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RACER X
10-15-2009, 05:07 PM
California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs

Reporting from Sacramento - The influential lobby group Consumer Electronics Assn. is fighting what appears to be a losing battle to dissuade California regulators from passing the nation's first ban on energy-hungry big-screen televisions.

On Tuesday, executives and consultants for the Arlington, Va., trade group asked members of the California Energy Commission to instead let consumers use their wallets to decide whether they want to buy the most energy-saving new models of liquid-crystal display and plasma high-definition TVs.

"Voluntary efforts are succeeding without regulations," said Doug Johnson, the association's senior director for technology policy. Too much government interference could hamstring industry innovation and prove expensive to manufacturers and consumers, he warned.

But those pleas didn't appear to elicit much support from commissioners at a public hearing on the proposed rules that would set maximum energy-consumption standards for televisions to be phased in over two years beginning in January 2011. A vote could come as early as Nov. 4.

The association's views weren't shared by everyone in the TV business. Representatives of some TV makers, including top-seller Vizio Inc. of Irvine, said they would have little trouble complying with tighter state standards without substantially increasing prices.

"We're comfortable with our ability to meet the proposed levels and implementation dates," said Kenneth R. Lowe, Vizio's co-founder and vice president.

Last month, the commission formally unveiled its proposal to require manufacturers to limit television energy consumption in a way that has been done with refrigerators, air conditioners and dozens of other products since the 1970s.

"We would not propose TV efficiency standards if we thought there was any evidence in the record that they will hurt the economy," said Commissioner Julia Levin, who has been in charge of the two-year rule-making procedure. "This will actually save consumers money and help the California economy grow and create new clean, sustainable jobs."

Tightening efficiency ratings by using new technology and materials should result in "zero increase in cost to consumers," said Harinder Singh, an Energy Commission staffer on the TV regulation project.

California's estimated 35 million TVs and related electronic devices account for about 10% of all household electricity consumption, the Energy Commission staff reported. But manufacturers quickly are coming up with new technologies that are making even 50-inch-screen models much more economical to operate.

New features, such as light-emitting diodes that consume tiny amounts of power, special reflective films and sensors that automatically adjust TV brightness to a room's viewing conditions, are driving down electricity consumption, experts said.

The payoff could be big for TV owners, said Ken Rider, a commission staff engineer. Average first-year savings from reduced electricity use would be an estimated $30 per set and $912 million statewide, he said.

If all TVs met state standards, Rider added, California could avoid the $600-million cost of building a natural-gas-fired power plant. Switching to more-efficient TVs could have an estimated net benefit to the state of $8.1 billion, the commission staff reported.

Consumer Electronics Assn. officials disputed that figure, arguing that it was based on out-of-date numbers that fail to account for recent industry innovations. "With voluntary compliance, manufacturers can meet the targets over time, managing the cost impact, yet not in any way impeding innovation," said Seth Greenstein, an association consultant.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-bigtvs14-2009oct14,0,4908205.story

Switch
10-15-2009, 05:16 PM
hippy fags.

TYEster
10-15-2009, 05:44 PM
Dumb. It'll be a cold day in hell before they come and take my big screen.

It says "Energy star efficient". That's enough. Besides, don't they have windmills powering some electricity out there? Wtf gives? Don't tell me someone or something "ruined" the wind...

Dave
10-15-2009, 06:07 PM
how the fuck does this create green sustainable jobs? they gonna hire little tv nazis to peep in your windows and write down how many sets you have? you know what? for once im gonna agree with barry, lets get rid of all our nukes... in california

Homeslice
10-15-2009, 06:22 PM
uhh.....

The association's views weren't shared by everyone in the TV business. Representatives of some TV makers, including top-seller Vizio Inc. of Irvine, said they would have little trouble complying with tighter state standards without substantially increasing prices.

goof2
10-15-2009, 06:27 PM
how the fuck does this create green sustainable jobs? they gonna hire little tv nazis to peep in your windows and write down how many sets you have? you know what? for once im gonna agree with barry, lets get rid of all our nukes... in california

It doesn't create them but the phrases "green jobs" and "green economy" are thrown at anything like this in order to spin it as having an economic benefit. I would have thought that building the natural-gas fired power plant (which they will almost certainly need anyway) would have created some jobs though.

The good news is it will not get rid of any manufacturing jobs in the TV industry, at least not in America. I don't think a TV has been built here in at least a couple of decades.

goof2
10-15-2009, 06:35 PM
uhh.....

Vizio focuses primarily on smaller LCDs which can be lit with LEDs. I'm not surprised they will not have an issue. Companies making plasmas, front projectors, rear projection DLPs, and larger LCDs (devices that currently have difficulty using LEDs for their light source) will probably have more trouble meeting the standard.

Dave
10-15-2009, 06:38 PM
I don't think a TV has been built here in at least a couple of decades.

that was part of my point :lol:

Rangerscott
10-15-2009, 09:59 PM
Sink sink sink sink.

RACER X
10-16-2009, 08:34 AM
uhh.....

ii bet they sell a chit load compared to alot of marques, cheap sells.

Trip
10-16-2009, 08:58 AM
The market is taking care of itself, this is stupid. LEDs and LCDs use considerable less power compared to big TVs of the past. This is just stupid useless politics.

z06boy
10-16-2009, 09:11 AM
The market is taking care of itself, this is stupid. LEDs and LCDs use considerable less power compared to big TVs of the past. This is just stupid useless politics.

This sounds good so I'll go with this one. :lol:

I love my 46" LCD but I guess it's not really considered big. I'm sure it uses quite a bit less energy than my old 55" rear projection.

KSGregman
10-16-2009, 11:07 AM
learn to swim!!!!!

z06boy
10-16-2009, 11:08 AM
I have a boat. :lol

Amorok
10-16-2009, 02:27 PM
See you down in Arizona Bay.

TYEster
10-16-2009, 07:22 PM
I sure could use a vacation...

Smittie61984
10-17-2009, 10:03 AM
Who wants to buy a big rig with me and start running big screen TVs to California? We'll also need a driver in a fast car to distract Smokey. Westbound and Down FTW!!!

Sixxxxer
10-17-2009, 09:24 PM
Fucking California...You may have decent weather year round...but your state is fucking RETARDED.

101lifts2
10-17-2009, 09:39 PM
Fucking California...You may have decent weather year round...but your state is fucking RETARDED.

I'm ashamed to be associated with this state. Being Libertarian, I tell every liberal fuck nut how single handedly they have economically ruined this state.

I swear if the stupid laws weren't just to put money in politicians or politicians constituents pockets, I would say they shit outta their mouths and sit on their brains.

Particle Man
10-21-2009, 10:06 AM
why am I not surprised

Kaneman
10-21-2009, 10:08 AM
I'm ashamed to be associated with this state. Being Libertarian, I tell every liberal fuck nut how single handedly they have economically ruined this state.

I swear if the stupid laws weren't just to put money in politicians or politicians constituents pockets, I would say they shit outta their mouths and sit on their brains.

Please dude. Easy money and fraud are what ruined the economy of California. Acai Berry schemes, real estate, financial fraud, crooked politicians. Plenty of those people voted Republican you can bet.

What, you didn't really think people making $2,000,000 a year selling houses was going to last did you?