As if the fact that it fries your liver isn't enough reason to avoid it...

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Tylenol pain caplets recalled for odd odor
Trace chemical may cause nausea and vomiting

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34620367/ns/health-arthritis/

Associate Press
updated 1 hour, 32 minutes ago

NEW YORK - Johnson & Johnson is expanding a voluntary recall of Tylenol Arthritis Caplets due to consumer reports of a moldy smell that can cause nausea and sickness.

According to a statement posted to the Food and Drug Administration Web site late Monday, the New Brunswick, N.J., company is now recalling all product lots of the Arthritis Pain Caplet 100 count bottles with the red EZ-Open Cap.

Johnson & Johnson had recalled five lots of the product last month after consumers complained of a musty, mildew-like odor that triggered nausea, stomach pain, vomiting and diarrhea.

The health care company said the odor results from trace amounts of a chemical called 2,4,6-tribromoanisole. That chemical is believed to result from the breakdown of another chemical used to treat wooden pallets that transport and store packaging materials.

To date, the side effects, which also include vomiting and diarrhea, have been "temporary and non-serious," although the health effects of the compound have not been studied.

The recall only affects the specific lots cited. All other Tylenol Arthritis pain products remain available.

The company will reintroduce Tylenol Arthritis Pain Caplets 100 count by January after moving production to a new facility.

Consumers seeking a refund or replacement can call J&J at 1-888-222-6036. Additional information on the recall can be found online at Tylenol's Web site.

[Homeslice]

ibuprofen ftw, tylenol blows

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Acetaminophen kills > 400 per year in the US.

Ephedra killed one fatass 300lb HS footballer who took a whole handful, and went out to play in 100+ degree weather, and they rushed to take Ephedra off the market.

FDA = Fucking Dishonest Assholes

[Dave]

waaaaaah

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waaaaaah

Sounds like you have a headache. Why don't you take a Tylenol?

[Dave]

actually i went out of my way to find headache medicine with acetaminophen in it earlier in the week. Works great :P

[tommymac]

ibuprofen ftw, tylenol blows

tylenol boxes the liver and ibuprofen boxes the kidneys guess you gotta take your pick.

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Yeah, Tom, but the safety margins vary widely. To begin with, acetaminophen has been shown to cause some liver DAMAGE, even in normal doses...but get into dosing margins, and it goes bad for acetaminophen when compared to other pain relievers in a hurry.

The label says you can take one or two naproxin (Aleve), but you can take up to six (clinical dose) without overdosing.

The label says you can take one or two ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil), but you can take up to ten (clinical dose) without overdosing.

The label says to take one or two acetaminophen (Tylenol), and you can safely take up to TWO.

That's a pretty bad margin for an OTC med.

[Homeslice]

Not to mention Tylenol isn't as versatile.....it doesn't do squat for swelling....... IBP does.

[tommymac]

Yeah, Tom, but the safety margins vary widely. To begin with, acetaminophen has been shown to cause some liver DAMAGE, even in normal doses...but get into dosing margins, and it goes bad for acetaminophen when compared to other NSAIDS in a hurry.

The label says you can take one or two naproxin (Aleve), but you can take up to six (clinical dose) without overdosing.

The label says you can take one or two ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil), but you can take up to ten (clinical dose) without overdosing.

The label says to take one or two acetaminophen (Tylenol), and you can safely take up to TWO.

That's a pretty bad margin for an OTC med.

Very good points as well, you see more cases of acetaminophen overdoses vs ibuprofen overdoses. Clinically I usualy give ibuprofen vs acetaminophen unless they have kidney problems, or GI issues. Studies show that its a much better pain medication vs acetaminophen.

But in my situations I only give prescriptions for short term, 3-10 days on the most part.

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Not to mention Tylenol isn't as versatile.....it doesn't do squat for swelling....... IBP does.

Correct, acetaminophen (Tylenol) does nothing for inflammation (it's not an NSAID).

The whole Tylenol Arthritis Formula thing always makes me angry, because it does NOTHING for the inflammation of Arthritis (which is what can really do damage to your joints). It shouldn't even be allowed to be labeled as an Arthritis drug.

It's all about money.

[Captain Morgan]

Yeah, Tom, but the safety margins vary widely. To begin with, acetaminophen has been shown to cause some liver DAMAGE, even in normal doses...but get into dosing margins, and it goes bad for acetaminophen when compared to other pain relievers in a hurry.

The label says you can take one or two naproxin (Aleve), but you can take up to six (clinical dose) without overdosing.

The label says you can take one or two ibuprofen (Motrin, Advil), but you can take up to ten (clinical dose) without overdosing.

The label says to take one or two acetaminophen (Tylenol), and you can safely take up to TWO.

That's a pretty bad margin for an OTC med.


We use to call Motrin "vitamin M" in the Air Force. My brother said they called it "ranger candy" in the Army.

[Smittie61984]

Any drawbacks to hydrocodone?

I rarely take pain meds unless I have a giant insane headache. When i do I normally take naproxen.

No one mentioned aspirin so I figured why not get Dave Attell's take on it(about 20seconds in)...
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=79219&title=aspirin-the-most-abused-drug

[askmrjesus]

Any drawbacks to hydrocodone?

Yes.

It turns you into a fat conservative wind bag radio talk show host.

Shit.

That's Oxycontin.

Nevermind.

JC

[askmrjesus]

Oh, BTW, Naproxen and beer?

That works.

JC

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Any drawbacks to hydrocodone?

Actually, yes, and not so much because of the synthetic opiod itself (which is a narcotic), but the fact that it is often "bundled" with acetaminophen.

Principally because acetaminophen significantly raises the risk of fatal overdose due to liver toxicity when taken with ANY amount of alcohol.

I rarely take pain meds unless I have a giant insane headache. When i do I normally take naproxen.

While Naproxin gives longer relief (~12 hours), my experience is that Ibuprofen (~6 hrs relief) is faster acting, and when your head hurts, minutes count.

[askmrjesus]

Principally because acetaminophen significantly raises the risk of fatal overdose due to liver toxicity when taken with ANY amount of alcohol.


Goddammit man, you're ruining my fucking weekend.

Shit. I just realized it's Tuesday.

Fuck. I'm like 38 hours late for work.

JC

[Smittie61984]

Actually, yes, and not so much because of the synthetic opiod itself (which is a narcotic), but the fact that it is often "bundled" with acetaminophen.

Principally because acetaminophen significantly raises the risk of fatal overdose due to liver toxicity when taken with ANY amount of alcohol.



While Naproxin gives longer relief (~12 hours), my experience is that Ibuprofen (~6 hrs relief) is faster acting, and when your head hurts, minutes count.

I was joking about the first part but it does raise a question. I thought hydrocodone mixed with acetaminophen was (going with brand names) Vicodin while those mixed with ibuprofen was Vicoprofen? Wouldn't basic hydrocodone be Lortabs? I know they cut the shit but didn't think it was with that stuff.

I think a lot of it can be mental too. Naproxen may work slower but usually once I take it I get to feeling better shortly. I had no preference before but a couple of years ago I had a wisdom tooth come in with a vengence and called a 24hour dentist hot line. They gave me a Rx for naproxen and it helped a lot so I became faithful to it.

[Kaneman]

Marijuana FTW.

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Ftmfw!

[Kaneman]

Ftmfw!

I was just kidding, that shit is illegal and therefore bad. WTF is wrong with you?

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Nothing a little medicinal hooch can't keep in remission.

[Kaneman]

I like the tag... "pot heads hate tylenol" lol.

But there is some truth to that, kind of. I don't hate big pharm meds. I'll pop a hydrocodone if it is handy to battle a migraine, I might take an IB to deal with some swelling, NyQuil is my friend if the flu hits and so on...

I gotta say though that it still blows my mind how close minded people are to pot as a legitimate medicine for what ails you. For example, I have this chic on my Facebook who's always in pain for this or that reason, she can't sleep, she's anxious, etc. So she takes Ambien like candy, pops tylenol and hydrocodone, etc. etc. etc. Everytime she posts about pain or not being able to sleep I tell her to go get some herb and its simply appalling to her, which is funny and sad to me.

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Yep. I hear ya. One thing is a natural herb that's been used for centuries, has no effective lethal dose, and has never killed a single human...and the other things are chemical concoctions, some of which are responsible for killing hundreds if not thousands each year.

Apparently the government has done a fine job brainwashing a lot of impressionable people.

...and all because Hemp makes over 4x as much paper per acre, per year, than trees.

[101lifts2]

....Apparently the government has done a fine job brainwashing a lot of impressionable people......

I just wish you would see with most other shit the government tries to force on us...

I don't think pot is all that of magic wonder drug like you guys claim. It may reduce pain, but eliminate it like asprin, ibuprofen? Not really. Maybe I've just smoked the wrong shit. Tis possible.

[Kaneman]

I just wish you would see with most other shit the government tries to force on us...

I don't think pot is all that of magic wonder drug like you guys claim. It may reduce pain, but eliminate it like asprin, ibuprofen? Not really. Maybe I've just smoked the wrong shit. Tis possible.

You've just smoked the wrong shit, there is a specific strain for different situations.

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I just wish you would see with most other shit the government tries to force on us...

I don't think pot is all that of magic wonder drug like you guys claim. It may reduce pain, but eliminate it like asprin, ibuprofen? Not really. Maybe I've just smoked the wrong shit. Tis possible.

Well, this may come as a shock to you, but I just may be the poster boy for medicinal use. Of all the things I've tried from Cortico-Steroids to Chemo-Therapy drugs that made my hair fall out, nothing, and I mean NOTHING puts my disease into remission like Cannabis Sativa.

For those playing at home, this is dirt weed. What no one in their right mind would smoke to get high. Most people smoke higher quality Cannabis Indica, which is far more of a "head high". Sativa is a "body high", or more of a muscle relaxant/pain reliever. The mechanisms at play in my condition, however, are multi-fold. Preparations such as Coal Tar, and Pine Tar are effective, and thus so is Cannabis Tar, and Tobacco Tar.

The simple fact is, however, that Tobacco makes me high as a kite and sick - so for me that's out. I can smoke a doobie, and function 100%. If you give me a cigarette, I will get SO HIGH, get the spins, and eventually get a headache, and nausea. It also causes Cancer, whereas Cannabis is actually an Anti-Cancer agent, although it does contain Carcinogens. It also regulates cell division (Apoptosis), which may explain the aforementioned Cancer dichotomy, as well as its effectiveness in my condition.

The simple fact is, if the correct strain is used, it can not only be truly effective, but remarkably safe medicine...and much unlike Tylenol, has never killed a single person. Ever.

[askmrjesus]

Most people smoke higher quality Cannabis Indica, which is far more of a "head high".

For what it's worth, I miss the days when "Colombian", for 15 bucks a lid, was the norm.

Indica bud goes for what these days, about 400 for an oz? Fuck that shit. If I wanted to spend that much time on the couch, I could just eat ice-cream till Diabetes set in.

JC

[shmike]

For what it's worth, I miss the days when "Colombian", for 15 bucks a lid, was the norm.

Indica bud goes for what these days, about 400 for an oz? Fuck that shit. If I wanted to spend that much time on the couch, I could just eat ice-cream till Diabetes set in.

JC

What was a "lid"?

I've heard the phrase but apparently it was phased out of smokers' vernacular before I was introduced to 'tard's medicine.

[askmrjesus]

What was a "lid"?

I've heard the phrase but apparently it was phased out of smokers' vernacular before I was introduced to 'tard's medicine.

A lid was an ounce, back in the day.

JC

[Tmall]

If you're paying 400 for an ounce of anything, you crazy.

200 is about par, or so I hear..

[askmrjesus]

If you're paying 400 for an ounce of anything, you crazy.


I agree, but 350-400 seems to be the going rate for stinky melinky down here.

JC

[shmike]

If you're paying 400 for an ounce of anything, you crazy.

200 is about par, or so I hear..

I agree, but 350-400 seems to be the going rate for stinky melinky down here.

JC


Here too.

$400 an ounce has been the rate for high-test for years now.

I'm guessing that Canada's more relaxed view of pot plays a big part in the price disparity. :idk:

[Kaneman]

$400 an ounce for top quality is the norm here as well. =)

[Homeslice]

Hope you guys know the source of your weed. How many people have been killed in Mexico alone this year?

[shmike]

Hope you guys are buying pot grown in North America, otherwise you are contributing to the violence in Latin America

Whatever dude.

Pot has never killed anyone.

EVER.

FTR, I do not smoke. Haven't in years.

[Homeslice]

Was I talking about deaths due to the USE of pot?

[shmike]

Pot is the best plant on earth.

If you say otherwise, you are brainwashed.

Pot doesn't kill people.

Lies do.

[Homeslice]

:lol: ok

[Tmall]

I've never heard of paying over 10 bucks a gram. And that's when you buy it one at a time.

280 an ounce is what you would pay around here with no deals.

But, you can easily get 5 grams for 40 bucks. That works out to around 200 bucks for just shy of an ounce. And if you buy an ounce outright, you'll likely pay 180.

[Kaneman]

I've never heard of paying over 10 bucks a gram. And that's when you buy it one at a time.

280 an ounce is what you would pay around here with no deals.

But, you can easily get 5 grams for 40 bucks. That works out to around 200 bucks for just shy of an ounce. And if you buy an ounce outright, you'll likely pay 180.

Suppliers don't even get it for $10 a gram here.

Now, you can always get some Mexican dirt weed (schwag) for $50-60 an ounce. Its usually a mixture of male and female plants with a plethora of chemicals, actual dirt and plenty of seeds and stems.

[Tmall]

That's crazy. My gf's dealer pays about 4 to 6 a gram. And that's when he buys 100g's. That's only about 4 ounces.

Wanna trade tires for weed? Lol

[askmrjesus]

Wanna trade tires for weed? Lol

By the ounce?

Sure! :lol:

JC

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I remember when I was a teen, weed taught me the metric system.

To this day I remember that 7 grams = 1/4 Oz.