Ahhh shit! Hyosung goes EFI

[Rangerscott]

Just checked Hyosungs site and it looks like all 2010 models are EFI now.


I honestly love the looks of the bikes and have heard more good than bad about them. Ya I know all about the early years burning valves and etc but from '07 and up, I havent heard a horror story yet.

[Trip]

I have heard awesome things about them if you check everything over with a fine tooth comb. Lots of parts/bolts/nuts are loose is common.

[Rangerscott]

Loose nuts happen.

[BobTheBiker]

I've heard nothing good about them at all. and lookin over em, they look like an 80's kawi sportbike. fragile and piece of shit with modern bodywork.

[Particle Man]

what's wrong with EFI (other than the fact that you can't tinker with carbs)?

[Homeslice]

When they first came out 5 yrs ago they were much heavier than the competition, and their dashboard/gauges looked cheap as hell.

[tached1000rr]

But they have managed to outlast Buell:?:

[Rangerscott]

But they have managed to outlast Buell:?:

Ahhh snap.

[shmike]

what's wrong with EFI (other than the fact that you can't tinker with carbs)?

http://www.tigersweat.com/movies/airplane/air14.jpg

[karl_1052]

But they have managed to outlast Buell:?:

Buell has been around since 1983.


And they won an AMA national championship.:?:

[Rangerscott]

Buell has been around since 1983.


And they won an AMA national championship.:?:



How long did that take? Also hysosung doesnt race so you cant throw that in their face.


O NO HE DE ENT

[karl_1052]

How long did that take? Also hysosung doesnt race so you cant throw that in their face.


O NO HE DE ENT

Neither does Buell, they just have the rulebook written for them.:tremble:

[Mikey]

Hyosung will win the AMA National Championship next year. DMG is re-writing the rules so that they can race their 650 and all the Japanese factories have to race 49cc pocketbikes.

[Rangerscott]

Well, I'm rooting for them. I love to see competition.


I love hose people laugh at them and they're riding a jap bike that was made fun of in the day.

If it wasnt for insurance, I'd have a lot more bikes and the 650R would be one.

[Tsunami]

I'm curious to see how their 250 v twins run. I wonder if the dealer here lets people demo their bikes. I'm wondering why the seat height is so high though for a 250? Its over 32 inches!

[nhgunnut]

For giggles 2 years ago I spent about an Hour on one of their 650 Cruisers. It was a nice riding machine. They seem to use the same plan as Kia. Use older proven technology, limit R&D cost and pass the saving to the Customer. As noted above good to see the competition

[Homeslice]

I can see no advantage to owning a Hyosung except for the low cost. If that's what attracts you to them, cool, but otherwise I don't see the appeal. They are heavy and lower quality.

[karl_1052]

I'm curious to see how their 250 v twins run. I wonder if the dealer here lets people demo their bikes. I'm wondering why the seat height is so high though for a 250? Its over 32 inches!

really?
Most big sportbikes are only 31". That is nuts.

[Papa_Complex]

How long did that take? Also hysosung doesnt race so you cant throw that in their face.


O NO HE DE ENT

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery/galleries/090725-26_smp/track/_thumbs/700x700-P7266998.JPG

[pdog]

When you buy an SV650, you aren't just buying a bike. You're also buying huge aftermarket support, a great forum at svrider.com, and every engine/suspension guy knows the bike well. Does the GT650R have any of that?

[Rangerscott]

I can see no advantage to owning a Hyosung except for the low cost. If that's what attracts you to them, cool, but otherwise I don't see the appeal. They are heavy and lower quality.


Dry. The 2010 hyo 250 and ninja 250 weight the same.

[Dave]

still waiting for the rumors about them dropping a 1000cc vtwin SS to pan out :/

[Papa_Complex]

When you buy an SV650, you aren't just buying a bike. You're also buying huge aftermarket support, a great forum at svrider.com, and every engine/suspension guy knows the bike well. Does the GT650R have any of that?

Nope. Didn't exist in the early days of the SV either though. It had to be built.

[Homeslice]

When you buy an SV650, you aren't just buying a bike. You're also buying huge aftermarket support, a great forum at svrider.com, and every engine/suspension guy knows the bike well. Does the GT650R have any of that?

plus trillion

Dry. The 2010 hyo 250 and ninja 250 weight the same.

Must have changed then, because 5 years ago it was like 50 lbs heavier.

[z06boy]

We looked at the Hyosung 650 but went with an R6 instead. Seemed like a decent bike for the $$.

[Rangerscott]

When you buy an SV650, you aren't just buying a bike. You're also buying huge aftermarket support, a great forum at svrider.com, and every engine/suspension guy knows the bike well. Does the GT650R have any of that?

Its a new bike dum dum. Id hope the SV had a great support group for its age.

[Sean]

Its a new bike dum dum. .

Hyo has been around for years too.

They make cheap bikes for cheapskates. That's a positive quality, but I'd rather pay a little more and get a better bike that mechanics have actually serviced before and can get parts for.

[Mikey]

What's the better deal- $6K for a new Hyosung 650, or $3500 for an SV that's a couple of years old?

Personally, I think I'd go with the SV. It's a proven bike with a ton of aftermarket support.

Right now I look at the Hyosung the same way I look at cheap Chinese knockoffs- there needs to be a significant price difference to justify me taking the risk. New, a Hyosung and an SV are so close in price that I would just buy the one I know works- the SV (or Gladius, Ninja 650, FZ6, etc).

[karl_1052]

Hyosung now equals
http://i34.tinypic.com/2mzcp3o.jpg

Hyosung in 10 years could equal
http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/2/medium/hyundai-genesis-coupe_2.jpg

[Rider]

Hyosung now equals
http://i34.tinypic.com/2mzcp3o.jpg

Hyosung in 10 years could equal
http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/2/medium/hyundai-genesis-coupe_2.jpg

Highly doubtful.

[shmike]

Highly doubtful.

Why?

People said the same thing about Hyundai and KIA.

40 years earlier they said the same about Honda and Toyota.

[Rangerscott]

Im sure every first bike that the jap comps released were just super awesome.

Its called progress. Yes they have been making cheap "mopeds" for years but they are just now getting into bigger bikes. Completely different field.

They use what they can get a hold of. South Korea is a small country with a psyco twin attached to them.

[BobTheBiker]

Why?

People said the same thing about Hyundai and KIA.

Who are you kidding? kia is still fucking garbage.

I'm amazed nobody has claimed the old "hyosung made the SV motor" yet

[Rider]

Why?

People said the same thing about Hyundai and KIA.

40 years earlier they said the same about Honda and Toyota.

And both are pieces of shit IMO.

[Papa_Complex]

But I see that no one is touching the comment about Honda and Toyota :lol:

[Rider]

But I see that no one is touching the comment about Honda and Toyota :lol:

I don't know about Honda in the early days but I remember in the early 70's we had a Toyota and that was a great car. My grandparents also had a Datsun during that time which was also a good car.

[Papa_Complex]

I don't know about Honda in the early days but I remember in the early 70's we had a Toyota and that was a great car. My grandparents also had a Datsun during that time which was also a good car.

We had a 1972 Toyota Crown. It was a 2600cc V-6 and went like a bat. Rusted to crap in just a few years. It was Toyota's Achilles Heel, as they were generally made with a large amount of poorly smelted "reclaimed steel." They were already rusting on the inside when they were shipped.

Hondas tended to go the same way, in the early days. Edges of hoods and bottoms of door panels were the first to go, followed shortly thereafter by fenders.

[Rider]

We had a 1972 Toyota Crown. It was a 2600cc V-6 and went like a bat. Rusted to crap in just a few years. It was Toyota's Achilles Heel, as they were generally made with a large amount of poorly smelted "reclaimed steel." They were already rusting on the inside when they were shipped.

Hondas tended to go the same way, in the early days. Edges of hoods and bottoms of door panels were the first to go, followed shortly thereafter by fenders.

Ours was corolla and being in Southern Cali we never had an issue with rust.

[Homeslice]

If the issue is looks, just put an aftermarket fairing on the SV.

[pdog]

Thanks for the classy reply. They've been selling 650s since 2004, dum dum. It's not a new bike.

Its a new bike dum dum. Id hope the SV had a great support group for its age.

[Papa_Complex]

Thanks for the classy reply. They've been selling 650s since 2004, dum dum. It's not a new bike.

So the SV has 6 years on them, in addition to being from a company that's well established in North America (Suzuki sold their first bike in the US, in the 1960s IIRC).

[Rangerscott]

Thanks for the classy reply. They've been selling 650s since 2004, dum dum. It's not a new bike.


Wow. 2004. That is a long time ago. Wish I could remember those olden days.

[Homeslice]

And the SV has been selling for only 5 more years, yet it's probably outsold the Hyosung by a factor of 20 or 30.

[pdog]

Well, I've got a 2005 DRZ I'd love to sell you as a "new" bike since you think that way. :D

Wow. 2004. That is a long time ago. Wish I could remember those olden days.

[pdog]

I think that's the main reason why the SV has done so well. It's a cheap bike, yes, but it does have a brand name associated with it. Honda can sell a cheap car and people will take pride in ownership because it has the Honda name. Hyosung doesn't have that luxury. I wish them luck but as a buyer, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to choose the GT650R over the SV650S.

So the SV has 6 years on them, in addition to being from a company that's well established in North America (Suzuki sold their first bike in the US, in the 1960s IIRC).

[Papa_Complex]

I think that's the main reason why the SV has done so well. It's a cheap bike, yes, but it does have a brand name associated with it. Honda can sell a cheap car and people will take pride in ownership because it has the Honda name. Hyosung doesn't have that luxury. I wish them luck but as a buyer, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to choose the GT650R over the SV650S.

That's why Hundai started giving free regular service during the warranty period, for their cars.

[Mikey]

I wish them luck but as a buyer, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to choose the GT650R over the SV650S.

New SV650SF MSRP $7499
New GT650R MSRP $6,099 solid color, $6499 two-tone

SV: aftermarket support, proven platform, less weight, slightly more power, better refined and better put together.

GT: cheaper, but only by $1-$1.5K.

For my money, the SV is the better buy. The price difference would have to be at least $3K for me to seriously consider the Hyosung.

[Rangerscott]

My vfr is an 01 and I can guarrante that it runs just as well if not better than an '09 vfr.


Its sad that people think that a date on a bike makes it worthy or not.


I love how people are getting ther panties all tied up over this. Its a different company selling different bikes. You might as well call your self a harley rider if you think your bikes origins are the greatest and the rest is shit.


I remember tons of people calling Vizio tvs shit and look at them now. One of the top dogs.


Its funny cause Im sure there are plenty of parts on our bikes that are out sourced out of japan to complete the bike.

[Homeslice]

New SV650SF MSRP $7499
New GT650R MSRP $6,099 solid color, $6499 two-tone

SV: aftermarket support, proven platform, less weight, slightly more power, better refined and better put together.

GT: cheaper, but only by $1-$1.5K.

For my money, the SV is the better buy. The price difference would have to be at least $3K for me to seriously consider the Hyosung.

plus billion

[Smittie61984]

Why are people bitching about a company putting more competition into the motorcycle world? I love competition, it drives prices down. Sure Hyosung isn't (or may not be) as dependable as one of the Jap 4 (or even Europe) but they offer what appears to be a decent bike for a good bit less (you can probably negotiate with Hyo/UM sales weasels much easier) that looks good.

We all know that overall Toyota and Honda makes a better car than Hyundai or Kia but not everyone on here has the desire to drive their car to Thirdgen distances and don't need a car that can go 500,000 miles. So for many an option like a decent looking Hyundai that is a little less than Honda is perfect (and why they are selling like crazy).

Plus many people use the SV650 as a beginner bike. In a year or two that SV650 will be up for sale with them taking a hit for a bigger and better bike. That 1500 less in the Hyosung can be a big difference in 2 years. My 1st bike (SecaII) lasted 3 months before I got my CBR F3.

It's a great beginner bike that looks 10x better than many other beginner bikes.

[tached1000rr]

I have yet to meet an owner of a modern day Hyundai that have had any trouble with their cars, same with Kia and both have great warranties as well. Hyundai actually has a few models that I would drive, they come a long way since that shit Rodney King was driving back in the day:lol

[Smittie61984]

Hyundai actually has a few models that I would drive, they come a long way since that shit Rodney King was driving back in the day:lol

Hahahahahhaa. Fuck I'm dying here laughing.

For most people a car that can get 100,000 miles is all they need. Economic downturn or not people have got to get a new car.

[Dave]

Hahahahahhaa. Fuck I'm dying here laughing.

For most people a car that can get 100,000 miles is all they need. Economic downturn or not people have got to get a new car.

the hell they do

[Homeslice]

Just looked at the website........Hyosung 650R dry weight 451 lbs.......that's almost 75 lbs more than an SV :lol:

[Mikey]

Why are people bitching about a company putting more competition into the motorcycle world? I love competition, it drives prices down. Sure Hyosung isn't (or may not be) as dependable as one of the Jap 4 (or even Europe) but they offer what appears to be a decent bike for a good bit less (you can probably negotiate with Hyo/UM sales weasels much easier) that looks good.

We all know that overall Toyota and Honda makes a better car than Hyundai or Kia but not everyone on here has the desire to drive their car to Thirdgen distances and don't need a car that can go 500,000 miles. So for many an option like a decent looking Hyundai that is a little less than Honda is perfect (and why they are selling like crazy).

Plus many people use the SV650 as a beginner bike. In a year or two that SV650 will be up for sale with them taking a hit for a bigger and better bike. That 1500 less in the Hyosung can be a big difference in 2 years. My 1st bike (SecaII) lasted 3 months before I got my CBR F3.

It's a great beginner bike that looks 10x better than many other beginner bikes.

You make an interesting point, Smittie- what kind of resale value is there in a Hyosung 650 (or really any Hyosung)? Maybe a 2-year-old Hyosung is a screaming deal for a beginner bike or playbike. That's assuming, of course, that the reliability is there (and I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be).

[Smittie61984]

You make an interesting point, Smittie- what kind of resale value is there in a Hyosung 650 (or really any Hyosung)? Maybe a 2-year-old Hyosung is a screaming deal for a beginner bike or playbike. That's assuming, of course, that the reliability is there (and I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be).

I'm guessing resale value is a little less than the SV650 for the Hyo650 and probably close to the same for the Ninja250 vs the Hyo250.

Dependability wise? Well I'd be interested in what the average Hyo/Um owner is. I know a lot of dumbasses who drive a SV650 and use them as wheelie machines and change the oil... Well didn't the bike come with oil?

A Kyo owner may just be a little more disciplined or researched more before they got the bike (after all you do have to look for a Hyo). A Hyo buyer might also be more interested in a fun and economical way to get around. People who I know who bought the SV650 wanted to raise hell.

Would I get one? Probably not. I'm the type of person who will drive something til the wheels fall off so I'd probably shoot for the SV650. But if my gf ever got interested I'd look into a Hyosung (if I wanted a new bike or found a killer deal on a used one).

[Quick281]

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery/galleries/090725-26_smp/track/_thumbs/700x700-P7266998.JPG

Was the duct tape part of the package?


Why can't the Hyosung owners just speak up and tell us about their own experiences with the bikes?

Oh, we don't have any.

[Dave]

if i found a stonking deal on one id be tempted simply because it features VFD gauges

[Homeslice]

if i found a stonking deal on one id be tempted simply because it features VFD gauges

I read that, but there was no closeup to see what the hell that is.

[Tmall]

Put simply, I wouldn't own any of their current models.


If they came out with a proven performance machine that looked good and cost less, maybe.

[nhgunnut]

This is funny I remember My Dad and his peers talking about Honda's in the early 60s with about the same level of contempt you see here for the Hyosung. I suspect withing 4 or for years they will have a good base and be producing a product much like Hyundai and KIA
( My wife and I have Owned Hyundai Nissan Hummer Chrysler Dodge and a Honda since 99 BTW I mean owned not financed or leased) I would take the Hyundai over any of the Model to Model (My Ridgeline is the closest to Competition to Hyundai in terms of reliability with Nissan by Far being the worst.

[derf]

I would never by a hyosung, and not for the quality of the bike (which from what I've seen is lacking), or for the lifespan of the engine (also lacking).

My real problem with the Hyo brand is that I can go 10 miles from my house and stop by a honda shop and pick up almost any part for my bike, If I go down to Florida I can do the same, Cali, Ohio, South Dakota, Arizona, I guarantee you that there is a Honda dealer somewhat close. I also guarantee that they will find me the parts that I want.

Will Hyosung have a dealer? Will they be able to get you parts? Will that dealership be there 5 years from now? Can I get parts 5 years from now.

Thats my real problem with Hyosung, that and horror stories about bikes that literally die after 1000 miles

[nhgunnut]

I would never by a hyosung, and not for the quality of the bike (which from what I've seen is lacking), or for the lifespan of the engine (also lacking).

My real problem with the Hyo brand is that I can go 10 miles from my house and stop by a honda shop and pick up almost any part for my bike, If I go down to Florida I can do the same, Cali, Ohio, South Dakota, Arizona, I guarantee you that there is a Honda dealer somewhat close. I also guarantee that they will find me the parts that I want.

Will Hyosung have a dealer? Will they be able to get you parts? Will that dealership be there 5 years from now? Can I get parts 5 years from now.

Thats my real problem with Hyosung, that and horror stories about bikes that literally die after 1000 miles

As far as Horror stories go EVERY Brand has them and again The same lack of Dealerships and support was sighted by my dad (which is odd cause at the time he was riding Victoria Burgermiester) and his Harley/Indian Chronies when they Talked about Honda back in 1963/1964 I don't know if they will be in the states ten years from now but good odds they will be and if New England reflects the rest of the country the Dealer Network is only Growing. (BTW By law there has to be a means of getting parts for 10 years. ) Brand Snobbery amazes saddens me but Your point about dealer Network is well taken. Back in 06 when the wife and I were looking for a Luxury Tourer we were down to picking Between the Goldwing and the BMW LT both are GREAT bikes at the same price point, each a little better is some areas than the other but for us it came down to Service Networks You have to leave the planet not to be able to find a Honda Dealer (If dad were alive I wonder what he would say)

[derf]

As far as Horror stories go EVERY Brand has them and again The same lack of Dealerships and support was sighted by my dad (which is odd cause at the time he was riding Victoria Burgermiester) and his Harley/Indian Chronies when they Talked about Honda back in 1963/1964 I don't know if they will be in the states ten years from now but good odds they will be and if New England reflects the rest of the country the Dealer Network is only Growing. (BTW By law there has to be a means of getting parts for 10 years. ) Brand Snobbery amazes saddens me but Your point about dealer Network is well taken. Back in 06 when the wife and I were looking for a Luxury Tourer we were down to picking Between the Goldwing and the BMW LT both are GREAT bikes at the same price point, each a little better is some areas than the other but for us it came down to Service Networks You have to leave the planet not to be able to find a Honda Dealer (If dad were alive I wonder what he would say)

I wouldnt have bought a Honda back in the early 60's either.

KTM, is another brand I'm leary of, not because of their reputation (good), but just because every KTM dealership that I have seen opened I've also seen closed. I really likt thier bikes, just not the support network.

And your point about parts for 10 years is well taken, except for the fact that just because they sell parts in the US doesn't mean it will be easy to get them. Imagine trying to talk to some korean guy on the other side of the globe asking for a whoozit that goes on the whatzit. Then waiting 4 weeks for them to ship the part here from korea.

Hyo really needs to prove themselfs in this market, really spreading out into the botique bike shops, and it would also help if I ever seen one that isnt in the shop for major repairs.

[Dave]

I read that, but there was no closeup to see what the hell that is.

eh? VFD? vacuum fluorescent display. ive always liked them, hell i even swapped to them in my daytona.



this is interesting, race results from a team running a gt650r

http://www.hyosungmotorsusa.com/information/bbsread.asp

[tommymac]

eh? VFD? vacuum fluorescent display. ive always liked them, hell i even swapped to them in my daytona.



this is interesting, race results from a team running a gt650r

http://www.hyosungmotorsusa.com/information/bbsread.asp

Guess the thread is broken too :lol:

tom

[derf]

eh? VFD? vacuum fluorescent display. ive always liked them, hell i even swapped to them in my daytona.



this is interesting, race results from a team running a gt650r

http://www.hyosungmotorsusa.com/information/bbsread.asp

So 2 engines, and a trail of parts on track over 3 races and a 2nd and 3rd place finish is successful?

[Dave]

Guess the thread is broken too :lol:

tom

ahh fer cryin out loud



Hyosung Motors America is excited to announce that EP Racing has once again placed in last weekends CCS Race at the Firebird International Raceway in Phoenix, AZ. EP Racing won 2nd place on the recent CCS Thunderbike and 3rd place in Light Weight Superbike and Light Weight GP. Hyosung Motors America would like to congratulate EP Racing for their continual success. Please see below to read the press release on EP Racing results from last weekends CCS race.



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

EP Racing Takes 2nd Aboard the Hyosung GT 650R



Firebird Raceway, Phoenix, Oct. 4th, 2009 ? It was a windy weekend at the tight and technical West Track in Phoenix, yet Matt Kellerman (#63) was able to stay on the bike for three more podium finishes. Entering Round 7 of the CCS Southwest Series, EP Racing was looking to move up to third in the standings for Thunderbike as well as claiming Third Overall in the Lightweight Division. Happily both goals were accomplished with EP Racing taking a weekend best of 2nd in the Thunderbike race.



The bike was running great after last months fixes, so the only modification made for the race was a new paint job to make the Hyosung GT650R stand out on the track and help highlight our sponsors. The team received many compliments on the bike throughout the weekend, and as the pictures show, the bike looks great at speed!


Race 1: Matt was a little late getting out for the warm-up lap, which led to a bad start at the drop of the green flag. He was able to hold on to the back of the two bikes in front for half the race, but on lap 5 he could no longer shift through his gears. Matt had to retire from the race and found the culprit to be a missing footpeg bracket bolt. Not the best way to start the day but with the addition of a new bolt the team was ready for the next race.


Race 2: LW Superbike saw the winds really start to pickup and some dust starting settle on the track. Another rough start saw Matt slotted into 4th into Turn 1. The bike in front ridden by Kerry Alter (#21) was a heavily worked SV650 that rocketed out of the corners. Matt would bring his GT right behind number 21 into the corners only to see his work lost as Kerry used his power advantage to pull away on the short straights. #63 was finally able to pass Alter on Lap 5 and immediately started to pull a big gap. But it was too little too late as the front runners had already pulled away. Matt brought it home in 3rd.



Race 3: Thunder bike started nearly the same as LW Superbike yet this time the Hyosung was 3rd into turn 1. This time Matt was able to get past Kerry on Lap 2 and set off after Dustin who was in the lead. The wind was kicking up some serious dust at this point and halfway through the lap a sand storm blew across the track, knocking the visibility down to near zero. Matt said “I couldn't see 2 feet in front of me at one point, so I just held the throttle open and hoped I didn't run out of asphalt!” The GT650R weathered the storm and brought it home in 2nd.



At the end of the weekend EP Racing and the GT650R have moved into a tie for 3rd in Thunderbike, and have moved into 3rd overall for all the Lightweight Classes. EP Racing would like to thank all of its sponsors, PowersportsOutlet.com, Hyosung Motors America, Hyosung.Biz, Dunlop, EBC, BMC, LSL, and Puig for another successful weekend.





Next month will see the team and their GT650R return to the Main track for the 8th and Final race of the season. The event is scheduled for the weekend of November 14 - 15, 2009. For more information log on to Roadrace Southwest.



EP Racing is based out of Prescott, AZ and have been racing the Hyosung GT650R since 2006. They have achieved multiple victory's, countless podium finishes, a LW GT title, and other honors, in both the CCS, and SMRI race series. For more information you can contact the team at 928-778-7910 or email: shop@epfguzzi.com

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So 2 engines, and a trail of parts on track over 3 races and a 2nd and 3rd place finish is successful?

i said interesting :lol:

[Rangerscott]

Well I've lived in two cities with my vfr and ninja 250 and non of the dealers had the parts I've ever needed.

[BobTheBiker]

Well I've lived in two cities with my vfr and ninja 250 and non of the dealers had the parts I've ever needed.

Probably not in stock, but 10:1 they could rush order your parts and have em in next day if you asked em to. hyosung kinda cant do that. hell they can hardly keep a motor together for 1000 miles.

[Rangerscott]

Probably not in stock, but 10:1 they could rush order your parts and have em in next day if you asked em to. hyosung kinda cant do that. hell they can hardly keep a motor together for 1000 miles.


Everything for my bike is not in stock. Which means they dont carry. Plus dealership prices are rediculous any ways.

[Papa_Complex]

Was the duct tape part of the package?


Why can't the Hyosung owners just speak up and tell us about their own experiences with the bikes?

Oh, we don't have any.

In Canadian racing a certain amount of "Newfie Chrome" is virtually mandatory.

http://www.morallyambiguous.net/multimedia/gallery/galleries/090926-27_smp/candid/_thumbs/700x700-R9275229.JPG

[Rangerscott]

O my!

[tommymac]

Dayum looks like a lot of tape there.

[Papa_Complex]

Probably not in stock, but 10:1 they could rush order your parts and have em in next day if you asked em to. hyosung kinda cant do that. hell they can hardly keep a motor together for 1000 miles.

I've had to wait 6-8 weeks for parts for Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, and BMW in the past. Didn't have to for Suzuki because I bought aftermarket, not because there was any domestic stock.

[Smittie61984]

I've had to wait 6-8 weeks for parts for Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, and BMW in the past. Didn't have to for Suzuki because I bought aftermarket, not because there was any domestic stock.

Honda OEM is expensive as fuck. I know becuase I rebuilt my F3. If I wanted to replace all of my fairings I could probably have a brand new Kyo250. Replace fairings and bolts I could have a new Kyo650. Fucking stock exhaust I believe cost more than my V&H carbon fiber full system that was $800.

You might be lucky getting parts of a Kyo/UM. You might just have to talk to the main office and they can get it out fast since it may not have to jump through 10miles of red tape and dumbass cubicle jockies. I don't know but getting parts for my F3 from my Honda dealer was a PITA. Infact I got Honda parts from a KTM dealership near my house for much cheaper and often times they had the parts in stock.

[Homeslice]

eh? VFD? vacuum fluorescent display. ive always liked them, hell i even swapped to them in my daytona.
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I have never heard of them, do you have any pictures? How is it different from LCD?

[Dave]

I have never heard of them, do you have any pictures? How is it different from LCD?

lucky for you i was just working on the shelby. its old tech man. mostly replaced by OLEDs these days

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/Khajjathefang/1107091737.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_fluorescent_display

[Rangerscott]

Vfd is like 1960 lights in your house. Its retro now. LOL

[Dave]

Vfd is like 1960 lights in your house. Its retro now. LOL

eggzachary. but it was the rage when i was growing up in the eighties which is probably why i like them so much

[Rangerscott]

I like em. For precesion Im not big on digital. I wonder how accurrate the hyo's mph is?

[Dave]

prolly no better than anything else's

[Flexin]

As far as Horror stories go EVERY Brand has them and again The same lack of Dealerships and support was sighted by my dad (which is odd cause at the time he was riding Victoria Burgermiester) and his Harley/Indian Chronies when they Talked about Honda back in 1963/1964 I don't know if they will be in the states ten years from now but good odds they will be and if New England reflects the rest of the country the Dealer Network is only Growing. (BTW By law there has to be a means of getting parts for 10 years. ) Brand Snobbery amazes saddens me but Your point about dealer Network is well taken. Back in 06 when the wife and I were looking for a Luxury Tourer we were down to picking Between the Goldwing and the BMW LT both are GREAT bikes at the same price point, each a little better is some areas than the other but for us it came down to Service Networks You have to leave the planet not to be able to find a Honda Dealer (If dad were alive I wonder what he would say)

From what I understand is that law is there to make sure a manufactures still parts for 10 years. If the company doesn't survive who are they going to force to build parts?

James

[derf]

From what I understand is that law is there to make sure a manufactures still parts for 10 years. If the company doesn't survive who are they going to force to build parts?

James

If they want to do business in the US at all then they have to supply the parts. This applies to all their parent companies, subsidaries and partnerships too. They can pull out of the US market completely and still make parts available through suppliers (this is where it gets rough) or over the phone or internet and ship them from their korea here. As long as you can buy them here then they are covered. But, and this is the but, imagine trying to order a brake lever over the phone, a call which is long distance to korea, to some guy who barely understands english, then having to wait a few weeks for it to arrive. Thats what scares me, especially since I can go to my local honda dealership, most any motorcycel parts store, or over the internet and buy one. Even if they dont have it in stock, I do guarantee you that they can get one at their shop or your front door within 1-2 days depending on the time of day you order it. I cant say that with any certainty that you can do anything better than buy parts from ebay about hyosung.

You also should think about the resale factor.. How much can you resell it for? A quick look in craigslist shows me a 2008 250 for $1300, and an 07 650 for $2100. Thats a big drop from $4k for the 250 and $6k for the 650 especially over a 2 & 3 year period. I guarantee you I can turn around and sell my honda for just about what I paid for it right now, and not too much of a price drop over the next few years, same goes for any of the big 4 jap bikes or larger known euro bikes.

Its not that I have anything against Hyosung, I've been using their ATM machines for years, but they have to prove to me that they can last in this country, build quality bikes that last, and that I can easily buy their parts.

For my money I would rather buy an early 90s 250 ninja for $1300 than a 07 Hyo 250.


And just as a side note, I'm not sure I really trust anything I've read about the company. I've seen a few forum postings that were very negative, but alot of positive reviews from questionable (motorcycle.com) sources. And again if anyone is interested, just save you money and buy a bike that has a decent reputation, like any of the jap big 4

[derf]

I like em. For precesion Im not big on digital. I wonder how accurrate the hyo's mph is?

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/hyosung-gt650-vs-suzuki-sv650-14284.html

8-12% off from actual speeds.

[101lifts2]

The Koreans copy alot of stuff and Hyosung is no different. The problem is there is only so much you can copy if you don't exactly understand why stuff is engineered the way it is.

I'd rather pay a few grand more for Japanese bikes personally, but the 250 EFI is nice. Carbs suck, except for long distance cruising.

[Flexin]

If they want to do business in the US at all then they have to supply the parts. This applies to all their parent companies, subsidaries and partnerships too. They can pull out of the US market completely and still make parts available through suppliers (this is where it gets rough) or over the phone or internet and ship them from their korea here. As long as you can buy them here then they are covered. But, and this is the but, imagine trying to order a brake lever over the phone, a call which is long distance to korea, to some guy who barely understands english, then having to wait a few weeks for it to arrive. Thats what scares me, especially since I can go to my local honda dealership, most any motorcycel parts store, or over the internet and buy one. Even if they dont have it in stock, I do guarantee you that they can get one at their shop or your front door within 1-2 days depending on the time of day you order it. I cant say that with any certainty that you can do anything better than buy parts from ebay about hyosung.

You also should think about the resale factor.. How much can you resell it for? A quick look in craigslist shows me a 2008 250 for $1300, and an 07 650 for $2100. Thats a big drop from $4k for the 250 and $6k for the 650 especially over a 2 & 3 year period. I guarantee you I can turn around and sell my honda for just about what I paid for it right now, and not too much of a price drop over the next few years, same goes for any of the big 4 jap bikes or larger known euro bikes.

Its not that I have anything against Hyosung, I've been using their ATM machines for years, but they have to prove to me that they can last in this country, build quality bikes that last, and that I can easily buy their parts.

For my money I would rather buy an early 90s 250 ninja for $1300 than a 07 Hyo 250.


And just as a side note, I'm not sure I really trust anything I've read about the company. I've seen a few forum postings that were very negative, but alot of positive reviews from questionable (motorcycle.com) sources. And again if anyone is interested, just save you money and buy a bike that has a decent reputation, like any of the jap big 4

I understand all that but what I'm saying is if the company itself goes under then there is no one to follow that law.

I was also going to bring up the resale value as well. Last night someone was showing how they are about $1400 cheaper then the SV. The first thing that came to my mind is what would be the resale (even though I don't look at resale when I buy a product) would be. I can't see them holding their price very well. If they are not know for reliability then who is going to pay much for a used one?

I myself wouldn't buy one. To tell the truth I didn't even know they were into the larger bikes now. All brands break down. Every last one of them. Some more then others. What it comes down to is which one are you willing to spend you money repairing?

I know a guy that has one of those flat deck scooters that are like the ones the kids use but its larger and has a gas engine on it. He bought it used and got it really cheap. But he has been spending a lot of money repairing it because if the engine manufacture. If it was a Briggs or a Honda engine he would have no problem getting parts. For this one they are hard to get and if he can get them they are really expensive.

James

[nhgunnut]

Hyosung (actualy it is Branded Hyosung-Suzuki in Seoul my brohter and his wife last evening from Seoul has been around forever in and they are not going away. I am unlikely to go buy one of their bikes (to Small) but the reality is that you will never have problem getting parts beyond shipping time should they stop selling here in the states. That said there seems to be a lot of people that need somebody else's bike to be less than. I would agree that they are not at Japanese levels of engineering or quality YET. I have no doubt 10 years from now they will be an established brand with a good following

[Digifox]

You all know Hyosung COULD be the next big brand....

Think for a second
Klodike is ACTUALLY a Knock off brand of Eskimo Pies(which didnt fare to well)
and now Klondike the Knock off(no name brand) is the biggest name......


Who's to say a "cheap imitation" brand like Hyosung couldn't become the next Honda or Kawasaki?

[tached1000rr]

You all know Hyosung COULD be the next big brand....

Think for a second
Klodike is ACTUALLY a Knock off brand of Eskimo Pies(which didnt fare to well)
and now Klondike the Knock off(no name brand) is the biggest name......


Who's to say a "cheap imitation" brand like Hyosung couldn't become the next Honda or Kawasaki?

Damn now I want a klondike!

[Flexin]

You all know Hyosung COULD be the next big brand....

Think for a second
Klodike is ACTUALLY a Knock off brand of Eskimo Pies(which didnt fare to well)
and now Klondike the Knock off(no name brand) is the biggest name......


Who's to say a "cheap imitation" brand like Hyosung couldn't become the next Honda or Kawasaki?

They could one day but that day isn't today.

James

[derf]

They could one day but that day isn't today.

James

I was thinking the same thing. Being a good company 10 years from now doesnt mean that you wont buy a bike today and have a hard time selling it or repairing it. Just because my kids are gonna be good drivers 10 years from now doesnt mean I'm willing to give them the keys to my car, neither of them knows how to drive today.

[Homeslice]

Given that the average sportbike rider only puts about 6-8k miles on their bike before selling it, I doubt it will give them any problems. It's a good looking bike, but I just can't get over how it's 60-70 lbs heavier than an SV. I mean WTF?

[karl_1052]

Damn now I want a klondike!

What would you do for a Klondike bar?

[Homeslice]

lucky for you i was just working on the shelby. its old tech man. mostly replaced by OLEDs these days

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_fluorescent_display

Hmm, fixed-color, fixed character........Seems lame, but at least it's a lot brighter than the LCD shit a lot of bikes use (the KTM RC8 is the worst, you cannot read that thing in broad daylight because the backlighting is so weak and the font is so skinny)

[Dave]

Hmm, fixed-color, fixed character........Seems lame, but at least it's a lot brighter than the LCD shit a lot of bikes use (the KTM RC8 is the worst, you cannot read that thing in broad daylight because the backlighting is so weak and the font is so skinny)

its hard to describe, its a warm light in a comforting futuristic sort of way. has character. kinda like nixie tubes. id kill for a nixie clock for my desk or wall

[Rangerscott]

its hard to describe, its a warm light in a comforting futuristic sort of way. has character. kinda like nixie tubes. id kill for a nixie clock for my desk or wall

Really neat stuff.

http://www.2dayblog.com/images/nixie_watch.jpg

http://scherle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nixie_blue.jpg

http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2009/02/nixie-tube-clock.jpg

http://www.ominous-valve.com/images/nixie4.jpg

http://tingilinde.typepad.com/starstuff/images/watch21.jpg


http://www.vcalc.net/images2/nixie3.gif

"In a Nixie Tube display each numeral is a complete, lighted cathode in the shape of the numeral. The cathodes are stacked so that different numerals appear at different depths, unlike a planar display in which all numerals are on the same plane relative to the viewer. The anode is a transparent metal mesh wrapped around the front of the display. The tube is filled with the inert gas neon with a small amount of mercury. When an electric potential of 180 to 200 volts DC is applied between the anode and any cathode, the gas near the cathode breaks down and glows. The digits glow with a orange-red color.

The name Nixie came about accidentally. A [Burroughs] draftsman making drawings of the device labeled it NIX I, for Numeric Indicator eXperimental No. 1. His colleagues began referring to it as "Nixie," and the name stuck (Scientific American, June '73, pp. 66).

Interestingly enough the Nixie design is considered "failsafe". If a filament (cathode) fails, the numeral is not illuminated. Whereas, in a seven-segment display if one segment fails, a number other than the intended number may be displayed. The Casio 121-A and the Sharp QT8-B used Nixie tubes. "

[Dave]

Really neat stuff.

http://www.2dayblog.com/images/nixie_watch.jpg

http://scherle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/nixie_blue.jpg

http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2009/02/nixie-tube-clock.jpg

http://www.ominous-valve.com/images/nixie4.jpg

http://tingilinde.typepad.com/starstuff/images/watch21.jpg


http://www.vcalc.net/images2/nixie3.gif

"In a Nixie Tube display each numeral is a complete, lighted cathode in the shape of the numeral. The cathodes are stacked so that different numerals appear at different depths, unlike a planar display in which all numerals are on the same plane relative to the viewer. The anode is a transparent metal mesh wrapped around the front of the display. The tube is filled with the inert gas neon with a small amount of mercury. When an electric potential of 180 to 200 volts DC is applied between the anode and any cathode, the gas near the cathode breaks down and glows. The digits glow with a orange-red color.

The name Nixie came about accidentally. A [Burroughs] draftsman making drawings of the device labeled it NIX I, for Numeric Indicator eXperimental No. 1. His colleagues began referring to it as "Nixie," and the name stuck (Scientific American, June '73, pp. 66).

Interestingly enough the Nixie design is considered "failsafe". If a filament (cathode) fails, the numeral is not illuminated. Whereas, in a seven-segment display if one segment fails, a number other than the intended number may be displayed. The Casio 121-A and the Sharp QT8-B used Nixie tubes. "

hells yeah, your fourth picture down is a VFD clock though ;)

[Rangerscott]

Its in a tube. LOL


Here's some nixie clock programs.


This one is nixie and vfd.

http://www.sb-software.com/nixieclock/

This is just nixie but uses actual pics to show it.

http://www.brothersoft.com/mom-nixie-clock-230201.html

Another nixie

http://download.cnet.com/Gunamoi-Nixie-Clock/3000-2350_4-10768952.html



Nixie for the crackberry.

http://software.crackberry.com/product.asp?id=31796

[Flexin]

I was thinking the same thing. Being a good company 10 years from now doesnt mean that you wont buy a bike today and have a hard time selling it or repairing it. Just because my kids are gonna be good drivers 10 years from now doesnt mean I'm willing to give them the keys to my car, neither of them knows how to drive today.

Very well put. :rockwoot:

James

[Flexin]

Given that the average sportbike rider only puts about 6-8k miles on their bike before selling it, I doubt it will give them any problems. It's a good looking bike, but I just can't get over how it's 60-70 lbs heavier than an SV. I mean WTF?

I put 12500 miles on the R6 before selling it. And there was one summer I couldn't drive it much at all because I wasn't feeling good. I should have had about 20000 kms.

James

[Rangerscott]

I like the looks of this one.

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/12/11/hyosung-trend-killer/

[Tmall]

I put 12500 miles on the R6 before selling it. And there was one summer I couldn't drive it much at all because I wasn't feeling good. I should have had about 20000 kms.

James

20000kms = 12000 miles.. :lol:

[karl_1052]

20000kms = 12000 miles.. :lol:

good catch!

I guess math isn't James' strong suit.:lol

[Mikey]

I like the looks of this one.

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/12/11/hyosung-trend-killer/

I dig that, especially the changes to the front end with the headlight and bars. That would probably make a really cool commuter bike.

[Flexin]

20000kms = 12000 miles.. :lol:

LOL Bastard. I had 20000 kms which is about 12427 miles. It should have said I should have had 20000 miles when I sold it which would have been 32182 miles.

James

[Rangerscott]

I'd drive this new Kia.

http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/04/2010-KIA-Forte-KOUP.jpg

[Flexin]

Kms.

James

[Tmall]

LOL Bastard. I had 20000 kms which is about 12427 miles. It should have said I should have had 20000 miles when I sold it which would have been 32182 miles.

James

20000miles=20000miles. :lol


Just busting your balls James. :lol:

[Flexin]

20000miles=20000miles. :lol


Just busting your balls James. :lol:

LOL. :lol Bastard.

James

[Mikey]

I'd drive this new Kia.

http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/04/2010-KIA-Forte-KOUP.jpg

I would too, if it was RWD and had enough interior room for someone who is 6'6" 230 lbs.

[karl_1052]

I would too, if it was RWD and had enough interior room for someone who is 6'6" 230 lbs.

then get the Genesis coupe. costs about the same.

[Homeslice]

What's so special about that Kia? Looks like just an econobox to me....... kinda like an updated Tercel. Just because it has an aggressive looking front end doesn't make it a performance car.

And I'm not sure why the hood has to be so high when it probably only has a 2 litre engine. :lmao:

[BobTheBiker]

What's so special about that Kia? Looks like just an econobox to me....... kinda like an updated Tercel. Just because it has an aggressive looking front end doesn't make it a performance car.

And I'm not sure why the hood has to be so high when it probably only has a 2 litre engine. :lmao:

$5 says my S10 can drag it around with the 2.2 in the truck.

[Rangerscott]

Why does everything have to be a "performance" machine?

[karl_1052]

Why does everything have to be a "performance" machine?

because the manufacturer claims it is.
When we decided to build our first two-door coupe, we didn’t hold anything back. The result is the 2010 Kia Forte Koup. The Forte Koup brings the shape and design cues of the groundbreaking Koup concept to life in Canada’s newest and most exciting compact sport coupe. With a low wedge-like profile and bold styling, it turns heads faster than any law should allow. It’s also infused with the power to surprise, so you’ll find the Forte Koup is packed with performance, comfort and convenience features that you probably thought you’d have to pay extra for. Surprise!