DROID vs. iPhone

[shmike]

I know the phone topic has been beat to death but here goes...

The wife wants a new phone, preferably an iPhone.

We are currently with Verizon, I prefer to stay there.

The phone will be used for calls, texting, pics, web browsing and music. Nothing overly complex.

Being user friendly is more important than being the most elite phone on the market.

No contract issues but I can buy the Droid for $99 vs. $199 for the iPhone.

So, which do I buy?



Edit: I meant to make a poll...

[Trip]

Look at some of the other HTC android OS phones. I am not a fan of motorola. AT&T hassle is not worth an iphone.

[shmike]

Look at some of the other HTC android OS phones. I am not a fan of motorola. AT&T hassle is not worth an iphone.

I agree with the AT&T part.

What's not to like about Motorola?

Thanks for the poll! :dthumb:

[HurricaneHeather]

I am a phone dummy and don't care about what's better, I like easy. It simply doesn't get any easier than the iPhone. If she's ever used iTunes or even an iPod, she can figure it out within minutes.

But, I am not going to debate it, this is just my opinion.

[EpyonXero]

Im a fan of Apple, I have a Touch and wanted an iPhone. However, I got a Droid and I love it. The Droid is definitely the most elite (IMO) phone out now BUT it is not quite as user friendly as the iPhone. The basic functions out of the box are easy enough but if you really want to make the most of it you have to put some effort into customizing it. There are a bunch of things it can do that the iPhone cant but its up to the user to find and install those applications.

Now when it comes to music the iPhone beats it hands down. Its easy to connect the Droid to any computer and drop music onto the device, there are also programs that will manually sync the Droids library with your iTunes library. But it nowhere near as easy as plugging your iPhone/iPod in and having it sync automatically with iTunes. Also the iPhone music player is much better when it comes to organizing songs and playlists.

AT&T sucks but im sure your wife would like the iPhone better.

[defector]

Was recently in the same situation as you, and went with the Droid since we are already with Verizon. About a month in, and no problems thus far.

[shmike]

Was recently in the same situation as you, and went with the Droid since we are already with Verizon. About a month in, and no problems thus far.

How do you find it for ease of use?

Based on the posts above, it look like the iPhone wins hands down.

[Homeslice]

AT&T sucks but im sure your wife would like the iPhone better.

Agreed.

Droid is for the person (usually a guy) who likes to spend time customizing shit, looking around for the newest & greatest apps, bragging about open source, etc.

[defector]

Pretty simple as far as I am concerned, considering it was my first "smartphone".
I don't have a ton of experience with an Iphone, so I cant directly compare.

ETA* Verizon let me have a trial one for a week before I actually purchased it.

[pauldun170]

Also looking at the droid and I am a Verizon customer.

The only thing I really care about is wifi and decent browser (along with decent call quality). I'd like something where I can browse the internet WITHOUT needing a data plan. Also the abilty to just drag and drop videos and music would be great.

Wife has the iTouch and its ok from a UI standpoint but damn is that thing a POS sometimes. Pisses me off that I have to use iTunes just to load stuff on it. Way overated bloatware.

[Dave]

droid!

[BobTheBiker]

Having sampled an iPhone, and a Droid design, droid is hands down the winner in user friendliness. the iPhone I just walked away from in absolute disgust in like 30 seconds. the droid, well I played with it as long as I could.

droid just offers SO much more potential, and is just cooler.

[marko138]

I dont have a Droid or iPhone but I do have ATT and I hate them. I'm switching soon.

[Trip]

What's not to like about Motorola?

I am not a fan of their designs. Some of the user input and the design of the phone itself wasn't well thought out.

Keep in mind, droid is just the first to have Android 2.0. All the HTC phones on 1.6 are going to go to 2.0 eventually and there will be plenty of upcoming phones using Android 2.0. It's not like the iphone, the Android 2.0 OS will be on lots of different styled phones. I would wait a few months if that is an option to see what is out next in the 2.0 upgrades. That's what I am doing.

[dReWpY]

i have a droid and this thing is easy enough for me to use, and im pretty computertarded....
i love it, i almost never use my mac any more, only for word and ecel

[LeeNetworX]

EZ choice. If my neighbor (she's a true blonde) can use an iPhone, it's easy enough for any to use. Too bad AT&T service sucks moose cock, however...

[Sixxxxer]

Fuck em Both and Get a Blackberry :)

[Dave]

I am not a fan of their designs. Some of the user input and the design of the phone itself wasn't well thought out.

Keep in mind, droid is just the first to have Android 2.0. All the HTC phones on 1.6 are going to go to 2.0 eventually and there will be plenty of upcoming phones using Android 2.0. It's not like the iphone, the Android 2.0 OS will be on lots of different styled phones. I would wait a few months if that is an option to see what is out next in the 2.0 upgrades. That's what I am doing.

im the exact opposite. That monolithic boxy slider design is exactly what ive been waiting for. Just gotta stay paitient till i can afford one

[Trip]

im the exact opposite. That monolithic boxy slider design is exactly what ive been waiting for. Just gotta stay paitient till i can afford one

The touchpad on the right of the keyboard is kinda annoying. It needed to be on the left.

[Dave]

The touchpad on the right of the keyboard is kinda annoying. It needed to be on the left.

you a leftie? Any other slider ive messed with had that stuff on the right.

[BobTheBiker]

I'm actually stuck with my current phone til june, so when its time to upgrade, odds are good I'm gonna have a LOT of options.

Tmobile offers a barcode scanner app for droid phones, as a freebie, something I learned browsing their catalog. they have some apps that really, are just pretty badass. iphones have a lot of apps, like a GIANT app store, but honestly I dont think their apps are as cool.

[neebelung]

We're huge lovers of the iPhone, and we've literally never had a problem with AT & T... that said, I've tinkered with a couple of Droids, and been very impressed with them. Definitely a cool gadget... so if you can get it for half the price, and you're not a fan of AT & T, it sounds like it's the way to go for you.

[Trip]

We're huge lovers of the iPhone, and we've literally never had a problem with AT & T...

Except when you came up here and had spotty service. :nee:

I was reading a tech review today that said a lot of AT&T problems that have been blamed on the company is actually Apple hardware issues. Poor radio code and them being new to cell programming/hardware has really put more of the bad service issues on apple vs AT&T. Also if a new verizon version for LTE comes out in 2010, it could bring similar issues to Verizon.

[marko138]

Except when you came up here and had spotty service. :nee:

I was reading a tech review today that said a lot of AT&T problems that have been blamed on the company is actually Apple hardware issues. Poor radio code and them being new to cell programming/hardware has really put more of the bad service issues on apple vs AT&T. Also if a new verizon version for LTE comes out in 2010, it could bring similar issues to Verizon.
I dont have the iPhone and the ATT coverage is shitty around here.

[Trip]

I dont have the iPhone and the ATT coverage is shitty around here.

I like AT&T's response to Verizon's 3G map ads. Verizon's 3G map ads are accurate. Verizon has that much more of EVDO than AT&T's 3G. AT&T's response to try to make you think there is more is false, because he only mentions large cities and the 3G map is really that limited. They do have service in a lot more places than the Verizon map shows, but it's not 3G.

[neebelung]

Except when you came up here and had spotty service. :nee:


NO one had service up there, not just AT & T customers. :nee:

(and we didn't have our iPhones then, so it wasn't the phone :shrug:)

[marko138]

I like AT&T's response to Verizon's 3G map ads. Verizon's 3G map ads are accurate. Verizon has that much more of EVDO than AT&T's 3G. AT&T's response to try to make you think there is more is false, because he only mentions large cities and the 3G map is really that limited. They do have service in a lot more places than the Verizon map shows, but it's not 3G.
Yeah...both are wrong. I know that based on coverage I have around my area with ATT and what coverage friends and fam have with Verizon.

[Trip]

NO one had service up there, not just AT & T customers. :nee:

There is a lot of that area that does have service for CDMA users. The Gap is different since it is surrounded by national park and they don't like cell towers being placed in those. It's a lot rarer to find areas for AT&T. Like where I work. I have EVDO, the AT&T users don't even have service.

So as long as you stay in cities, you may be fine, but if you want to venture out, service does become an issue a lot faster for an AT&T user. There really isn't a debate on this topic, it's service area each company has with their towers which is why people are praying for iphone to go Verizon.

[Trip]

Yeah...both are wrong. I know that based on coverage I have around my area with ATT and what coverage friends and fam have with Verizon.

Based on 3G or just service?

[marko138]

Based on 3G or just service?
Just plain old voice service.

[Homeslice]

In my experience, ATT =

1) annoying delays between when you speak and when the other person hears it
2) voice mails that sometimes show up hours after the person actually left them :confused:
3) dropped calls

With that being said, iPhone is superior..... It's like a solid ingot. The Droid is just an ordinary flexible, squeaky slider phone that creaks & flexes & makes noise when you squeeze it.

[dReWpY]

Verizion>at&t
Droid>iphone
Just saying....

[shmike]

With that being said, iPhone is superior..... It's like a solid ingot. The Droid is just an ordinary flexible, squeaky slider phone that creaks & flexes & makes noise when you squeeze it.

She's not really much of a phone-squeezer. :scratch:

[Trip]

Just plain old voice service.

The Verizon map commercials are solely based on 3G service, which is why AT&T sued them because it was confusing stupid people that don't understand 3G.

[HurricaneHeather]

She's not really much of a phone-squeezer. :scratch:

:lol:

Have you noticed that the boys are the ones who say the droid is user-friendly? :lol:

Unless she's a geek, I'd vote iPhone. I don't have any problems with AT&T that everyone is so afraid of. Hubby has the iPhone and has never dropped a call and unless you live in the boonies, I can't see you not having 3G coverage. :shrug:

[Homeslice]

She's not really much of a phone-squeezer. :scratch:

Everyone is, they just don't think about it. I however do.......I am a design freak, which means I appreciate things that were made with good design that "feel good" in my hands. The Droid isn't special, it's just another cellphone loaded with too many buttons. And if you text so much that you want a keypad, then just dial the person and fucking speak to them instead. :lol:

[Trip]

With that being said, iPhone is superior..... It's like a solid ingot. The Droid is just an ordinary flexible, squeaky slider phone that creaks & flexes & makes noise when you squeeze it.

Of course the iphone is much more robust in it's solidness, they are trying damn hard to make sure you can't get in there to do something crazy like replace the battery or upgrade your memory.

[neebelung]

There is a lot of that area that does have service for CDMA users. The Gap is different since it is surrounded by national park and they don't like cell towers being placed in those. It's a lot rarer to find areas for AT&T. Like where I work. I have EVDO, the AT&T users don't even have service.

So as long as you stay in cities, you may be fine, but if you want to venture out, service does become an issue a lot faster for an AT&T user. There really isn't a debate on this topic, it's service area each company has with their towers which is why people are praying for iphone to go Verizon.

:shrug: Wasn't debating, merely stating we've not had problems (but then, other than the Gap, we're not in rural areas... um... well almost ever. :lol: )

[Homeslice]

Of course the iphone is much more robust in it's solidness, they are trying damn hard to make sure you can't get in there to do something crazy like replace the battery or upgrade your memory.

:lol:

[marko138]

Everyone is, they just don't think about it. I however do.......I am a design freak, which means I appreciate things that were made with good design that "feel good" in my hands. The Droid isn't special, it's just another cellphone loaded with too many buttons. And if you text so much that you want a keypad, then just dial the person and fucking speak to them instead. :lol:
Guy, you gotta come to grips with the fact that people don't wanna speak to other people. Despite that, they still need to communicate with other humans. The full keyboard on the phone is here for the long haul.

I suggest you get a tall mug of beer and think about that.

[EpyonXero]

Guy, you gotta come to grips with the fact that people don't wanna speak to other people. Despite that, they still need to communicate with other humans. The full keyboard on the phone is here for the long haul.

I suggest you get a tall mug of beer and think about that.

I dont know why but I hate talking on the phone to people so I text mostly. Even at work, id rather walk to someones office and ask them a question face to face than call their extension.

[marko138]

I dont know why but I hate talking on the phone to people so I text mostly. Even at work, id rather walk to someones office and ask them a question face to face than call their extension.
I hate talking on the phone, period. So I text. Quite honestly, there are very few people I want to speak with face to face either.

[BobTheBiker]

Yep. texting just works better for me. I DESPISE talking on the phone. with a PASSION. some people I just wanna ignore completely.

if I had it my way, everything would translate to a text message, I hate phone convos THAT much.

[marko138]

Yep. texting just works better for me. I DESPISE talking on the phone. with a PASSION. some people I just wanna ignore completely.

if I had it my way, everything would translate to a text message, I hate phone convos THAT much.
Let me know when you get in on that, I'm interested.

[Tmall]

Txt only phones? We may be on to something...

[pdog]

Our iphones were great when we went to Italy this summer. Didn't have to bring a laptop at all and could upload pictures directly to facebook for friends/family to see. Just have to disable roaming/data so you don't pay an obscene amount per KB.

I like having the pervasive App Store. 100,000 apps that do everything you can imagine.

[Method]

I find it pretty humorous that taters whore of an ex wife is winning out over the Iphone.

[JARVIS518]

love my moto droid, i have no problems very easy to use. get the droid

[BobTheBiker]

I find it pretty humorous that taters whore of an ex wife is winning out over the Iphone.

she must be an absolutely superior communication device then.

[Amber Lamps]

Txt only phones? We may be on to something...

Side-kick... yea I know you can use it for a phone but who does? US Cellular sells a text only plan, btw. My old phone did "speech to text" which was nice, I guess you could get an air card and text from your net book...

[Rangerscott]

1. How are you able to get the droid for $99? The cheapest I've seen is $150 on verizon online with existing customer.

2. Unless you live in a big city, these companies dont give a shit about your service. Luckily though my non-3G verizon phone can out beat a 3G iphone on internet usage. Suck it.


I've only heard from one person that he has "never" had problems with ATT billing. I've seen some ATT bills and it's like they have chimps with number refrigerator magnets and they just re-arrange them and that's your bill cost for the month.

[Rangerscott]

In my experience, ATT =

1) annoying delays between when you speak and when the other person hears it
2) voice mails that sometimes show up hours after the person actually left them :confused:
3) dropped calls

With that being said, iPhone is superior..... It's like a solid ingot. The Droid is just an ordinary flexible, squeaky slider phone that creaks & flexes & makes noise when you squeeze it.


http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/11/Verizon_Chooses_LTE.jpg

[Dave]

In my experience, ATT =

1) annoying delays between when you speak and when the other person hears it
2) voice mails that sometimes show up hours after the person actually left them :confused:
3) dropped calls

With that being said, iPhone is superior..... It's like a solid ingot. The Droid is just an ordinary flexible, squeaky slider phone that creaks & flexes & makes noise when you squeeze it.

no keyboard, no expansion, no changing the battery when it inevitably fails. and how long did ya'll have to do without mms again?

[pauldun170]

In my experience, ATT =

1) annoying delays between when you speak and when the other person hears it
2) voice mails that sometimes show up hours after the person actually left them :confused:
3) dropped calls

With that being said, iPhone is superior..... It's like a solid ingot. The Droid is just an ordinary flexible, squeaky slider phone that creaks & flexes & makes noise when you squeeze it.


So, in other words the iPhone is superior as long as you exclude the whole "phone" part.

[Trip]

So, in other words the iPhone is superior as long as you exclude the whole "phone" part.

I would say Android 2.0 vs Iphone OS is about equal with their pros and cons. The apps put iphone in front as far as smart phone though. Hundreds of thousands vs twenty thousand.

The thing with Android is there is no gatekeeper to the apps that will be available. This will give it an advantage in the long run because developers won't have to worry about pleasing Apple or AT&T when they make an app.

[pdog]

If you do get an iphone, make sure you buy my app, Zinger. Only $0.99. :D

[itgirl]

ok, at the risk of sounding stupid and too lazy to google it can someone explain to me what 3G really is?

[Rangerscott]

From what I know, 3G is a "network" that cellphone companies use. Suppose to be fast blah blah blah.


You can't count all the iphone apps. There are tons and tons of useless apps out there.

[Homeslice]

ok, at the risk of sounding stupid and too lazy to google it can someone explain to me what 3G really is?
Something that is overhyped, doesn't deliver as promised, and will be outdated pretty soon anyway.

So, in other words the iPhone is superior as long as you exclude the whole "phone" part.

Sounds like most of you don't use a phone as a phone anyway :shrug:

[Rider]

ok, at the risk of sounding stupid and too lazy to google it can someone explain to me what 3G really is?

A slower version of 4G. :lol

[pauldun170]

Something that is overhyped, doesn't deliver as promised, and will be outdated pretty soon anyway.



Sounds like most of you don't use a phone as a phone anyway :shrug:

I actually use my phone as a phone. The extras are nice (iPhone) but at the minimum it has to be a good phone.

In this area, the droid offers what the iPhone cant. Decent phone service in addition to all the bells and whistles. Has nothing to do with whatever generalization you want to make.

WIFI + good browser + phone service that actually works + the rest of the toys and apps = win

In this area, iTouch > iPhone and thats because of the app library. As a pmp device (music and videos) there are better products out there than the itouch.

I think that the itouch\iphone are great products. I'm just not as much of fruity "tickle the grape"s kinda guy about it as you seem to be.

[shmike]

1. How are you able to get the droid for $99? The cheapest I've seen is $150 on verizon online with existing customer.


The 2-yr price is $299, online it is $199 after their instant rebate.

I am eligible for a $100 credit toward any phone because I am an existing customer and my contract is up.

[EpyonXero]

ok, at the risk of sounding stupid and too lazy to google it can someone explain to me what 3G really is?

3G is the "3rd generation" voice/data network. I think 1G was analog cellular, 2G was digital voice and slow data (wasnt really made for data), 3G is the current standard with fairly fast data and digital voice. 4G will start rolling out in 2010 with very fast data speeds.

[Homeslice]

In this area, the droid offers what the iPhone cant. Decent phone service .

Is there any actual proof of this? What, just because the Droid is made by a certain manufacturer, then it automatically has good reception & voice quality? I'd like to see actual test results of the specific model, instead of internet generalizations based on manufacturer.

And as for WiFi, I'd rather pay for an actual data plan rather than having to constrain my data usage to hotspots.

[Trip]

There is lots of proof droid service is better than iphone. With droid I can be doing what I am doing now. Sitting on the crapper at work posting via 3g. With an iphone there is no service whatsoever here. Att has a smaller network. if you stay in major cities than this won't apply to you.

[marko138]

There is lots of proof droid service is better than iphone. With droid I can be doing what I am doing now. Sitting on the crapper at work posting via 3g. With an iphone there is no service whatsoever here. Att has a smaller network. if you stay in major cities than this won't apply to you.
I'm not sure how many times this has to be posted. It's been stated several times by several people. ATT sucks outside of cities. Period. I have ATT and will testify to this all fucking day long.

[pauldun170]

Is there any actual proof of this? What, just because the Droid is made by a certain manufacturer, then it automatically has good reception & voice quality? I'd like to see actual test results of the specific model, instead of internet generalizations based on manufacturer.

And as for WiFi, I'd rather pay for an actual data plan rather than having to constrain my data usage to hotspots.



Lets recap

ATT SUCKS round here.
Even when you have a STRONG signal on the iPhone, it's not as good as other services.

As a phone it sucks in this area. Take a poll, ask around....shit even in this thread there are comments on how ATT sucks.

As a device, If half the people I know have had to return it because of some bullshit hardware issue like the home button taking a dump or it flaking out then guess what. I'm not going to put it on some pedestal.

As for the UI...its good.

Why the hell are you being so critical of the droid and people who want it?

[pauldun170]

as for you and a data plan....good for you. Shell out as much money as you want to be able to surf where ever you want.

I don't need that. I'm fine with hotspots and see no need to waste money on a data plan.

[defector]

Why the hell are you being so critical of the droid and people who want it?

Fucking hipsters.
:lol

[Homeslice]

Well IMO the true "hipsters/bandwagoners" are the ones who slam Apple any chance they get.

Seems like one of the following:

1) inferiority complex
2) jealousy that Apple gets a lot of media attention
3) bragging about Droid's open source, regardless if they'll ever actually see an advantage from it
4) complaining about Apple's batteries, regardless if they keep phones long enough to experience a problem with their battery
5) proclaiming that Droid is easier to use when it's not :lol:
6) too fucking cheap to buy a data plan even though they prolly have a $4K TV and buy $500 worth of video games a year :lol:

[Trip]

1) inferiority complex
no, I would of probably tried out an iphone if it was available on verizon to see if it was ATT or the phone that has problems with dropping calls

2) jealousy that Apple gets a lot of media attention
really? Who gives a shit about the media? Sorry I don't get my gadget knowledge from them.

3) bragging about Droid's open source, regardless if they'll ever actually see an advantage from it
Open source is awesome. Why is this a bad thing to you?

4) complaining about Apple's batteries, regardless if they keep phones long enough to experience a problem with their battery
Not having a replaceable battery is a bad thing, especially when their battery life is among the shortest of any phone out there. Sometimes it's nice to be able to get a spare or a long life battery.

5) proclaiming that Droid is easier to use when it's not :lol:
no it's not, apple is known for making stuff so easy a fucking monkey could play with it. That's why dumbasses love it. They don't have to think for themselves to press buttons to operate it and get confused.

6) too fucking cheap to buy a data plan even though they prolly have a $4K TV and buy $500 worth of video games a year :lol:
I have a data plan...

iphone bashers are just as bad as iphone lovers. The phone definitely has a love/hate relationship with the world. There really is no grey area.

[Homeslice]

Well I'm not 25 anymore, so I don't have the patience to read an inch-thick owners manual, or sign up to a bunch of forums to find the latest tips, tricks, apps, UIs, and updates for it. Sometimes simple is better. To me it's just a tool, it's supposed to free your time not take your time. I don't want to have to join some l337 squad forum and search through a bunch of threads just to get advice on it.

There's always this claim that anyone who buys an Apple product only did it because it's hip. Maybe they are just an ordinary consumer who makes choices, like any other consumer? Part of those choices is simplicity & being nice to use. To some that is more important than other factors.

As for dropped calls & other issues, I'm betting most of that is ATT and not the iPhone. I already told you I've had issues with ATT with other phones.

[pauldun170]

Anyway...droid users..

How is it with videos and music?
Is it a drag and drop affair or do you have to worry about conversion?
I have over 200 movies in various formats (WMV, AVI) and my music library is mostly mp3 with a couple of flacs.....everything tagged.

Can you just copy em over usb and thats that?

[Trip]

Well I'm not 25 anymore, so I don't have the patience to read an inch-thick owners manual, or sign up to a bunch of forums to find the latest tips, tricks, apps, UIs, and updates for it. Sometimes simple is better. To me it's just a tool, it's supposed to free your time not take your time. I don't want to have to join some l337 squad forum and search through a bunch of threads just to get advice on it.

There's always this claim that anyone who buys an Apple product only did it because it's hip. Maybe they are just an ordinary consumer who makes choices, like any other consumer? Part of those choices is simplicity & being nice to use. To some that is more important than other factors.

As for dropped calls & other issues, I'm betting most of that is ATT and not the iPhone. I already told you I've had issues with ATT with other phones.

Jeez, the droid is not that hard. If you have a shred of intelligence, you can work it without needing that stuff.

Well that is the stereotype associated with the company. You aren't going to change that. Apple has to change that and I doubt they will because that's their market. So you are screwed. Kinda like Suzuki and squids.

Actually there are several tech articles out there showing that it may be Apple's radio code and chips that are responsible for a lot of the problems. AT&T does have problems with their network beyond that though, because a lot of their customers complain about it that don't have iphones. That's why I want to see the iphone go to a different network to see if it is AT&T or the phone.

[Amber Lamps]

Jeez, the droid is not that hard. If you have a shred of intelligence, you can work it without needing that stuff.

Well that is the stereotype associated with the company. You aren't going to change that. Apple has to change that and I doubt they will because that's their market. So you are screwed. Kinda like Suzuki and squids.

Actually there are several tech articles out there showing that it may be Apple's radio code and chips that are responsible for a lot of the problems. AT&T does have problems with their network beyond that though, because a lot of their customers complain about it that don't have iphones. That's why I want to see the iphone go to a different network to see if it is AT&T or the phone.

Yea AT&T is pretty bad. Unfortunately, T-Mobile just got worse because they lost their partnership with AT&T and with it their towers. On the upside, T-Mobile let me out of my contract and unlocked my phone. Now I have to decide where to go from here... the Droid is tempting but I'm not a fan of Verizon's rate plans. I have little interest in surfing the net... I'll probably get something like the Omnia II or a similar phone. I'm really going to miss that 8M camera on my phone though... We'll see, I bought a sim card and got a go phone plan to test AT&T out before I make a final decision.

If I were choosing between the I-Phone and the Droid and the network didn't matter, I'd go with the Droid because it has a better camera set-up, a real keyboard, unlocked wifi (wifi is faster than 3g I believe) for when you are in a hotspot or at home/work, better video, can be used as a BT modem, and the replaceable battery can be a big deal. It was on my GPS decision. $25 vs $80 to send in for replacement. Personally, I don't like Apple or Motorola. Almost everything I've ever purchased from Moto has been fucking junk!!! My reasons for my disdain of Apple has been covered in this thread already. What I want is a phone with a large touch screen, a slide out keyboard, an 8M+ camera with a fucking real flash, please, on a network with good coverage that will give me unlimited phone and text for under $60!!! I though I was there with T-Mobile...oh well.

[defector]

Anyway...droid users..

How is it with videos and music?
Is it a drag and drop affair or do you have to worry about conversion?
I have over 200 movies in various formats (WMV, AVI) and my music library is mostly mp3 with a couple of flacs.....everything tagged.

Can you just copy em over usb and thats that?


Yes. Drag and drop (with mp3's anyway) haven't tried with video.

[Homeslice]

What I want is a phone with a large touch screen, a slide out keyboard, an 8M+ camera with a fucking real flash, please, on a network with good coverage that will give me unlimited phone and text for under $60!!! I though I was there with T-Mobile...oh well.

There should be a Samsung that has all that.

[Homeslice]

AT&T does have problems with their network beyond that though, because a lot of their customers complain about it that don't have iphones. That's why I want to see the iphone go to a different network to see if it is AT&T or the phone.

Apparently it's not going to happen.......at least not with Verizon. Too much investment necessary to make it compatible (and ATT is probably paying Apple off in some way)

[Kaneman]

What about Sprint, does anyone use them anymore?

[defector]

What about Sprint, does anyone use them anymore?

I had them for my work phone and they suck. At 2 of my shops I couldn't get a signal, so I dropped the 2 way radio option and changed carriers to Verizon. Problem solved. (And no more shitty 2 way).

[Homeslice]

What about Sprint, does anyone use them anymore?

I use them for a laptop card, it's OK but don't ever try to call them......Their customer service is bottom-barrel.

[Kaneman]

I use them for a laptop card, it's OK but don't ever try to call them......Their customer service is bottom-barrel.

I had them for years, won't be going back. I'm satisfied with ATT 3G coverage here in the metroplex. I tried an HTC Touch 2 that my Dad has and hated it. Took 3x as long to do everything on that as it does my iPhone, even just opening a photo.

The big debate always seems to be Verizon vs. ATT. Sprint doesn't seem as relevant now.

[Amber Lamps]

I had them for years, won't be going back. I'm satisfied with ATT 3G coverage here in the metroplex. I tried an HTC Touch 2 that my Dad has and hated it. Took 3x as long to do everything on that as it does my iPhone, even just opening a photo.

The big debate always seems to be Verizon vs. ATT. Sprint doesn't seem as relevant now.

true.

[Amorok]

Sprint sucks. Veizon sucked when I had them, the only reason they're worth a shit is they paid all that money for Alltels network. AT&T has better phones and plans, but they need to work on their coverage nationwide. Also, they should really put more priority on getting their 4G network up and running. The next generation of iPhone could be ready any tome but without a network to support it we're all getting screwed.

[Trip]

they should really put more priority on getting their 4G network up and running.

Hell they don't even put priority on 3G...

[Amber Lamps]

Hell they don't even put priority on 3G...

Total truth! Maybe, I'm naive but I'm still amazed that we don't a better cell coverage in this country yet.

[Rangerscott]

Found out that I'm good for an upgrade. Looks like I'll be looking at the droid tomorrow.

[EpyonXero]

Anyway...droid users..

How is it with videos and music?
Is it a drag and drop affair or do you have to worry about conversion?
I have over 200 movies in various formats (WMV, AVI) and my music library is mostly mp3 with a couple of flacs.....everything tagged.

Can you just copy em over usb and thats that?

Droid: Plug in your USB cable, click a button on your Droid to mount the device and it will show up as a USB storage device on your desktop. Then you can drag and drop whatever files you want.

AVI/MP4 play well, im sure it plays mpg but I havent tried it. I tried one WMV which it started to play but stopped, might have been the file. This is with the built in player.

[marko138]

What about Sprint, does anyone use them anymore?

I'm going to Sprint when I'm done with ATT.

[Rangerscott]

I'm a drag/drop user. I have so many files, that syncing causes a cluster fuck.


Sprint sucks donkey dong here. My father has had to uses them for his business phone for years and they are just like ATT. If you're not in a major city than reception sucks. When you can't even make a call on a PHONE then that should tell you something.

[pauldun170]

Droid: Plug in your USB cable, click a button on your Droid to mount the device and it will show up as a USB storage device on your desktop. Then you can drag and drop whatever files you want.

AVI/MP4 play well, im sure it plays mpg but I havent tried it. I tried one WMV which it started to play but stopped, might have been the file. This is with the built in player.

Awesome.


Screw iPhone

[Rangerscott]

Watching youtube vids and love the apple fan boy comments. Why do people get so scared when something else comes out that gives other a run for its money?

When I bought my tv, I didnt get all school girl pissy when they came out with 120hz.

[Rangerscott]

Does best buy do upgrade renewals? Do they do the instant rebate so I dont have to mail it off?

[Rangerscott]

Posting from Droid (say it in robot voice)

[dReWpY]

i actaully perfer the whole site on the droid over the mobile one

[Rangerscott]

Wow. They tested 11 BIG ASS cities and declared a winner for NATION WIDE 3G coverage. Great, so I should get the same results here in my small city. Dumbasses.

http://gizmodo.com/5428343/our-2009-12+city-3g-data-mega-test-att-won?skyline=true&s=x

[Homeslice]

ATT has always been full of it. Their TV ads are now saying "the fastest network" :bs: and "the most apps" (no shit, but that's only if you shop iTunes)

[fasternyou929]

ATT has always been full of it. Their TV ads are now saying "the fastest network" :bs: and "the most apps" (no shit, but that's only if you shop iTunes)

Well, AT&T does have the fastest network, just not the best coverage. They have to come up with something to combat Verizon kicking their asses all over the place with 3G coverage advertisements.

And for those speculating on iPhone's performance as a phone, it's known industry-wide as a low performer when it comes to phone calls. If Apple hadn't given AT&T exclusivity, I doubt they would have accepted it as-is. AT&T's network is also known for a high number of dropped calls, so it's not JUST the phone.

[Rangerscott]

I was talking with someone and he said the companies are trying to get everyone to txt more since it takes up hardly any bandwith unlike voice calls.

True/false?

[fasternyou929]

I was talking with someone and he said the companies are trying to get everyone to txt more since it takes up hardly any bandwith unlike voice calls.

True/false?True that it takes up less bandwidth (actually, none). SMS messages fit in defined "dead spots" between information packets passing through the network, making their load all but invisible. That is why each message is limited to a certain number of characters.

Whether or not carriers are pushing SMS over voice communications, I can't say I've heard either way.

[Rangerscott]

Everyone, stop txt'ing. You're just making them more money. LOL

[marko138]

Everyone, stop txt'ing. You're just making them more money. LOL
We've gone too far to turn back now.

[G-Rex]

Everyone bitching about ATT needs to come clean. If you hate the iPhone just say so. I've had SBC/Cingular/ATT for 10 years. I've also been all over the country and probably where alot of you live at one point or another. This lack of coverage everyone is complaining about I simply haven't seen. The only place in North America I have been where I didn't have coverage was Alaska. No big surprise there.

I believe there are dead spots. I just have a hard time believing it is as wide spread as this thread makes it seem.

My best friend with a Verizon phone has shitty service everywhere, so it works both ways.

[marko138]

Everyone bitching about ATT needs to come clean. If you hate the iPhone just say so. I've had SBC/Cingular/ATT for 10 years. I've also been all over the country and probably where alot of you live at one point or another. This lack of coverage everyone is complaining about I simply haven't seen. The only place in North America I have been where I didn't have coverage was Alaska. No big surprise there.

I believe there are dead spots. I just have a hard time believing it is as wide spread as this thread makes it seem.

My best friend with a Verizon phone has shitty service everywhere, so it works both ways.
I've been with ATT/Cingular/et al for 10 years too, buddy. Come to Central PA, I'll show you a ton of places that ATT doesn't get voice service, let alone 3G. I'll also have my MIL stand there with her Verizon phone and call someone.

[Trip]

Everyone bitching about ATT needs to come clean. If you hate the iPhone just say so. I've had SBC/Cingular/ATT for 10 years. I've also been all over the country and probably where alot of you live at one point or another. This lack of coverage everyone is complaining about I simply haven't seen. The only place in North America I have been where I didn't have coverage was Alaska. No big surprise there.

I believe there are dead spots. I just have a hard time believing it is as wide spread as this thread makes it seem.

My best friend with a Verizon phone has shitty service everywhere, so it works both ways.

Had both, AT&T sucks in the southeast. I have traveled all over the Tennessee Valley Area for work in a lot of very very rural places where we hide our dirty coal plants and such. It's shitty service. I would get the iphone to test it out if it came to Verizon. Verizon very rarely lets me down.

The 3G service is very wide spread, AT&T has a much smaller 3G area.

[fasternyou929]

Everyone bitching about ATT needs to come clean. If you hate the iPhone just say so. I've had SBC/Cingular/ATT for 10 years. I've also been all over the country and probably where alot of you live at one point or another. This lack of coverage everyone is complaining about I simply haven't seen. The only place in North America I have been where I didn't have coverage was Alaska. No big surprise there.

I believe there are dead spots. I just have a hard time believing it is as wide spread as this thread makes it seem.

My best friend with a Verizon phone has shitty service everywhere, so it works both ways.
I've been with them since they were originally AT&T wireless, too. And to this day, there are a number of places around here where I can tell someone "I'm probably going to lose you in a minute, I'll call you back when I can".

And coverage in the mountains is non-existent. When my friend has his accident out there this summer, I had to chase someone down to use their US Cellular phone to call 911. My wife has come to accept that she won't hear from me for 3-5 hours at at time because I just can't get service.

A lot of your touring you do of the countries is on interstates, right? Cellular networks are built around highways, so that's usually not a problem area. Get out in the sticks though and the difference become very apparent, very quick.

[pauldun170]

Everyone bitching about ATT needs to come clean. If you hate the iPhone just say so. I've had SBC/Cingular/ATT for 10 years. I've also been all over the country and probably where alot of you live at one point or another. This lack of coverage everyone is complaining about I simply haven't seen. The only place in North America I have been where I didn't have coverage was Alaska. No big surprise there.

I believe there are dead spots. I just have a hard time believing it is as wide spread as this thread makes it seem.

My best friend with a Verizon phone has shitty service everywhere, so it works both ways.

We have an Itouch and like it (though it has been a POS at times) so its like the iPhone...just without the crappy phone part.

So in a way..I like the iPhone.

ATT coverage S-U-C-K-S round here.
Verizon R-U-L-E-S round here.

I can begin a call leaving my house, travel to the train station.
Take the train the 46 miles to NYC, travel through underwater tunnels and walk out to corner of Pennsylvania Station, fart, swear and then proceed to walk the 1.3 miles to work and not lose the call.

With ATT, since we can't even get a decent signal from our house, you have to travel a few miles until you get a bar or two and then stand there. If you move you end up losing the call.

Of all the iPhone folks we know only one has kept it (and ATT) because there theater is located in the only place that gets a great ATT signal and a week Verizon signal.

I beleieve you when you say you have no problems with ATT...mainly because I have no reason to doubt you since location is everything with providers.

It just so happens for a lot of people ATT sucks.

[Homeslice]

Nice ninja edit on the poll results. Ghey.

[shmike]

Nice ninja edit on the poll results. Ghey.

Yeah.

Kinda tough to get an accurate read when someone is always dicking with the results.

[Trip]

Yeah.

Kinda tough to get an accurate read when someone is always dicking with the results.

You are at 7 votes for iphone, I can still see whats up.

[psychochild28]

I don't have one yet but I love the droid. I've been playing on one all weekend. There are some apps on Iphone i like better.
Kinda upset I didn't get that when I got my new phone but free is free.

[dReWpY]

the droid rules, best phone I have ever had

[Dave]

hey drewp hows the battery life? the g1 i use for work cant even pull a whole day

[marko138]

hey drewp hows the battery life? the g1 i use for work cant even pull a whole day
Sounds like my BB if I'm cranking on the apps. I have a twitter app that really slugs my battery.

[G-Rex]

A lot of your touring you do of the countries is on interstates, right? Cellular networks are built around highways, so that's usually not a problem area. Get out in the sticks though and the difference become very apparent, very quick.

You're mostly right Dan. A lot of my touring is via interstate. However, I also have done quite a bit that is not on interstate. I'd estimate it at 75/25. So, due to that, my results are skewed some I'm sure.

Maybe I need to make my own map showing where I've had coverage and where I haven't, and on which roads. LOL Take THAT AT&T and Verizon!

[Dave]

Sounds like my BB if I'm cranking on the apps. I have a twitter app that really slugs my battery.

dude i had it on the charger in the van and then i surfed twf for thirty minutes waiting for peeps to get to the bar and it was at 3/4

[marko138]

dude i had it on the charger in the van and then i surfed twf for thirty minutes waiting for peeps to get to the bar and it was at 3/4
Mines not that bad. I can use it all day long on a single charge...but if I run the twitter app then it drains quickly.

[fasternyou929]

You're mostly right Dan. A lot of my touring is via interstate. However, I also have done quite a bit that is not on interstate. I'd estimate it at 75/25. So, due to that, my results are skewed some I'm sure.

Maybe I need to make my own map showing where I've had coverage and where I haven't, and on which roads. LOL Take THAT AT&T and Verizon!

Ha, with little bubbles "Can you hear me now? Hello? You still there?" :lol:

[Rangerscott]

Mines not that bad. I can use it all day long on a single charge...but if I run the twitter app then it drains quickly.


You can just pop in another battery. :lol. Everything on smart phones now is its own "program", you'll need to install a task manager so u can manually shut down programs so they arnt just sucking on the batt tit.

[dReWpY]

hey drewp hows the battery life? the g1 i use for work cant even pull a whole day

i get about two days out of it, using atk makes it last alot longer, and setting the display brightness to auto adjust helps too

[Rangerscott]

atk?

[EpyonXero]

You can just pop in another battery. :lol. Everything on smart phones now is its own "program", you'll need to install a task manager so u can manually shut down programs so they arnt just sucking on the batt tit.

Android 2.0 as a built in process manager.

[marko138]

You can just pop in another battery. :lol. Everything on smart phones now is its own "program", you'll need to install a task manager so u can manually shut down programs so they arnt just sucking on the batt tit.

I just close that bitch when I dont need it. Problem solver revolver, kid.

[shmike]

Update: I got her both.

I wanted to do a side-by-side comparison of the two, so we got one of each. One will be kept, one will be returned.

She wanted the iPhone and I expected her to favor that one but the DROID is pretty much kicking the shit out of it so far. Better phone, better camera, easier to view, the keyboard is nice and doesn't feel flimsy at all.

She actually finds the DROID as user-friendly if not moreso than the Apple.

The ability to be talk and surf is a nice feature of the iPhone.

Her big concern is the compatibiltiy / sync-ing issues with her Mac (DROID).

[Homeslice]

Droid is heavier & thicker though :p

[shmike]

Droid is heavier & thicker though :p

Heavier yes.

Thicker no.

The weight isn't an issue though. It keeps it from being just an ordinary flexible, squeaky slider phone that creaks & flexes & makes noise when you squeeze it.

[Homeslice]

droid = 0.54", iphone 3gs = 0.48" :p

[Rangerscott]

droid = 0.54", iphone 3gs = 0.48" :p

O my god. But but but but............its thicker. Wow thats a HUGE different. When I first got my hands on one, my brain said, "This muthafucka is .06" thicker. What a fucking piece of shit smart phone this is."


If people think the Droid is heavy then they need to jerk off more to build some forearm strength. This phone is not heavy.

[marko138]

O my god. But but but but............its thicker. Wow thats a HUGE different. When I first got my hands on one, my brain said, "This muthafucka is .06" thicker. What a fucking piece of shit smart phone this is."


If people think the Droid is heavy then they need to jerk off more to build some forearm strength. This phone is not heavy.
:lol:

[Ninjakel]

I have an HTC diamond and leon has the touch pro 2. Verizon. I think my next phone is gonna be the droid.

[Homeslice]

O my god. But but but but............its thicker. Wow thats a HUGE different. When I first got my hands on one, my brain said, "This muthafucka is .06" thicker. What a fucking piece of shit smart phone this is."

.

And has square corners, so it's not as easy to slide into a pocket.

:lol:

[Rangerscott]

And has square corners, so it's not as easy to slide into a pocket.

:lol:

You fuckin bitch.

[psychochild28]

Heard a rumor that the Iphone is going to verizon in june

[fasternyou929]

Heard a rumor that the Iphone is going to verizon in june

AT&T is scrambling to find an exclusive replacement.

On a similar note, today in Taipei I saw a new keypad technology a North America-based cell phone manufacturer is coming out with... gonna be interesting.

[marko138]

Heard a rumor that the Iphone is going to verizon in june
I've heard a rumor that it may happen well before that.

[EpyonXero]

Well Apple has a big announcement next week. Will probably be a tablet, maybe iPhone OS 4.0. Some people are saying they will announce an iPhone on Verizon too but I doubt that.

[marko138]

Well Apple has a big announcement next week. Will probably be a tablet, maybe iPhone OS 4.0. Some people are saying they will announce an iPhone on Verizon too but I doubt that.
I've heard its the Verizon deal.

[Trip]

I heard it's not going to be iphone as we know it.

It's going to be a tablet that works with Verizons 4G and a "lite" version of the iphone.

[Homeslice]

How big is the tablet going to be? If it gets too big why not just get a netbook.

[Trip]

How big is the tablet going to be? If it gets too big why not just get a netbook.

because it doesnt have the pretty apple logo on it. It's not going to be a pocket device.

[Homeslice]

because it doesnt have the pretty apple logo on it. It's not going to be a pocket device.

And that's the thing. If something forces you to carry it in a bag instead of a pocket, then it needs to have a keyboard IMO.

[Trip]

And that's the thing. If something forces you to carry it in a bag instead of a pocket, then it needs to have a keyboard IMO.

Tablets are useful, but not for most people. I love them on the worksite for inventory/equipment tracking reasons. I don't want to carry a laptop and have to fiddle with a keyboard/touchpad out in the plant. Having a touch sensitive screen is nice, especially when it's large enough to be useful when dealing with large databases.

[Kaneman]

because it doesnt have the pretty apple logo on it. It's not going to be a pocket device.

You know, you say that...but I have never had anything but problems with Windows PCs and laptops...and I've had a lot of them going back to MS Dos. Its always something, a virus, malware, weird access rights and so on.

Now, I have a computer background as a hobbyist, my Dad taught me how to build computers when I was 12, so I'm not a dunce...yet far from an expert. Dad has been in IT for the past 20 years and even he has trouble.

I've never had a Mac, but if they have less problems then I'm all about it.

[Trip]

I've never had a Mac, but if they have less problems then I'm all about it.

I've used both. I like both. I recommend Macs to computer illiterates because it's much easier to use IMO. Price is finally starting to get a little easier to swallow.

My next computer will most likely be a Mac.

However, this doesn't change the fact that an Apple logo is a status symbol for a lot of people that own a iphone/Mac/ipod

[marko138]

I've used both. I like both. I recommend Macs to computer illiterates because it's much easier to use IMO. Price is finally starting to get a little easier to swallow.

My next computer will most likely be a Mac.

However, this doesn't change the fact that an Apple logo is a status symbol for a lot of people that own a iphone/Mac/ipod
I've said it before, I'll say it again. My iMac is awesome. It's damn near flawless.

[Dave]

You know, you say that...but I have never had anything but problems with Windows PCs and laptops...and I've had a lot of them going back to MS Dos. Its always something, a virus, malware, weird access rights and so on.

Now, I have a computer background as a hobbyist, my Dad taught me how to build computers when I was 12, so I'm not a dunce...yet far from an expert. Dad has been in IT for the past 20 years and even he has trouble.

I've never had a Mac, but if they have less problems then I'm all about it.

you sound like a prime candidate for linux

[Trip]

linux

I have a station that uses ubuntu, it's ok.

[pauldun170]

XP - No issues did everything I needed it to do
Vista - No issues did everything I needed it to
Win7 - No issues does everything I need it to do
Mac...nice but useless to me as an OS and it offers little value\per dollar
Linux - Nice after a few days of headaches trying to get everything I want on it to work properly. Currently not worth the effort when I have other PCs\Laptops that get the same job done. When XP becomes a dinosaur, then I'll head back over to linux.

[EpyonXero]

Id like a tablet that I could use in my living room away from my desktop computer and also take on road trips that could surf the web, give me magazines like an e-reader and had quick power on and a log standby time like an iPod. I also would like to be able to integrate it with my home theater. I dont need a music player but the ability to connect to my TV with HDMI and play HD video from the web or built-in storage would be great.

[LeeNetworX]

Id like a tablet that I could use in my living room away from my desktop computer and also take on road trips that could surf the web, give me magazines like an e-reader and had quick power on and a log standby time like an iPod. I also would like to be able to integrate it with my home theater. I dont need a music player but the ability to connect to my TV with HDMI and play HD video from the web or built-in storage would be great.

Thinkpad x200 tablet w/multi-touch is pretty sweet and the optional 8-cell has good battery life. Not sure if HDMI out is an option on any of the models though.

[Rangerscott]

Jeeez. You all sound like you're in a cult. "The HOLY ONE is going to make a speech!"

[Homeslice]

lol wut

[shmike]

Jeeez. You all sound like you're in a cult. "The HOLY ONE is going to make a speech!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZGIn9bpALo&feature=PlayList&p=6A0324694C9020C2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25

[Rangerscott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZGIn9bpALo&feature=PlayList&p=6A0324694C9020C2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25

Exactly.

[EpyonXero]

Apple makes good stuff. Hate it if you want.

[Rangerscott]

Apple makes good stuff. Hate it if you want.

I wasn't hating apple. Just listen to how people talk.

[LeeNetworX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZGIn9bpALo&feature=PlayList&p=6A0324694C9020C2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25


That was awesome, because so much of it is true. :lol

[Homeslice]

I should make a video about all the people who claim they avoid Apple because of:

1) its limitations on open source (even though they rarely search for any apps, much less develop their own)
2) irreplaceable battery (even though they always replace their gadgets long before the battery would ever go bad)
3) don't want to be limited to iTunes (even though they aren't)

After all these fake reasons were disposed of, my video would then reveal the true reason they avoid Apple: Because they're worried about what their friends think.

[Particle Man]

I still like my iPhone

[LeeNetworX]

Apple makes good stuff. Hate it if you want.

I hate every second I have to use/test with Macs for work. There's nothing good about OSX unless you are only doing simple things like web surfing, word processing, paint program, etc, IMO.

[Trip]

I should make a video about all the people who claim they avoid Apple because of:

1) its limitations on open source (even though they rarely search for any apps, much less develop their own)
2) irreplaceable battery (even though they always replace their gadgets long before the battery would ever go bad)
3) don't want to be limited to iTunes (even though they aren't)

After all these fake reasons were disposed of, my video would then reveal the true reason they avoid Apple: Because they're worried about what their friends think.

What about these two?

1) Is a terrible phone, you know the main reason you buy the device.
2) Is on a shitty network.

[marko138]

What about these two?

1) Is a terrible phone, you know the main reason you buy the device.
2) Is on a shitty network.
I dont know that number 1 applies much anymore. Actual talking is going by the wayside.

[Homeslice]

AT&T sucks yes that's a given, but is there any authoritiative test data, not just rumors, that the iPhones reception is weak?

[fasternyou929]

but is there any authoritiative test data, not just rumors, that the iPhones reception is weak?Yes there is, it's not just rumor.

[Trip]

AT&T sucks yes that's a given, but is there any authoritiative test data, not just rumors, that the iPhones reception is weak?

Yes there are numerous reports that a lot of the iphone issues as a phone is hardware related.

[Kaneman]

My iPhone works as well or better as an actual phone than any other phone I've ever had. Really, I think people just like to hate on that which is currently popular. There's nothing wrong with the iPhone as a phone. All cells drop calls, have dead spots, etc. etc.

[Trip]

My iPhone works as well or better as an actual phone than any other phone I've ever had. Really, I think people just like to hate on that which is currently popular. There's nothing wrong with the iPhone as a phone. All cells drop calls, have dead spots, etc. etc.

People also like taking up for deficiencies in their property as well.

[Kaneman]

People also like taking up for deficiencies in their property as well.

Meh, maybe. But I've had the iPhone and the dreaded ATT network two years now without problems. Maybe 1 dropped call a week, something like that anyway.

I still don't get why anyone wouldn't own an iPhone. Love the shit outta mine.

[Homeslice]

Yes there are numerous reports that a lot of the iphone issues as a phone is hardware related.

But does any magazine or website do regular comparison tests of reception strength?

[pauldun170]

All cells drop calls, have dead spots, etc. etc.

I've never lost a call on the past two phones I've had. One was a Razer and the other is an LG whaddeveritizwiddakeboard.

We're a Verizon town up here though.

[Trip]

But does any magazine or website do regular comparison tests of reception strength?

There are all kinds of reports out there. I can't search for it now.

There was one I read that took a basic att free phone and did research on signal strength and dropped calls and the iphone sucked a nut in comparison.

[pauldun170]

But does any magazine or website do regular comparison tests of reception strength?

Stop being an asshole.

You know how to use google when you need to see whats hot in mens thongs so you can fucking use google to see about iPhone issues
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9149059/Apple_defends_AT_T_says_partner_will_fix_iPhone_pr oblems?taxonomyId=1

[Homeslice]

My Sony Ericsson on AT&T gets lots of dropped calls.

[Homeslice]

Stop being an asshole.

You know how to use google when you need to see whats hot in mens thongs so you can fucking use google to see about iPhone issues
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9149059/Apple_defends_AT_T_says_partner_will_fix_iPhone_pr oblems?taxonomyId=1

:ws:

Good article, but I asked for comparison tests fool.

[shmike]

AT&T sucks yes that's a given, but is there any authoritiative test data, not just rumors, that the iPhones reception is weak?

Yes there is, it's not just rumor.

But does any magazine or website do regular comparison tests of reception strength?

You asked a question.

Your question was answered by an industry insider.

Now you want everyone else to dig through magazines to convince you? :lol:

[marko138]

Stop being an asshole.

You know how to use google when you need to see whats hot in mens thongs so you can fucking use google to see about iPhone issues
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9149059/Apple_defends_AT_T_says_partner_will_fix_iPhone_pr oblems?taxonomyId=1

:lol Great post. :owned:

[Homeslice]

:shrug: It shouldn't be too hard to give me the name of a magazine that does comparison tests of cellphone reception strength. I don't need the exact link.

People can say "Yes there is evidence" all they want, but just saying something doesn't make it so. I'd like actual data, along with an explanation of how the tests were conducted.

[Kaneman]

I think I must've lucked out and just live in an area where ATT has really strong reception.

[Homeslice]

Just checked CNET, they don't compare reception. All they say is: "Cellular reception is a two-part equation. The first factor is the strength of the carrier's network. Without a doubt, signal strength plays a huge role, so if you're having trouble getting a signal in a specific area, I'd blame the network first. But the cell phones themselves also have an effect. Since no two phone models are the same, they will differ in the strength and the accuracy of their antennas and receivers. In my experience, Nokia phones tend to offer solid reception, but there's not an industry consensus by any means. I'd be interested in hearing your opinions. "

[defector]

I think I must've lucked out and just live in an area where ATT has really strong reception.

From what I understand, large metropolitan areas generally have good reception with ATT. Here it is fairly good from what I understand.

[fasternyou929]

:shrug: It shouldn't be too hard to give me the name of a magazine that does comparison tests of cellphone reception strength. I don't need the exact link.

People can say "Yes there is evidence" all they want, but just saying something doesn't make it so. I'd like actual data, along with an explanation of how the tests were conducted.

The equipment to test cellular strength accurately costs millions of dollars and requires people trained to run it properly. A 3rd party test house charges a minimum of ~$70,000 to do a minimal development run, you think a magazine is going to pay that for each phone they review? I'm not going to post proprietary information here and speed up the process of my layoff to satisfy your curiosity.

Good luck finding that all-knowing CNET article.

[fasternyou929]

Just checked CNET, they don't compare reception. All they say is: "Common sense. Common sense. Common sense. Personal opinion with no scientific method to back it. I'd be interested in hearing your opinions. "

Awesome find! No wonder you look to them for all the answers. :lol:

[Homeslice]

Awesome find! No wonder you look to them for all the answers. :lol:

I only posted it to state that at least I tried. So far nobody else has.

[fasternyou929]

So far nobody else has.And your findings should tell you why.

[Homeslice]

The equipment to test cellular strength accurately costs millions of dollars and requires people trained to run it properly. A 3rd party test house charges a minimum of ~$70,000 to do a minimal development run, you think a magazine is going to pay that for each phone they review? I'm not going to post proprietary information here and speed up the process of my layoff to satisfy your curiosity.

But since the testing equipment does exist, why aren't some manufacturers using the results in their advertising?

[fasternyou929]

But since the testing equipment does exist, why aren't some manufacturers using the results in their advertising?

Because the results would be meaningless to consumers. Congratulations, your phone's TRP in 850GSM is 18.5dBm!*

*Averaged in 3 degree increments for 360 degrees for both phi and theta using a SAM right position (Specific Anthropomorphic Mannequin).

You feel like you know your phone better now? :lol:

Also, manufacturers do not share data, so would you want to willingly put your data on the box and have the competition eek you out by 0.2dBm? The engineers know that difference would have 0 impact on customer performance, but what would it do to customer perception?

AT&T has minimum performance requirements in place for just this reason... any phone sold to operate on their network must meet acceptable performance requirements with their equipment. Unless there's a value proposition they simply can't pass up. ;)

[Homeslice]

There has to be some way to do it. Even if it's not too scientifically rigorous. Why doesn't CNET just take a bunch of phones, hook them up to the same carrier, and take them all to one location outside of the metro area where service is known to start having issues, and see which phones drop calls and which don't?

[Homeslice]

From what I understand, large metropolitan areas generally have good reception with ATT. Here it is fairly good from what I understand.

They sucked ass when I was living in the outer suburbs of San Diego. Even just drywall would block the signal.

[fasternyou929]

There has to be some way to do it. Even if it's not too scientifically rigorous. Why doesn't CNET just take a bunch of phones, hook them up to the same carrier, and take them all to one location outside of the metro area where service is known to start having issues, and see which phones drop calls and which don't?

Because it would be a useless test because there are far too many variables that can't be ignored in favor of a non-scientific test for the masses. What if the call dropped because network issues or traffic? What if one continues a call but has no audio, is that better or worse?

CNET wisely chooses not to bash a cell phone manufacturer at the risk of slander based on an extremely small sample size and coverage area used for a test that's out of their range of expertise.

And, that's why AT&T has (extremely challenging) minimum performance requirements for handset vendors.

[Homeslice]

And, that's why AT&T has (extremely challenging) minimum performance requirements for handset vendors.

But you said earlier the iPhone has difficulties. Are they on the low end of those standards, or did they miss the standard and ATT let them slide anyway?

[fasternyou929]

But you said earlier the iPhone has difficulties. Are you saying ATT let their standards slide for them?

You really didn't get that from this?

any phone sold to operate on their network must meet acceptable performance requirements with their equipment. Unless there's a value proposition they simply can't pass up. ;)

[Homeslice]

You didn't call out the iPhone in that quote ;)

[fasternyou929]

You didn't call out the iPhone in that quote ;)

Gee, I wonder why. If you can't read between those lines, I'm afraid I can't help you. :lol:

[Homeslice]

:lol:

[shmike]

Anyone find a magazine article yet?

[fasternyou929]

Anyone find a magazine article yet?

Not just any article, a CNET article!