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EpyonXero
01-19-2010, 08:11 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/us/19marriage.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

January 19, 2010
More Men Marrying Wealthier Wives

By SAM ROBERTS
Beagy Zielinski is a German-born 28-year-old stylist who moved to New York to study fashion in 1995 and stayed. Just before Christmas, she broke up with her blue-collar boyfriend, who repaired Navy ships.

“He was extremely insecure about my career and how successful I am,” Ms. Zielinski said.

An analysis of census data to be released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center found that she and countless women like her are victims of a role reversal that is profoundly affecting the pool of potential marriage partners.

“Men now are increasingly likely to marry wives with more education and income than they have, and the reverse is true for women,” said Paul Fucito, spokesman for the Pew Center. “In recent decades, with the rise of well-paid working wives, the economic gains of marriage have been a greater benefit for men.”

The analysis examines Americans 30 to 44 years old, the first generation in which more women than men have college degrees. Women’s earnings have been increasing faster than men’s since the 1970s.

“We’ve known for some time that men need marriage more than women from the standpoint of physical and mental well-being,” said Stephanie Coontz, a professor at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash., and research director for the Council on Contemporary Families, a research and advocacy group. “Now it is becoming increasingly important to their economic well-being as well.”

The education and income gap has grown even more in the latest recession, when men held about three in four of the jobs that were lost. The Census Bureau said Friday that among married couples with children, only the wife worked in 7 percent of the households last year, compared with 5 percent in 2007. The percentage rose to 12 percent from 9 percent for blacks, among whom the education and income gap by gender has typically been even greater.

“I’m not married, I would like to be married, and my friends are all in a similar situation,” said Dr. Rajalla Prewitt, a 38-year-old psychiatrist in New Jersey. “We’re having difficulty finding someone where there’s a meeting of the minds, where we can have the same goals and values.”

“Particularly, African-American men who are educated want a traditional home where they are the breadwinner,” said Dr. Prewitt, who is a black woman.

In 2007, the Pew report found, median household incomes of married men, married women and unmarried women were all about 60 percent higher than in 1970. But among unmarried men, median household income rose by only 16 percent. These days, men who marry typically gain another breadwinner.

In 1970, 28 percent of wives had husbands who were better educated, and 20 percent were married to men with less education. By 2007, the comparable figures were 19 percent and 28 percent. In 1970, 4 percent of husbands had wives who made more money; in 2007, 22 percent did.

College-educated wives are less likely to have a husband who is college-educated and in the highest income bracket than they were in 1970, and married women are less likely to have a husband who works.

“Among all married couples,” the report said, “wives contribute a growing share of the household income, and a rising share of those couples include a wife who earns more than her husband.”

While marriage rates have declined over all, women with college degrees are still more likely to marry today than less educated women.

But some women find that the dating pressures are intense. Syreeta McFadden, a 35-year-old Columbia and Sarah Lawrence graduate who is between jobs after working in real estate development, said: “With men of any ethnic group, it’s a little intimidating for them to encounter smart women. Money is tricky.

“But, I think for me, it comes down to compatibility,” Ms. McFadden said. “Can you grow with me? Or as my genius friend the textile designer says, she asks on first dates or meeting men in bars, ‘Do you have a passport and a library card?’ ”

Elaine Richardson, who is in her 50s, is divorced and owns a health care consulting firm in Westchester, said that men “call you high maintenance if you look like you don’t need anyone to take care of you.”

Professor Coontz at Evergreen State recalled that from the late 19th century through the 1940s, it was not uncommon for a woman to finish high school or go to college and marry a man who made more but was less educated.

“This changed in the 1950s to 1970, as financial returns to education really mounted for men, but not for women,” Professor Coontz said.

The latest shift, Professor Coontz said, “is truly a sea change in gender relations within marriage.”

“Many people have worried that men’s increasing dependence on their wives, especially if they are laid off, might lead to the kind of backlash against women workers that happened in the Great Depression,” Professor Coontz said. “But I think that wives’ work has become so normative that this is unlikely.”

Ms. Zielinski, the fashion stylist, said her best friend, a man, told her once: “ ‘You are confident, have good credit, own your own business, travel around the world and are self-sufficient. What man is going to want you?’ He laughed, but I found that pretty depressing.”

CrazyKell
01-19-2010, 09:46 AM
Interesting.

Personally I don't care what my (potential) husband does or how much money he makes. What I care is that as a couple we can work together to support our lifestyle and meet our needs. I care that he's happy and fulfilled.

tached1000rr
01-19-2010, 10:03 AM
Interesting.

Personally I don't care what my (potential) husband does or how much money he makes. What I care is that as a couple we can work together to support our lifestyle and meet our needs. I care that he's happy and fulfilled.

:rockwoot:

tommymac
01-19-2010, 10:04 AM
Wish I thought of that then I wouldnt have to work all these hours :lol:

Homeslice
01-19-2010, 12:12 PM
“We’ve known for some time that men need marriage more than women from the standpoint of physical and mental well-being,” said Stephanie Coontz, a professor at Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wash.
Uh, excuse me?

:bs:

Elaine Richardson, who is in her 50s, is divorced and owns a health care consulting firm in Westchester, said that men “call you high maintenance if you look like you don’t need anyone to take care of you.”
More like if you behave like a princess.

unknownroad
01-19-2010, 12:33 PM
“But, I think for me, it comes down to compatibility,” Ms. McFadden said. “Can you grow with me? Or as my genius friend the textile designer says, she asks on first dates or meeting men in bars, ‘Do you have a passport and a library card?’ ”

If a woman I was interested in asked right off the bat if I had a passport, I would take that to mean that she was looking for someone to take her on exotic and expensive vacations all the time. After getting over my initial shock, I'd just say no and walk away (although I do have both).

Ms. Zielinski, the fashion stylist, said her best friend, a man, told her once: ‘You are confident, have good credit, own your own business, travel around the world and are self-sufficient. What man is going to want you?’ He laughed, but I found that pretty depressing.”

That's a pretty flip line, but the truth is that a lot of people want to be the top priority for their spouse. A jet-setting executive is likely to be putting their work before their relationship.

My wife has a lot more education than I do (2 Masters degrees, and a list of professional certifications as long as my arm), but makes less money :idk: I'm not insecure at all... I want her to make MORE money! I'd be a lot happier as a househusband than a working schmuck.

CrazyKell
01-19-2010, 01:20 PM
I think most guys know what to say and SAY that they wouldn't mind a woman like this....but when it comes right down to it a lot of men don't want it. I don't know whether they're intimidated or what...I really don't know what the right word for it is. But it's real and it happens. :idk:

Captain Morgan
01-19-2010, 01:40 PM
I briefly dated someone who made twice what I make. But she was a bitch and the physical attraction wasn't there. I had no problem with the difference in income. Wouldn't have bothered me a bit. Just didn't like the other stuff.

Rider
01-19-2010, 02:23 PM
I honestly cant say that I've ever met a hot(marrying potential hot) woman that has made more money than me. Sure, there are plenty of rich single women out there but usually they are either old, fat, ugly, super bitchy or a combination of the 4. You show me a rich, super hot woman who is down to earth and actually fun to be around and I'll show you a 4 leaf clover.

CrazyKell
01-19-2010, 03:01 PM
You show me a rich, super hot man who is down to earth and actually fun to be around and I'll show you a 4 leaf clover. :idk: ;)

unknownroad
01-19-2010, 03:30 PM
Why would anyone who is rich and super hot be down to earth? They're in their own world, and i suspect it's much nicer than earth.

101lifts2
01-19-2010, 03:39 PM
Interesting.

Personally I don't care what my (potential) husband does or how much money he makes. What I care is that as a couple we can work together to support our lifestyle and meet our needs. I care that he's happy and fulfilled.


:bs

CrazyKell
01-19-2010, 03:53 PM
:bs


Have I ever shown otherwise? :scratch:

pauldun170
01-19-2010, 04:25 PM
I've known a few women who do very well for themselves.
The only ones who are not married (This is in the mid thirties to mid 50's bracket) are not married for the same reasons as many others
A. Dumbass (comes in all income brackets and professions)
B. Bitchy image chaser (Waiting for the imaginary rich Euro trash old money perfume ad guy to sweep them off their feet on there next "spa" vacation to the greece)
C. NY Jewish (Nice, not ugly or anything but will only date Jewish. Unfortunately, jDate is filled with gimps and defects...and she's not settling for some doctor\lawyer that mom introduced her too because he's boring)
D. Divorced already.
E. Personality "quirks"
F. Appearance "quirks"

As for the REALLY well to do, they certainly like to talk a good game about how they want someone who is on the same level as they are.
They tend to be a lil bit older....and divorced.


Crap...this isn't on topic.
Post fail

karl_1052
01-19-2010, 04:26 PM
I've known a few women who do very well for themselves.
The only ones who are not married (This is in the mid thirties to mid 50's bracket) are not married for the same reasons as many others
A. Dumbass (comes in all income brackets and professions)
B. Bitchy image chaser (Waiting for the imaginary rich Euro trash old money perfume ad guy to sweep them off their feet on there next "spa" vacation to the greece)
C. NY Jewish (Nice, not ugly or anything but will only date Jewish. Unfortunately, jDate is filled with gimps and defects...and she's not settling for some doctor\lawyer that mom introduced her too because he's boring)
D. Divorced already.
E. Personality "quirks"
F. Appearance "quirks"

As for the REALLY well to do, they certainly like to talk a good game about how they want someone who is on the same level as they are.
They tend to be a lil bit older....and divorced.


Crap...this isn't on topic.
Post fail

Did you post that in an Ed Hardy T-Shirt and Tap Out wool hat?:?:

pauldun170
01-19-2010, 04:43 PM
Did you post that in an Ed Hardy T-Shirt and Tap Out wool hat?:?:

Side note:
I will admit that I have no idea what I'm wearing as I was never really a big "label" or fashion person. I get gifts from people and every once in while I'll find out I'm wearing someone "cool" or a knockoff of something "cool".

So I had to Google some Ed Hardy t-shirts to see if I have any of em sitting in my dresser (guess not)

HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHO THE HELL PAYS 40-90 BUCKS FOR T-SHIRT!!
Its not even a good t-shirt....no funny sayings or 3 wolves. Nothing but some stupid pattern

I looked up the Tap Out wool hat but only found baseball caps. I rarely where baseball caps because I am proud of being a 36+ year old man with a stable non receding hairline free of bald spots.



However I do have a huge Cadillac tatoo on my forehead so I guess that counts for something.

Fleck750
01-19-2010, 04:46 PM
You show me a rich, super hot man who is down to earth and actually fun to be around and I'll show you a 4 leaf clover. :idk: ;)

FTW!!!!!! :lmao:

TYEster
01-19-2010, 04:48 PM
I'll say it...


Sugar mama's FTW!

MILK
01-19-2010, 04:50 PM
I think most guys know what to say and SAY that they wouldn't mind a woman like this....but when it comes right down to it a lot of men don't want it. I don't know whether they're intimidated or what...I really don't know what the right word for it is. But it's real and it happens. :idk:

Bingo! I've lived it. He is very angry and bitter now that his cash cow is gone too.

azoomm
01-19-2010, 05:10 PM
You show me a rich, super hot man who is down to earth and actually fun to be around and I'll show you a 4 leaf clover. :idk: ;)

Maybe THAT's why my husband is a ginger...

I made more than twice what my ex-husband made when were married... it didn't work out well. And, he'll tell you that he didn't have a problem with me making more than he did :wink:

Fleck750
01-19-2010, 05:15 PM
Why would a man have problems with a woman making more? More money for toys that way.

tommymac
01-19-2010, 05:17 PM
Why would a man have problems with a woman making more? More money for toys that way.

Guess its the fragile male ego, plus traditionaly the man was usualy the breadwinner for the family.

Homeslice
01-19-2010, 05:18 PM
You show me a rich, super hot man who is down to earth and actually fun to be around and I'll show you a 4 leaf clover. :idk: ;)

Thing is, even ugly rich dudes can score a gold-digging model quite easily, so a HOT rich dude would be even more untouchable.

TYEster
01-19-2010, 05:28 PM
Why would a man have problems with a woman making more? More money for toys that way.

BINGO!

(And financial security and stability if the mans job is under threat)

Fleck750
01-19-2010, 05:42 PM
Guess its the fragile male ego, plus traditionaly the man was usualy the breadwinner for the family. Until the 1950's, most women contributed to a household as much as a man did. Most people had extended families in the house, the single family home prior to this was only for the rich.

And there's your history lesson for today. :D

Sean
01-19-2010, 07:31 PM
I think most guys know what to say and SAY that they wouldn't mind a woman like this....but when it comes right down to it a lot of men don't want it. I don't know whether they're intimidated or what...I really don't know what the right word for it is. But it's real and it happens. :idk:

Personally I think it's more the intelligence and confidence that is usually a prerequisite to making bank that's intimidating. I have no issue with a girl with money but I'll admit to being a little intimidated at the thought of going out with an ivy league chick a few months ago.

Amorok
01-19-2010, 07:52 PM
I don't care who makes the most money, as long as our bills are paid, we still have fun together, I can buy what I want with the money I make, and we fuck often with great ingenuity and enthusiasm. Still waiting for about half of that.

sherri_chickie
01-22-2010, 07:17 PM
I make more than my husband right now but won't forever. He doesn't mind at all but I wonder if it would be more of an issue if he wouldn't make more than me in a couple years???? I also made more than my late husband and it didn't seem to bug him any either.

Rangerscott
01-23-2010, 10:22 AM
There's no such thing as a working woman.

My bro married an older richer woman. He doesn't mind being a gold digger. I loved it when he would tell me and the other worker that the company wasn't making a ton of money and he wasn't spending it all on their new house being built. Haha. I know its your wives money silly willy. But its even better when he tells me what I need to spend my money on when he doesn't have to worry about money. Good times.

Fleck750
01-23-2010, 10:52 AM
I'm glad to know that the 10 hours I spend away from the house is not considered work.

Thank you Ranger for pointing that out.

I'm sure all the single moms and dads are glad to know that they are needlessly paying for daycare because they really don't need to be gone every day.

WTF are you talking about that women don't work?

Rangerscott
01-23-2010, 04:46 PM
They may think that they are working but they really arnt.


I got it from the "there's no such thing as girl gamers" joke. Shittle down.

Fleck750
01-23-2010, 05:13 PM
OK.

karl_1052
01-23-2010, 06:14 PM
I'm glad to know that the 10 hours I spend away from the house is not considered work.

Thank you Ranger for pointing that out.

I'm sure all the single moms and dads are glad to know that they are needlessly paying for daycare because they really don't need to be gone every day.

WTF are you talking about that women don't work?

WTF are you doing out of the kitchen for that long a period of time. Don't you realize your man needs a sammich?

redflip

CrazyKell
01-23-2010, 06:24 PM
Shittle down.

I just spit diet coke out everywhere from laughing so hard! :lmao:

Fleck750
01-23-2010, 07:46 PM
WTF are you doing out of the kitchen for that long a period of time. Don't you realize your man needs a sammich?

redflipThe man in this house makes his own sammich. He's got 24/7 till the unemployment runs out in 2 months. :D

Rangerscott
01-23-2010, 08:43 PM
Dang. Sorry for the unemployment. Its tigger's fault you know.

Fleck750
01-25-2010, 05:18 PM
Dang. Sorry for the unemployment. Its tigger's fault you know.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Rangerscott
01-26-2010, 12:07 AM
http://mirror.servut.us/kuvat/motivation/1timothy211.jpg

sherri_chickie
01-26-2010, 07:23 PM
Rangerscott.. does that mean I get to quit my job and live off my husband????

Rangerscott
01-26-2010, 08:01 PM
Rangerscott.. does that mean I get to quit my job and live off my husband????

Depends on if that is what your husband wants sayeth the lord.

askmrjesus
01-26-2010, 10:18 PM
Depends on if that is what your husband wants sayeth the lord.

The Lord says: I don't care what you do, as long as I can have Jello shots off your ass during half time.

JC