teacher gets aways w/ bangin student

[RACER X]

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2009/12/09/gross-awful-but-legal-judge-calls-it-in-teacher-sex-case/?cxntfid=blogs_get_schooled_blog


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/12/10/pn.teacher.student.legal.sex.cnn

Gross, awful, but legal: Judge calls it in teacher sex case
4:12 pm December 9, 2009, by Maureen Downey

I think both the judge and the school district made the right decisions in the sexual assault case against former Marietta High School teacher Christopher King. (See earlier post for more details. Read AJC breaking news story on the verdict.)

When the Marietta system found out that King was involved in a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old student, it made him resign. Today, a judge in Cobb County ruled that while the 36-year-old King’s relationship with a student repelled him, it wasn’t a crime.


Former Marietta High School teacher Christopher King, right, and prosecutor Maurice Brown, listen as defense attorney Scott Semrau gives opening arguments in a case growing out of King's sexual relationship with a student. Brant Sanderlin bsanderlin@ajc.com

Judge Robert Flournoy issued a direct verdict Wednesday afternoon in the case. “It was gross, it’s awful, but it ain’t illegal,” he said. “This was a consensual relationship.”

The Georgia Supreme Court ruled in June that when the student is a willing participant and is 16 or older, the student’s consent can be a defense for teachers facing a sexual assault charge.

Had King been convicted of sexual assault, he faced 10 to 30 years in prison. In his favor was the testimony of the former student on the stand today; she said she was not coerced and the relationship was absolutely consensual.

[The student] was obviously persuasive, ” said King’s attorney Scott Semrau. “She was thoroughly knowledgeable about what she wanted.”

No one can complain that King was not punished at all. His immaturity and lack of judgment in pursuing an honors student who worked on his school newspaper staff cost him his teaching career. King resigned in lieu of termination and had his teaching certificate revoked by the Professional Standards Commission.

Now working as a salesman, King would like to resume his relationship with the girl, according to his attorney. (Hearing that, I think the charge of immaturity still stands against King.)

“I know he cares very deeply about her, but at this point the ball’s in her court,” Semrau said. As for teaching again, “Realistically, [King]’s put [that] behind him,” said the attorney.

Many people say the high school student will someday regret the relationship and suffer because of it, but is that reason enough to say she was incapable of giving consent?

Is the prospect of pain and regret reason to argue that she was not competent to consent to the affair in the first place?

After all, some high school girls will eventually regret the relationships they are having now with boys their own age, too. (And there are probably women today who still feel pain over high school romances.)

There is the issue of balance of power in relationships between teachers and students, and there are valid concerns about whether the teacher pressured the student. That does not appear to be the case here, based on the young woman’s comments on the stand.

[goof2]

Sounds about right to me. She was old enough to consent in Georgia so he didn't break the law. He did break the rules of his district and whatever authority controls his certification so he is no longer a teacher there and no longer has a teaching certificate.

[karl_1052]

Is the prospect of pain and regret reason to argue that she was not competent to consent to the affair in the first place?

That is a pretty slippery blanket statement that could apply to anyone after leaving a relationship.

[Kaneman]

Good. Now we gotta work on getting those hot teachers off when they go after that young cock.

[AquaPython]

is she hot? pics?

[Trip]

I'm still pissed hot female teachers didn't moleste me. Seems like everyone is getting hot teacher ass these days.

[Kaneman]

I'm still pissed hot female teachers didn't moleste me. Seems like everyone is getting hot teacher ass these days.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So true man, so true. I can still picture the HS teachers I used to want to fuck. This notion that teenage boys are some how damaged or scarred by having sex with an attractive teacher is such a joke.

Boys are predators as soon as they come out of the womb and by the time they are teenagers know how to use emotion and other human behaviors to get what they want.

[Rider]

I'm still pissed hot female teachers didn't moleste me. Seems like everyone is getting hot teacher ass these days.

No doubt man, I wanted some of hot teacher ass when I was in school. No such luck though.

[Trip]

I bet it happened as frequently in our day, except our generations weren't fucking retarded and kept our fucking mouths shut and got laid by the teacher.

[EpyonXero]

I love how the guy in the video thinks that this is a loophole that will allow teachers to "prey on our kids."

[LeeNetworX]

“I know he cares very deeply about her, but at this point the ball’s in her court,” Semrau said.

This part made me laugh.

[derf]

And who's to say that she didnt use him? What if she just wanted him or was just attracted to him? I have a few friends who will only date older ( by a decade or more) men. i see nothing wronmg with it, and yes she will probably regret the decision to sleep with him, along with her decision to sleep with 1/2 the other dudes she sleeps with. Its called lief

[Papa_Complex]

There is a duty for an adult who has been placed in a position of authority over children to at the very least say, "No." In many places this is actually law, regardless of the age of the student involved.

[Kaneman]

There is a duty for an adult who has been placed in a position of authority over children to at the very least say, "No." In many places this is actually law, regardless of the age of the student involved.

Well hell man, why didn't you say that earlier? I mean, if its law it must be just and correct right?

[goof2]

There is a duty for an adult who has been placed in a position of authority over children to at the very least say, "No." In many places this is actually law, regardless of the age of the student involved.

Unless that duty has been codified, which it hasn't been in Georgia, it may be a moral duty but it isn't a legal duty. The girl had also reached the age of consent in Georgia so the ages don't legally matter either. There were no laws broken and I don't really understand why it took a court to make that decision.

The teacher broke administrative rules so he is no longer teaching in the district and has lost his teaching certificate. There is nothing more that could have been done.

[z06boy]

I'm still pissed hot female teachers didn't moleste me. Seems like everyone is getting hot teacher ass these days.


:lol: Yep I know what you mean.

[Papa_Complex]

Well hell man, why didn't you say that earlier? I mean, if its law it must be just and correct right?

Unless that duty has been codified, which it hasn't been in Georgia, it may be a moral duty but it isn't a legal duty. The girl had also reached the age of consent in Georgia so the ages don't legally matter either. There were no laws broken and I don't really understand why it took a court to make that decision.

The teacher broke administrative rules so he is no longer teaching in the district and has lost his teaching certificate. There is nothing more that could have been done.

In this case IMHO the places that have codified this duty are correct. A school is not a singles bar for teachers to go trolling at.

[Kaneman]

In this case IMHO the places that have codified this duty are correct. A school is not a singles bar for teachers to go trolling at.

Right on, thank God there are people out there willing to take up the cause of telling us what is right in wrong in situations where no one is hurt and enforce their personal moral values with threat of fine or imprisonment. If it weren't for politicians, who would protect us from ourselves?

[Papa_Complex]

Right on, thank God there are people out there willing to take up the cause of telling us what is right in wrong in situations where no one is hurt and enforce their personal moral values with threat of fine or imprisonment. If it weren't for politicians, who would protect us from ourselves?

My oh my, you're getting mighty offended over that. Mind, I didn't say that they couldn't chase 17 year olds, just those who they have authority over.

[z06boy]

My oh my, you're getting mighty offended over that. Mind, I didn't say that they couldn't chase 17 year olds, just those who they have authority over.

Yeah I can't disagree with this either.

[goof2]

My oh my, you're getting mighty offended over that. Mind, I didn't say that they couldn't chase 17 year olds, just those who they have authority over.

So what should the age of consent be changed to specifically for cases where one person is in a position of authority?

[Papa_Complex]

So what should the age of consent be changed to specifically for cases where one person is in a position of authority?

Did I say that it should be?

[defector]

Did the teacher "get away with it", or did the teacher not break any laws?

While I disagree with what the teacher did, from my understanding is it was legal there. It was against the school districts rules, and now the teacher is no longer employed within that school district.

[Papa_Complex]

Did the teacher "get away with it", or did the teacher not break any laws?

While I disagree with what the teacher did, from my understanding is it was legal there. It was against the school districts rules, and now the teacher is no longer employed within that school district.

Which, given the laws and rules governing him in that location, was reasonable.

[defector]

Which, given the laws and rules governing him in that location, was reasonable.

Agreed.
In my estimation, the juice wasn't worth the squeeze in this case.

[goof2]

Did I say that it should be?

It sounds like it to me.:idk:

Mind, I didn't say that they couldn't chase 17 year olds, just those who they have authority over.

I read this as a 17 year old who can normally give consent no longer has that ability when they are giving it to someone who has authority over them. Should the restriction you seek be administrative (as it was in this case) or should it be legal? If legal, at what age would the chasee regain the ability to consent when dealing with someone who has authority over them?

[Papa_Complex]

It sounds like it to me.:idk:



I read this as a 17 year old who can normally give consent no longer has that ability when they are giving it to someone who has authority over them. Should the restriction you seek be administrative (as it was in this case) or should it be legal? If legal, at what age would the chasee regain the ability to consent when dealing with someone who has authority over them?

It isn't an age of consent issue, it's an authority issue. I see no reason why it can't be enshrined in law, as such interaction is an inducement to malfeasance. The age is immaterial.

[goof2]

It isn't an age of consent issue, it's an authority issue. I see no reason why it can't be enshrined in law, as such interaction is an inducement to malfeasance. The age is immaterial.

OK, carry it out past this specific case.

Would it be OK for a high school teacher to bang an 18 year old student? How about an idiot that was held back a few years and is 20 years old? It doesn't sound like these would be permissible since "age is immaterial".

Would it be OK for a college professor to bang a 17 or 18 year old student? The ages are the same and a similar authority issue is presented.

If that wouldn't be permissible, what if the college professor is banging a 20 year old, 25 year old, or 40 year old student?

How about a boss banging an 17 year old intern, 18 year old intern, 18 year old employee, or a 30 year old employee. All of these situations involve someone in a position of authority, often times more authority than a high school teacher has.

"an inducement to malfeasance" sounds legal and all, but it is really a bunch of BS. It means the same thing as "trying to do something I don't agree with". People in positions of authority sleep with those under them all the time. It should be handled administratively, not legally.

[Papa_Complex]

OK, carry it out past this specific case.

Would it be OK for a high school teacher to bang an 18 year old student? How about an idiot that was held back a few years and is 20 years old? It doesn't sound like these would be permissible since "age is immaterial".

Would it be OK for a college professor to bang a 17 or 18 year old student? The ages are the same and a similar authority issue is presented.

If that wouldn't be permissible, what if the college professor is banging a 20 year old, 25 year old, or 40 year old student?

How about a boss banging an 17 year old intern, 18 year old intern, 18 year old employee, or a 30 year old employee. All of these situations involve someone in a position of authority, often times more authority than a high school teacher has.

"an inducement to malfeasance" sounds legal and all, but it is really a bunch of BS. It means the same thing as "trying to do something I don't agree with". People in positions of authority sleep with those under them all the time. It should be handled administratively, not legally.

I believe that I already answered that.

[goof2]

I believe that I already answered that.

Really? All I have read from you is that something should be "enshrined in law". What that something is has yet to be defined.

[Papa_Complex]

Really? All I have read from you is that something should be "enshrined in law". What that something is has yet to be defined.

Correction: I said that I see no reason why it couldn't be enshrined in law and stated that it was a authority issue, not an age issue.

Verstehen sie?

[Kaneman]

My oh my, you're getting mighty offended over that. Mind, I didn't say that they couldn't chase 17 year olds, just those who they have authority over.

I'm almost impossible to offend, so no.

And I disagree. If you're not having sex with a child then its just plain on consensual sex. Period.

[goof2]

Correction: I said that I see no reason why it couldn't be enshrined in law and stated that it was a authority issue, not an age issue.

Verstehen sie?

I stand corrected. At the same time the questions still stand, and despite your contention haven't been answered, about how it would work. If age is irrelevant how would you envision the law be written to account for those situations? Each one involves people in an authority position, some with more authority than a high school teacher has. Unless I am mistaken, if authority really is the issue and age is irrelevant each one of those situations could, in your view, be illegal.

[karl_1052]

I'm almost impossible to offend, so no.

And I disagree. If you're not having sex with a child then its just plain on consensual sex. Period.

Not always.
there are tons on instances where bosses take advantage of subordinates.

[Kaneman]

Not always.
there are tons on instances where bosses take advantage of subordinates.

Take advantage of, or rape?

[Papa_Complex]

Not always.
there are tons on instances where bosses take advantage of subordinates.

Or, perhaps, a teacher says, "You're going to fail, unless......"

[Papa_Complex]

I stand corrected. At the same time the questions still stand, and despite your contention haven't been answered, about how it would work. If age is irrelevant how would you envision the law be written to account for those situations? Each one involves people in an authority position, some with more authority than a high school teacher has. Unless I am mistaken, if authority really is the issue and age is irrelevant each one of those situations could, in your view, be illegal.

I should think that is also self evident, from my previous response. I am speaking only of a student-teacher relationship.

[goof2]

Or, perhaps, a teacher says, "You're going to fail, unless......"

Under these circumstances (and the "taking advantage of" situation) consent doesn't exist as it is gained under duress. That is already illegal.

[Papa_Complex]

Under these circumstances (and the "taking advantage of" situation) consent doesn't exist as it is gained under duress. That is already illegal.

And rather hard to prove.

[goof2]

I should think that is also self evident, from my previous response. I am speaking only of a student-teacher relationship.

Apparently not.:idk:

As I previously stated there are a number of authority-subordinate relationships that have at least the same, if not greater, control compared to a student-teacher relationship. Why would consensual sex be illegal in only under this particular set of circumstances?

Personally I don't like the idea of making consensual sex a crime based on a prima facie assumption of coercion or duress.

[goof2]

And rather hard to prove.

The testimony of one party vs. another. It is the same thing for rape. It doesn't change the fact that it is illegal.

[Smittie61984]

Just a reminder that a few weeks ago we had a teacher forced to resign because of private FB photos AND in the same week a teacher was suspended WITH PAY for putting a hit out on a student.

[Quick281]

Some days I don't even miss GA.

[derf]

Ok so I still tend to think that while there might have been something wrong proffessionally with a teacher sleeping with a student, there is nothing illegal about it. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with a 35 year old guy sleeping with a 17 year old girl. 99% of the 17 year old girls out there act and think exactly the same as 21 year old girls, they just have ingested far fewer rufees in their life, and at that age are very much (IMHO) predatory with their bodies. Over the weekend I over heard a conversation my 16 yr old niece was having with a friend about how much cleavage it would take for the dude at the movie theater to let them in for free, its not a hard jump to see the conection beween being atractive and helping get what you want in life. Sex with girls under 18 happens, its just how much we as a population choose to ignore it, and the fact that yes sometimes they do ask for it.

[Kaneman]

Ok so I still tend to think that while there might have been something wrong proffessionally with a teacher sleeping with a student, there is nothing illegal about it. Nor do I think there is anything wrong with a 35 year old guy sleeping with a 17 year old girl. 99% of the 17 year old girls out there act and think exactly the same as 21 year old girls, they just have ingested far fewer rufees in their life, and at that age are very much (IMHO) predatory with their bodies. Over the weekend I over heard a conversation my 16 yr old niece was having with a friend about how much cleavage it would take for the dude at the movie theater to let them in for free, its not a hard jump to see the conection beween being atractive and helping get what you want in life. Sex with girls under 18 happens, its just how much we as a population choose to ignore it, and the fact that yes sometimes they do ask for it.

Strangely it seems most people still haven't figured this whole "real world" thing out yet.

[Particle Man]

funny how they keep not showing her face... but looking down her v-neck shirt at her boobs :lol:

[fasternyou929]

funny how they keep not showing her face... but looking down her v-neck shirt at her boobs :lol:

It's how we show respect for a minor's privacy. :whatwhat: