Old tires a threat

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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aged-tires-driving-hazard-4826897

[BobTheBiker]

right at 5:00 mins proves the tire manufacturers association is a bunch of FUCKTARDS. its no big secret that tires do go bad after a period of time, just like everything else. our motorcycling world has known this for a LONG ASS time.

[Dave]

not according to the darkside guys :lol: one dude was claiming 100,000 mile range on one rear :lmao:

[derf]

not according to the darkside guys :lol: one dude was claiming 100,000 mile range on one rear :lmao:

Sounds somewhat realistic depending on the tire and the size, weight and riding style of the bike and rider. Get one of those super long lasting tires that wont wear out for 70k mi and pussy foot or dont turn and it may just last about 100k mi.

[smileyman]

The front I crashed my Buell on was installed at the factory, delivered to the dealer in Feb 07, ridden for 6 miles, and then stored with the bike until I bought it in July 09. I knew it was stale as shit and it almost killed me.

For comparison the new BT021 on my ZX6 is a better, more consistent tire than the stale year and a half old Pirelli Corsa 3 that lowsided my ass into 6 months of pain.

[Homeslice]

Maybe for bikes, but for cars it's not a big deal. Right now I have some tires that are 10 years old with somewhere between 40-50K miles on them, and they grip just fine. BTW vid doesn't work.

[Flexin]

Maybe for bikes, but for cars it's not a big deal. Right now I have some tires that are 10 years old with somewhere between 40-50K miles on them, and they grip just fine. BTW vid doesn't work.

Yes it grips fine but what they are talking about is the tire coming apart. At that point it doesn't grip anymore.

I don't like the fact that they kept showing highway tractor tires on the side of the road. It was like they were trying to say they were car tires when clearly they were not.

I do believe that they can come apart. And a tread can last longer then the tire itself can but if the tire goes then the tread doesn't mean shit.

I have tossed tires with that were still above the wear bar because of dry rot.

James

[BobTheBiker]

Maybe for bikes, but for cars it's not a big deal. Right now I have some tires that are 10 years old with somewhere between 40-50K miles on them, and they grip just fine. BTW vid doesn't work.

video worked for me.

the issue brought up with car tires wasnt grip, its that they can come apart in normal driving situations.

[goof2]

I don't like the fact that they kept showing highway tractor tires on the side of the road. It was like they were trying to say they were car tires when clearly they were not.

I didn't like that either. The fact that they gave no statistics demonstrating frequency of accidents due to this issue wasn't encouraging. If these accidents occurred with anywhere near the frequency the report implied you also would think they could have found some real life survivors to sit in front of the camera and recount their horrific ordeal. That they only used one possible case to demonstrate their was a problem while laying no foundation for the event in question (how was the van loaded, what condition were the tires in, how many miles did the tires have) doesn't sit well with me. I believe they stated in the video that the tires were 4 years old when purchased and 9 years old at the time of the accident. For the average American passenger vehicle that would equate to around 75k miles on the tires at the time of the accident.

Maybe old tires are the problem the report makes it out to be, but the shitty reporting calls that contention in to question for me.

[Flexin]

I didn't like that either. The fact that they gave no statistics demonstrating frequency of accidents due to this issue wasn't encouraging. If these accidents occurred with anywhere near the frequency the report implied you also would think they could have found some real life survivors to sit in front of the camera and recount their horrific ordeal. That they only used one possible case to demonstrate their was a problem while laying no foundation for the event in question (how was the van loaded, what condition were the tires in, how many miles did the tires have) doesn't sit well with me. I believe they stated in the video that the tires were 4 years old when purchased and 9 years old at the time of the accident. For the average American passenger vehicle that would equate to around 75k miles on the tires at the time of the accident.

Maybe old tires are the problem the report makes it out to be, but the shitty reporting calls that contention in to question for me.

Yes they could have given more info, and it would have been nice to see pics of the other tires since they showed pics of the van.

Tires that are 4 years old should fine for a trip.

James

[goof2]

Yes they could have given more info, and it would have been nice to see pics of the other tires since they showed pics of the van.

Tires that are 4 years old should fine for a trip.

James

4 year old tires should be fine, but that is my primary problem with the story. The tires were 4 years old when sold. At the time of the accident they were 9 years old. How many miles did they accrue over the 5 years they were on the van and what condition were they in at the time of the accident? That they never mentioned either in the story leads me to believe that, at best, those two facts didn't support the narrative they were trying to sell.

[101lifts2]

4 year old tires should be fine, but that is my primary problem with the story. The tires were 4 years old when sold. At the time of the accident they were 9 years old. How many miles did they accrue over the 5 years they were on the van and what condition were they in at the time of the accident? That they never mentioned either in the story leads me to believe that, at best, those two facts didn't support the narrative they were trying to sell.


Exactly...I'm betting the tires were dry rotted and the tread was worn out.

[Flexin]

Exactly...I'm betting the tires were dry rotted and the tread was worn out.

But that is part of the story. In most cases a 4 year old tire isn't going to dry rot IMO. But let it sit for 4 years before installing them on your car.

Did anyone go check the date of their tires because of this story?

James

[Flexin]

4 year old tires should be fine, but that is my primary problem with the story. The tires were 4 years old when sold. At the time of the accident they were 9 years old. How many miles did they accrue over the 5 years they were on the van and what condition were they in at the time of the accident? That they never mentioned either in the story leads me to believe that, at best, those two facts didn't support the narrative they were trying to sell.

Yeah I understand the the issue. I believe the story, I think they did a poor job in telling it but I believe it.

I didn't like how they kept talking about how they were selling the tires as new. They are new tires. They are not used. They are new tires. Just think of the garages that had tires for a long time and would also leave them sitting outside all day in the sun.

James

[Homeslice]

If anything, 4 years of age on the car is worse than 4 years of age sitting around in the store. So I'm not sure I understand what is so bad about a store doing that.

[smileyman]

Auto Tires sitting unmounted in a dry cool place will save along time. Take that tire off the rack, mount it, run it 2000 miles and then store it and its gonna dry rot faster than if it was heat cycling on the car everyday.

Motorcycles are light and depend on that inch and a half or less contact patch to be fresh and sticky. Auto tires with 4000 lbs of car pressing its tread into the pavement are not so heat and compound dependant.

[tommymac]

If anything, 4 years of age on the car is worse than 4 years of age sitting around in the store. So I'm not sure I understand what is so bad about a store doing that.

it adds drama to the story.

[Flexin]

Tires can get old well before the tread is gone. And if a tire is four years old before you buy it how do you know it has been stored in a cool dry place?

James

[smileyman]

Buyer beware. Look out for bargains and always buy from a trusted source. The general public have no clue how their cars work or what requirements they have as far as maintenance. Cant fix ignorance or legislate away the dangers...

[Homeslice]

Tires can get old well before the tread is gone. And if a tire is four years old before you buy it how do you know it has been stored in a cool dry place?

James
Well what if it's mounted on a car, and he keeps his car parked outdoors all the time? I'm not seeing the difference.

It sounds like you guys are blaming retailers for selling old tires.....What do you expect them to do, throw them out after a couple years and take a loss?

[Flexin]

Well what if it's mounted on a car, and he keeps his car parked outdoors all the time? I'm not seeing the difference.

It sounds like you guys are blaming retailers for selling old tires.....What do you expect them to do, throw them out after a couple years and take a loss?

Tires sitting around period is bad. Only time I really let tires sit is off season. So summers sit in my garage during the winter and the winters sit for the warm months.

I'm not blaming them but a customer can refuse to buy them if they are too old. It will maake it hard for small stores because with most products you pay less if you buy more. They might not be able to move enough to do that. One way around that is to have tire warehouses that hold tires for a number of stores. They could call over and have them dropped off. The auto parts stores could start carrying tires. This could solve some of the proble$s for them.

James

[smileyman]

There are alot of tires sitting around out there between the manufacturer, the warehouse/wholesaler, and retailer. Sitting somewhere dark and cool with mold release on them shouldnt be a worry. It is once they get heat cycled a couple times that the rubber really degrades.

Bike tires have a good shelf life too, until they get heat cycled. Then the traction falls off quickly and the dry rott begins in earnest.

[Flexin]

I checked my winters just fir the hell of it. Mine were built in 3808. I bought them in Nov 08 I think.

James