McGwire admits the obvious.

[Homeslice]

That is all.

[Dave]

Lying to congress, hope for his sake he voted for bo

[Apoc]

I still dont see why its an issue thats so big down there with you guys?

Professional athletes cheat.

If you ain't cheating at sports in some way, you aint trying hard enough.

[TYEster]

I still dont see why its an issue thats so big down there with you guys?

Professional athletes cheat.

If you ain't cheating at sports in some way, you aint trying hard enough.

Because politics/politicians demand someone to point a finger at.

[tommymac]

I wonder if its him trying to score sympathy votes to get into the HOF.

[marko138]

Tom's right....he just wants in the Hall. He didn't realize the sports writers are crusty old bitches who hold grudges.

[tommymac]

Tom's right....he just wants in the Hall. He didn't realize the sports writers are crusty old bitches who hold grudges.

I thought it was convienient that this is announced soon after the HOF inductees were announced and he was still prety far down in votes.

[smileyman]

I wonder if its him trying to score sympathy votes to get into the HOF.

Yuppers. Mmmm Hhmmm.

[tommymac]

I think this may help his cause but it will still take many years to get in, if he ever does.

[defector]

My guess is he didn't want to deal with the questions all season again. I think he was just named batting coach for the Cardinals recently.

[Curb]

My guess is he didn't want to deal with the questions all season again. I think he was just named batting coach for the Cardinals recently.that's what i was thinking. me personally, i could care less if he did or didn't. He is an entertainer and i enjoyed watching him hit bombs as did the entire fan base that paid their money to go and see him when he came to their town.

[tached1000rr]

that's what i was thinking. me personally, i could care less if he did or didn't. He is an entertainer and i enjoyed watching him hit bombs as did the entire fan base that paid their money to go and see him when he came to their town.

me too....

[Curb]

Also, like I've said for years. You can use steroids all you want, but it wont help you hit the ball any better. It takes amazing hand eye coordination to be able to hit something that is traveling 95mph in which you have less than half a second to make up your mind if you will or wont swing.

It was like that snow border kid in the winter olympics a few years back that got his gold medal taken away for testing positive for weed...WEED, I mean come on, dude scores a gold medal while toking a doob, I'd give that mother fucker 10 gold medals for that.

[tommymac]

Also, like I've said for years. You can use steroids all you want, but it wont help you hit the ball any better. It takes amazing hand eye coordination to be able to hit something that is traveling 95mph in which you have less than half a second to make up your mind if you will or wont swing.

It was like that snow border kid in the winter olympics a few years back that got his gold medal taken away for testing positive for weed...WEED, I mean come on, dude scores a gold medal while toking a doob, I'd give that mother fucker 10 gold medals for that.

A fan on the radio said that about mcguire too, the steroids may have given him mor epower but he still had the skill to hit a baseball.

[Homeslice]

Also, like I've said for years. You can use steroids all you want, but it wont help you hit the ball any better. It takes amazing hand eye coordination to be able to hit something that is traveling 95mph in which you have less than half a second to make up your mind if you will or wont swing.

It was like that snow border kid in the winter olympics a few years back that got his gold medal taken away for testing positive for weed...WEED, I mean come on, dude scores a gold medal while toking a doob, I'd give that mother fucker 10 gold medals for that.
While the weed didn't give any advantage to the boarder, the roids did give an advantage to McGwire (or he wouldn't have taken it).

Yeah, some nobody taking roids isn't going to help him become a hitter if he wasn't already one before, but McGwire already knew how to hit, and already had the hand-eye coordination, all he wanted was more power.

[defector]

Every power hitter from that era (except Griffey) was linked to roids in some form or another.
MLB turned a blind eye to it, as long as stadiums were full. Guys like McGwire and Sosa put baseball back on the map in '98, and nobody gave a damn then.

Chicks dig the long ball.

[karl_1052]

Because politics/politicians demand someone to point a finger at.

Politicians are the only people who cheat more than atheletes.

[karl_1052]

It was like that snow border kid in the winter olympics a few years back that got his gold medal taken away for testing positive for weed...WEED, I mean come on, dude scores a gold medal while toking a doob, I'd give that mother fucker 10 gold medals for that.

How come Phelps' medals weren't taken away then?

Double standard.

[TYEster]

Politicians are the only people who cheat more than atheletes.

Exactly, they need something to remove the focus from themselves.

[Homeslice]

How come Phelps' medals weren't taken away then?

Double standard.

Would have been too much of an uproar in the media/public. They figured taking it away from a snowboarder wouldn't get noticed.

[karl_1052]

Would have been too much of an uproar in the media/public. They figured taking it away from a snowboarder wouldn't get noticed.

Plus he was Canadian, plus he only won one medal(instead of 8)

Definite double standard.

[Homeslice]

Where's the "Canada: America's Hat" jpeg?

[shmike]

How come Phelps' medals weren't taken away then?

Double standard.

Plus he was Canadian, plus he only won one medal(instead of 8)

Definite double standard.

Phelps tested positive in an IOC drug test?

Link please.

[Rider]

Does it really matter? Everyone juiced back then.

[Kaneman]

Phelps tested positive in an IOC drug test?

Link please.

He's referring to the bong incident.

[shmike]

He's referring to the bong incident.

I understand that.

It's an apples-oranges comparison.

[Kaneman]

I understand that.

It's an apples-oranges comparison.

Huh? They're comparing Phelps to another Olympic athlete who got medals taken away for marijuana use.

[shmike]

Huh? They're comparing Phelps to another Olympic athlete who got medals taken away for marijuana use.

Phelps wasn't using while he was an olympic athlete.

Did you wake'n'bake this morning?

[marko138]

Also, like I've said for years. You can use steroids all you want, but it wont help you hit the ball any better. It takes amazing hand eye coordination to be able to hit something that is traveling 95mph in which you have less than half a second to make up your mind if you will or wont swing.

It was like that snow border kid in the winter olympics a few years back that got his gold medal taken away for testing positive for weed...WEED, I mean come on, dude scores a gold medal while toking a doob, I'd give that mother fucker 10 gold medals for that.

I agree completely with what your saying.

[Kaneman]

Phelps wasn't using while he was an olympic athlete.

Did you wake'n'bake this morning?

Wait, is it morning?

[Sixxxxer]

I dont see what the big deal is...Other than hwo it looks for Americas Youth that all of there Favorite Baseball Players are Roid Heads...But it helps the body heal quicker and Mcgwire is right...Baseball is a LONG season and there was a SHITTON of pressure on him that year to break the record...And as has already been stated...Steroids make you stronger they dont help you hit home runs.

[Kaneman]

I dont see what the big deal is...Other than hwo it looks for Americas Youth that all of there Favorite Baseball Players are Roid Heads...But it helps the body heal quicker and Mcgwire is right...Baseball is a LONG season and there was a SHITTON of pressure on him that year to break the record...And as has already been stated...Steroids make you stronger they dont help you hit home runs.

The funny thing is that kids are smart enough to see that steroids helps make athletes successful. They see through all the bullshit and get straight to the point, that many of the world's most successful athletes turned out to be using steroids and many of them still do.

[Sixxxxer]

Well Kids today arent the same as when I was growing up...and I'm 23...Its Effin Crazy.

[tommymac]

The funny thing is that kids are smart enough to see that steroids helps make athletes successful. They see through all the bullshit and get straight to the point, that many of the world's most successful athletes turned out to be using steroids and many of them still do.

its also the american way in that its a quick fix.

Funny thing is long term steroid use leads to other injuries.

[Kaneman]

its also the american way in that its a quick fix.

Funny thing is long term steroid use leads to other injuries.

It can be...but hardcore athletes don't slack off just because they're on the 'roids...it simply gives them more return for their effort.

[tommymac]

It can be...but hardcore athletes don't slack off just because they're on the 'roids...it simply gives them more return for their effort.

true, but it still gets them to where they want ot be faster than someone whos not on the juice.

[Kaneman]

true, but it still gets them to where they want ot be faster than someone whos not on the juice.

I wouldn't necessarily say faster...I would say it gets them to a level that those who are not on the juice simply can't get to period.

[tommymac]

I wouldn't necessarily say faster...I would say it gets them to a level that those who are not on the juice simply can't get to period.

I would say its both. Some guys I played football with were on the juice and their gains wer emuch faster than when they werent taking anything. wha tpissed some of them of fmore was I was stronger than some of them and wasnt on anything :lol:

Did come close in my last full season though since I plateaued in my training.

[z06boy]

Steroids make you stronger they dont help you hit home runs.

Why not ? Sure you have to have the hand/eye coordination first but extra strength surely has to help imho.

The only problem I have with the use of it is the fact that it's against the rules...these guys do it...get caught...lie about it...and then come out later saying that they did it. :idk:

I think it matters when they break a record...it's not fair to the person that had his record broken unless it shows that they too were using steroids.

It doesn't really matter to me if they do it or not...for one I'm not a big baseball fan to begin with but just throwing this out there.

[Homeslice]

Why not ? Sure you have to have the hand/eye coordination first but extra strength surely has to help imho.


+1

Otherwise he wouldn't have used them.

[goof2]

Phelps wasn't using while he was an olympic athlete.

Exactly. If Phelps had tested positive for any banned substance during the olympics his medals would have been taken away. What he does after the competition is irrelevant.

How come Phelps' medals weren't taken away then?

Double standard.

First, the Canadian snowboarder had his medal restored to him, it was only taken away temporarily.

Second, Phelps was smart enough to not be around weed before or during the competition. The snowboarder was not as smart. The additional stupidity on the part of the snowboarder does not create a double standard.

[tommymac]

Why not ? Sure you have to have the hand/eye coordination first but extra strength surely has to help imho.

The only problem I have with the use of it is the fact that it's against the rules...these guys do it...get caught...lie about it...and then come out later saying that they did it. :idk:

I think it matters when they break a record...it's not fair to the person that had his record broken unless it shows that they too were using steroids.

It doesn't really matter to me if they do it or not...for one I'm not a big baseball fan to begin with but just throwing this out there.

I think thats why he also apologized to the marris family.

[z06boy]

Exactly. If Phelps had tested positive for any banned substance during the olympics his medals would have been taken away. What he does after the competition is irrelevant.



First, the Canadian snowboarder had his medal restored to him, it was only taken away temporarily.

Second, Phelps was smart enough to not be around weed before or during the competition. The snowboarder was not as smart. The additional stupidity on the part of the snowboarder does not create a double standard.

Correct

[Rider]

You guys keep bringing up weed and comparing it to steroids likes it's a performance enhancing drug. Who cares if athletes smoke pot?

[Kaneman]

You guys keep bringing up weed and comparing it to steroids likes it's a performance enhancing drug. Who cares if athletes smoke pot?

The IOC apparently. I think that is the part that confuses me, is the IOC acting out of morality or concern for the sport?

[Homeslice]

It's probably due to American pressure

[TYEster]

Funny thing is long term steroid use leads to other injuries.

Like what?

[tommymac]

Like what?

Connective tisue injuries, ligament tears, muscle tears and thing along those lines.

[TYEster]

Connective tisue injuries, ligament tears, muscle tears and thing along those lines.

How do steroids cause those? Cause even people who are natural can tear, sprain, strain, pull, rip, bruise, and disrupt all those very things.

BTW are you familiar with how anabolic steroids work? Because their #1 reason for use is to repair muscle. In fact, Decadurabolin can aid in repairing the connective tissue of muscles.

[tommymac]

How do steroids cause those? Cause even people who are natural can tear, sprain, strain, pull, rip, bruise, and disrupt all those very things.

BTW are you familiar with how anabolic steroids work? Because their #1 reason for use is to repair muscle. In fact, Decadurabolin can aid in repairing the connective tissue of muscles.

Oh I am sure I have heard how they worked in the biochemstry course I have taken, while I dont have access to the exact mechanism that causes this or the myriad of other side effects did a quick search and came up with an article here, pages 5 and 6 touch on the limited data and link it to possible issues with collagen or the fact that the muscles hypertrophy very fast and the connective tissues cannot compenste/keep up with the gains.

http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n2/2/v5n2-2pdf.pdf

Sounding a wee bit defensive now???????

[101lifts2]

Oh I am sure I have heard how they worked in the biochemstry course I have taken, while I dont have access to the exact mechanism that causes this or the myriad of other side effects did a quick search and came up with an article here, pages 5 and 6 touch on the limited data and link it to possible issues with collagen or the fact that the muscles hypertrophy very fast and the connective tissues cannot compenste/keep up with the gains.

http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n2/2/v5n2-2pdf.pdf

Sounding a wee bit defensive now???????

Yeah..I mean if "Full of Tyesterone" didn't give it away.:lol

The cause is not steriods, but rather the user pushing too hard in which ligaments cannot handle the applied load.

I know a few dudes that have torn pec muscles, quad muscles and biceps because of this. They were simply pushing too hard with the weight, though. And they knew it.

[TYEster]

Oh I am sure I have heard how they worked in the biochemstry course I have taken, while I dont have access to the exact mechanism that causes this or the myriad of other side effects did a quick search and came up with an article here, pages 5 and 6 touch on the limited data and link it to possible issues with collagen or the fact that the muscles hypertrophy very fast and the connective tissues cannot compenste/keep up with the gains.

http://www.jssm.org/vol5/n2/2/v5n2-2pdf.pdf

Sounding a wee bit defensive now???????

All it said is that "it was possible" but since they have no proof nor do I know what "experts" wrote that article, I can't really say yes or no. Until there's a real scientific trial(which there wont be) I'll take my "bro-science" of allllll the people I know, read about or heard about who've done them both responsibly and irresponsibly go by that trial and error rather some "supposed experts" on the matter.

And I'm only defending what you said "IS" and that you said steroids cause those injuries. Since there's no real scientific data to back up either of our claims, I'd rather go by what HAS been done and used. Such as aforementioned drug, and my first-hand basis. ;)

[tommymac]

All it said is that "it was possible" but since they have no proof nor do I know what "experts" wrote that article, I can't really say yes or no. Until there's a real scientific trial(which there wont be) I'll take my "bro-science" of allllll the people I know, read about or heard about who've done them both responsibly and irresponsibly go by that trial and error rather some "supposed experts" on the matter.

And I'm only defending what you said "IS" and that you said steroids cause those injuries. Since there's no real scientific data to back up either of our claims, I'd rather go by what HAS been done and used. Such as aforementioned drug, and my first-hand basis. ;)

Well best of luck to ya there, I will take whats written in a respected journal over a bunch of guys in the gym.

Before PA school I was looking to get into biochemistry/sports nutrition but the market wasnt all that good at the time so at the time I had a prety good knowledge of what was what but that was also over 15 yrs ago so i am sure alot has changed and I have no real interest on what theyre using now.

I did always get a kick out of the pseudo experts I would see at the gym or at gnc who would give out all sorts of wrong information, but they figured I was just some dumb metal head and I just kept my mouth shut and went about my business.

[TYEster]

Well best of luck to ya there, I will take whats written in a respected journal over a bunch of guys in the gym.

Before PA school I was looking to get into biochemistry/sports nutrition but the market wasnt all that good at the time so at the time I had a prety good knowledge of what was what but that was also over 15 yrs ago so i am sure alot has changed and I have no real interest on what theyre using now.

I did always get a kick out of the pseudo experts I would see at the gym or at gnc who would give out all sorts of wrong information, but they figured I was just some dumb metal head and I just kept my mouth shut and went about my business.

If you're going to someone in the gym or GNC for your steroid information, you're no better off than reading those medical documents who base all their information on how it looks on paper.

The internet is much more abundant with factual information(yes there is some out there), real trial & error that puts any medical lab rat results to shame, plus lots of user history. Like I said, there's nothing proven one way or another, but the right research on the right websites will get you better info. There is a reason professionals use this stuff, it's not just for fun. And there are real experts on the matter, but in America they can't just be all out n open with it, these are illegal drugs.

[tommymac]

If you're going to someone in the gym or GNC for your steroid information, you're no better off than reading those medical documents who base all their information on how it looks on paper.

The internet is much more abundant with factual information(yes there is some out there), real trial & error that puts any medical lab rat results to shame, plus lots of user history. Like I said, there's nothing proven one way or another, but the right research on the right websites will get you better info. There is a reason professionals use this stuff, it's not just for fun. And there are real experts on the matter, but in America they can't just be all out n open with it, these are illegal drugs.

Wasnt going to them for steroid info, just overhearing some of the convos and a cople of times asked the hacks at gnc about certain suppliment and it was painfully obvious they had no clue what they were talking about but made it sound like they did so I just nodded my head a few times and ran for the door.

I googled a bunch of sites just to find some quick facts and found it funny how some that were touting their use also had ads for "legal steroids" plastered all over their pages.

Sure there are articles and studies out there that are slanted one way or the other that will tout the stuff as the greatest thing or its worse than cancer, aids and ebola all wrapped in one.

I came very close to using them when I was playing football since I had plateaued in my training and for me I felt the risk/reward wasnt worth it for where I was at the time.

[karl_1052]

There is a reason professionals use this stuff, it's not just for fun.

It is to gain a competitive edge, no matter the cost.

[Kaneman]

It is to gain a competitive edge, no matter the cost.

I don't even buy that there's even a large cost to it if you do it right.