Am I the only one?

[Rangerscott]

That thinks that anything sold with an engine (motor is electrical silly) should automatically come with a Service manual? I'm not talking about the 20 page booklet crap.

I read countless threads with someone that doesn't have a FSM and the first post from someone is, "Go buy a FSM." I can understand if its a used bike and the seller didnt give it to you but a dealership should just handle it over to you just like they do the bill.

[Homeslice]

Why should they help you work on your own vehicle? I don't know about bike dealerships, but at car dealerships the profit from parts & service usually equals or exceeds the sales department's.

[tommymac]

That thinks that anything sold with an engine (motor is electrical silly) should automatically come with a Service manual? I'm not talking about the 20 page booklet crap.

I read countless threads with someone that doesn't have a FSM and the first post from someone is, "Go buy a FSM." I can understand if its a used bike and the seller didnt give it to you but a dealership should just handle it over to you just like they do the bill.

Bu tthen they wouldbe be able to charge you for it. I do like how you can go to an auto parts store and get a haynes or chlymer manual for 20 bucks but a dealer will charge close to if not over 100 fo ra MC manual.

Fortunatley most can be found online as a free DL.

Tom

[Rangerscott]

I cant completely trust the 3rd party books since they still wont correct important things on my vehicle. Even after countless people have emailed them pointing it out.

[Particle Man]

nope - I'd rather they come separate... tons of people don't have the first clue about working on an engine so they're better off letting someone else do it

[Rangerscott]

Just cause they get the fsm doesnt mean they are gonna work on it. Its an instruction book just like you'd get with any thing thats electrical/mechanical. But I'm sure every person on here NEVER reads the instructions.

[azoomm]

Why should they help you work on your own vehicle? I don't know about bike dealerships, but at car dealerships the profit from parts & service usually equals or exceeds the sales department's.

This. And, this...

nope - I'd rather they come separate... tons of people don't have the first clue about working on an engine so they're better off letting someone else do it

Not everyone knows which end of the hammer to hold...

[racedoll]

Just cause they get the fsm doesnt mean they are gonna work on it. Its an instruction book just like you'd get with any thing thats electrical/mechanical. But I'm sure every person on here NEVER reads the instructions.

I read my owners manual for my bike cover to cover before I brought the bike itself home. I also bought the factory service manual and used it to help remove the forks off my bike since that was the whole point in having it, to help me.

[TYEster]

I don't much trust the previous owners expertise on my vehicles, so whatever I can do to look and check it over, I will.

With that said, the only service manuals I think there should be available, is for download online for free. I got spoiled being able to get the ZX10s manual so easy, to which point, it was a BITCH to get the CRFs online.

[Gas Man]

I don't agree. There are plently of mc owners that have no right working on bikes. They would just f something up. Fruther there are some that just wouldn't want it. Guys who take their bikes to the dealer for everything.

That being said, I own a SM for all my bikes. But here's a big kicker. HD sells 3 books for every model line. A service manual, which will tell you how to do all the mechanics and take things apart. A electrical diagnosis manual, which helps you go thru all the electronics. Lastly, a parts manual, which just gives you part numbers for every piece on the bike. I buy the first 2 for each bike, at..... $60 a crack!

[unknownroad]

I think it would be overkill. The average vehicle owner will never disassemble their transmission, and don't need to have the cost of a several-hundred-page manual added to the cost of the vehicle.

I would say that my mechanical experience is above average, and I can't tell you the number of times I've gone into a FSM to figure out how (the FUCK) to remove a widget to repair it, and find that the FSM just says "remove widget", or "use Special Tool # 6184-A to remove widget".

However, there seems to be a new trend of removing anything at all mechanical- like oil change instructions- from the owner's manuals, and I don't approve of that at all.

[Trip]

an engine (motor is electrical silly)

Wrong

Engine:
4: a machine for converting any of various forms of energy into mechanical force and motion; also : a mechanism or object that serves as an energy source <black holes may be the engines for quasars>

Motor:
1: one that imparts motion; specifically : prime mover
2: any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: as a: a small compact engine b: internal combustion engine; especially : a gasoline engine c: a rotating machine that transforms electrical energy into mechanical energy

In Aerospace Engineering, they call rockets "motors" as well.