow. She's got some major gall. What a disrespectful bitch.
Major kudos to the Sherriff for his response.
Agreed.
shmike
09-11-2009, 09:24 AM
Any of you who are saying that the escorts had no right to pull her over or yell at her must have never been in a funeral procession.
The escorts are basically traffic cops while en route. They have the right to stop, block and direct traffic.
Bitch should have heeded their requests.
I agree to some extent. In my opinion she sounds like a shrill annoying suburbanite commonly found around here and I would probably find her to be an annoying person, however once you put your own personal feelings aside and look at the text an altercation took place between this women and two men. The funeral procession for the soldier is irrelevant.
Someones funeral does not entitle you to threaten someone.
The Sheriff's response, while understandable was not appropriate and unprofessional.
im sure it was nothing in comparison to the threats they recieved when they returned home from 'nam. hw could he be expected to act any differently? how can you possibly blame that guy after that kind of betrayal? you guys are usually all about "product of my environment" cases :rolleyes:
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 10:01 AM
Any of you who are saying that the escorts had no right to pull her over or yell at her must have never been in a funeral procession.
The escorts are basically traffic cops while en route. They have the right to stop, block and direct traffic.
Bitch should have heeded their requests.
Please post the state law..
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 10:02 AM
im sure it was nothing in comparison to the threats they recieved when they returned home from 'nam. hw could he be expected to act any differently? how can you possibly blame that guy after that kind of betrayal? you guys are usually all about "product of my environment" cases :rolleyes:
Fallacious argument
Tmall
09-11-2009, 10:04 AM
Who's arguing?
You can take the chicks side, that just makes two people wrong instead of just her..
anthonyk
09-11-2009, 10:12 AM
I don't think she is....if you read HER report, the people at the funeral procession stopped her on a lane that the procession was not even on. She didn't cut anyone off. Also, driving 20mph on a freeway without police escorts all around is not a good thing and add to the fact that they were making U-turns after the procession and almost getting themselves hit by other vehicles.
Sounds like she had a formal complaint to me, esp. to the dicks that yelled at her for apparently no reason instead of calmy asking to stop I mean wtf grow up. The sheiriffs response doesn't make sense to what she even typed out. I wondering if he even read it. His whole reply was "how good he was", but her complaint had nothing to do with her "being inconvienced", but that some in the procession were causing danger on the road.
Without police escorts? Even in her (deranged, imho) complaint, the lady mentioned that there were police officers escorting and stopping traffic, in addition to the patriot guard guys who (maybe) yelled at her.
shmike
09-11-2009, 10:18 AM
Please post the state law..
Is Google banned at your office? :scratch:
A quick article regarding similar situation:
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/10/31/Brandontimes/Heed_rules_of_the_roa.shtml
shmike
09-11-2009, 10:23 AM
Florida state law:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0316/SEC1974.HTM&Title=-%3E2009-%3ECh0316-%3ESection%201974
Homeslice
09-11-2009, 10:24 AM
im sure it was nothing in comparison to the threats they recieved when they returned home from 'nam. hw could he be expected to act any differently? how can you possibly blame that guy after that kind of betrayal? you guys are usually all about "product of my environment" cases :rolleyes:
So 35 years later, he's going to use those memories as rationale to yell at a lady for driving near a funeral procession?
anthonyk
09-11-2009, 10:28 AM
The relevant MO laws:
http://www.springfieldmo.gov/spd/generalinfo/trafficsafetytips/Laws/funeral.html
Doesn't look like you have to pull over. You just can't interfere.
So, after re-reading, I think she has some legitimate complaints about her perception of the behavior of the escorts (if they really acted that way). Had she limited her tirade to that, fine. But she started off seemingly criticizing that the procession was even happening. That's gonna set people off.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 10:34 AM
Who's arguing?
You can take the chicks side, that just makes two people wrong instead of just her..
I'm not taking anyones side here. I'm just not gonna gloss over the details because of the soldier's funeral.
Sheriff is a public official paid with tax payer dollars.
The women, despite sounding like an idiot had a valid complaint.
I'm pretty immune to the emotional appeal nonsense. I'm more interested in the facts.
Vietnam.....
Soldier....
Relatives ...family....blah blah lost someone ....blah blah blah
Irrelevant...
The only thing professional in the Sheriffs response was last line:
"Per your request, I will forward your complaint to the Prosecuting Attorney's Office for his review. "
As for the women, the only thing worth reading is:
"Men that were escorting the procession proceeded to stop in front of me in the right lane on Gravois. I had to stop in the middle of an intersection. They proceeded to scream and yell at me.....
One of them climbed off his motorcycle and came over to me and stuck his head in my car continuing to scream at me."
Though her delivery is painful to read, she has a valid complaint and she is entitled to to pursue the matter.
Had the body in the box been that of a gang banger would this thread had gone differently? Would we be so quick to dismiss the behavior of the motorcyclist sticking his head in a woman's car to yell at her had he been the uncle of an Accountant who jumped out off a bridge because of the market crash?
I am not impressed with the Sheriffs response.
and you believe, that they, without provocation, got off their bikes, stuck their head in her car and yelled at her?
shmike
09-11-2009, 10:38 AM
Why would an accountant kill himself over the stock market? :scratch:
Accountants are terrible investors in the best of days.
The procession had the right of way. She was supposed to stop.
If she'd been paying attention she would have realized that before she got 1/2 way through the intersection.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 10:38 AM
Is Google banned at your office? :scratch:
A quick article regarding similar situation:
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/10/31/Brandontimes/Heed_rules_of_the_roa.shtml
Why should when I can get you to do it?
I am not impressed with the Sheriffs response.
Your never impressed when someone stands up for what they believe in. Tell us something we dont know?
Personally, I think she should get the butt of a rifle in the face, not a letter/response. If more people got beaten for their stupidity, there would be less stupidity.
shmike
09-11-2009, 10:39 AM
and you believe, that they, without provocation, got off their bikes, stuck their head in her car and yelled at her?
It's obvious that they did.
They were scuzzy.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 10:40 AM
and you believe, that they, without provocation, got off their bikes, stuck their head in her car and yelled at her?
It does not matter what I believe (I would not be surprised as I have seen it done before), it is the sheriffs duty to investigate.
It does not matter what I believe (I would not be surprised as I have seen it done before), it is the sheriffs duty to investigate.
Let me guess, your the guy that calls the cops when the kids take a shortcut through his yard on their way home from school, arent you?
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 10:55 AM
Let me guess, your the guy that calls the cops when the kids take a shortcut through his yard on their way home from school, arent you?
Apoc...
Go try that shit with somebody else.
Don't confuse demanding professionalism from federal and state workers with any nancy boy business you like to rail against.
Apoc...
Go try that shit with somebody else.
Don't confuse demanding professionalism from federal and state workers with any nancy boy business you like to rail against.
I fail to see where he wasnt professional. He professionally told her she was an idiot, in nice terms. He did a great job. Too bad more federal and state workers didnt have his type of professionalism.
goof2
09-11-2009, 12:49 PM
It does not matter what I believe (I would not be surprised as I have seen it done before), it is the sheriffs duty to investigate.
It is the sheriff's duty to investigate any crime that may or may not have been committed, no matter how minor the offense or how likely it is to result in a prosecution? This case has no witnesses other than the complaining person and her primary complaint is that scuzzy bikers yelled at her, something not currently illegal.
Working from her email, which can be assumed to be self serving, the only crimes that she alleges to have occurred are traffic violations. Should the sheriff set up a task force to investigate two bikers who illegally blocked an intersection for a short time?
I don't think she is....if you read HER report, the people at the funeral procession stopped her on a lane that the procession was not even on. She didn't cut anyone off. Also, driving 20mph on a freeway without police escorts all around is not a good thing and add to the fact that they were making U-turns after the procession and almost getting themselves hit by other vehicles.
Sounds like she had a formal complaint to me, esp. to the dicks that yelled at her for apparently no reason instead of calmy asking to stop I mean wtf grow up. The sheiriffs response doesn't make sense to what she even typed out. I wondering if he even read it. His whole reply was "how good he was", but her complaint had nothing to do with her "being inconvienced", but that some in the procession were causing danger on the road.
It doesn't matter if they were not in her lane. If a funeral procession rolls by no matter what lane you are in, you are suppose to pull over and wait til they pass no matter if it is a soldier or not. I agree about the motorcycles, they should have never gotten involved.
Any of you who are saying that the escorts had no right to pull her over or yell at her must have never been in a funeral procession.
The escorts are basically traffic cops while en route. They have the right to stop, block and direct traffic.
Bitch should have heeded their requests.
Did you read your florida law?
There is a whole list of rules that goes along with it escorts. They train you and shit if you read the article you posted and you have to have an equipped vehicle for it. I willing to bet the motorcycle duo weren't trained or had properly equipped vehicles to act as "escorts." So them interfering with traffic was still as unneeded as me trying to pull someone over for speeding on my way home from work.
Tmall
09-11-2009, 01:15 PM
It doesn't matter if they were not in her lane. If a funeral procession rolls by no matter what lane you are in, you are suppose to pull over and wait til they pass no matter if it is a soldier or not. I agree about the motorcycles, they should have never gotten involved.
Did you read your florida law?
There is a whole list of rules that goes along with it escorts. They train you and shit if you read the article you posted and you have to have an equipped vehicle for it. I willing to bet the motorcycle duo weren't trained or had properly equipped vehicles to act as "escorts." So them interfering with traffic was still as unneeded as me trying to pull someone over for speeding on my way home from work.
I think it's more along the lines of her writing the sheriff to complain about being inconvenienced. I get cut off and held up all the time. Tractor trailers taking up a lane, or turning, or backing into a driveway.. I've never written my sheriff to get those scuzzy truckers out of my way.
shmike
09-11-2009, 01:18 PM
Did you read your florida law?
There is a whole list of rules that goes along with it escorts. They train you and shit if you read the article you posted and you have to have an equipped vehicle for it. I willing to bet the motorcycle duo weren't trained or had properly equipped vehicles to act as "escorts." So them interfering with traffic was still as unneeded as me trying to pull someone over for speeding on my way home from work.
Yes, I read it.
I'm willing to bet you are wrong.
A gentleman I know owns a motorcycle escort business. He and just about everyone who works for him is a Vietman Vet. Some might be looked upon as "scuzzy" by snooty bitches like her.
Each of them has been trained by the state and is issued a properly equipped motorcycle.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 01:18 PM
It is the sheriff's duty to investigate any crime that may or may not have been committed, no matter how minor the offense or how likely it is to result in a prosecution? This case has no witnesses other than the complaining person and her primary complaint is that scuzzy bikers yelled at her, something not currently illegal.
Working from her email, which can be assumed to be self serving, the only crimes that she alleges to have occurred are traffic violations. Should the sheriff set up a task force to investigate two bikers who illegally blocked an intersection for a short time?
Lets try an experiment.
Next time you are riding and you come to a stoplight next to a middle aged women...if her window is open stick your head in and start screaming at her.
See what happens.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 01:21 PM
Yes, I read it.
I'm willing to bet you are wrong.
A gentleman I know owns a motorcycle escort business. He and just about everyone who works for him is a Vietman Vet. Some might be looked upon as "scuzzy" by snooty bitches like her.
Each of them has been trained by the state and is issued a properly equipped motorcycle.
I didn't go through the code...but what part of the training allows you to stick your head in someones window and scream at them.
I'd go for certification just to be able to do that legally.
Lets try an experiment.
Next time you are riding and you come to a stoplight next to a middle aged women...if her window is open stick your head in and start screaming at her.
See what happens.
Again, do you have any proof that it actually happened like that?
I could tell you that I was once arrested and searched by cops for no reason at all. That was my story. Doesn't change the fact that when he pulled me over, he probably wondered if he had to call the FD with all the pot smoke rolling out of the car.
Guess what? The judge didnt believe my story of innocence anymore than I believe hers. I think she's a lying sack of shit. But you seem to believe because she wrote it on paper, it must be true?
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 01:26 PM
Again, do you have any proof that it actually happened like that?
I could tell you that I was once arrested and searched by cops for no reason at all. That was my story. Doesn't change the fact that when he pulled me over, he probably wondered if he had to call the FD with all the pot smoke rolling out of the car.
Guess what, the judge didnt believe my story of innocence anymore than I believe hers. I think she's a lying sack of shit. But you seem to believe because she wrote it on paper, it must be true?
Doesn't matter what you think or whatever history you may have.
An incident was reported to law enforcement. It is now their job to see if laws were broken.
Doesn't matter what you think or whatever history you may have.
An incident was reported to law enforcement. It is now their job to see if laws were broken.
And he did so by sending the complaint to its intended person. The nice response is just a bonus.
shmike
09-11-2009, 01:31 PM
I didn't go through the code...but what part of the training allows you to stick your head in someones window and scream at them.
I'd go for certification just to be able to do that legally.
Why ask me to post it if you can't be bothered to read it?
Title XXIII, Chapter 316.1974 deals specifically with funeral processions. Here are a few facts:
-Traffic must halt when directed by a police officer or funeral escort. If traffic fails to halt, escort may reprimand stupid bitches verbally from a distance of not more than three feet. This may include sticking one's head into the vehicle of stupid bitches' vehicle.
-Not everything you read on the internet is as it seems.
-pauldun should cease his taint-like antics in this thread
Kaneman
09-11-2009, 01:33 PM
Why ask me to post it if you can't be bothered to read it?
:lol:
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 01:47 PM
Why ask me to post it if you can't be bothered to read it?
jackass :lol
Yes, I read it.
I'm willing to bet you are wrong.
A gentleman I know owns a motorcycle escort business. He and just about everyone who works for him is a Vietman Vet. Some might be looked upon as "scuzzy" by snooty bitches like her.
Each of them has been trained by the state and is issued a properly equipped motorcycle.
I am willing to bet your wrong since one is definitely a family member.
shmike
09-11-2009, 02:08 PM
I am willing to bet your wrong since one is definitely a family member.
True.
People with families aren't allowed to be funeral escorts.
goof2
09-11-2009, 02:12 PM
Lets try an experiment.
Next time you are riding and you come to a stoplight next to a middle aged women...if her window is open stick your head in and start screaming at her.
See what happens.
Nothing unless a cop, or even another citizen whose information the woman has, is there to witness it. If there are no witnesses it is my word against hers. Even if a cop is there pretty much all they can do is give me a stern talking to and a ticket for impeding traffic. Show me in any state's traffic code where screaming or invading someone's "personal space" is illegal.
You can try an experiment as well. Why don't you call up your local police department (not 911) and ask them what they could do if a scuzzy biker yelled at you. See how far you get.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 03:00 PM
Show me in any state's traffic code where screaming or invading someone's "personal space" is illegal.
Depending on your state
Menacing in the third degree
Disorderly Conduct
Disturbing the Peace
Using abusive language to another (Virginia)
...during an incident that can be classified as Road Rage.
True.
People with families aren't allowed to be funeral escorts.
:lol: you know what I am saying, I doubt he went through all that training and was issued a motorcycle. He was more likely just part of the traffic and got pissed off.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 03:29 PM
:lol: you know what I am saying, I doubt he went through all that training and was issued a motorcycle. He was more likely just part of the traffic and got pissed off.
One of them climbed off his motorcycle and came over to me and stuck his head in my car continuing to scream at me.
The individual left the funeral procession and approached the woman's car. He then stuck his head in her car and proceeded to yell at her.
Had he actually been part of the official escort - depending on the state his motorcycle would have had to been equipped with special lighting to qualify as official - by leaving the procession and his vehicle he is no longer covered by laws\regulations concerning funeral escort unless the law states that an non LEO acting with capacity as funeral Escort has the ability to direct traffic to some extent.
Of course this all academic bs....
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 03:30 PM
Why does she have a valid complaint? Because she wrote a letter that is, no doubt, very biased in her favor? She sounds like a 'tard. I take anything an idiot like this says at far less than face value. Im guessing they didnt just start yelling at her, she probably provoked them, and then tucked her fucking tail between her legs. Fuck her.
Well...there are 3 sides to every story...but I'm sure the guy put his face in the vehicle driver compartment and yelled at her. Like it or not you cannot go around threatening people at will.
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 03:33 PM
Any of you who are saying that the escorts had no right to pull her over or yell at her must have never been in a funeral procession.
The escorts are basically traffic cops while en route. They have the right to stop, block and direct traffic.
Bitch should have heeded their requests.
It sounded like the motorcycles cut in front of her as she entered the intersection, when legally, you can travel in the lane NEXT to a funeral procession. And no...unless they are COPS, they cannot stop traffic at will. They have no training to do so. The procession usually can only continue through red lights or stop signs if the lead vehicle proceeds through the green first.
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 03:36 PM
.... But she started off seemingly criticizing that the procession was even happening. That's gonna set people off.
No she started off complaining about the safety and threathing issues. She only later added in that she "could have been picking up a child at daycare" etc. etc. "
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 03:39 PM
and you believe, that they, without provocation, got off their bikes, stuck their head in her car and yelled at her?
Yes...assholes or fly off the cuff people don't change their spots. Regardless of employment.
I'm not taking anyones side here. I'm just not gonna gloss over the details because of the soldier's funeral.
Sheriff is a public official paid with tax payer dollars.
The women, despite sounding like an idiot had a valid complaint.
I'm pretty immune to the emotional appeal nonsense. I'm more interested in the facts.
Vietnam.....
Soldier....
Relatives ...family....blah blah lost someone ....blah blah blah
Irrelevant...
The only thing professional in the Sheriffs response was last line:
"Per your request, I will forward your complaint to the Prosecuting Attorney's Office for his review. "
As for the women, the only thing worth reading is:
"Men that were escorting the procession proceeded to stop in front of me in the right lane on Gravois. I had to stop in the middle of an intersection. They proceeded to scream and yell at me.....
One of them climbed off his motorcycle and came over to me and stuck his head in my car continuing to scream at me."
Though her delivery is painful to read, she has a valid complaint and she is entitled to to pursue the matter.
Had the body in the box been that of a gang banger would this thread had gone differently? Would we be so quick to dismiss the behavior of the motorcyclist sticking his head in a woman's car to yell at her had he been the uncle of an Accountant who jumped out off a bridge because of the market crash?
I am not impressed with the Sheriffs response.
Agree 100%. The facts are only relevant here. Keep emotions out.
goof2
09-11-2009, 03:39 PM
Depending on your state
Menacing in the third degree
Disorderly Conduct
Disturbing the Peace
Using abusive language to another (Virginia)
...during an incident that can be classified as Road Rage.
What do you expect of the sheriff as far as his "duty to investigate" when the only crime potentially committed is a misdemeanor with no witnesses?
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 03:41 PM
Why would an accountant kill himself over the stock market? :scratch:
Accountants are terrible investors in the best of days.
The procession had the right of way. She was supposed to stop.
If she'd been paying attention she would have realized that before she got 1/2 way through the intersection.
She was driving in the lane next to the procession. MO law allows you to travel in the next lane obeying the traffic laws. She didn't have to stop. What happened is the motorcycle guy wanted to use HER lane so he could block the intersecting traffic from approaching the moving procession after his light turned red. Understand now?
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 03:46 PM
What do you expect of the sheriff as far as his "duty to investigate" when the only crime potentially committed is a misdemeanor with no witnesses?
Its a funeral procession on major roadway where traffic was stopped.
witness...i would think so
Are you saying that misdemeanors are not worthy of investigation?
You should spread the word to departments that have units or detectives specializing in misdemeanor investigation.
Agree 100%. The facts are only relevant here. Keep emotions out.
Bill, seriously, have you gone stupid?
THERE ARE NO FACTS LITTLE BUDDY!
None. Not a thread of evidence. Just a letter she wrote. Thats far from proof.
goof2
09-11-2009, 03:56 PM
Its a funeral procession on major roadway where traffic was stopped.
witness...i would think so
Are you saying that misdemeanors are not worthy of investigation?
You should spread the word to departments that have units or detectives specializing in misdemeanor investigation.
I would think that there are witnesses. It appears none of them stepped forward.
I think some misdemeanors are not worthy of investigation, namely misdemeanor drug possession, and I don't use drugs. I would spread the word to departments but they are notoriously bad listeners and I don't want to get tased.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 03:58 PM
Bill, seriously, have you gone stupid?
THERE ARE NO FACTS LITTLE BUDDY!
None. Not a thread of evidence. Just a letter she wrote. Thats far from proof.
Facts can be found from the evidence. evidence can be gathered from witnesses.
There were likely witnesses being that its a funeral procession and traffic was stopped.
It may or may not jive with the woman's testimony but there is at least the opportunity to see if a crime was actually committed.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 04:00 PM
I would think that there are witnesses. It appears none of them stepped forward.
I think some misdemeanors are not worthy of investigation, namely misdemeanor drug possession, and I don't use drugs. I would spread the word to departments but they are notoriously bad listeners and I don't want to get tased.
:lol:
My take is that if the sheriff does not want to fulfill his duty in this instance the we should revisit his compensation.
shmike
09-11-2009, 04:03 PM
I'm expecting to see this on an episode of Law & Order very shortly.
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 04:10 PM
It doesn't matter if they were not in her lane. If a funeral procession rolls by no matter what lane you are in, you are suppose to pull over and wait til they pass no matter if it is a soldier or not. I agree about the motorcycles, they should have never gotten involved..
Not according to MO law. If there is another lane alongside the procession, traffic can flow in that lane, esp. on the freeway.
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 04:13 PM
why ask me to post it if you can't be bothered to read it?
lololol
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 04:17 PM
I'm expecting to see this on an episode of Law & Order very shortly.
:lol
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 04:17 PM
Bill, seriously, have you gone stupid?
THERE ARE NO FACTS LITTLE BUDDY!
None. Not a thread of evidence. Just a letter she wrote. Thats far from proof.
I understand..I mean facts as in stated facts, not proven ones.
Its 80F outside today is a fact...it may a correct or incorrect fact.
It's hot out today isn't a fact, but a subjective statement.
goof2
09-11-2009, 04:19 PM
:lol:
My take is that if the sheriff does not want to fulfill his duty in this instance the we should revisit his compensation.
The sheriffs in Missouri are elected. When Sheriff Boyer is up for reelection his handling of this incident may be a factor. I suspect Boyer is not too concerned.
pauldun170
09-11-2009, 04:20 PM
The sheriffs in Missouri are elected. When Sheriff Boyer is up for reelection his handling of this incident may be a factor. I suspect Boyer is not too concerned.
I wouldn't worry either.
I wouldn't worry either.
He shouldnt. The public is on his side.
Tmall
09-11-2009, 05:01 PM
He could have spit on it to sign it, and attached a picture of his dick. I would still agree with the sheriff.
MissHell
09-11-2009, 05:11 PM
THERE ARE NO FACTS LITTLE BUDDY!
None. Not a thread of evidence. Just a letter she wrote. Thats far from proof.
Truth.
Maybe the biker did approach her car and kindly asked her to respectfully wait until the procession passed and she is exaggerating the situation cause he was a "scary biker". :idk:
tommymac
09-11-2009, 05:23 PM
No she started off complaining about the safety and threathing issues. She only later added in that she "could have been picking up a child at daycare" etc. etc. "
Thats the convienient insert child excuse to garner sympathy. Whenever its something that can affect the children everything must stop.
If the cops are goin gto investigate stuff like that it must be a slow dept to take time away from solving real crimes :lol:
Tom
Homeslice
09-11-2009, 05:43 PM
He could have spit on it to sign it, and attached a picture of his dick. I would still agree with the sheriff.
I may agree with him, but that doesn't mean I think it's OK for him to ignore all of the woman's claims.
I pay his salary, therefore I expect him to do what he's supposed to do.....which is enforcing the law and investigating citizen's concerns. I don't pay him to spend an hour writing a cute letter.
goof2
09-11-2009, 06:00 PM
I may agree with him, but that doesn't mean I think it's OK for him to ignore all of the woman's claims.
I pay his salary, therefore I expect him to do what he's supposed to do.....which is enforcing the law and investigating citizen's concerns. I don't pay him to spend an hour writing a cute letter.
You don't pay him anyway, the residents of Jefferson County Missouri do. They also elected him to do the job. If those residents don't like the job he is doing I would imagine they could try to have him impeached. If that doesn't work the residents can choose to vote for someone else in the next election. As I said in my earlier post, I suspect Boyer is not too concerned.
Tmall
09-11-2009, 06:18 PM
The thing is, he never ignored her claims. He forwarded her complaint to the proper people. He says so in his letter. He just so happened to tactfully tell her to fuck off at the same time.
Homeslice
09-11-2009, 06:38 PM
You don't pay him anyway, the residents of Jefferson County Missouri do. They also elected him to do the job. If those residents don't like the job he is doing I would imagine they could try to have him impeached. If that doesn't work the residents can choose to vote for someone else in the next election. As I said in my earlier post, I suspect Boyer is not too concerned.
Whether or not he is concerned and whether or not he's doing a good job are two different topics.
I don't base someone's job performance on what "the majority" thinks. The "majority" are sheep, IMO, and are easily impressed by patriotic letters like his. In fact I suspect many people are afraid to critique it for fear of being called unpatriotic.
As I said before, this woman is a stupid old hag, but at the same time, I'm not impressed by the sheriff's letter. Whoop-de do, he talked alot of game about patriotism and the military's sacrifices -- anyone could have done that. It was well-written, but I'm not going to pat him on the back for it. If he sits around writing a lot of those, people in his jurisdiction should start questioning his use of time, IMO.
I'm not going to pat him on the back for it.
That is because you are a nazi, you commie bastard
goof2
09-11-2009, 07:14 PM
Whether or not he is concerned and whether or not he's doing a good job are two different topics.
I don't base someone's job performance on what "the majority" thinks. The "majority" are sheep, IMO, and are easily impressed by patriotic letters like his. In fact I suspect many people are afraid to critique it for fear of being called unpatriotic.
As I said before, this woman is a stupid old hag, but at the same time, I'm not impressed by the sheriff's letter. Whoop-de do, he talked alot of game about patriotism and the military's sacrifices -- anyone could have done that. It was well-written, but I'm not going to pat him on the back for it. If he sits around writing a lot of those, people in his jurisdiction should start questioning his use of time, IMO.
Ultimately the basis for an elected official's job performance is what "the majority" of those who vote think as long as the official doesn't do anything to place it outside their purview (anything illegal, etc.). If the majority of voters in his county agree with you Boyer better get his resume ready. If they disagree with you he stays. You can't get much more of a direct measure of perceived job performance than that.
Homeslice
09-11-2009, 07:59 PM
Ultimately the basis for an elected official's job performance is what "the majority" of those who vote think as long as the official doesn't do anything to place it outside their purview (anything illegal, etc.). If the majority of voters in his county agree with you Boyer better get his resume ready. If they disagree with you he stays. You can't get much more of a direct measure of perceived job performance than that.
Or just "I like his personality"
Again, most voters = sheep and don't make any attempt to judge job performance
Tmall
09-11-2009, 08:06 PM
Everybody is a sheep but you?
You sound like a unique snowflake. You're not exactly the same as any of the rest. But don't kid yourself, you're still a snowflake.
Smittie61984
09-11-2009, 09:35 PM
I hate funeral processions more than anyone. Why should my life stop because someone else's life has stopped? And I don't give a shit about their family or their feelings. But I do make an exception for a soldier.
I don't have a problem with the police stopping cars at red lights to let the cars flow through. I just don't feel I should have to stop on a two lane road if I'm headed in the other direction or if on a 4 lane road to be prohibited from passing the funeral. People have died and been seriously injured because of funeral processions
goof2
09-11-2009, 10:43 PM
Or just "I like his personality"
Again, most voters = sheep and don't make any attempt to judge job performance
Or their mix of requirements for satisfactory job performance may be different than yours. It doesn't really matter since the voters in that county are the one tasked with the decision and determining what criteria will be used.
the chi
09-11-2009, 11:15 PM
Everybody is a sheep but you?
You sound like a unique snowflake. You're not exactly the same as any of the rest. But don't kid yourself, you're still a snowflake.
snort
Priceless, I love that...
While she may have had a valid complaint, she should have stated :" I was respecting the funeral possession and was harassed and verbally assaulted by bikers in a funeral procession".
Based on how she stated her case, Im going with the sheriff.
101lifts2
09-11-2009, 11:15 PM
Discussing this thread any futher is quite frutle without a video. While I really can't stand people who complain about tiddly little shit, we really don't know wtf went down.
Mr Lefty
09-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Discussing this thread any futher is quite frutle without a video. While I really can't stand people who complain about tiddly little shit, we really don't know wtf went down.
very true...
I agree with what the Sheriff SAID... but to be honest... he didn't do his job.
he and many of us here are ASSUMING that much of this didn't happen ie the guys sticking their head in the window and screaming at her.
the sheriff's job is to investigate and find out if it did.
as for her complaint wanting the people in charge of the funeral procession ticketed/fined... his explanation to me... was just.
Tmall
09-12-2009, 11:26 AM
very true...
I agree with what the Sheriff SAID... but to be honest... he didn't do his job.
he and many of us here are ASSUMING that much of this didn't happen ie the guys sticking their head in the window and screaming at her.
the sheriff's job is to investigate and find out if it did.
as for her complaint wanting the people in charge of the funeral procession ticketed/fined... his explanation to me... was just.
From the Sheriff, "Per your request, I will forward your complaint to the Prosecuting Attorney's Office for his review. It is my personal opinion that your complaint is self-serving and without merit."
He did his job.
Mr Lefty
09-12-2009, 11:30 AM
no he passed the buck.
I doubt every complaint goes directly to the prosecuting attorney's office...
they're supposed to be handled at the lowest possible level.. he didn't even attempt to look into it (from the sounds of it... no way to know for sure)
:2cents:
Tmall
09-12-2009, 12:06 PM
He's the sheriff. He has people who do that stuff for him.
You're in the military, you should know how the chain of command works.
If somebody walks up to your sergeant and asks him to clean up the lawn in front of his office, he doesn't run out with a rake. He gets privates or corporals to do it.
Mr Lefty
09-12-2009, 12:27 PM
He's the sheriff. He has people who do that stuff for him.
You're in the military, you should know how the chain of command works.
If somebody walks up to your sergeant and asks him to clean up the lawn in front of his office, he doesn't run out with a rake. He gets privates or corporals to do it.
hence starting at the lowest level... the prosecuting attorney is not a lower level than the sheriff when it comes to complaints in that office.
that'd be like my flight cheif sending a complaint about our office to the base legal office for investigation...
or in your example it'd be like him calling base CE to go take care of the lawn rather than have the Airmen do it (I'm Air Force not Army ;))
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