The 3 little pigs got their revenge.

[Rider]

Holy shit this thing is fucking huge. 197lbs and he was shot in Canada.

[Particle Man]

that's not a wolf - that's a moose in a freakin' dog costume!

holy CRAP

[t-homo]

I would be scared shitless.

[defector]

Got that in an email a few weeks ago. Shot in Gogama, Ontario or something like that.
Apparently they were by a bear bait - if the wolf is that big how fucking big is the bear?! :lol

[101lifts2]

I'm never again crying wolf...

[Curb]

that's huge bitch...definitely would've liked to see that thing alive on all fours, but no where close to me.

[neebelung]

:( It's a shame someone had to go and shoot it... it was probably an amazing creature when it was alive...

[askmrjesus]

:( It's a shame someone had to go and shoot it... it was probably an amazing creature when it was alive...

Sarah Palin probably shot it from a helicopter.

JC

[neebelung]

Sarah Palin probably shot it from a helicopter.

JC

:dvrofl:

[the chi]

:( It's a shame someone had to go and shoot it... it was probably an amazing creature when it was alive...

Thats what I am screaming, I bet it was an incredible animal. Why shoot a wolf? You cant eat it, and its not like it was attacking people and was a nuisance.

[Particle Man]

Sarah Palin probably shot it from a helicopter.

JC

:lol

[neebelung]

Thats what I am screaming, I bet it was an incredible animal. Why shoot a wolf? You cant eat it, and its not like it was attacking people and was a nuisance.

I agree.... Someone had to shoot it just to say he shot it... just for the sport of it. :td:

[OTB]

Unless you have livestock; they carry off calves, piglets, lamb and sheep and packs bring down full-grown steers, pigs and horses.

Ever been stalked by a pack in the woods a little after sundown? That's why I carry a Python in the boonies.....

[the chi]

Unless you have livestock; they carry off calves, piglets, lamb and sheep and packs bring down full-grown steers, pigs and horses.

Ever been stalked by a pack in the woods a little after sundown? That's why I carry a Python in the boonies.....


While I understand the argument, at the same time, we're the ones encroaching on their territory, so my sympathy stays with the animals, they are only doing whats natural. As far as getting stalked, not by wolves, but yes by coyotes, and a weapon is necessary, while still remembering, you are the one in their living room, not the other way around.

[Particle Man]

Unless you have livestock; they carry off calves, piglets, lamb and sheep and packs bring down full-grown steers, pigs and horses.


and cars, and houses with the size of that freakin' thing

[defector]

I agree.... Someone had to shoot it just to say he shot it... just for the sport of it. :td:

Getting low on four legged prey - need to start lining up the humans.

[wildchild]

Getting low on four legged prey - need to start lining up the humans.

hey that would be an awesome way to lower the head count in jails. it's a game, if you get away from the big bad hunter you're free. he he he

we won't tell them there's no way out. could be more fun then hunting deer. I bet PITA would feel less sympathetic on a rapist then a deer as well. maybe not. but it would be fun. would raise tax revenue, can't be free to play the game. hunt license fees would be high I'm sure.

all of this is said in jest. don't get your panties in a wad if your sympathetic to the jail residents. no one is really going to shoot them. we know they are human and simply misunderstood. probably didn't really committ any crimes, and should be given more rights and priveleges as a whole.

[pauldun170]

Shot in Edson Alberta?

http://www.huntandtell.com/tag/wolf/
http://www.alpineoutfitters.ca/alberta_wolf_hunts.asp

[neebelung]

While I understand the argument, at the same time, we're the ones encroaching on their territory, so my sympathy stays with the animals, they are only doing whats natural. As far as getting stalked, not by wolves, but yes by coyotes, and a weapon is necessary, while still remembering, you are the one in their living room, not the other way around.

Werd.

[TYEster]

That's not a wolf! THAT'S JACOB! :lol:

[Amber Lamps]

While I understand the argument, at the same time, we're the ones encroaching on their territory, so my sympathy stays with the animals, they are only doing whats natural. As far as getting stalked, not by wolves, but yes by coyotes, and a weapon is necessary, while still remembering, you are the one in their living room, not the other way around.

Here's something I always say to this... Um, don't we have a right to space on this Earth as well? We already bunch up in the cities. If the wolves had a chance they would take over as much territory as possible. Sometimes I think that some animal rights people would rather human babies not be born. Now I agree to an extent we take up more space than necessary but we aren't "encroaching", we are marking our territory! The dominant species has a right and in many ways an obligation to take over from and weed out the weaker species. I'm sorry but if the animals on the planet only consisted of those we eat and keep as pets...Well, I for one could live with that.

[fasternyou929]

Here's something I always say to this... Um, don't we have a right to space on this Earth as well? We already bunch up in the cities. If the wolves had a chance they would take over as much territory as possible. Sometimes I think that some animal rights people would rather human babies not be born. Now I agree to an extent we take up more space than necessary but we aren't "encroaching", we are marking our territory! The dominant species has a right and in many ways an obligation to take over from and weed out the weaker species. I'm sorry but if the animals on the planet only consisted of those we eat and keep as pets...Well, I for one could live with that.

If the wolf were wandering around city streets I don't think anybody would argue with you. But, if you're applying this argument to the photo at the beginning of this thread, someone went out in the woods and shot him. Then went back home.

[dReWpY]

Here's something I always say to this... Um, don't we have a right to space on this Earth as well? We already bunch up in the cities. If the wolves had a chance they would take over as much territory as possible. Sometimes I think that some animal rights people would rather human babies not be born. Now I agree to an extent we take up more space than necessary but we aren't "encroaching", we are marking our territory! The dominant species has a right and in many ways an obligation to take over from and weed out the weaker species. I'm sorry but if the animals on the planet only consisted of those we eat and keep as pets...Well, I for one could live with that.

you are wrong.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Holy shit... that wasn't a wolf, it was a frickin' dire wolf. :panic:

While this might sound funny coming from a hunter, I have to agree with the sentiment that there's very little good reason to hunt some animals, particularly predatory species.
Defending livestock, sure.
Self defense if you're in the woods and one makes hostile moves toward you, sure.
But there are plenty of animals in this world that are currently overpopulated and need a little hunting pressure to keep them in balance. (primarily because we already killed off their natural predators)
We should stick to those and curtail the thrill-hunting.

Hunting humans, a la 'Most Dangerous Game'... hrm... interesting.
Hemingway wrote: "Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and like it, never really care for anything else thereafter."
The problem is, they're so tricky to prepare. :stirpot:

[Ineffable]

Here's something I always say to this... Um, don't we have a right to space on this Earth as well? We already bunch up in the cities. If the wolves had a chance they would take over as much territory as possible. Sometimes I think that some animal rights people would rather human babies not be born. Now I agree to an extent we take up more space than necessary but we aren't "encroaching", we are marking our territory! The dominant species has a right and in many ways an obligation to take over from and weed out the weaker species. I'm sorry but if the animals on the planet only consisted of those we eat and keep as pets...Well, I for one could live with that.

1.) Wolves usually set out territorial boundaries and stay within them, often even avoiding the fringes. They are NOT conquerors.

2.) In this situation the hunters were in no way threatened or at risk of losing livestock etc but rather were in the wilderness for sport.

3.) The dominant species in any ecosystem doesn't have the 'right' to kill weaker species it has the ability. We as humans have the ability to kill weaker humans so why do we not? Because if their is no order to what we kill then chaos would ensue.

4.) If the only animals on the planet were ones we use as pets and eat then we would all perish within 10 years. Most animals and organism on the planet serves a purpose to continue life even if it isn't of direct use by humans. Eg. We don't hunt or eat bees (honey bees only make up a very small portion) but without them a massive amount of vegetation would die off due to lack of pollination.

Just some food for thought. As far as killing this wolf I think it is a shame as it is such a beautiful creature and shooting it really serves no purpose since as said before I doubt they are going to eat it or do something productive with and just have it stuffed. Having grown up on a farm I understand the need to occasionally kill predatory animals that go after livestock or cause other damage but to kill something as rare as a wolf of this size simply because it walked across your path (they were out for bear) is wrong IMO.

[Amber Lamps]

Aw you guys are no fun!!! Just for the sake of argument, obviously, I wasn't discussing bees or even other insects, though there are plenty I would wipe out. As far as, "every creature serving a purpose" goes, please. Every creature on this planet can EASILY be replaced by nature, just ask the dinosaurs. If we eliminated all of the redundant species and carefully engineered the rest, I'm certain that we could make a viable ecosystem.

As far as "encroachment" goes, I'm not speaking to this exact example here but to the concept that we are encroaching on another animal's habitat when we build houses somewhere. I don't pretend to be a wildlife expert like you all but I still think that as a wolf pack gets larger, member break off to form their own packs elsewhere. Something like that anyway...

Aw, I'm going to eat pizza and watch some streaming movie on Netflix...

[sherri_chickie]

That's out by my parents!!

While I feel sadness when I see photo's of them shot, they have to be culled sometimes or they start starving and attacking people believe it or not. Not enough rabbits and they start stealing calves, we lost 100 geese to the beasts!

They are not a pretty sight when they are starving either, more humane to keep the population down than to let it creep up and then watch them starve to death.

[Amber Lamps]

That's out by my parents!!

While I feel sadness when I see photo's of them shot, they have to be culled sometimes or they start starving and attacking people believe it or not. Not enough rabbits and they start stealing calves, we lost 100 geese to the beasts!

They are not a pretty sight when they are starving either, more humane to keep the population down than to let it creep up and then watch them starve to death.

Yea what she said! Hey, you want a slice of peperoni with banna peppers?

[dReWpY]

Not everyone has a duel degree in biology and is working on their masters in biology and population dynamics....just saying

[Amber Lamps]

Not everyone has a duel degree in biology and is working on their masters in biology and population dynamics....just saying

Yea I know...You're really cute when you get all ecological...

[dReWpY]

No I will not make out with you

[Amber Lamps]

No I will not make out with you

I'll howl like a wolf....

[tommymac]

Not everyone has a duel degree in biology and is working on their masters in biology and population dynamics....just saying

So I guess you guys were all over the stuff down in MD a few yrs ago with the chineese snakeheads that were released or all the exotics that have taken hold down in florida.

Tom

[karl_1052]

Getting low on four legged prey - need to start lining up the humans.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111323/

[the chi]

Tig, I think the other guys covered it for me, but in regards to your argument that the world would be okay without many species is really rather ignorant of you. You usually back your stuff up better than that.

Did you know that right now, due to some strange world effect we are losing all the honey bees? That they require assistance to keep doing their jobs? Do you realize that without the bees, plants wont get polinated (things we use for food) therefore they wont procreate and the plants will die out, leaving a void? And since we kinda need plants for the air we breathe, I consider that a pretty important function.

That in some countries humans are now having to polinate plants themselves to keep them alive? (Japan, and I think its the Cherry Blossom trees. They are using paint brushes to try and mimic the bees work so the plants dont all die.)

This is just one example, but the point is, EVERYTHING has a place. Ignorance and extermination have already destroyed many incredible species. As far as this wolf goes, looks like it was an incredible animal, and probably doing a DAMN good job of culling the deer based on his healthy look, and you of all people should appreciate deer removal (as they are a species that needs culling not only b/c you keep hitting them.) :wink:

[Amber Lamps]

Tig, I think the other guys covered it for me, but in regards to your argument that the world would be okay without many species is really rather ignorant of you. You usually back your stuff up better than that.

Did you know that right now, due to some strange world effect we are losing all the honey bees? That they require assistance to keep doing their jobs? Do you realize that without the bees, plants wont get polinated (things we use for food) therefore they wont procreate and the plants will die out, leaving a void? And since we kinda need plants for the air we breathe, I consider that a pretty important function.

That in some countries humans are now having to polinate plants themselves to keep them alive? (Japan, and I think its the Cherry Blossom trees. They are using paint brushes to try and mimic the bees work so the plants dont all die.)

This is just one example, but the point is, EVERYTHING has a place. Ignorance and extermination have already destroyed many incredible species. As far as this wolf goes, looks like it was an incredible animal, and probably doing a DAMN good job of culling the deer based on his healthy look, and you of all people should appreciate deer removal (as they are a species that needs culling not only b/c you keep hitting them.) :wink:

Why is everyone stuck on the bees? I never said anything about bees but I will stand by my statement that there are several species of animals that we could do without. Mosquitoes...Flies... Actually, deer are a fine example. Please explain to me the vital function that deer play in the eco-system that couldn't be done by another animal, say a cow for example.

Let's say that we eliminated the deer, now what vital need is there for wolves? Rabbits? But wouldn't the fox population increase through the greater availability of food and thus control the rabbit population? I know that this is WAY over simplified but as I said the world has seen the coming and going of thousands/millions of species and somehow it's still here. Heck, 90%+ of ALL life on Earth has been exterminated TWICE and it's still managed to come back! How really important are those damn cherries anyway? Grow oranges instead, or pines or whatever. Most of your reactions are emotional and not necessarily logical. If it were up to you all we'd still have saber tooth tigers and raptors running around.


Of course you know I'm just fucking with you all but some will have to admit that quite often, animal rights types will come out against killing ANY animal regardless of the circumstances. Is that slightly better Rae?

[the chi]

The difference is when animals die out naturally, it is the Earths way of balancing things out. When Man comes along and arbitrarily destroys life because he can, or its in his way or he gets the creeps from that particular animal, he is unbalancing the natural order of things, which thus allows the whole thing to come unwound.

Why do you suppose we have an overabundace of deer? Because we wiped out their natural predators (among other reasons, but this one is magor).

We use the bees as an example because they are necessary to the existence of food bearing plants that we need to survive. Lets say you clumsily destroy a bees hive, they attack you, you kill them all. You just destroyed not only their home and lives, but you took away two possible food sources for humans. The honey the bees make, and the fruit born on the trees the bees would have polinized.

And yes, you are right in that some animals do need controlling, however they need that controlling because of mans folly in the first place. If you notice, I am a proponent of stopping needless slaughter (like this wolf), not necessary measures.

[Ineffable]

Most of your reactions are emotional and not necessarily logical. If it were up to you all we'd still have saber tooth tigers and raptors running around.

Fun Fact: Mosquitoes have killed more people than war.

Without them we would have a massive overpopulation problem that we are starting to have now.

I understand where you are coming from Tigger and some animal rights people/groups do go way overboard was just making a point. However I do wish we still had raptors and saber tooths running around, would make jogging more of a sport than a hobby.

It would also make shit like this possible
http://www.warcraftmounts.com/images/mounts/pvpridingraptorskindarkblack.jpg
http://www.warcraftmounts.com/images/mounts/tourneyridingtigerskindark.jpg

which would just be awesome.

[dReWpY]

So I guess you guys were all over the stuff down in MD a few yrs ago with the chineese snakeheads that were released or all the exotics that have taken hold down in florida.

Tom

got everyone and their mother saw snakeheads when they were in the news, most of them were just seeing a common species called a bowfin, and I lived in the keys for awhile, it was common to see pythons sunning themselves along US 1 :didntdo::lol

[tommymac]

got everyone and their mother saw snakeheads when they were in the news, most of them were just seeing a common species called a bowfin, and I lived in the keys for awhile, it was common to see pythons sunning themselves along US 1 :didntdo::lol

there was an iteresting show on the discovery channel about that whole mess, last I heard there are still some small pockets of them out there. I used to have a few of their cousins as pets when I had fishtanks going too.

There was even a species introduced on LI about 40 yrs ago. There were no lizzards on LI but a pet sotre had a crate of skinks break open and about 40 of em got out. There is a creek/drainage basin behind the pet sotore and enough got out there and they thrived. I guess theres enough predators here that their numbers stayed in control and you see them every now and then around the creeks. Elusive lil buggers though.

The bigger thing up here is if a species like that can survive the winters we have in NY.

[Particle Man]

If it were up to you all we'd still have saber tooth tigers and raptors running around.

Sure - they were funny in Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs :D

[ericr]

1.) Wolves usually set out territorial boundaries and stay within them, often even avoiding the fringes. They are NOT conquerors.



If that statement is true, why are the wolves that were turned loose in Yellowstone already spreading outside the park and killing livestock in the area?

[Ineffable]

If that statement is true, why are the wolves that were turned loose in Yellowstone already spreading outside the park and killing livestock in the area?

Lack of food :) Could also be that the territory they established happened to overlap with neighboring farms.

[HRCNICK11]

Right and they were spread all over the northern USA at one time cause they are so good at staying in one place. If that statement was true they would have died out long ago from inbreeding.

Funny how 2 of the 3 people that are all for the wolf are from FL. You know where all the large wild animals are. I bet if one of them wolves jumped over your fence with your pet in his mouth you would want him dead before you let your kids wait for the bus a few blocks away.

We have been getting a lot of Coyotes around my house and they have been following joggers around. I'm sure it will not be long before people start to panic after a pet or small child has a run in with one.

We saw 11 of them one night just behind the house (I live in the city near the schools) but they don't like the neighbors Rot they take off as soon as he come outside. The Rot will come out as soon as he smells them, a few barks and they scatter. For now.

[Particle Man]

If that statement is true, why are the wolves that were turned loose in Yellowstone already spreading outside the park and killing livestock in the area?

must've ran out of beer.

You'd ransack a farm too if there were no more beer left in your area.

[SteveP]

Not everyone has a duel degree in biology and is working on their masters in biology and population dynamics....just saying

I'm with ya on this one. I'm a few semesters away from my bio degree and plan on going to grad school working on plant ecology. Some arguments (most) on the web are just not worth having.

[Amber Lamps]

Right and they were spread all over the northern USA at one time cause they are so good at staying in one place. If that statement was true they would have died out long ago from inbreeding.

Funny how 2 of the 3 people that are all for the wolf are from FL. You know where all the large wild animals are. I bet if one of them wolves jumped over your fence with your pet in his mouth you would want him dead before you let your kids wait for the bus a few blocks away.

We have been getting a lot of Coyotes around my house and they have been following joggers around. I'm sure it will not be long before people start to panic after a pet or small child has a run in with one.

We saw 11 of them one night just behind the house (I live in the city near the schools) but they don't like the neighbors Rot they take off as soon as he come outside. The Rot will come out as soon as he smells them, a few barks and they scatter. For now.


Well that's what you get for building your houses in their habitat!!! Besides, if they kill a child or two, it's just nature's way of culling our numbers...

Don't roaches, rats and termites deserve to live and thrive? Please tell me that you wouldn't be on the phone to pest control in 5 seconds if your house was infested with them. Aren't we encroaching on their territory as well? Don't they have the same rights as bees?

BTW I love part time environmentalists, stand in the middle of your living room and bask in all the "habitat" that was destroyed to produce it. Every board came from a tree that may have sheltered animals and provided them with food. Every nail produced from an iron mine that may have destroyed thousands of acres of habitat. Every piece of plastic an oil well somewhere. The very warmth in the Winter and coolness in the Summer paid for with the loss of what was once wilderness. The beautiful motorcycles that we ride stand as testimony to our disdain of nature and our contribution to the destruction of Mother Earth... but OMG don't shoot a fucking wolf!!!

[Amber Lamps]

I'm with ya on this one. I'm a few semesters away from my bio degree and plan on going to grad school working on plant ecology. Some arguments (most) on the web are just not worth having.

There is no such thing as "an argument not worth having"!!!

[fasternyou929]

Funny how 2 of the 3 people that are all for the wolf are from FL. You know where all the large wild animals are.

Yeah, what would anybody from FL know about wild animals? They only have alligators, panthers, bears, wild boar, shark... wait, what were you saying again?

[ericr]

What I really find amusing is that some people think "mankind" isn't "natural" to this planet. Like we're an alien life form that is a scouge to all life on earth.

None of the save the planet and save the animal people are willing to give up their cars and houses and electricity, heat and air, tv, computers, cell phones etc, and go live in a cave and hunt with a sharp stick and a rock (or to make it fair, bare hands) to bring "balance" back to the "natural" way of things, are ya??? :lol:

Yeah, that's what I thought ;)

BTW, them 'er some big ass wolves they growin' up there!!!

[Amber Lamps]

What I really find amusing is that some people think "mankind" isn't "natural" to this planet. Like we're an alien life form that is a scouge to all life on earth.

None of the save the planet and save the animal people are willing to give up their cars and houses and electricity, heat and air, tv, computers, cell phones etc, and go live in a cave and hunt with a sharp stick and a rock (or to make it fair, bare hands) to bring "balance" back to the "natural" way of things, are ya??? :lol:

Yeah, that's what I thought ;)

BTW, them 'er some big ass wolves they growin' up there!!!


Yep, when you become a vegan and build your hut out of rocks and foliage that has already fallen off the tree, btw, I'll have more respect for your point of view.

[HRCNICK11]

I love how people that get a degree in a liberal one sided college from teacher that are vegan liberals and think they get the whole story. I know plenty of farmer with the same degree that would completely disagree with you. Yes a lot of farmers have degrees these days MSU happens to be very popular with them.


Oh and there is a shit ton of difference between a wolf and a coyote. If we were shooting all the coyotes they would not be running all over like they are.

Personally I'd love to see a few more wolves around here we have way to many deer to dodge(on the bikes) as it is. If my kids played out side I might not but my wife raised a bunch of house vampires long before I came around.

My wife carries pepper spray for the four legged predators when she runs. Mostly large dogs but she said she would feel bad if she hurt one.

I understand both sides of this I love wild animals(even the deer that eat my wife's tulips) but I also think they taste pretty darn good to and if a bear/wolf was in my back yard I'd shoot it to keep it from eating my dog.

[Ineffable]

My wife carries pepper spray for the four legged predators when she runs. Mostly large dogs but she said she would feel bad if she hurt one.


Lol my old doberman loved pepper spray. We started spraying it on stuff to keep him from chewing on it. It worked, he just started licking the pepper spray off.

[Smittie61984]

The difference is when animals die out naturally, it is the Earths way of balancing things out. When Man comes along and arbitrarily destroys life because he can, or its in his way or he gets the creeps from that particular animal, he is unbalancing the natural order of things, which thus allows the whole thing to come unwound.


That's why I blow up beaver dams with large amounts of explosives. That shit ain't natural.

By the way has anyone found a purpose to cats other than inspiring a musical?

[Ineffable]

By the way has anyone found a purpose to cats other than inspiring a musical?
http://properkernel.com/humor/assassin.jpg

[Rider]

Just to clarify since I originally posted this. I don't condone the killing of any animal for the sport. Every animal I shoot, I eat with the exception of coyote. Part of the agreement with the landowner where I hunt is, I need to kill every coyote I come across. Now If i was in the woods and I saw this wolf, Iwould not shoot it. I would observe it and let it go about it's business. I would however shoot it if it was trying to attack me. I do consider myself an ethical hunter and I treat animals with respect when on the hunt.

[the chi]

Just to clarify since I originally posted this. I don't condone the killing of any animal for the sport. Every animal I shoot, I eat with the exception of coyote. Part of the agreement with the landowner where I hunt is, I need to kill every coyote I come across. Now If i was in the woods and I saw this wolf, Iwould not shoot it. I would observe it and let it go about it's business. I would however shoot it if it was trying to attack me. I do consider myself an ethical hunter and I treat animals with respect when on the hunt.

Im with you.

As for those that think Im all bleeding heart, to reassure you, I would shoot to kill any animal (or human) endangering me or mine, but I respect nature enough to realize that everything has a right to live and go its own way. If I have critters in my home, I dont kill them, I catch them and take them outside if possible, yes including snakes of all varieties. If I could go "all natural" and be "one" with nature, hell yeah I'd love to try it, unfortunately I dont have my own TV show that would pay the bills for me to do something like that.

Theres a difference in killing an animal for sport because you can, and killing an animal out of necessity, I think some of you are missing that.