View Full Version : This is how a car tire works on a bike
Scary shit, car tire on a goldwing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaIj1XrmvLM&feature=related
Homeslice
02-07-2010, 02:03 AM
So, he just did it for the video, or is this his permanent tire because he was too cheap to buy a real one?
I dont know, I have seen some bikes with car tires on the back, but they are usually folks who do major miles and really need the life of their tire to last.
Here is another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0ztsRPJmVI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHlbSzwjsg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYhkCA_JwJM&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-ec2f_HGfU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FxBSqR4Ugs
(this one is quite funny)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiymDbcu28Q&feature=related
Homeslice
02-07-2010, 02:25 AM
I can see how it would last a long time, but it will probably hydroplane more often, as any small car driver with wider than stock tires can attest.
thats gotta make for an evil handling pig. no thank you
Phenix_Rider
02-07-2010, 08:59 AM
thats gotta make for an evil handling pig. no thank you
Must of them will tell you there's no discernible difference in handling.
Of course, most of the "car tire is good" guys couldn't tell the difference between a super sport and an overweight ill handling pig to begin with... other than "the seat hurts, and the bars are too low." :td:
BobTheBiker
02-07-2010, 09:28 AM
that wold HAVE to handle badly. considering what we're used to riding, that certainly wont corner like any R6.
goof2
02-07-2010, 10:33 AM
I dont know, I have seen some bikes with car tires on the back, but they are usually folks who do major miles and really need the life of their tire to last.
People were using them on choppers when the wide rear tire thing started, but I think that was because tire manufacturers didn't make motorcycle tires wider than a 230 or 250.
I'd guess that there's no way an insurance adjuster would approve a claim for a bike modified this way. That's just stupid.
Gas Man
02-07-2010, 11:19 AM
First off... its a car tire not a bike tire. Proper part for the proper job. No fuckin way I'd put that shit on my bike. Just look at the contact in lean.
Secondly... the tip of my yamaha guy is a fuckin tool. Obviously for tippin over his bike. Obviously for putting a car tire on it. Less obvious... for talking about "the infamous clutch rattle". Guess what fuckface. That isnt it. You're a fuckin tool.
OreoGaborio
02-07-2010, 11:25 AM
It's pretty wild... Those that haven't tried this are all up in fucking arms about it, saying it's dangerous, handles shitty, blah blah blah, you're gonna get killed.
Those that HAVE tried this, friggin swear by it... and many of those people are generally riders who ride WAYYY more fucking miles a year than any of us here do and have been riding for longer than some of us have been alive.
It just further goes to prove, that in theory, theory = practice.... but in practice, it's not.
Does that mean I'm gonna go try it? No, because I don't ride a cruiser/tourer and I like my bikes to handle as they're designed. I don't just cruise around. But for the folks that just cruise around, I can see this working for them, since it obviously DOES work for them.
I totally think the tip over guy is an idjiot. I just cant imagine the amount of force that it would take to push the bike into a turn off a flat tire like that, and I was surprised at how much that other guy was able to lean on the tire.
BobTheBiker
02-07-2010, 11:30 AM
frankly, I dont give a FUCK what people who log a million straight line or interstate miles a year say, they're the ones that are wrong. yes you CAN get a lot more miles out of that car tire, but no it IS NOT safer/better. totally unacceptable risk to me and I'm not gonna put myself or anyone else, let alone my favorite means of transit at risk by doing this.
the way I ride, I'd be wearing out the SIDEWALLS of that car tire, and it'd blow out in a few weeks easily.
OreoGaborio
02-07-2010, 11:32 AM
Sure ya would.... Except the sidewall never touches the road.
Unless of course you can get these kinds of lean angles.
http://90right.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/glock-mar-09b.jpg
Sure ya would.... Except the sidewall never touches the road.
Unless of course you can get these kinds of lean angles.
http://90right.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/glock-mar-09b.jpg
what they wont tell you is his throttle was stuck when that pic was taken
Particle Man
02-07-2010, 08:54 PM
that's waaaaaaaaaaaay to small of a contact patch in corners for me. :eek:
anthonyk
02-08-2010, 12:41 PM
Didn't even make it all the way through the first video, but did anyone else think that goldwing sounded suspiciously like the tank from Halo?
I rode behind a guy once who swears by this. He rode a Valkyrie, and said it handled like crap to begin with, so he didn't really notice a difference. It was a bit freaky to watch.
Homeslice
02-08-2010, 12:52 PM
Hope these guys don't ride in a heavy downpour.
fasternyou929
02-08-2010, 01:01 PM
It's pretty wild... Those that haven't tried this are all up in fucking arms about it, saying it's dangerous, handles shitty, blah blah blah, you're gonna get killed.
Those that HAVE tried this, friggin swear by it... and many of those people are generally riders who ride WAYYY more fucking miles a year than any of us here do and have been riding for longer than some of us have been alive.No doubt. I know an experienced rider that has one on his wing and swears by it. His track bike is a 636 and he's one fast mofo that knows his stuff.
Here's a video of his trial, and a link to his thread (http://www.ncsportbikes.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21455&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0). He was leery about it at first, too. Very.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAP6VH_LWDY
CasterTroy
02-08-2010, 02:24 PM
it's called "darkside"
And it was NOT to try and get a wider tire :lol it's for longevity…that’s ALL
I’d never EVER do it…but as many have said…those that HAVE friggin LOVE it
Homeslice
02-08-2010, 04:02 PM
A Goldwing isn't exactly a cheap bike.........And if he has a track bike too, then he's not exactly poor. Given that, I don't understand his willingness to put up with subpar handling just to get a few thousand more miles out of a rear tire.
fasternyou929
02-08-2010, 04:13 PM
A Goldwing isn't exactly a cheap bike.........And if he has a track bike too, then he's not exactly poor. Given that, I don't understand his willingness to put up with subpar handling just to get a few thousand more miles out of a rear tire.
No, he's not poor. And if he felt the handling was sub-par, I doubt he'd do it. Even if you have money, who doesn't want to get the most bang for the buck? Direct quote from him:
No, it does not handle as well as a bike tire, but for a bike like the Wing, it does well enough to drag the pegs on 90mph sweepers....Seems to do "well enough" for him in handling, so why not?
Homeslice
02-08-2010, 04:36 PM
Because "does not handle as well" (his words) means less enjoyment, at least in my opinion. Unless there is something fun about using a tire that "does not handle as well".
How many miles can you get out of a good touring tire on a Goldwing? I have no idea, but let's say at least 8-10K..........Now let's say the car tire would last, what, 20-25K? That's a significant improvment, but that's also a lot of miles spent putting up with a tire that (in his words) "does not handle as well"
You are taking a bike that is already heavy and reluctant to turn, and making it even more reluctant by using a tire that's basically flat. Road noise probably increases as well. Resistance to hydroplaning decreases too, since a wide tire doesn't cut into the water as well as a skinny one.
But, to each his own I guess. I'm sure the straight-ahead cruising is stable as a rock.
fasternyou929
02-08-2010, 04:42 PM
Because "does not handle as well" (his words) means less enjoyment, at least in my opinion. Unless there is something fun about using a tire that "does not handle as well".
How many miles can you get out of a good touring tire on a Goldwing? I have no idea, but let's say at least 8-10K..........Now let's say the car tire would last, what, 20-25K? That's a significant improvment, but that's also a lot of miles spent putting up with a tire that (in his words) "does not handle as well"
You are taking a bike that is already heavy and reluctant to turn, and making it even more reluctant by using a tire that's basically flat. Road noise probably increases as well. Resistance to hydroplaning decreases too, since a wide tire doesn't cut into the water as well as a skinny one.
But, to each his own I guess. I'm sure the straight-ahead cruising is stable as a rock.
Just looking at the thing you can tell it's not going to handle as well as a motorcycle tire, so it's not like that was a surprise. It handles fine for how he rides the bike, so he's choosing the cheaper tire that gives him better mileage. Can't really blame him for that. :idk:
CasterTroy
02-08-2010, 04:51 PM
People with money tend to have gotten there by being cheap bastards to begin with :lol
marko138
02-08-2010, 06:08 PM
Fuck all that.
Phenix_Rider
02-08-2010, 07:44 PM
Because "does not handle as well" (his words) means less enjoyment, at least in my opinion. Unless there is something fun about using a tire that "does not handle as well".
How many miles can you get out of a good touring tire on a Goldwing? I have no idea, but let's say at least 8-10K..........Now let's say the car tire would last, what, 20-25K? That's a significant improvment, but that's also a lot of miles spent putting up with a tire that (in his words) "does not handle as well"
You are taking a bike that is already heavy and reluctant to turn, and making it even more reluctant by using a tire that's basically flat. Road noise probably increases as well. Resistance to hydroplaning decreases too, since a wide tire doesn't cut into the water as well as a skinny one.
But, to each his own I guess. I'm sure the straight-ahead cruising is stable as a rock.
I agree that I would NEVER put a car tire on a bike. The guy thinking about putting a car tire on his F4i must be high. There are a few problems with your arguments though.
Car tires have more siping than motorcycle tires- which means less chance of hydroplaning. They just have more space and more tread which gives better water shedding ability. I've heard of motorcycle touring tires going to 15,000-20,000 miles, when the equivalent hard car tires will run to 50,000 miles. While motorcycle tires have a hard time dealing with 600+ pounds each, car tires frequently deal with greater than that. The tires in that video also have a lot more radius between the sidewall and tread than most.
On a bike that can lean past 25 degrees, handling would definitely go to shit. On a wing or a bagger... Well, I gues if you can adjust to lugging 1,200 pounds around, you can adjust to muscling over a square tire too... From that thread, it sounds like a LOT of shit to adjust to. NO THANKS. Paying for tires is part of the game.
Homeslice
02-08-2010, 07:49 PM
^ I agree that car tires have deeper tread etc, but they are wider, and anytime you install wider tires on a car, you get more hydroplaning (if everything else is held constant, such as compound, tread pattern, weight, etc).
Think about it this way, if you're wearing ice skates, you can control yourself on ice, because the blade digs in..........But if you're just wearing shoes, good luck.
fasternyou929
02-08-2010, 08:10 PM
Think about it this way, if you're wearing ice skates...Why do I get the feeling you weren't thinking ice hockey? :lol:
karl_1052
02-09-2010, 04:46 PM
Think about it this way, if you're wearing ice skates, you can control yourself on ice, because the blade digs in..........But if you're just wearing shoes, good luck.
But the blade doesn't dig in.
The physics of ice skating has another factor that plays a role in reduction of friction. The formation of a thin layer of water between the surface of solid ice and the edge of the blade.
This water layer is thin, a few thousand molecules or less, and even thinner at lower temperatures.
Silly Californians, stick to roller blades.
Homeslice
02-09-2010, 05:16 PM
It sure digs in when you stop :shrug:
I have ridden several 100 miles on a rocket III with a Riken Raptor 225/55R16.
It corners fine. As hard as it is for me to wrap my head around what I just said....IT CORNERS FINE.
My problem is when the bike is straight up and down. If the road has a slight crown, the bike "crabs" to me. Feels like it's rolling slightly askew. It feels like I am riding in a constantly changing side draft. I found myself counter steering all over the place and my arms were sore very quickly.
My father in law has 10k on his darkside tire and for him, he's said it's the best thing he's done. He rode it 780 miles one way in a day on it and loves it.
Personally, I think it looks like ass and I don't care for the countersteering....but it's his bike and my Vmax still walks all over it. :-p
http://www.r3owners.net/photoalbum/data/500/medium/5_K_and_going_strong_0031.jpg
Phenix_Rider
02-09-2010, 11:18 PM
But the blade doesn't dig in.
Silly Californians, stick to roller blades.
:lol: Ice skates, snowboards, skis, wakeboards. They all intentionally hydroplane. You wouldn't take a board to the ice rink, or skates to a slope.
fasternyou929
02-09-2010, 11:20 PM
:lol: Ice skates, snowboards, skis, wakeboards. They all intentionally hydroplane. You wouldn't take a board to the ice rink, or skates to a slope.
No, but skates on a luge run... I could respect that. :lol:
Phenix_Rider
02-09-2010, 11:32 PM
No, but skates on a luge run... I could respect that. :lol:
AAAAAhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! :rockwoot:
:boobs: :lol
I agree that I would NEVER put a car tire on a bike. The guy thinking about putting a car tire on his F4i must be high. There are a few problems with your arguments though.
Car tires have more siping than motorcycle tires- which means less chance of hydroplaning. They just have more space and more tread which gives better water shedding ability. I've heard of motorcycle touring tires going to 15,000-20,000 miles, when the equivalent hard car tires will run to 50,000 miles. While motorcycle tires have a hard time dealing with 600+ pounds each, car tires frequently deal with greater than that. The tires in that video also have a lot more radius between the sidewall and tread than most.
On a bike that can lean past 25 degrees, handling would definitely go to shit. On a wing or a bagger... Well, I gues if you can adjust to lugging 1,200 pounds around, you can adjust to muscling over a square tire too... From that thread, it sounds like a LOT of shit to adjust to. NO THANKS. Paying for tires is part of the game.
heh yeah my pilot sports started the crabbing around 9k :lmao:
Homeslice
02-10-2010, 02:14 AM
:lol: Ice skates, snowboards, skis, wakeboards. They all intentionally hydroplane. You wouldn't take a board to the ice rink, or skates to a slope.
I think you guys get my point. When you install snow tires, buying thinner ones helps them dig in even better. It's the same principle with rain. Wider tires don't do as well, all other things equal......you can ask Tire Rack for proof.
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