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the chi
11-04-2009, 02:45 PM
I need some input from some Dane Owners...
I am looking for a large breed, something to be a family dog yet watchful and protective of the house. (And wont eat the damn cat or my precious Abigail.)
I want something that doesnt shed like a lab or a long breed dog...
Done some research but I want input from some actual people.
I think if I wanted something with that description I'd go for a Weimeraner.
But I <3 my newfs (RIP)
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x3/ignatius_reilly/IMG_0032.jpg
HurricaneHeather
11-04-2009, 03:05 PM
Do Weimeraners bark a lot normally? My next door neighbor has two and they literally bark all day long.
I think it's because they are cooped up in a small apartment with nothing to do, but wasn't sure if that was a breed thing or not.
Sorry to threadjack.
skiergirl
11-04-2009, 03:08 PM
They are enormous dogs...like small horse size, so make sure you have the room for him. They are very prone to stomach issues, they drool, they DO shed quite a bit really...and unfortunately their average life span is only about 9 years.
however, they are extremely gentle, loving and affectionate dogs. I don't think make very good guard dogs other than the fact that they are so large people are afraid of them. I've never know one to be aggressive anyway but they say they can be.
Due to size they eat quite a bit of food...:)
I always loved them too but their size has deterred me....I had a friend with one and did much research before deciding they weren't the right fit for me.
RACER X
11-04-2009, 03:12 PM
neighbors got a rescue female one.
it's HUGE and small for that type of dog, and stands taller then april.
sweet sweet dog. makes HUGE turds.
Ninjakel
11-04-2009, 03:22 PM
PM Racerboy on here, he used to show them.
CrazyKell
11-04-2009, 03:32 PM
I think if I wanted something with that description I'd go for a Weimeraner.
You beat me to it.
And Heather, I don't think Weimeraner's bark any more than other dogs do. (I almost typed "dog doo" there. :lmao :lol:). Dogs bark because they haven't been trained not to. :idk:
HurricaneHeather
11-04-2009, 03:38 PM
You beat me to it.
And Heather, I don't think Weimeraner's bark any more than other dogs do. (I almost typed "dog doo" there. :lmao :lol:). Dogs bark because they haven't been trained not to. :idk:
Well, I didn't know if certain breeds barked more than others.
These poor dogs are really just sad. That bitch is never home and she doesn't take them for walks, she just takes them outside to go to the bathroom. They never get any excercise and she really needs to give them away. :(
My husband was going to offer to walk them for her everyday before he started working overtime so much.
Phenix_Rider
11-04-2009, 03:38 PM
It'll outweigh you, out-eat you, and stand taller at the shoulder :lol
Rider
11-04-2009, 03:39 PM
I need some input from some Dane Owners...
I am looking for a large breed, something to be a family dog yet watchful and protective of the house. (And wont eat the damn cat or my precious Abigail.)
I want something that doesnt shed like a lab or a long breed dog...
Done some research but I want input from some actual people.
Rottweiler. They are very sweet dogs and from what I've seen my buddy's dogs don't shed much. Very intimidating looking but they are gentle as can be but let out a healthy bark or growl if they hear a strange noise.
dReWpY
11-04-2009, 03:54 PM
boxer, but thats a med size dog
shmike
11-04-2009, 03:54 PM
Rottweiler. They are very sweet dogs and from what I've seen my buddy's dogs don't shed much. Very intimidating looking but they are gentle as can be but let out a healthy bark or growl if they hear a strange noise.
Your buddy is a clean freak or you haven't been around much.
Rotties are great dogs but they shed like crazy. Not as much as a Lab but they aren't much better either.
Rider
11-04-2009, 03:55 PM
Your buddy is a clean freak or you haven't been around much.
Rotties are great dogs but they shed like crazy. Not as much as a Lab but they aren't much better either.
He is a neat freak... worst I've ever seen.
marko138
11-04-2009, 03:56 PM
All I know is I have yellow hair all over the damn place.
CrazyKell
11-04-2009, 04:02 PM
Oooh boxer is another good one but they shed and fart. A lot!
Rider
11-04-2009, 04:04 PM
Oooh boxer is another good one but they shed and fart. A lot!
Mine doesn't shed much at all...
CrazyKell
11-04-2009, 04:11 PM
Mine doesn't shed much at all...
With boxers the equation is like this:
shed + fart = boxer
You've just got one that's like this:
shed + fart = boxer :lol:
Rider
11-04-2009, 04:13 PM
With boxers the equation is like this:
shed + fart = boxer
You've just got one that's like this:
shed + fart = boxer :lol:
He does too but at least they don't smell. You can certainly hear them though. :tremble:
the chi
11-04-2009, 04:14 PM
Thanks guys.
I hate weims. They are one of my least favorite breeds. Too hyper and require WAY too much training (typically) to be a good match for me.
Rotts are considered a vicious breed by many landlords, so they are out. Boxers sometimes are as well but they just arent my style.
I dont want something aggressive, just something that would be a deterrent in the event of a home intruder or someone harassing me when I am out walking. My dog is something less of a deterrent. The cat might eat someone tho, but I dont see myself walking the lil monster.
marko138
11-04-2009, 04:15 PM
He does too but at least they don't smell. You can certainly hear them though. :tremble:
Mine blasts the silent but deadly type.
Rider
11-04-2009, 04:18 PM
Mine blasts the silent but deadly type.
My lab was the same way, the poor girl would peel paint from the wall.
the chi
11-04-2009, 04:18 PM
Both your dogs are like 10 times the size of mine and she can clear a room. Its even funnier when she spooks herself. :lol:
marko138
11-04-2009, 04:18 PM
My lab was the same way, the poor girl would peel paint from the wall.
I'm familiar with that smell. :lol
dReWpY
11-04-2009, 04:21 PM
brock can wake me up at night if i give him a treat before bed, no one warned me of the farts!!
he is a great dog though
Particle Man
11-04-2009, 04:58 PM
they're great. redflip
Besides being large, I have never considered a dane intimidating. Every one I have known basically was the most lovable dog ever and terrible at protecting anything because they scare easily. My uncle's neighbor had the biggest chicken dane I ever knew. My aunts little shih tzus use to chase it. It was hilarious.
ericr
11-04-2009, 05:19 PM
We had 4 great danes when I was growing up Rae, they are the most awesome dog evar!!! :D
There are some downsides to them though...
They'll eat you out of house and home, our 165lb male ate 50lbs of dry food every week-week and a half plus all the table scraps and if there weren't enough scraps mom would boil a chicken to add to the diet.
Once they're about 4 months old, until they're well trained, they'll take you for a walk ;)
They have a short life span, common inlarge breeds. 10 yrs or so is normal.
Upsides are...
They are great pets, even in the house and good with kids.
They are VERY protective of their family and you will never have to worry about someone hurting you if it's around!
And they're just awesome!!! :D I love Great Danes, I wish I could afford one myself. We had the fawn colored ones, what's your color choice if you get one?
Tsunami
11-04-2009, 05:23 PM
What about Dobies as a guard dog? Dane's are cool, but they are massive!
Gas Man
11-04-2009, 05:42 PM
Get a brinks!
My breeder has a new litter of pups.
Boys
http://www.motorcitycanecorso.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_pups_boys_2_weeks_old.jpg
Girls
http://www.motorcitycanecorso.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/normal_GIRLS%2C_Big_Bob%2C_Black%2C_BLUE%2C_Brow%2 C_Brow%2C_Brow.jpg
We considered a Great Dane but honestly they just dont live long enough.
Cane Corso is a great version of a mastiff. Live 10-12yrs. The dry mouth and atheletic mastiff. He was the cutest of cute of puppy. You all saw that. Females are about 95-115 lbs. Males from 130-160lbs.
My breeder also is very use to shipping dogs. I could even go pick one out for you if need be. Feel free to call me for any reason.
julie j
11-04-2009, 05:43 PM
He does too but at least they don't smell. You can certainly hear them though. :tremble:
My Akita will stretch and let out the loudest fart. Then he looks at you like, "Was that me?" I love him to death but he shreds a ton and does not appreciate the kitties.
What about a South African Boerboel? I had never heard of one before my girlfriend got one but he is one of the best dogs I have ever met.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=african+boerboel&aq=1&oq=african+bo&aqi=g10
No Worries
11-04-2009, 06:02 PM
An Akita will protect you like an Abrams Tank, but they are aggressive. I don't know how mine determines who comes close to me. Some people he growls at, and others he ignores. Even though he's neutered, I can't take him to the dog park with other dogs.
marko138
11-04-2009, 06:20 PM
Here's a question: Why the FUCK do dogs only live 10 or 12 years? :wtf: Seriously. Why?
Particle Man
11-04-2009, 07:36 PM
Here's a question: Why the FUCK do dogs only live 10 or 12 years? :wtf: Seriously. Why?
because the world is a cruel, cruel place.
It really sucks, that's for sure.
I miss my shepherd something fierce (though he lived to 13-14)
Our newfs scared the living crap out of people despite being the most gentile and docile creatures on the planet. And they weren't all hyper and bark-ey. But damn did they shed. And drool. Oh my God, the drool.
Mr Lefty
11-04-2009, 08:19 PM
Here's a question: Why the FUCK do dogs only live 10 or 12 years? :wtf: Seriously. Why?
with Great Danes I think it's they have a genetic predisposition for a weak heart.
Adeptus_Minor
11-04-2009, 08:34 PM
Here's a question: Why the FUCK do dogs only live 10 or 12 years? :wtf: Seriously. Why?
They said I was mad when I suggested crossing a dog with a Galapagos tortoise... MAD I TELL YOU!!
But they'll see... oh yes...
Gas Man
11-04-2009, 09:06 PM
I hear ya Marko. When Brinks dies I'm sure I will fall apart.
the chi
11-04-2009, 09:29 PM
Thanks GM. First I gotta convince the hubby. He REALLY wants a black lab, but I want something a little different. That and I honestly dont care for labs. They are great dogs, but hyper, loud, destructive, etc etc...granted any puppy I will face the same thing but well, you know...
I want something that will be loveable but will protect me if needed when he's away. Id love a Brinks type dog as long as its not a drooler...hows the shedding??
the chi
11-04-2009, 09:36 PM
Oooooooh, the Boerboel looks pretty damn awesome too!!
LittleTaz
11-04-2009, 09:41 PM
Bouvier des Flandres is another dog you might consider, Rae. They're long haired, but don't shed much at all. Here's a page of info about them
Bouvier (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/bouvierdesflandres.htm)
marko138
11-04-2009, 09:42 PM
Still 14 years isn't that long of a life. They should live longer.
Still 14 years isn't that long of a life. They should live longer.
Would you feel better if they included a warranty?
the chi
11-04-2009, 09:45 PM
Very interesting, thanks!! I think the fur would be more upkeep than I prefer tho I like the little shedding part!
the chi
11-04-2009, 09:47 PM
Think of them like the human giants, like Andre for example. With a body that massive compared to a standard size person or dog, that body takes a lot of wear and tear just living compared to a smaller person or animal.
Small dogs can live almost 20 years, and some labs have been known to reach 15-18 with good care...
marko138
11-04-2009, 09:48 PM
Would you feel better if they included a warranty?
What the fuck do you think?
He REALLY wants a black lab
You have your baby, let him get what he really wants. :nee:
LittleTaz
11-04-2009, 09:54 PM
Most of the Bouvier's I've been around have been clipped close (think giant schnauzer).
the chi
11-04-2009, 10:13 PM
You have your baby, let him get what he really wants. :nee:
You suck. Its not even for him...besides, he gets to keep that effin cat. There have been so few animals I truly didnt care for, and my own household cat is one of them. Friggin satans spawn.
Most of the Bouvier's I've been around have been clipped close (think giant schnauzer).
Hrrmm, that would change it a bit...much more attractive look too.
ericr
11-04-2009, 11:01 PM
Rae, one more upside to a Great Dane that I forgot...when your bike is down for service you can ride your dog!! :D
We had a female that was about 120lbs that lived for 12-13yrs. Our big male that was 165lbs only lived 10-11 I think. The female we had when I was in grade school to high school...one day my dad figured out he could tell her to go find one of us kids by name, we would hide and she would hunt through the house until she found the one he said to and she'd sit down where we were hiding. That was with my sister and 2 brothers.
Gas Man
11-05-2009, 12:36 AM
Thanks GM. First I gotta convince the hubby. He REALLY wants a black lab, but I want something a little different. That and I honestly dont care for labs. They are great dogs, but hyper, loud, destructive, etc etc...granted any puppy I will face the same thing but well, you know...
I want something that will be loveable but will protect me if needed when he's away. Id love a Brinks type dog as long as its not a drooler...hows the shedding??
Well these being mastiffs are junk yard dogs. Brinks has significantly calmed down. But he takes his protection duties seriously. Most people are straight up intimidated by him. Its the size coupled with their big massive head. He's not hyper or loud. Well his bark can wake the dead but that's cause he's got a 38" chest. His bark is deep and sounds great.
Being a dry mouth he really doesn't drool. He does have all those cuddly joules (big cheeks) so after he drinks all that excess water falls out. But its not drool... just some water. But drool, no.
Shedding... not really. He's not a poodle but he has really short and tight hair.
I have had labs, goldens, greyhound, husky/shepard mix, my mothers shitzu, and Brinks the cane corso. Hands down. Nothing beats the Cane Corso. People don't believe me till they go with me. Going to Pet Smart is an event. From the min he steps out the back of the suv and every isle we go by and every person that sees him. They want to know all about him, pet him, how old is he, how much he weights, etc. He's different and that's what we wanted.
We considered others like dobermans, rots, and great danes. Even as second dogs too.
Whenever you want to know more about any dog. Check out dog breed info website..
Here's what they have on Cane Corso
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/canecorsoitaliano.htm
The temperment is almost SPOT ON. And it should be noted as said in that link.
Any of these dogs that you are looking at like mastiffs, dobermans, rots. These are powerfull dominating dogs. They are not labs. You establish that you are boss very early. Train early. Keep up on training. If you don't want the dog to eat everybody. socialize socialize socialize Brinks was out in stores as a 8 week pup. He's very well socialized. We have spent lots of hours working with him. Most people are very surprised how well he behaves for me. He knows I am boss.
He has become great with kids. At first we were leary. But a few afternoons with the neighbors kids (8-10yrs old) and he was doing better. Now he's great with kids. He understands....
This pic... no crap taken earlier today at my house. It wasn't stage, I was cooking dinner and looked back and saw this. This is 130# Brinks with my nearly 2 yr old niece sitting on him and patting him all over. He's a big teddy bear.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Pets/Brinks/SU1HMDAxOTQuanBn.jpg
dReWpY
11-05-2009, 01:26 AM
my vote is either a mutt
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/mobilesnakepit/1105090022.jpg
or a boxer
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll316/mobilesnakepit/1105090022a.jpg
Phenix_Rider
11-05-2009, 07:05 AM
Still 14 years isn't that long of a life. They should live longer.
My first dog lived 17 years. She was an australian shepherd mix. Maybe 40lbs.
Would you feel better if they included a warranty?
A "re-pet" perhaps? :lol:
Tmall
11-05-2009, 07:23 AM
I vote boxer as well.
They're the clown prince of dogs.
Loyal, funny, smart, scary looking, and very good with kids.
cuttle
11-05-2009, 09:27 AM
If it has to be a pure bread I'd go for a Swissy: http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/greaterswissmountain.htm
otherwise, I'd say go to a shelter and rescue!
the chi
11-05-2009, 10:04 AM
Lots of great info, again thanks everyone. I would prefer to find a shelter dog, but it all depends. I have to have a pup that I have a good idea the size it will eventually be. And it has to be a pup so I can socialize it with my other pets and people.
GM I have no issues being Alpha, when I had my own pack (6 total) there was no question who was the dominant pack leader so I am not worried about that. When I train an animal, it stays trained. When I snap my fingers, they respond. Thats part of the issue I have with labs is they arent as responsive as I expect.
Tmall
11-05-2009, 10:34 AM
I know what you mean. I snap my finger and Rosco sits. I point, and he goes to where I point and sits.
The puppy refuses to listen, its driving me nuts. Then I remember how much time I spent training Rosco, and I have hope for puppy.
the chi
11-05-2009, 10:46 AM
I know what you mean. I snap my finger and Rosco sits. I point, and he goes to where I point and sits.
The puppy refuses to listen, its driving me nuts. Then I remember how much time I spent training Rosco, and I have hope for puppy.
:lol: Exactly. I had 6 dogs, ranging from all different sizes and after they passed the puppy stage, all it took was a look and a point to make the whole room sit. Thats what I like to see. This whole dog walking the person is ridiculous. Thats why people have animal issues.
Im removing myself from the soap box before I get started. Thanks everyone...now to convince the hubby...
Kaneman
11-05-2009, 10:50 AM
GM I have no issues being Alpha, when I had my own pack (6 total) there was no question who was the dominant pack leader so I am not worried about that. When I train an animal, it stays trained. When I snap my fingers, they respond. Thats part of the issue I have with labs is they arent as responsive as I expect.
Wait, aren't you a chic?
z06boy
11-05-2009, 10:53 AM
What about a South African Boerboel? I had never heard of one before my girlfriend got one but he is one of the best dogs I have ever met.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=african+boerboel&aq=1&oq=african+bo&aqi=g10
I've never heard of that breed so thanks for posting. I like learning about different breeds and have owned a few different breeds in the past.
I like the Akita and may get one later but we moved in to a new house in a new neighborhood a while back and decided to get a "mini-me" version. :lol:
We ended up with a Shiba Inu...great little dog but only about 28 lbs.
the chi
11-05-2009, 10:55 AM
Wait, aren't you a chic?
Yes. Does that really make a difference? :lol:
I have a strong personality. I am also a very small person. I HATE large dogs that arent trained and I HATE being jumped on. A 100 dog could take me down with a well placed jump. Not acceptable. Therefore when it comes to the whole training an animal (and some husbands :wink:) I am ALPHA.
Kaneman
11-05-2009, 10:57 AM
Yes. Does that really make a difference? :lol:
I have a strong personality. I am also a very small person. I HATE large dogs that arent trained and I HATE being jumped on. A 100 dog could take me down with a well placed jump. Not acceptable. Therefore when it comes to the whole training an animal (and some husbands :wink:) I am ALPHA.
Yea it makes a difference. Women can't be the "alpha" leader. Perhaps you didn't notice...but that's not a penis between your legs honey.
So silly.
z06boy
11-05-2009, 10:58 AM
Yea it makes a difference. Women can't be the "alpha" leader. Perhaps you didn't notice...but that's not a penis between your legs honey.
So silly.
How about Lady Gaga ? :rofl:
the chi
11-05-2009, 11:01 AM
Yea it makes a difference. Women can't be the "alpha" leader. Perhaps you didn't notice...but that's not a penis between your legs honey.
So silly.
Dont make me show you who wears the pants sunshine...
And check out wolf packs, there is always an alpha female. :dthumb:
Just hope you don't get a Marley ever, some dogs aren't trainable to respect the "Alpha." lolz
HokieDNA01
11-05-2009, 11:16 AM
Found these Beautiful dogs in a shelter in SW GA on Petfinder.org
http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=14717502
http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=14902267
There seem to be LOTS of Great Danes in Shelters near you Rae. Looks like lots of them got turned in by their owners because they couldn't afford them. :(
Kaneman
11-05-2009, 11:18 AM
Dont make me show you who wears the pants sunshine...
And check out wolf packs, there is always an alpha female. :dthumb:
More feminist propaganda. NOW member?
the chi
11-05-2009, 11:21 AM
Just hope you don't get a Marley ever, some dogs aren't trainable to respect the "Alpha." lolz
Not gonna happen. Thus the reason I dont want a lab.
Found these Beautiful dogs in a shelter in SW GA on Petfinder.org
http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=14717502
http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=14902267
Aww, they are adorable!
the chi
11-05-2009, 11:23 AM
I wonder if the hubby would be upset if a dog ate his cat...
Not gonna happen. Thus the reason I dont want a lab.
Not limited to labs, you can always get a defective one in any breed. :lol:
I wonder if the hubby would be upset if a dog ate his cat...
i would laugh
the chi
11-05-2009, 11:41 AM
Not limited to labs, you can always get a defective one in any breed. :lol:
i would laugh
A risk, but as long as it wasnt a lab I think I could make it.
I wouldnt laugh. I would look appropriately grievious, while silently cheering and jumping up and down inside.
The cat is as bad as a lab. She chews my BRAND NEW furniture, streaks around the house slamming into things and knocking stuff over, claws my rugs (thank god I dont have curtains), trips me as she runs around, races outside the moment the door is opened...damn cat.
marko138
11-05-2009, 12:42 PM
Lots of great info, again thanks everyone. I would prefer to find a shelter dog, but it all depends. I have to have a pup that I have a good idea the size it will eventually be. And it has to be a pup so I can socialize it with my other pets and people.
GM I have no issues being Alpha, when I had my own pack (6 total) there was no question who was the dominant pack leader so I am not worried about that. When I train an animal, it stays trained. When I snap my fingers, they respond. Thats part of the issue I have with labs is they arent as responsive as I expect.
I'm confused. Labs are easy to train and listen well if you train them.
Rider
11-05-2009, 12:47 PM
I'm confused. Labs are easy to train and listen well if you train them.
My lab was retarded. She went to puppy school 3 times and obedience school twice, didn't listen for shit. I used the same exact training on my Boxer and he is well behaved.
HokieDNA01
11-05-2009, 12:49 PM
Almost every lab I have meet was hyper and out of control. I'm sure their owners were the major cause but it still has clouded my opinion of them.
marko138
11-05-2009, 12:52 PM
My lab was retarded. She went to puppy school 3 times and obedience school twice, didn't listen for shit. I used the same exact training on my Boxer and he is well behaved.
Mine is extremely intelligent. Doesn't mean he listens perfectly, but he's a good dog and is trained.
Rider
11-05-2009, 12:54 PM
Mine is extremely intelligent. Doesn't mean he listens perfectly, but he's a good dog and is trained.
Must be a man thing. :lol
marko138
11-05-2009, 12:54 PM
Must be a man thing. :lol
You know thats a fact.
Marko is right, labs can be super obedient, but if you get a bad one it won't be. That's pretty much true of any breed though.
One of my high school friend's dad had his labs trained to military standard. I wouldn't even call the damn things dogs anymore because they were more well behaved than people.
marko138
11-05-2009, 01:46 PM
Marko is right, labs can be super obedient, but if you get a bad one it won't be. That's pretty much true of any breed though.
One of my high school friend's dad had his labs trained to military standard. I wouldn't even call the damn things dogs anymore because they were more well behaved than people.
Sounds like my BiL's lab. She doesn't step out of line, ever, for anything. Very well trained. My dog...not as much. He listens...but when he wants to he has a mind of his own.
karl_1052
11-05-2009, 01:54 PM
If labs cannot be trained, why are they the number one service dog for the blind in the world?
Labrador Retrievers are currently the most popular breed used for Guide dogs. Most programs use Labrador Retrievers, Golden Retrievers, German Shepherds, or crosses between Golden Retrievers and Labrador Retrievers as guide dog candidates. Some programs use Labradoodles, Boxers, or Chesapeake Bay Retrievers. It is extremely rare for a private trainer to train a guide dog. Since very few programs would accept outside animals for training, other breeds are very difficult to obtain.
These breeds are chosen for their biddability, intelligence, ability and willingness to work long hours, ability to tolerate stress, good health, and public acceptability or recognition.
If you are having issue training a lab, it is not the lab that is the problem.
marko138
11-05-2009, 02:02 PM
If labs cannot be trained, why are they the number one service dog for the blind in the world?
If you are having issue training a lab, it is not the lab that is the problem.
Thats what I'm saying.
karl_1052
11-05-2009, 02:09 PM
Thats what I'm saying.
I know, I am pointing it out to the lab haters.
the chi
11-05-2009, 02:59 PM
Its a preference thing. I've never said they CANT be trained, however 98% of them are ill trained, ill mannered and unmanageable. Nor did I say it was the dogs fault. It falls on the owner to take care of training the animal, and most are too lazy to put in the time and effort it takes to make them a perfectly trained animal.
Labs are typically a very attention needy animal, people pick them up because they are the "perfect american family pet" and let them go nuts.
Its a preference thing. I've never said they CANT be trained, however 98% of them are ill trained, ill mannered and unmanageable. Nor did I say it was the dogs fault. It falls on the owner to take care of training the animal, and most are too lazy to put in the time and effort it takes to make them a perfectly trained animal.
Labs are typically a very attention needy animal, people pick them up because they are the "perfect american family pet" and let them go nuts.
I wouldn't say ill training, it's neglect more than that. You can have a well trained dog and if you don't work it, it will get pissed off at you and act out. Especially like retreivers, terriers, and sheep dogs.
the chi
11-05-2009, 03:17 PM
I wouldn't say ill training, it's neglect more than that. You can have a well trained dog and if you don't work it, it will get pissed off at you and act out. Especially like retreivers, terriers, and sheep dogs.
Pretty much what I meant. Labs need order and training and people just dont do it. Not knocking those who havent trained their labs, but dont tell me how awesome he is when I am climbing a tree so the SOB will stop jumping on me.
HokieDNA01
11-05-2009, 03:24 PM
shit if I was a lab i would have hundreds of pups by now for the amount of times labs have leg humped me and I had to beat/push them off.
marko138
11-05-2009, 03:28 PM
Pretty much what I meant. Labs need order and training and people just dont do it. Not knocking those who havent trained their labs, but dont tell me how awesome he is when I am climbing a tree so the SOB will stop jumping on me.
You come off like non-trained dogs is only a problem with Labs.
dReWpY
11-05-2009, 03:30 PM
my mutt is X100 better then the akc boxer and it all has to do with training and i have had pudge since she was born almost and the boxer was neglacted most of its life
the chi
11-05-2009, 03:39 PM
You come off like non-trained dogs is only a problem with Labs.
Most definitely not, they just happen to have become the breed of the current topic. They are however one of the very most common dogs in american households, making their behavior stand out that much more than less common breeds.
Walk into any vet in your local area, theres bound to be at least one lab in there if not mulitples, pulling at the leash, lunging at other people and pets, etc etc...
HokieDNA01
11-05-2009, 03:42 PM
Found this and it has my opinion on labs. I used to work as a vet tech and they were often like big overgrown puppies that could not settle down. I know labs are GREAT dogs in the right environment. I think they have become so popular that people do not understand the excercise requirements and then can understand why they are eating the house. Educated pet owners make good pet owners.
http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/labradorretrievers.html
Pretty much what I meant. Labs need order and training and people just dont do it. Not knocking those who havent trained their labs, but dont tell me how awesome he is when I am climbing a tree so the SOB will stop jumping on me.
It's still not really training. Working a dog and training to be a house pet can be seperated. A well trained dog that is very obedient can act out as described if it isn't being worked properly. It can be as simple for some breeds as taking them for a walk to get the "hunt" out of them everyday or giving a sheltie something to herd. For each breed, the natural tendencies are still there and need to be addressed no matter how much training you put them through.
Labs like to be service dogs, if they are worked that way they will be very happy and will act as trained. My friend's dogs were worked by retreiving golf balls and placing them perfectly on the tee after his dad hit them. They knew if they didn't place them perfectly on the tee they would get in trouble and you could tell they wanted to do it perfect. It was really cool to watch and we knew not to mess with the dogs during this time he spent with them. They would take turns fetching and would not go until commanded and only the one commanded would go. Very intelligent dogs.
the chi
11-05-2009, 03:55 PM
It's still not really training. Working a dog and training to be a house pet can be seperated. A well trained dog that is very obedient can act out as described if it isn't being worked properly. It can be as simple for some breeds as taking them for a walk to get the "hunt" out of them everyday or giving a sheltie something to herd. For each breed, the natural tendencies are still there and need to be addressed no matter how much training you put them through.
Labs like to be service dogs, if they are worked that way they will be very happy and will act as trained. My friend's dogs were worked by retreiving golf balls and placing them perfectly on the tee after his dad hit them. They knew if they didn't place them perfectly on the tee they would get in trouble and you could tell they wanted to do it perfect. It was really cool to watch and we knew not to mess with the dogs during this time he spent with them. They would take turns fetching and would not go until commanded and only the one commanded would go. Very intelligent dogs.
I know this, we're on the same page dork. :lol:
Mr Lefty
11-05-2009, 09:10 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3310/3228041301_bf1d4071c2_o.gif
the chi
11-05-2009, 09:59 PM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3310/3228041301_bf1d4071c2_o.gif
Oh crap thats funny as hell, poor puppy, hes got a people face!
julie j
11-06-2009, 12:01 PM
I've never heard of that breed so thanks for posting. I like learning about different breeds and have owned a few different breeds in the past.
I like the Akita and may get one later but we moved in to a new house in a new neighborhood a while back and decided to get a "mini-me" version. :lol:
We ended up with a Shiba Inu...great little dog but only about 28 lbs.
I plan to get a Shiba Inu later in life. Great dogs! I love Akitas but I don't think I will ever own another dog I can't lift by myself. :no:
I finally got my wife talked into letting me get a dog, it isn't the sheltie I always wanted, but this one is small enough able to be a riding buddy. We applied to rescue a Westie.
This isn't the dog, just a stock photo of the breed.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images15/WestieMadisonIMGP3272.JPG
Phenix_Rider
11-06-2009, 12:19 PM
I plan to get a Shiba Inu later in life. Great dogs! I love Akitas but I don't think I will ever own another dog I can't lift by myself. :no:
I thought Akitas were the same size as a Husky? They're only around 60-80 pounds right? Never heard of a Shiba Inu :iunno:
Rider
11-06-2009, 12:25 PM
I finally got my wife talked into letting me get a dog, it isn't the sheltie I always wanted, but this one is small enough able to be a riding buddy. We applied to rescue a Westie.
This isn't the dog, just a stock photo of the breed.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images15/WestieMadisonIMGP3272.JPG
That's not a dog. :skep:
cuttle
11-06-2009, 12:27 PM
I finally got my wife talked into letting me get a dog, it isn't the sheltie I always wanted, but this one is small enough able to be a riding buddy. We applied to rescue a Westie.
This isn't the dog, just a stock photo of the breed.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images15/WestieMadisonIMGP3272.JPG
Let me see: fancy GS with a Westie as passenger...... make sure you aren't wearing a pink t-shirt while taking the dog of the bike :lol:
am I getting banned now?
That's not a dog. :skep:
It's a terrier, it was used by the scots to hunt. It has a natural tendency to chase cats. I am voting dog. I am not a large dog fan anyway. I would rather have a mid size sheepdog.
Let me see: fancy GS with a Westie as passenger...... make sure you aren't wearing a pink t-shirt while taking the dog of the bike :lol:
am I getting banned now?
nah, I don't really care about my masculinity. I'm married, I lost that a year ago. You could of caught me wearing a pink shirt on Oct 24th. Save the boobies.
cuttle
11-06-2009, 01:05 PM
It's a terrier, it was used by the scots to hunt. It has a natural tendency to chase cats. I am voting dog. I am not a large dog fan anyway. I would rather have a mid size sheepdog.
nah, I don't really care about my masculinity. I'm married, I lost that a year ago. You could of caught me wearing a pink shirt on Oct 24th. Save the boobies.
pink :boobs: shirts are ok!!!
"fuffu" dogs on the other hand..... :scared:
Rider
11-06-2009, 01:13 PM
It's a terrier, it was used by the scots to hunt. It has a natural tendency to chase cats. I am voting dog. I am not a large dog fan anyway. I would rather have a mid size sheepdog.
If a Terrier is what you want check out this guy.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images21/PitBullTerrierTiggerFetch1.jpg
and this guy
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images22/AmericanStaffordshireTerrierCash008.jpg
Sorry, I don't have to pretend to be a bad ass with my vicious appearing dog to cofirm what I think about myself in my mind. I am perfectly happy with family dog if it lets me get a dog. I would never want to own a dog like that anyway. My ideal dog is a sheltie.
http://www.ridgewood2.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/sheltie-1.jpg
I'd rather a blue one though, over the little lassie
http://www.willowgateshelties.com/b-blue%20sheltie%20body.jpg
Rider
11-06-2009, 01:44 PM
That's a lot of damn hair.
That's a lot of damn hair.
Yep, part of the reason I am not allowed to have one. She doesn't want to clean up all the shedding.
She also doesn't want me training it to herd our children.
Rider
11-06-2009, 01:47 PM
Yeah I hear ya, no long hair was a requirement from the wife. All dogs are cool in my book anyway. Well except for the little ankle bitter rat dogs.
marko138
11-06-2009, 01:48 PM
Yep, part of the reason I am not allowed to have one. She doesn't want to clean up all the shedding.
She also doesn't want me training it to herd our children.
I cannot see a downside to training it to herd children.
dReWpY
11-06-2009, 01:48 PM
my austrialian shepard learned to herd the nephews to the couch and kept them there until we told he to stop, it was great
cuttle
11-06-2009, 01:50 PM
Yep, part of the reason I am not allowed to have one. She doesn't want to clean up all the shedding.
The length of the hair does not equal the amount of shedding. My short hair dog left more hair behind than any of my two long haired dogs together (and it was harder to brush up 'cause it was so short).
julie j
11-06-2009, 01:51 PM
I thought Akitas were the same size as a Husky? They're only around 60-80 pounds right? Never heard of a Shiba Inu :iunno:
There are Japanese Akitas and American Akitas. The American Akitas have been breed to be larger. Diesel is American and weighs about 150. Rachel was Japanese Akita and weighted around 85. Unfortunately this was still to heavy for me to lift by myself when I needed to get her to the vet. I had to wait for someone to come help me. I don’t want to go through that again. :cry:
Shiba Inus are ridiculously smart. My friend had one that would break out of the apartment everyday, go beg for food at the local restaurant, and get himself back in the apartment before my friend got home. He only found out about it after walking the dog by the restaurant and the owner said something.
Yeah I hear ya, no long hair was a requirement from the wife. All dogs are cool in my book anyway. Well except for the little ankle bitter rat dogs.
This one is bigger than a yorkie/chiahauahhahauhahauah. It's about a jack russell size.
I cannot see a downside to training it to herd children.
:lol: me either, but apparently she wasn't happy with me joking about it. You don't need a babysitter if you can get the dog to keep the kids in line while you surf TWFix. :lol:
The length of the hair does not equal the amount of shedding. My short hair dog left more hair behind than any of my two long haired dogs together (and it was harder to brush up 'cause it was so short).
The sheltie sheds pretty good. The west highland barely sheds from what we were told by an owner that works with my wife.
marko138
11-06-2009, 01:54 PM
This one is bigger than a yorkie/chiahauahhahauhahauah. It's about a jack russell size.
:lol: me either, but apparently she wasn't happy with me joking about it. You don't need a babysitter if you can get the dog to keep the kids in line while you surf TWFix. :lol:
Exactly. Dog backs the kids into the corner, keeps them there until told to let them go. I'm struggling to see a downside to this.
the chi
11-06-2009, 02:08 PM
Yep, part of the reason I am not allowed to have one. She doesn't want to clean up all the shedding.
She also doesn't want me training it to herd our children.
That would be a total win.
I cannot see a downside to training it to herd children.
I know right?!
I have heard the same about their shedding (the WH), tho that blue sheltie is one helluva looker!
That would be a total win.
I know right?!
I have heard the same about their shedding (the WH), tho that blue sheltie is one helluva looker!
Probably cause she knows our backyard would end up like this, but replace the sheep with children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qniwI2hNhDs
cuttle
11-06-2009, 02:14 PM
here ya go: http://asheville.craigslist.org/pet/1452015861.html
more "manly" :lol:
here ya go: http://asheville.craigslist.org/pet/1452015861.html
more "manly" :lol:
Heck my favorite pet growing up was a lhasa apso that was bought for my sister, but she never really took care of it, so it became me and my mom's dog. I loved that dog. I don't need a "manly" dog, just want a dog. She will let me get a westie, so that's the plan.
Looked a lot like this one, dont have any digital pics of it. That was before the digi pic era.
http://download.kibostudios.com/frontlinekf/lhasa_apso.jpg
Phenix_Rider
11-06-2009, 03:42 PM
This one is bigger than a yorkie/chiahauahhahauhahauah. It's about a jack russell size.
:lol: me either, but apparently she wasn't happy with me joking about it. You don't need a babysitter if you can get the dog to keep the kids in line while you surf TWFix. :lol:
Jack Russels are still freaking small- and really irritating.
I would not want a dog barking kids into a corner- they'd be scarred for life! You'd scare them off ever owning another dog. Now, having a dog work them around without barking or showing teeth wouldn't be bad.
I would not want a dog barking kids into a corner- they'd be scarred for life! You'd scare them off ever owning another dog. Now, having a dog work them around without barking or showing teeth wouldn't be bad.
I don't think they bark or growl much in herding from what I have seen, just control direction with it's body and movement.
the chi
11-06-2009, 04:50 PM
Jack Russels are still freaking small- and really irritating.
I would not want a dog barking kids into a corner- they'd be scarred for life! You'd scare them off ever owning another dog. Now, having a dog work them around without barking or showing teeth wouldn't be bad.
JRT's are another misunderstood breed. They require training, attention and TONS of socialization so they dont turn into little terrors. Few people do this and thats why you have yappy nippy lil shits.
I had one, he was a great little dog, but took alot of work and always had an issue with short mans disease. Show him a lab or little dog and he wouldnt pay it any mind, show him a pit or a shepard and he was single mindedly prepared to take it down. :lol: He would even puff up and stick his chest out.
marko138
11-06-2009, 04:58 PM
JRT's are another misunderstood breed. They require training, attention and TONS of socialization so they dont turn into little terrors. Few people do this and thats why you have yappy nippy lil shits.
I had one, he was a great little dog, but took alot of work and always had an issue with short mans disease. Show him a lab or little dog and he wouldnt pay it any mind, show him a pit or a shepard and he was single mindedly prepared to take it down. :lol: He would even puff up and stick his chest out.
My dad's Jack Russell always acts like a tough guy around my Lab.
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