Suck on that Toyota

[Gas Man]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100127/ap_on_bi_ge/toyota_recall

:gofurslf:

"The Obama administration said it pressed Toyota to protect consumers who own vehicles under recall and to stop building new cars with the problem.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told WGN Radio in Chicago that "the reason Toyota decided to do the recall and to stop manufacturing was because we asked them to."

Serves them right for holding big recalls against the American Big 3. At least many of the american recalls were voluntary.

[Dave]

i wonder if the affected models were manufactured here? strong odds id say

[Trip]

I'd still buy a Toyota over anything Mexi..., i mean, American.

[Homeslice]

What a crock of shit.

A private firm said it had identified 275 crashes and 18 deaths because of sudden, uncontrollable acceleration in Toyotas since 1999.

275 crashes over 11 years and probably 10 million Toyotas? Big fucking deal. And even among those 275, most were probably senile old farts who thought they were hitting the brakes when they were really hitting the gas..........just like the Audi thing 20 years ago.

In North Palm Beach, Fla., Clare Roden showed up at a Toyota dealership worried about the 2010 Camry she purchased recently. She was relieved when she was told her accelerator was not a problem part.
Next time check whether your model is affected before driving all the way to the dealership. Jesus, are people really this pathetic?

[Papa_Complex]

Those who hold this out as some sort of vindication for the Big Three had better consider this; the recall is the result of a part manufactured by an American sub-contractor, made in a Canadian city.

[wildchild]

i can only speak for me, i was glad to hear it just because it was Toyota. i know folks who wouldn't buy anything else and they would be foolish to not buy Toys because of this. Big 3 have certainly had their recalls i just like the fact it was Toyota this time.

my personal experience with 3 of their vehicles is that they are complete garbage.

BTW i heard on the news yesterday morning it was 2000 crashes. all late model cars.

[Papa_Complex]

i can only speak for me, i was glad to hear it just because it was Toyota. i know folks who wouldn't buy anything else and they would be foolish to not buy Toys because of this. Big 3 have certainly had their recalls i just like the fact it was Toyota this time.

my personal experience with 3 of their vehicles is that they are complete garbage.

BTW i heard on the news yesterday morning it was 2000 crashes. all late model cars.

That's 2000 COMPLAINTS of crashes. How many ambulance chasers come out of the woodwork every time that a recall is announced?

[101lifts2]

I've been saying this for years.....Toyota won't back it's products and the funny thing is that it has little to do with money.

Japanese arrogance.

[azoomm]

What a crock of shit.



275 crashes over 11 years and probably 10 million Toyotas? Big fucking deal. And even among those 275, most were probably senile old farts who thought they were hitting the brakes when they were really hitting the gas..........just like the Audi thing 20 years ago.


Next time check whether your model is affected before driving all the way to the dealership. Jesus, are people really this pathetic?

Absofuckinglutly!

I drove my Tundra yesterday to a friend's house. This friend is a marketing director for a local dealership - they've had phone calls from people demanding the dealership send a truck to pick up their car because they are afraid to drive it.

Those people don't deserve to breathe the same air the rest of us are... it's just rediculous.

[HurricaneHeather]

Absofuckinglutly!

I drove my Tundra yesterday to a friend's house. This friend is a marketing director for a local dealership - they've had phone calls from people demanding the dealership send a truck to pick up their car because they are afraid to drive it.

Those people don't deserve to breathe the same air the rest of us are... it's just rediculous.

Even though they have been driving it without a problem up until this all came out. :skep: I bet she is on the verge of punching some of those people. :lol:

[Homeslice]

I drove my Tundra yesterday to a friend's house. This friend is a marketing director for a local dealership - they've had phone calls from people demanding the dealership send a truck to pick up their car because they are afraid to drive it.


Wow......And let me guess, it already has 30,000 miles on it.........And all of a sudden it's going to crash on their way to the dealer. :scratch:

Sheep.

[Rider]

Common sense..... Not many have it as proved by this recall.

[azoomm]

Wow......And let me guess, it already has 30,000 miles on it.........And all of a sudden it's going to crash on their way to the dealer. :scratch:

Sheep.

Right.

And, somehow it lost Neutral in the shuffle...

dumb dumb dumb

[Dave]

im reminded of the car and driver article where they proved how little a WOT situation affects most cars ability to stop.

[Phenix_Rider]

Right.

And, somehow it lost Neutral in the shuffle...

dumb dumb dumb

:lol: Dunno about you, but most people I've seen drive have no idea what that "N" means. Or when to use "1" and "2" for that matter- all they know is "D" goes forward, "R" goes back. And "P" means park - but can't figure out how to use a hand brake.

I heard something on the news about an earlier outbreak of Toyotas where the carpet got stuck in the pedal. :skep:

[azoomm]

...I heard something on the news about an earlier outbreak of Toyotas where the carpet got stuck in the pedal. :skep:

Do you know WHY?? They purchase new ones and put them over the top of the ones that come with the car. Those silly engineers developing the hooks in the floor... those are useless in the hands of the general consumer.

I SO want to teach people how to drive... hell, I'd be happy if they could learn how to merge...

[Gas Man]

Those who hold this out as some sort of vindication for the Big Three had better consider this; the recall is the result of a part manufactured by an American sub-contractor, made in a Canadian city.

SPECIFIED, DESIGNED, and QA/QC'd by TOYOTA.
the pedals where made in Canada by CTS out of Indiana

And this just in: Toyota has suspended the sales and production of a lot of models worldwide for the exact same reason, and the parts on those cars were NOT made by an American company.

i can only speak for me, i was glad to hear it just because it was Toyota. i know folks who wouldn't buy anything else and they would be foolish to not buy Toys because of this. Big 3 have certainly had their recalls i just like the fact it was Toyota this time.


Exactly!

I've been saying this for years.....Toyota won't back it's products and the funny thing is that it has little to do with money.

Japanese arrogance.

Could be... I know many of their owners are just that way.



I heard something on the news about an earlier outbreak of Toyotas where the carpet got stuck in the pedal. :skep:

That is what Toyota blamed it on at first, to avoid the safety recall.

[fatbuckRTO]

I'd still buy a Toyota over anything Mexi..., i mean, American.

Exactly. As PC said, the parts causing the recall were manufactured here. My 2009 RAV4? No defect. Its part in question? Manufactured in Japan.

And Toyota still hasn't had to rape the US taxpayers for billions just to stay afloat.

[Papa_Complex]

Exactly. As PC said, the parts causing the recall were manufactured here. My 2009 RAV4? No defect. Its part in question? Manufactured in Japan.

And Toyota still hasn't had to rape the US taxpayers for billions just to stay afloat.

Precisely. It was only after Toyota's Japanese contractor was unable to meet production requirements, and they had to farm out production to a North American sub-contractor, that they started having issues.

[101lifts2]

Reliablity is measured by the number of reported problems, not by how well a vehicle actually holds up. So........if you deny you are at fault and reject paying for shit, your reliability is subsequently higher.

This is how Japan operates.

[fatbuckRTO]

Reliablity is measured by the number of reported problems, not by how well a vehicle actually holds up. So........if you deny you are at fault and reject paying for shit, your reliability is subsequently higher.

This is how Japan operates.I'm sure it has nothing to do with the millions of people who only buy "Japanese" because they put 200k plus on their Toyotas with few or no problems and their "American" GMs were crapping out at 90k.

<----------------------, by the way

[Papa_Complex]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the millions of people who only buy "Japanese" because they put 200k plus on their Toyotas and their GMs were crapping out at 90k.

<----------------------, by the way

Like the Tercel I had for 5 years, with no issues at all. Like the Corolla I had for 5 years and spent less than $1.5K in maintenance. Like the Camry that I had for 10 years and never had an issue that I didn't cause.

... or like the Dodge Dakota I had for 8 years, with every second service after the warranty was up costing me $1.5K+.

[fatbuckRTO]

My Paseo was flooded (as in, submerged in water) during a big rainstorm one week while I was in school. In school I would go a week or more without driving, so I didn't notice that the lot had flooded and I wasn't paying attention when I tried to start my car with water in the engine. All I had to do to get it running again was replace the CPM (processing module). About 300 bucks. Traded it in at about 110k but it was running strong, no issues.

Drove the shit out of my Tacoma, put 100k on it in about 5 years, never had a single issue. It had many more miles by the time I sold it, still runs great.

Had a Chevy Cavalier. After about 70k it would rattle like it was going to fall apart if you took it over 55 mph. Died at 90k (hell, the odometer would have recycled if I'd been able to take it over 99,999).

[defector]

And so it begins....

http://www.wkrg.com/consumer/article/sticky_situation_for_toyota_dealership/692586/Jan-31-2010_2-53-pm/

[101lifts2]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the millions of people who only buy "Japanese" because they put 200k plus on their Toyotas with few or no problems and their "American" GMs were crapping out at 90k.

<----------------------, by the way

You are talking about sales, not about reliability records, which of course can only be used to report quality issues.

When Toyota lauched it's 1998 vehicles (Enhanced EVAP mandate) the diagnostics only ran during the government tested EPA 23 cycle. Meaning they never ran the diagnostics in real world driving. So...when the other American OEMs had Check Engine lights on for gap caps missing or a small leak detected (and it was a big issue), Toyota did not. Subsequently after Toyota won the lawsuit against them from CARB (because the law never said the diagnostics had to actually run in the real world), CARB mandated Rate Based Diagnostics in 2005 to combat the potential fraud by Japanese OEMs (Toyota in general).

Even the California Air Resources Board doesn't trust Toyota...they have left too many a bad stain on things and bascially committed legal fraud.

When you keep the Check Engine OFF and deny blame (see the accelerator pedal, Tacoma tailgates, Sienna oil burning problems etc. etc. etc. I could on) your percieved quality goes up. The only reason you do not hear about these is because they will rarely post up bulletins or perform recals UNLESS they are forced to do so. And...the American public (dumb as they are) believes every bit of it.

They have proven to be a dishonest company to many.....you just don't hear about it.

[Papa_Complex]

If it's legal then it's a loophole, not fraud. If they were given standards to work to, and they did so, then it was government that failed.

... in the same way that they failed to curtail GM, Ford, and Chrysler when they started selling "light trucks" as passenger vehicles.

[101lifts2]

If it's legal then it's a loophole, not fraud. If they were given standards to work to, and they did so, then it was government that failed.

... in the same way that they failed to curtail GM, Ford, and Chrysler when they started selling "light trucks" as passenger vehicles.

So do you trust a car company with your life that tries to find loopholes in shit? I mean come on. The regulation LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER OBD2 regulation was designed to work in the real world. In the Enhanced EVAP case, the EPA 23 test was only the test that the government used. And to clarify, it wasn't a matter that Toyota made sure it ran on the government testing route, moreso that the software ONLY ran the diagnostic when it detected that the governemt test was running. That IMO is fraud. They purposely detected that the specific government test was running and ONLY ran the diagnostic then; never in the real world. This was the reason CARB sued Toyota...and IIRC, Toyota did pay 200 million for it.

[askmrjesus]

They have proven to be a dishonest company to many.....you just don't hear about it.

Yeah, I must have missed that memo, when they bought my '01 Tacoma from me, at 1.5 times retail because of potential frame rust issues.

The thing wasn't even under warranty, and I had bought it used.

Evil Jap Bastards, and their sneaky tricks!

Paying for my rental car while I shopped for a new truck was the final straw.

How dare they make GM look so bad. :lol:

JC

[Papa_Complex]

So do you trust a car company with your life that tries to find loopholes in shit? I mean come on. The regulation LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER OBD2 regulation was designed to work in the real world. In the Enhanced EVAP case, the EPA 23 test was only the test that the government used. And to clarify, it wasn't a matter that Toyota made sure it ran on the government testing route, moreso that the software ONLY ran the diagnostic when it detected that the governemt test was running. That IMO is fraud. They purposely detected that the specific government test was running and ONLY ran the diagnostic then; never in the real world. This was the reason CARB sued Toyota...and IIRC, Toyota did pay 200 million for it.

No, I don't trust car companies. I go by my experience. That's why I went back to a Japanese vehicle.

[Particle Man]

:lol: Dunno about you, but most people I've seen drive have no idea what that "N" means. Or when to use "1" and "2" for that matter- all they know is "D" goes forward, "R" goes back. And "P" means park - but can't figure out how to use a hand brake.

this.

and then they get all pissy when their parking/e-brake needs to be replaced after 50k miles because it's frozen up.

they also wonder why putting the car in Park won't prevent the sucker from rolling away (that's pretty funny to watch :lol:)

I still don't get why people haven't shut the suckers off.

[karl_1052]

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/suburban/83184417.html?index=1&c=y

:?:

Somehow I don't believe him.

[Gas Man]

:boobs:

6505

[Rider]

This Toyota bashing is funny. Proof that uneducated people will stand behind shitty products as proof by the success of Walmart. Toyota has been the leading manufacturer in reliability for over 20 years. At least Toyota did something immediately and had a recall. Fuck, when Fords Explorers were flipping upside down because of bad tires they ignored the problem hoping it would just go away.

[CrazyKell]

This Toyota bashing is funny. Proof that uneducated people will stand behind shitty products as proof by the success of Walmart. Toyota has been the leading manufacturer in reliability for over 20 years. At least Toyota did something immediately and had a recall. Fuck, when Fords Explorers were flipping upside down because of bad tires they ignored the problem hoping it would just go away.

I find it pretty funny too. It seems to be THE thing to argue about on forums right now.

[karl_1052]

This Toyota bashing is funny. Proof that uneducated people will stand behind shitty products as proof by the success of Walmart. Toyota has been the leading manufacturer in reliability for over 20 years. At least Toyota did something immediately and had a recall. Fuck, when Fords Explorers were flipping upside down because of bad tires they ignored the problem hoping it would just go away.

Really?

After ignoring the sudden acceleration problem for more than five years, Toyota has expanded its multiple gas pedal recalls of more than 9 million vehicles for a fifth time to include Toyota vehicles sold in Israel.

[Rider]

Really?

You believe everything in print? :skep:

[Dave]

how is it a ''sudden problem'' if its existed more than five years

[Dave]

again, if you crash from a runaway throttle your ass shouldnt be driving

[karl_1052]

You believe everything in print? :skep:

I believe it from the recall list that goes back to 2005.

[askmrjesus]

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/suburban/83184417.html?index=1&c=y

:?:

Somehow I don't believe him.

Me either. Sounds like he just just got pissed off and rammed the building. :lol:

JC

[Particle Man]

Fuck, when Fords Explorers were flipping upside down because of bad tires they ignored the problem hoping it would just go away.

was it the tires, the underinflation, or the dipshits thinking their SUV = sportscar and could turn like one that was the issue there? :?:

[Papa_Complex]

was it the tires, the underinflation, or the dipshits thinking their SUV = sportscar and could turn like one that was the issue there? :?:

It was written off as inflation issues and people driving a truck like it was a 2-seater, but they obviously saw the need to do SOMETHING about it. When I bought my Dakota, the American companies were running scared over tire failures. There was a warning taped to the dash of my new truck, saying that it was very important to maintain tire pressures. It wasn't necessary with me, because I'm anal about tire pressure.

Even so, all 4 of my tires split at the sidewalls in under 35K Kms. When I went to the dealer about it they said that it wasn't their problem, and that I should go talk to Goodyear. If I'd bought my tires from Goodyear, rather than the dealer, that might have been a reasonable response. At my next service after that they asked if I wanted to get new tires (which obviously I already had). That service advisor likely went home with bleeding ears that night.

[Cutty72]

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.

[101lifts2]

Yeah, I must have missed that memo, when they bought my '01 Tacoma from me, at 1.5 times retail because of potential frame rust issues.

The thing wasn't even under warranty, and I had bought it used.

Evil Jap Bastards, and their sneaky tricks!

Paying for my rental car while I shopped for a new truck was the final straw.

How dare they make GM look so bad. :lol:

JC


I assure you that they didn't buy your truck back because of surface rust: rather frame cracking and trying to shut you up. Could you imagine if you went to court and the governemt found out then forced them to replace frames on thousands of trucks?

The same is happening with the Tundra trucks.

[101lifts2]

This Toyota bashing is funny. Proof that uneducated people will stand behind shitty products as proof by the success of Walmart. Toyota has been the leading manufacturer in reliability for over 20 years. At least Toyota did something immediately and had a recall. Fuck, when Fords Explorers were flipping upside down because of bad tires they ignored the problem hoping it would just go away.


Actually the uneducated is you. You do not know Toyota, only what they want you to hear. You need to work for an OEM to see what really goes on.

FWIW, the government forced Toyota to recall the accelerator pedal, not Toyota. And as stated, this went on for many many years without accepting blame.

[101lifts2]

It was written off as inflation issues and people driving a truck like it was a 2-seater, but they obviously saw the need to do SOMETHING about it. When I bought my Dakota, the American companies were running scared over tire failures. There was a warning taped to the dash of my new truck, saying that it was very important to maintain tire pressures. It wasn't necessary with me, because I'm anal about tire pressure.

Even so, all 4 of my tires split at the sidewalls in under 35K Kms. When I went to the dealer about it they said that it wasn't their problem, and that I should go talk to Goodyear. If I'd bought my tires from Goodyear, rather than the dealer, that might have been a reasonable response. At my next service after that they asked if I wanted to get new tires (which obviously I already had). That service advisor likely went home with bleeding ears that night.

The OEM doesn't warranty tires.

[Particle Man]

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.
I had 2 explorers, both of which came with Firestones and I drove them until they were almost bald and then replaced then (with Goodyear tires becuse I prefer the ride on their RT/S tires) and never had a single problem.

[Rider]

Actually the uneducated is you. You do not know Toyota, only what you see.

FWIW, the government forced Toyota to recall the accelerator pedal, not Toyota.

Who cares if they were forced into a recall. I know what I read in consumer reports and any other car magazine. I'm not bashing American cars here, but facts are facts and Toyota has been the most reliable auto manufacturer for YEARS. The uneducated is you to make a claim like that about me. You don't know me so shut your fucking mouth and crawl back under your rock.

[101lifts2]

Who cares if they were forced into a recall. I know what I read in consumer reports and any other car magazine. I'm not bashing American cars here, but facts are facts and Toyota has been the most reliable auto manufacturer for YEARS. The uneducated is you to make a claim like that about me. You don't know me so shut your fucking mouth and crawl back under your rock.

Consumer Reports is one of the most biased mags around. Heavily paid by certain companies. lol

Most reliable as in problems per 100 vehicles? Check engine light off? What is the measure? If Toyota hushs shit up, their reliablity goes up.

Buick has had a higher reliablity record then Toyota for a long time now. Doesn't mean Buick is any more reliable then Toyota other than the problems may not have been reported because the people who drive them are old as shit.

I've owned many many GM vehicles and only 1 time in 1994 did one leave me stranded. That is reliabliity.

[101lifts2]

....The uneducated is you to make a claim like that about me. You don't know me so shut your fucking mouth and crawl back under your rock.

It's not about you...it's about people like you who believe main stream perception. :lol

[Papa_Complex]

The OEM doesn't warranty tires.

When I buy a product from a company, I expect them to stand behind it.

[karl_1052]

When I buy a product from a company, I expect them to stand behind it.

While you are in reverse?:?:

[azoomm]

Actually the uneducated is you. You do not know Toyota, only what they want you to hear. You need to work for an OEM to see what really goes on.

FWIW, the government forced Toyota to recall the accelerator pedal, not Toyota. And as stated, this went on for many many years without accepting blame.

Just imagine the information about BMW that I'm NOT passing on to all you mear mortals.....

[mr burns] excellent....

muahahahahaha

I'm curious, where do you pull this stuff from? Wait, I really don't want to know :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

While you are in reverse?:?:

That's always an option.

[askmrjesus]

I assure you that they didn't buy your truck back because of surface rust: rather frame cracking and trying to shut you up. Could you imagine if you went to court and the governemt found out then forced them to replace frames on thousands of trucks?

The same is happening with the Tundra trucks.

Well no shit it wasn't just the rust. :lol:

The letter they sent me stated the frame could crack BEACASE of the rust. They did replace thousands of trucks, with no Government pushing.

Fuck dude, they must have combed through a shit ton of DMV registration records, to even find me in the first place. I bought it used from a private party, and never once went to a dealership for service.

Explain that.

JC

[Gas Man]

This Toyota bashing is funny. Proof that uneducated people will stand behind shitty products as proof by the success of Walmart. Toyota has been the leading manufacturer in reliability for over 20 years. At least Toyota did something immediately and had a recall. Fuck, when Fords Explorers were flipping upside down because of bad tires they ignored the problem hoping it would just go away.

As said... they were forced. many auto makers do recalls on a volutentary basis. This definately wasn't one of them.

You believe everything in print? :skep:

Do you?

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.

Agreed!

Who cares if they were forced into a recall. I know what I read in consumer reports and any other car magazine. I'm not bashing American cars here, but facts are facts and Toyota has been the most reliable auto manufacturer for YEARS. The uneducated is you to make a claim like that about me. You don't know me so shut your fucking mouth and crawl back under your rock.

I would not state that for Toyota. For jap motors... I think I would say Honda. Honda beats Toyota down every day of the week.

[Homeslice]

The only problem with Explorers was that the owners manual only specified like 25 psi or something low like that, and on top of that, most drivers don't bother checking, so a lot of them probably dropped to 20 psi or less. Combine soft, mushy tires with evasive manuevers and a high center of gravity, and see what happens.

[Cutty72]

The only problem with Explorers was that the owners manual only specified like 25 psi or something low like that, and on top of that, most drivers don't bother checking, so a lot of them probably dropped to 20 psi or less. Combine soft, mushy tires with Blonde female drivers and inattentive driving, and see what happens.

Fixed :lol:

[101lifts2]

When I buy a product from a company, I expect them to stand behind it.


Apparently you have never bought a Class 3-8 truck because you would be dealing with different vendors for your engine, transmissioin, rear end, cab/chassis and tires.

[101lifts2]

Just imagine the information about BMW that I'm NOT passing on to all you mear mortals.....

[mr burns] excellent....

muahahahahaha

I'm curious, where do you pull this stuff from? Wait, I really don't want to know :lol:

I work for Isuzu....and I worked for Saturn and GM. I also know many people who work for Kia, Hyundia, Honda, Toyota, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Ford and GM. You just hear shit...:lol

[101lifts2]

Well no shit it wasn't just the rust. :lol:

The letter they sent me stated the frame could crack BEACASE of the rust. They did replace thousands of trucks, with no Government pushing.

Fuck dude, they must have combed through a shit ton of DMV registration records, to even find me in the first place. I bought it used from a private party, and never once went to a dealership for service.

Explain that.

JC

They use R.L. Polk vehicle registration data to locate current owners. Every vehicle that is registered is stored in a database containing current customer information which can be given legally (the OEMs have to pay for the data though) without customer consent barring a safety related issue.

Most likely someone filed a complaint on the frame (or an accident occured/lawsuit etc.) and NTSHA was notified. Then, the issue was monitored for other occurences. If the number of occurences exceeded some threshold, then NTSHA will force Toyota to perform a recall. Again I can assure you the company was forced to replace or buy out your vehicle. Don't be fooled.

You want to know when a company takes care of you? Buy a vehicle with a 3/36 and then have something break at 45k (not emission or safety related). If the OEM pays for some of the labor or parts, then they are taking care of you. I can bet Toyota would tell you to go pound sand.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice
The only problem with Explorers was that the owners manual only specified like 25 psi or something low like that, and on top of that, most drivers don't bother checking, so a lot of them probably dropped to 20 psi or less. Combine soft, mushy tires with Blonde female drivers putting on makeup while talking on the phone, and see what happens.....


Fixed again. :lol

[RACER X]

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.



I had 2 explorers, both of which came with Firestones and I drove them until they were almost bald and then replaced then (with Goodyear tires becuse I prefer the ride on their RT/S tires) and never had a single problem.

i sold tires in the early mid 90's, i sold so many NTB said i was the top salesman in the country (sent me on a 1 wk cruise to the caribean) anyways i saw more delaminated firestones then any other tire make at that time, and mostly on exploders.

was it the tire's fault entirely........i doubt it, but it sure didn't help.

it was a combo of stupid drivers, bad veh design and poor tires

stupid drivers thinking they were driving cars vs SUVs, and not realizing a higher COG
stupid drivers not knowing the air pressures and where they shoulda been
stupid drivers driving around w/ delaminating tires and ignoring the problem, and only taking care of it when a tire "sepreated" and tore up the car w/ the flapping tire skin...

even had an Texas A&M scientist come to my shop w/ a court order to try on all sorts of tire sizes so he could measure the ride height of a sport exploder w/ diff. tires.

[askmrjesus]

Most likely someone filed a complaint on the frame (or an accident occured/lawsuit etc.) and NTSHA was notified. Then, the issue was monitored for other occurences. If the number of occurences exceeded some threshold, then NTSHA will force Toyota to perform a recall. Again I can assure you the company was forced to replace or buy out your vehicle. Don't be fooled.


I searched for a NTSHA recall number for a 2001 Toyota Tacoma, that related to any frame issues.

Couldn't find one. If you can find one, let me know.

It's obvious that any car maker would seek to limit damages from possible law suits, but in the case of my truck, it seems they were not "forced" by anyone.

Prove me wrong, GM boy. :lol:

JC

[goof2]

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.

So do I. Unfortunately instead of using this issue as an example to demonstrate to those idiot drivers that tire pressure needs to be checked occasionally, the nanny state government kindly decided to mandate I pay for a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) in any 2008 or newer car. I already have a doubly redundant TPMS. Stage one is my eyes. If I see a fucking tire is low I put air in it. Stage two is a fucking pressure gauge in my glove box that I occasionally use to check the actual pressure. The Government hard at work.:td:

[ceo012384]

An extremely rare occurrence that people are making much ado about nothing... BFD. Just because someone wasn't smart enough to put their car in neutral when it accelerated. It's interesting to see the government involve themselves, as if this has nothing to do with their support (financial) of the american automakers? pwahahahaha right.

I also don't understand why people seem to be wishing ill of toyota, seeing as how they build many vehicles here in the states from non-union labor (as opposed to american companies building their shit in canada and mexico)

I love GMC owners calling me unamerican... yeah nice canadian truck, dumbass.

[Cutty72]

So do I. Unfortunately instead of using this issue as an example to demonstrate to those idiot drivers that tire pressure needs to be checked occasionally, the nanny state government kindly decided to mandate I pay for a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) in any 2008 or newer car. I already have a doubly redundant TPMS. Stage one is my eyes. If I see a fucking tire is low I put air in it. Stage two is a fucking pressure gauge in my glove box that I occasionally use to check the actual pressure. The Government hard at work.:td:

TPMS do one thing and one thing only. Make money for dealerships.
I worked at one, and there are a LOT of people that come in every day thinking it's the end of the world cause their display says "check tire pressure" because they are off a pound or two, and they have no idea what to do.
It's absolutely hilarious in the winter when the light is on when they start the vehicle, but is off by the time they get to the dealership because they warmed up and the pressure is where it should be :lol:


I also don't understand why people seem to be wishing ill of toyota, seeing as how they build many vehicles here in the states from non-union labor (as opposed to american companies building their shit in canada and mexico)

I love GMC owners calling me unamerican... yeah nice canadian truck, dumbass.

With toyota, sure the $18/hr is going to the American everyday joe, but the end profits are going overseas.

With Ford, sure $3/hr is going to Mexico, but the end profits are staying here in the US.

There are differences, we just see them differently.

[101lifts2]

I searched for a NTSHA recall number for a 2001 Toyota Tacoma, that related to any frame issues.

Couldn't find one. If you can find one, let me know.

It's obvious that any car maker would seek to limit damages from possible law suits, but in the case of my truck, it seems they were not "forced" by anyone.

Prove me wrong, GM boy. :lol:

JC

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/08/nhtsa-launches-probe-into-2000-2001-toyota-tundra-frame-rust-cla/

NHTSA does not produce the recall...Toyota does, but they are pressured by NHTSA to do so. So, the 1.5 times the value was something they most likely did to alleviate consumers from suing becuase they had put more money into the vehicle or had extra equipment added on. Bad press is....well bad press.

Again...it was only when NHTSA investigated the Tundra frame issues that Toyota began to back the Tacomas...but I'm sure there was some pressure.

[101lifts2]

So do I. Unfortunately instead of using this issue as an example to demonstrate to those idiot drivers that tire pressure needs to be checked occasionally, the nanny state government kindly decided to mandate I pay for a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) in any 2008 or newer car. I already have a doubly redundant TPMS. Stage one is my eyes. If I see a fucking tire is low I put air in it. Stage two is a fucking pressure gauge in my glove box that I occasionally use to check the actual pressure. The Government hard at work.:td:

The system also saves fuel....and alot of it if you add up all the vehicles with the system in operation.

[101lifts2]

....I also don't understand why people seem to be wishing ill of toyota, seeing as how they build many vehicles here in the states from non-union labor (as opposed to american companies building their shit in canada and mexico)

I love GMC owners calling me unamerican... yeah nice canadian truck, dumbass.

It's simple....more jobs HERE if everyone bought GM, Ford and Chysler.

[RACER X]

It's simple....more jobs HERE if everyone bought GM, Ford and Chysler.

you mean mexico, right? what kinda jobs would increase here if more "american" cars sold?

[Homeslice]

TPMS do one thing and one thing only. Make money for dealerships.
I worked at one, and there are a LOT of people that come in every day thinking it's the end of the world cause their display says "check tire pressure" because they are off a pound or two, and they have no idea what to do.
It's absolutely hilarious in the winter when the light is on when they start the vehicle, but is off by the time they get to the dealership because they warmed up and the pressure is where it should be :lol:


It's also funny renting a car and discovering that they inflated them to 45 psi just so that the warning light would never come on and the customer woudn't return the car or call them asking what to do.

[Papa_Complex]

Apparently you have never bought a Class 3-8 truck because you would be dealing with different vendors for your engine, transmissioin, rear end, cab/chassis and tires.

I didn't buy a commercial vehicle. I bought a personal vehicle. I'll get back to you when I form a Moto GP team.

[askmrjesus]

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/08/nhtsa-launches-probe-into-2000-2001-toyota-tundra-frame-rust-cla/

NHTSA does not produce the recall...Toyota does, but they are pressured by NHTSA to do so. So, the 1.5 times the value was something they most likely did to alleviate consumers from suing becuase they had put more money into the vehicle or had extra equipment added on. Bad press is....well bad press.

Again...it was only when NHTSA investigated the Tundra frame issues that Toyota began to back the Tacomas...but I'm sure there was some pressure.

So, let's recap.

No recall.

Not forced to pay 1.5 times retail book.

They were approached by the NHTSA, and decided to stay ahead of the curve.

Sounds like good management to me. When's the last time GM paid out 1.5 times book, for a faulty vehicle?

I'll take never for a thousand please, Alex.

JC

[goof2]

The system also saves fuel....and alot of it.

It prevents uneven tire wear as well. I still don't need a mandatory nanny state electronic device to tell me about it.

[azoomm]

So, let's recap.

No recall.

Not forced to pay 1.5 times retail book.

They were approached by the NHTSA, and decided to stay ahead of the curve.

Sounds like good management to me. When's the last time GM paid out 1.5 times book, for a faulty vehicle?

I'll take never for a thousand please, Alex.

JC

shhhhhhhhh, don't you understand? They're EVIL. :wink:

I *heart* this thread.

[Kaneman]

On the anniversary of Pearl Harbor a buddy of mine on Facebook (James, if you're reading this it was Matt M.) Anyway, he posted something to the effect that if you drive a Toyota you have forgotten about Pearl Harbor. :lol: :lol: :lol: So we got into a big debate over it, he works for Borg Warner or Delphi or something like that. Engineers have brains that seem to work a little different.

I drive a 1994 Toyota Celica with power headlights, sunroof, windows and mirrors. I bought it from my Mom for $1,700 and it is approaching 150k miles now. The only thing that's ever been replaced on it are the mudflaps. The windows roll up and down, the sunroof opens and closes...and most importantly, it fucking starts when I put the key in it. Also used to have a beat to shit 4 Runner with close to 200k miles on it that I used for offroading. Motherfucker never got stuck despite a wimpy 4cyl engine. It always started too.

In 1998 I bought a brand new Dodge Neon Sport for $12,500. I changed the oil every 4k miles with Mobil 1, I did the recommended services on it that were probably bullshit, and I kept it in good shape. It made it to 75k miles before the motor crated.

I fully intend for my next vehicle to be a Toyota as well.

[askmrjesus]

On the anniversary of Pearl Harbor ....

Tell your buddy that Pearl Harbor, was brought to us by Mitsubishi, (makers of the Zero).

JC

[Kaneman]

Tell your buddy that Pearl Harbor, was brought to us by Mitsubishi, (makers of the Zero).

JC

:lol: Dude, he rides an SV650. The debate was over before it started.

[askmrjesus]

:lol: Dude, he rides an SV650. The debate was over before it started.

:lol:

I almost got into a fight at the 2nd annual Love Run, in California.

It is (was, actually) a big charity run for MS, from Glendale to Malibu. 99.9% Harleys...

Dickhead pulls up next to me at a light, and says "Smells like rice".

I look over and say, "It's probably your Showa forks, Mikuni Carbs, and Nippondenso starter".

He was not amused...:lol:

JC

[Cruzergirl]

If the transportation secretary is telling you not to drive your Toyota. Don't drive your Toyota. :shrug:


Don't drive recalled Toyotas, transportation chief says
WASHINGTON (AP) — Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood is telling owners of recalled Toyotas to stop driving the vehicles and get them fixed.

LaHood's warning came today in testimony before a House Appropriations subcommittee on transportation. LaHood says his advice to owners is to "stop driving it. Take it to a Toyota dealer because they believe they have a fix for it."
Toyota's most recent recall in the United States affects 2.3 million vehicles with the potential for sticking gas pedals.
LaHood told reporters earlier in the day that Toyota owners should contact their dealer immediately and "exercise caution until repairs can be made."

[Kaneman]

If the transportation secretary is telling you not to drive your Toyota. Don't drive your Toyota. :shrug:




Never believe anything that comes from the Govt. If those bastards tell me its cold outside I'll be wearing shorts.


BREAKING NEWS: U.S. official says he misspoke by telling Toyota owners to stop driving recalled cars

[goof2]

If the transportation secretary is telling you not to drive your Toyota. Don't drive your Toyota.

Based on the numbers posted in this thread the problem has been reported on .01% of recalled cars. There is a pretty good chance the Transportation Secretary is an idiot.

BREAKING NEWS: U.S. official says he misspoke by telling Toyota owners to stop driving recalled cars

That didn't take long. Someone must have informed him Toyota doesn't have enough parts or manpower to immediately fix 2.3 million cars.

[Cruzergirl]

Never believe anything that comes from the Govt. If those bastards tell me its cold outside I'll be wearing shorts.


BREAKING NEWS: U.S. official says he misspoke by telling Toyota owners to stop driving recalled cars





:lol

[Papa_Complex]

:lol:

I almost got into a fight at the 2nd annual Love Run, in California.

It is (was, actually) a big charity run for MS, from Glendale to Malibu. 99.9% Harleys...

Dickhead pulls up next to me at a light, and says "Smells like rice".

I look over and say, "It's probably your Showa forks, Mikuni Carbs, and Nippondenso starter".

He was not amused...:lol:

JC

I got a laugh from a HD rider who made a similar comment, not realizing that I was on a BMW :lol:

[askmrjesus]

I got a laugh from a HD rider who made a similar comment, not realizing that I was on a BMW :lol:

Smells like Strudel?

Would have been even funnier if he was on a V-Rod. :lol:

JC

[Papa_Complex]

Smells like Strudel?

Would have been even funnier if he was on a V-Rod. :lol:

JC

No, he thought it was Japanese. He also wasn't too pleased when I told him that his bike had far more Japanese parts on it than my GERMAN bike.

[askmrjesus]

No, he thought it was Japanese. He also wasn't too pleased when I told him that his bike had far more Japanese parts on it than my GERMAN bike.

Strange thing about the truth, it tends to piss people off.

JC

[Homeslice]

Based on the numbers posted in this thread the problem has been reported on .01% of recalled cars. There is a pretty good chance the Transportation Secretary is an idiot.
.

Chance?

Dude justifies his job by acting "tough on safety"

[101lifts2]

you mean mexico, right? what kinda jobs would increase here if more "american" cars sold?

Uhhhh...the engineering and the parts pieces. Vehicle assembly is only piece to the vehicle cost.

The engineering and manufacturing of the individual vehicle pieces on American cars are manily from American vendors.

[101lifts2]

So, let's recap.

No recall.

Not forced to pay 1.5 times retail book.

They were approached by the NHTSA, and decided to stay ahead of the curve.

Sounds like good management to me. When's the last time GM paid out 1.5 times book, for a faulty vehicle?

I'll take never for a thousand please, Alex.

JC

If Toyota CONTACTED YOU DIRECTLY VIA A LETTER...IT WAS A RECALL. That is the only way legally they could have contacted you.

The Tacoma frame issue complaints were from 1995 through 2001 and only until NHTSA began investigating the Tundras did Toyota so something about the Tacomas. I really don't understand what you are missing here. If NHTSA did not investigate the Tundras, you would have gotton nothing.

[Papa_Complex]

If Toyota CONTACTED YOU DIRECTLY VIA A LETTER...IT WAS A RECALL. That is the only way legally they could have contacted you.

The Tacoma frame issue complaints were from 1995 through 2001 and only until NHTSA began investigating the Tundras did Toyota so something about the Tacomas. I really don't understand what you are missing here. If NHTSA did not investigate the Tundras, you would have gotton nothing.

Maybe we're both idiots, but I'm missing what you're trying to say too. The NHSTA tracks recalls, whether as you assert they actually create them or not. I did a search on the NHSTA website for any and all recalls to 2001 Tacomas and found nothing to do with frames. Feel free to do so yourself.

http://www.recalls.gov/

[askmrjesus]

If Toyota CONTACTED YOU DIRECTLY VIA A LETTER...IT WAS A RECALL. That is the only way legally they could have contacted you.

The Tacoma frame issue complaints were from 1995 through 2001 and only until NHTSA began investigating the Tundras did Toyota so something about the Tacomas. I really don't understand what you are missing here. If NHTSA did not investigate the Tundras, you would have gotton nothing.

YELLING LOUDER WON'T MAKE IT TRUE.

You could try it in a different language maybe. Or how about a fancy new font?

IT VAS EIN RECALL!!!

Hmm. Nope, still not true.

Skywriter? Maybe that would make it true?

JC

[101lifts2]

Maybe we're both idiots, but I'm missing what you're trying to say too. The NHSTA tracks recalls, whether as you assert they actually create them or not. I did a search on the NHSTA website for any and all recalls to 2001 Tacomas and found nothing to do with frames. Feel free to do so yourself.

http://www.recalls.gov/

Call up a Toyota dealer and ask them for any campaign or bulletin referring to frame cracking or rust on your model truck.

I'm not sure what NTSHA puts on their website. Remember, this is govt. agency. I actually trust Toyota more than most govt. agencies.

[101lifts2]

YELLING LOUDER WON'T MAKE IT TRUE.

You could try it in a different language maybe. Or how about a fancy new font?

IT VAS EIN RECALL!!!

Hmm. Nope, still not true.

Skywriter? Maybe that would make it true?

JC

It was most likely a voluntary recall, but a recall nontheless. How do you think they contacted you if it wasn't a recall? An OEM cannot locate customers and ask them to come back to the dealer to fix their vehicle or buy it back unless there was a written recall/campaign letter with government notification.

Every documented safety related OEM issue HAS to legally be reported to NHTSA. Has to, though is the key. Toyota never reported the Tacoma issue only until the Tundras were investigated.

[Papa_Complex]

He was saying that it was voluntary all along, while you were saying they were forced to do it. The NHTSA puts all official recalls up in that database.

[askmrjesus]

It was most likely a voluntary recall, but a recall nontheless. How do you think they contacted you if it wasn't a recall? An OEM cannot locate customers and ask them to come back to the dealer to fix their vehicle or buy it back unless there was a written recall/campaign letter with government notification.

Every documented safety related OEM issue HAS to legally be reported to NHTSA. Has to, though is the key. Toyota never reported the Tacoma issue only until the Tundras were investigated.

Dude, now your just fucking babbling.

If Toyota never reported the Tacoma issue, how could they have contacted me without the Government notification you just said they have to have? Seems to be a bit of a contradiction, don't you think?

What they did do, was send me a letter explaining the possibility of a problem, along with an extension on the truck's warranty, and an offer to inspect it. After the inspection, they gave me a big fat check.

Is this was the result of realizing they might have the same problems with the Tacoma, as they did with the Tundra, then good on them for being pro-active.

Again, for the eleventy-billionth time, no recall. Zip, nada, bumpkiss, zero.

So either show me the recall, or for the love of fucking God, STFU already.

You're just pissed that GM, or Saturn or Mitsubishi, or any of the other shit box makers you've worked for, never had the sense to do what Toyota did for me: The right thing.

JC

[ceo012384]

It's simple....more jobs HERE if everyone bought GM, Ford and Chysler.
Uhhhh...the engineering and the parts pieces. Vehicle assembly is only piece to the vehicle cost.

The engineering and manufacturing of the individual vehicle pieces on American cars are manily from American vendors.
Would you mind paying double your portion of the bailout money, and I'll not pay mine?

You're so American and noble, it only makes sense. Thanks.
YELLING LOUDER WON'T MAKE IT TRUE.

You could try it in a different language maybe. Or how about a fancy new font?

IT VAS EIN RECALL!!!

Hmm. Nope, still not true.

Skywriter? Maybe that would make it true?

JC
:lol: fucking perfect. Nice.

[101lifts2]

Edited...below.

[101lifts2]

Dude, now your just fucking babbling.

If Toyota never reported the Tacoma issue, how could they have contacted me without the Government notification you just said they have to have? Seems to be a bit of a contradiction, don't you think?...

Well low and behold (this is typical of this company to not assign blame to themselves) they never reported it, never made a recall and never made a bulletin (even though NTHSA is investigating the Tundra and I'm wondering if they will force a written recall...time will tell). What they did is extend the frame rust perforation to 15 years. BUT...they contacted you which the dude who validates our Owners Manual said that is not legal unless a campaign/recall was written IF the customer was the original owner. I'm going to ask our compliance guy about this. Sounds real real snake like, which as I've said is typical of Toyota. I mean it's one thing to extend the rust through warranty, but another to not release a mandatory recall, but offer you 1.5 times the value of the vehicle. What are we trying to hide here? Hmmmmm

Read on....

"Hi, folks, your friends at Toyota Motor Sales, here. We thought that we should bring to your attention a customer support program we’re announcing today to extend warranty coverage on the frames of Toyota Tacoma trucks from model year 1995 through 2000.

We’ve received reports that on a small number of Tacomas, frames may develop corrosion that goes beyond the normal surface rust that’s commonly found on metal after years of exposure. This corrosion may extend to actual perforation of the frame’s metal.

In response, we’re extending the rust-perforation warranty covering these trucks for a period of 15 years from each vehicle’s original date of purchase, with no mileage limitation, for corrosion that results in perforation of the vehicle’s frame material.

If you own one of these vehicles and you find that its frame may exhibit excessive corrosion to the point of metal perforation, we suggest that you take it to a Toyota dealership when you receive your notification letter so that it can be inspected. If inspection confirms frame corrosion damage perforation, we will either repair the vehicle or repurchase it.

Keep in mind that this is not a recall. Rather, it’s an example of our commitment to our owners.

For a more detailed explanation of the situation, and of our repurchase program, please visit Toyota’s Open Road at http://blogs.toyota.com.

- OpenRoadMaster"

".....You're just pissed that GM, or Saturn or Mitsubishi, or any of the other shit box makers you've worked for, never had the sense to do what Toyota did for me: The right thing.

JC

They avoided a recall....for now. We will see after the Tundra investigation is over whether the recall extends to the Tacoma.

What does it take to see that this company paid you to shut up? Unless you are just too stupid to see it....but why would you care they gave you more then the heap was worth.

[101lifts2]

Would you mind paying double your portion of the bailout money, and I'll not pay mine?

You're so American and noble, it only makes sense. Thanks.

:lol: fucking perfect. Nice.


Do you have something to say? Or do you not like American jobs?

[goof2]

What does it take to see that this company paid you to shut up? Unless you are just too stupid to see it....but why would you care they gave you more then the heap was worth.

Since AMJ is posting about it, and in a positive light, their diabolical plan has failed. Maybe if American manufacturers took notes on Toyota's evil scheme of doing what is necessary to keep customers happy they would be in better shape.

For something like AMJ's situation I think extending the warranty is the better option. They could issue a recall, I bring the truck in, and they find no problem at that time. Two years later can I bring it back in for the same recall? How about another 2 years after that? How long is that recall going to protect me, and how often can I use it, for a condition that can develop years after the recall is issued?

With a 15 year warranty I can keep an eye on the frame. If I see something that concerns me I bring it in to Toyota. If there is a problem they fix it. If there isn't I go on my way, continue to keep an eye on the frame, and if I again see something that concerns me I bring it back in again. The 15 year time period doesn't bother me personally since at my usual annual mileage I would have somewhere between 250k and 300k miles on the truck.