Woman on trial for piercing her...

[askmrjesus]

...Pussies.


Gothic kittens: Woman charged with animal cruelty for selling pierced cats online

By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 1:45 PM on 03rd February 2010

Metal protrudes from their little bodies, pierced through their ears and necks with a 14-gauge needle - usually reserved for the thick skin of cattle.

And at least one of these 'maimed and disfigured' kittens also had an elastic band tied around its tail - an attempt to stem the blood flow so that the tail eventually falls off.

The woman accused of turning three helpless kittens into 'gothic cats' by piercing them up to 10 times went on trial in the U.S. yesterday, charged with animal cruelty.

Dog groomer Holly Crawford, 35, was allegedly selling the pathetic animals online for hundreds of dollars.

Yesterday a vet told the court that the kittens had been maimed and disfigured, and could have died.

Melinda Merck, an animal cruelty investigator and veterinarian, said the ear piercings altered the cats’ hearing.

The piercings at the back of their necks and base of tails hampered balance and jumping, local media quoted her as saying.

'They were maimed and disfigured,' she said, adding that if infections had become severe, the three-month-old kittens could have died.

Dr Merck said piercing the kittens' necks produced a feeling of submission that would linger with the silver metal jewellery.

Mother cats pick up their young from the scruff of the neck, she said, because pressure on the sensitive nerves there leads to submissive action.

'No matter what they tried, they could not escape from this,' she said. 'It would make them feel as if they were constantly being bitten.'

A worker from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (Peta), also testified how she was alerted by an anonymous caller.

Amanda Kyle said she pretended to be interested in buying a kitten. She took pictures, and asked how the procedure was done.

Ms Kyle told the court she was told the kittens were pierced with a 14-gauge needle, which veterinarians usually use for cattle because their skin is so thick.

She said she was also told a rubber band was used to dock the tail of one kitten, stemming the blood flow so the tail falls off.

Ms Kyle said Crawford told her one of the kittens had ripped out a piercing and Crawford was waiting for it to heal before she pierced it again.

She claimed Crawford said she had pierced the kittens because it was 'neat'.

Prosecutors are accusing Crawford of inflicting pain and suffering on the kittens in a cruel bid to make money.

Crawford's lawyers, however, are insisting that she was 'not acting maliciously'.

The woman's home outside the town of Wilkes-Barre in Pennsylvania was raided in December, 2008, after the Peta investigation.

Crawford has insisted that she used sterilised needles and made sure that the kittens were healing properly.

She said she wasn't trying to hurt them.

Humane officer Carol Morrison testified the cost to rehabilitate the kittens was upwards of $1,000.

In an interview with The Associated Press a year ago, Crawford said she didn’t think there was a difference between piercing a cat or a human.

Similar charges against Crawford’s boyfriend, William Blansett, 37, of Sweet Valley, were withdrawn in February.

The trial is set to continue today.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1248211/Gothic-kittens-Holly-Crawford-accused-piercing-cats-selling-online-goes-trial-animal-cruelty.html#ixzz0eTzH2ED8

I'm no PETA lover, but for fuck sakes, kitten piericing? WTF is wrong with people?

JC

[CrazyKell]

Good lord. :rolleyes: WTF?!

[OneSickPsycho]

Docking tails and ears is coolio for dogs though..

[the chi]

Docking tails and ears is coolio for dogs though..

No, no its not. This chick was sick, but thats not much better.

[CrazyKell]

Docking tails and ears is coolio for dogs though..

Not saying it's okay but, aren't those procedures done by vets? Big difference.

[the chi]

Not saying it's okay but, aren't those procedures done by vets? Big difference.


True, but no, they arent always done by vets.

Alot of breeders will attempt these things on their own, as well as some owners thinking that since they've seen it be done, they can do it (like this chick and the tail). When I worked at the vet it wasnt uncommon to see cases the vet had to repair with serious surgery because of some idiot.

[Kaneman]

If you eat animals its ok to put piercings in them with a 14 gauge needle....or something like that!

[Trip]

Wow, just when I thought regular cats were bad enough, some idiot made them worse. Emo Kitteh FTL.

[Rider]

Docking of dogs tails are usually done by the breeder and are done at such an early age that there is no bone in the tail yet and the dog does not suffer any pain. I am however against cropping of dogs ears, even if it is a common practice. Cats on the other hand need to be left the fuck alone. This psycho bitch needs to be punctured a few times..... with a mid-evil sword, right in the fucking ovaries.

[Dave]

that shit is fucked up

[wildchild]

cropping of dogs ears is now illegal in wis.

[Rider]

cropping of dogs ears is now illegal in wis.

Yeah the AKC is now allowing uncropped ears on some breeds in dog shows. Like Boxers for example. Docked tails are still mandatory though.

[smileyman]

Docking of dogs tails are usually done by the breeder and are done at such an early age that there is no bone in the tail yet and the dog does not suffer any pain. I am however against cropping of dogs ears, even if it is a common practice. Cats on the other hand need to be left the fuck alone. This psycho bitch needs to be punctured a few times..... with a mid-evil sword, right in the fucking ovaries.

You desrve a Pabst Blue Ribbon, cause once you say Pabst you've said it all!

[dReWpY]

my boxer is uncropped and i cant imagine him having cropped ears, i think they look silly

[Dave]

cropping of dogs ears is now illegal in wis.

ghey, is circumcision next?

[CrazyKell]

Is the cropped where they make them stick up all "confused puppy" like? Uncropped is just natural?

I like natural better.

[wildchild]

my avatar is an uncropped boxer. this is a cropped boxer

we had a boxer when i was a kid that my dad had the ears cropped on. i hated the whole process.

[wildchild]

people tend to do it because they look "meaner" when cropped. Mine looks like a puppy still in the face and she is over 3 years now.

[Dave]

people tend to do it because they look "meaner" when cropped. Mine looks like a puppy still in the face and she is over 3 years now.

more focused directional hearing ability and fewer things to grab onto are more acceptable reasons.

[askmrjesus]

more focused directional hearing ability and fewer things to grab onto are more acceptable reasons.

Yeah, 'cause dogs have such a hard time hearing things with floppy ears. :lol:

JC

[Kaneman]

more focused directional hearing ability and fewer things to grab onto are more acceptable reasons.

Sorry dude, unless you're fighting dogs (also illegal) there is no good reason to crop a dogs ears. Floppy ears HELP with hearing, that's why they evolved the way they did. They also, in some breeds, act to catch scents and send them to the nose for more focused tracking, etc.

There are, however, some real reasons for cropping a dog's tail. For dogs doing cart work, breeds with powerful but thinly boned tails that will break and....that's about it I think.

[SteveP]

No pics?

Lame

[azoomm]

You know what though... what about cows? Cows get pierced and branded. Yet, that is legal while because it's a fluffly little kitteh its bad? I don't get it.

[askmrjesus]

No pics?

Lame

Click the link you lazy fucker. :lol:

JC

[askmrjesus]

You know what though... what about cows? Cows get pierced and branded. Yet, that is legal while because it's a fluffly little kitteh its bad? I don't get it.

That's a good point, but we do have to eat.

Over time, we realized we didn't have to be assholes about it, and developed less painful methods of identification, and slaughter. It's not like we tag cows just for the "fun" of it.

JC

[azoomm]

That's a good point, but we do have to eat.

Over time, we realized we didn't have to be assholes about it, and developed less painful methods of identification, and slaughter. It's not like we tag cows just for the "fun" of it.

JC

I know... I know... I was kind of kidding. If just, because I don't really care [about either the kitteh or the cows].

And, actually this woman should be put away because she's stupid. The way she was caught... she was selling them online. She didn't do this to HER pets - she did it to sell them, it was marketing.

[Dave]

Sorry dude, unless you're fighting dogs (also illegal) there is no good reason to crop a dogs ears. Floppy ears HELP with hearing, that's why they evolved the way they did. They also, in some breeds, act to catch scents and send them to the nose for more focused tracking, etc.

There are, however, some real reasons for cropping a dog's tail. For dogs doing cart work, breeds with powerful but thinly boned tails that will break and....that's about it I think.

so theres no reason to crop a working or protection dog? no no you jump right to villainous intent.

[askmrjesus]

so theres no reason to crop a working or protection dog? no no you jump right to villainous intent.

Couldn't you just buy him a little helmet instead?

JC

[Dave]

Couldn't you just buy him a little helmet instead?

JC

heh, ever seen scrooged? you just reminded me of 0.52'

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[Avatard]

Docking tails and ears is coolio for dogs though..

Or "trimming" the sexual organs of humans?

:skep:

[Adeptus_Minor]

Or "trimming" the sexual organs of humans?

:skep:

Hey, some of us are happy to not have an anteater snout :lol:redflip

[Rider]

more focused directional hearing ability and fewer things to grab onto are more acceptable reasons.

It's for practical reasons too..at least it was a long time ago and it's considered breed standard. Most dogs that have their ears cropped and tails docked were herding/working dogs and with shorter ears and tails it would prevent them from getting their ears or tails bitten or caught on things while herding cattle or sheep. Also their ears are less prone to yeast infection when cropped. I am still not a fan of cropped ears though.

[askmrjesus]

Or "trimming" the sexual organs of humans?

:skep:

Click the top...

No, not that, the video, the top of the video.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=22112925

JC

[wildchild]

You know what though... what about cows? Cows get pierced and branded. Yet, that is legal while because it's a fluffly little kitteh its bad? I don't get it.

branding is seldom done anymore. now days it is simply an ear tag and that is no different then piercing a childs ears. yeah i know you weren't serious per say but just to let people know who don't regularly see farms. the animals aren't treating like house guests but they aren't abused either.

yes bulls still get nose rings but it may save your ass at some point

[Rider]

yes bulls still get nose rings but it may save your ass at some point

How? I never knew why the put nose rings on bulls.

[askmrjesus]

How? I never knew why the put nose rings on bulls.

Because a cock ring would get your ass kicked.

JC

[Kaneman]

You know what though... what about cows? Cows get pierced and branded. Yet, that is legal while because it's a fluffly little kitteh its bad? I don't get it.

Because white people eat cows and only asians eat kitteh.

so theres no reason to crop a working or protection dog? no no you jump right to villainous intent.

Correct, no reason to crop the ears of a working or protection dog. You see a lot of Police dogs with cropped ears? No.

[wildchild]

How? I never knew why the put nose rings on bulls.

the nose is very sensitive. that's why they sometimes have the chain attached to it. you can lead the bull around without him fighting you with the ring and chain. they also tie the chain to a weight to slow the bull down from charging sometimes.
i've only been charged at once but it wasn't fun. had a friend get put in the hosp from a charge.

[Kaneman]

the nose is very sensitive. that's why they sometimes have the chain attached to it. you can lead the bull around without him fighting you with the ring and chain. they also tie the chain to a weight to slow the bull down from charging sometimes.
i've only been charged at once but it wasn't fun. had a friend get put in the hosp from a charge.

Reminds me of growing up on the ranch man. Getting a bull to chase you was just something we did for fun! I've been getting charged since I was 8...never been hit though.

[cuttle]

that's what she did to the kittens :td:

This cats will be a targeted by other cats all their lives

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2008/Dec/Week3/15187249.jpg

[askmrjesus]

that's what she did to the kittens :td:

This cats will be a targeted by other cats all their lives



They would have been, but I'm guessing the authorities had that shit removed.

The part that got me, is that one of them "tore out" and she was waiting for it to heal up, so she could do it again...

JC

[the chi]

OMG, toss that bitch in the oven with the cat cooker. How could ANYONE think thats acceptable?!

[cuttle]

Docking of dogs tails are usually done by the breeder and are done at such an early age that there is no bone in the tail yet and the dog does not suffer any pain.

No bone yet :?:

Who told you this BS? A breeder?

Unless it's for health reason, I hope cropping and docking will be banned.

In Europe it's mostly illegal to crop and dock, and you are banned from showing dogs that have it done in shows....

[Rider]

No bone yet :?:

Who told you this BS? A breeder?

Unless it's for health reason, I hope cropping and docking will be banned.

In Europe it's mostly illegal to crop and dock, and you are banned from showing dogs that have it done in shows....

Yes a breeder told me. Check out these pages. http://www.netpets.org/dogs/healthspa/case4dock.html and http://www.cdb.org/what_is.htm

They don't mention anything about whether the tail bone is present or not and not being a vet I don't know for sure, but it is a breed standard for many dogs and I'm ok with that.

[Kaneman]

Dude, the tail is a bone. No bone = No tail.

That being said I would not support the banning of tail docking because I do believe there are legitimate reasons to dock a tail for certain working dogs. For example, if my Boxer/Mastiff had a tail proportionate to his body he would be too long to pull a cart without elongating the poles, which would throw off the balance point that keeps the weight off his back and shoulders.

And THAT being said, if I would've had a choice I would not have docked his tail.

[shmike]

OMG, toss that bitch in the oven with the cat cooker. How could ANYONE think thats acceptable?!

The same people that think it's acceptable to pierce their children's ears. :idk:

[Kaneman]

The same people that think it's acceptable to pierce their children's ears. :idk:

Man I was walking through the mall the other day with my wife and we were passing one of the ear piercing kiosks right about the time this lil 2 year old girl was getting her ears pierced. They shot her with that piercing gun and she screamed, and screamed and screamed and man...it sounded horrible.

But hey, at least she looked oh so cute right?

[shmike]

Man I was walking through the mall the other day with my wife and we were passing one of the ear piercing kiosks right about the time this lil 2 year old girl was getting her ears pierced. They shot her with that piercing gun and she screamed, and screamed and screamed and man...it sounded horrible.

But hey, at least she looked oh so cute right?

Yep.

Messicans? It's big in the latin communities.

Is your son "cut"?

[Kaneman]

Yep.

Is your son "cut"?

It was a lil' white girl actually, but yea, all the Mexican babies here have ear rings.

Well, he's really my stepson...I just never look at him that way, so I didn't have a choice. He's "cut"...but it looks like they kinda fucked it up and only did like a half circ or something...I hope it works itself out.

Now on that same subject I'll get a little personal here and admit that I'm not cut. Its never been a problem and never will be. I think there's a lot of untrue propaganda and research out there in favor of it.

Yes, if you don't shower for a week and you're not cut...well you may get a fungus down there. But wash your dick and it'll never be a problem. Hell, I even had unprotected sex a dozen times with a girl that had Chlamydia...and I didn't get it.

When I do have a son I don't *think* I'll have him circ'ed.

[Rider]

I wouldn't let my daughter get her ears pierced until she was 8. She had been begging us from the time she was 4 or 5. I hate when you see little girls still in diapers that have their ears pieced.. Let them grow up and let them make their own decision.

[azoomm]

branding is seldom done anymore. now days it is simply an ear tag and that is no different then piercing a childs ears. yeah i know you weren't serious per say but just to let people know who don't regularly see farms. the animals aren't treating like house guests but they aren't abused either.

yes bulls still get nose rings but it may save your ass at some point

I am well aware of what they do on farms. I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin that was part of a mulit-farm co-op. Granted, it was dairy and not a ranch - but, branding still happened.

Just the point is the cute factor...

How can you say piercings are abuse on said kitteh - but it's not abuse on a calf? Oh, because the calf has it done for commercial reasons. So, it doesn't abuse the calf.

[Kaneman]

I am well aware of what they do on farms. I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin that was part of a mulit-farm co-op. Granted, it was dairy and not a ranch - but, branding still happened.

Just the point is the cute factor...

How can you say piercings are abuse on said kitteh - but it's not abuse on a calf? Oh, because the calf has it done for commercial reasons. So, it doesn't abuse the calf.

Do you think cows and cats have the same emotional capacity?

[shmike]

It was a lil' white girl actually, but yea, all the Mexican babies here have ear rings.

Well, he's really my stepson...I just never look at him that way, so I didn't have a choice. He's "cut"...but it looks like they kinda fucked it up and only did like a half circ or something...I hope it works itself out.

Now on that same subject I'll get a little personal here and admit that I'm not cut. Its never been a problem and never will be. I think there's a lot of untrue propaganda and research out there in favor of it.

Yes, if you don't shower for a week and you're not cut...well you may get a fungus down there. But wash your dick and it'll never be a problem. Hell, I even had unprotected sex a dozen times with a girl that had Chlamydia...and I didn't get it.

When I do have a son I don't *think* I'll have him circ'ed.

Cool.

I never realized he was a step-child. I think that says a lot about the relationship that you have. :dthumb:

I didn't need to know all about your cock but thanks for the insight. :lol:

[Kaneman]

Cool.

I never realized he was a step-child. I think that says a lot about the relationship that you have. :dthumb:

I didn't need to know all about your cock but thanks for the insight. :lol:

Its also large and bulky...but I consider it a carry-on.

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc126/iShmeker/ace_ventura.gif

[shmike]

Do you think cows and cats have the same emotional capacity?

Vincent: Want some bacon?
Jules: No man, I don't eat pork.
Vincent: Are you Jewish?
Jules: Nah, I ain't Jewish, I just don't dig on swine, that's all.
Vincent: Why not?
Jules: Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
Vincent: Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood.
Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker. Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got sense enough to disregard its own feces.
Vincent: How about a dog? Dogs eats its own feces.
Jules: I don't eat dog either.
Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charming motherfuckin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?

[wildchild]

branding is seldom done anymore. now days it is simply an ear tag and that is no different then piercing a childs ears. yeah i know you weren't serious per say but just to let people know who don't regularly see farms. the animals aren't treating like house guests but they aren't abused either.

yes bulls still get nose rings but it may save your ass at some point

I am well aware of what they do on farms. I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin that was part of a mulit-farm co-op. Granted, it was dairy and not a ranch - but, branding still happened.




i realize you know, but many don't i was just throwing in a little temperance for others who don't know anything about farming.

no harm or slight to you intended.

[azoomm]

i realize you know, but many don't i was just throwing in a little temperance for others who don't know anything about farming.

no harm or slight to you intended.

Awwwwww, eHug...

Josh, I don't actually care if one has emotional abilities and the other doesn't. I'm talking about the lack of consistency that is so prevalent in our world. I can have my daughter's ears pierced at birth... but, that's not abuse. That's "pretty".

[Kaneman]

Awwwwww, eHug...

Josh, I don't actually care if one has emotional abilities and the other doesn't. I'm talking about the lack of consistency that is so prevalent in our world. I can have my daughter's ears pierced at birth... but, that's not abuse. That's "pretty".

Yea I hear you. I'm not advocating any type of animal mistreatment, even of the animals that will eventually end up in our bellies. Mass farming is disgusting, and if you've ever been to a commercial cattle ranch it will make you never want to eat beef from the smell alone. Goddamn its sick.

But, piercing a child's ears vs. piercing a cats is different because 99% of all women will choose to get their ears pierced at some point anyway...where as a cat will not. And then there are the issues of making the cat always feel submission or throwing her balance off with the piercings whereas piercing a human's ears has no functional effect.

[azoomm]

But, piercing a child's ears vs. piercing a cats is different because 99% of all women will choose to get their ears pierced at some point anyway...where as a cat will not. And then there are the issues of making the cat always feel submission or throwing her balance off with the piercings whereas piercing a human's ears has no functional effect.

OK, let's take this a step farther.

It is accepted in our society to pierce our daughters ears when they are young... as decoration. The Chinese will not - if just because of their understanding of accupuncture. Through this study one can come to understand there are points and nerve endings in the ears [as well as other places around your body] that effect other senses and functions in our bodies. Slice through one of those, and it might adversly effect your vision, sense of smell, blood pressure or ability to digest foods properly.

Are you SURE it doesn't effect anything? :whistle:

[Kaneman]

OK, let's take this a step farther.

It is accepted in our society to pierce our daughters ears when they are young... as decoration. The Chinese will not - if just because of their understanding of accupuncture. Through this study one can come to understand there are points and nerve endings in the ears [as well as other places around your body] that effect other senses and functions in our bodies. Slice through one of those, and it might adversly effect your vision, sense of smell, blood pressure or ability to digest foods properly.

Are you SURE it doesn't effect anything? :whistle:

No, I'm not sure, and that's a really good point. It might also explain why American women are so fucked up! :lol:

I wouldn't pierce my daughter's ears BTW.

[wildchild]

[QUOTE=azoomm;331886]Awwwwww, eHug...

QUOTE]
my first zoomie hug..........nice :rockwoot:

[Smittie61984]

Wow, just when I thought regular cats were bad enough, some idiot made them worse. Emo Kitteh FTL.

Amen to that. The only gauging that should be done to a cat should be with a 10gauge at the minimum

[Adeptus_Minor]

OK, let's take this a step farther.

It is accepted in our society to pierce our daughters ears when they are young... as decoration. The Chinese will not - if just because of their understanding of accupuncture. Through this study one can come to understand there are points and nerve endings in the ears [as well as other places around your body] that effect other senses and functions in our bodies. Slice through one of those, and it might adversly effect your vision, sense of smell, blood pressure or ability to digest foods properly.

Are you SURE it doesn't effect anything? :whistle:


This is one of the main reasons I don't do the piercing thing myself :wink: