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Dave
03-05-2010, 10:35 PM
had to beat you buellers to the punch :P

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/Buell-1190RR.jpg

The AMA Pro Road Racing season opens at Daytona this week, and one bike not in competition but still making news is the new Buell 1190RR. Wait, wait, wait… Buell Motorcycles is dead – caput. True, but Erik Buell hasn’t closed up shop entirely, having opened the Erik Buell Racing to provide parts support and sell Buell racebikes for 2010.
Buell 1190RR Superbike
The Buell 1190RR: More power and lighter than the 1125RR, but where will it be racing?

Announced earlier this year, Buell unveils details regarding its latest racebike. As as the name implies, the 1190RR bumps up the 1125R displacement. The two cylinders are bored out to 106mm (from 103mm), with stroke unchanged at 67.5mm. Bike description on the Erik Buell Racing website states that: “Engines are completely disassembled and blueprinted, with top-shelf internal parts added to deliver reliable performance at the extreme rev ranges required for a twin-cylinder bike to compete at these power levels.”

The spec sheet reveals use of a dual injector with showerhead for the fueling, rather than the single injector on the 1125RR. The 1190RR also sources a titanium 2-into-1 exhaust, rather than the 1125’s steel unit. All told the mods add up to a claimed 185 rear-wheel horsepower and 93 lb-ft torque. That’s a 10 hp and 7 lb-ft claimed increase over the 1125RR. The 1190 drops eight lbs as well, with a claimed dry weight of 360 lbs.

Erik Buell poses with his original racebike the RW750.
Erik Buell poses with his original racebike, the RW750. More than two decades later, Buell continues to make purpose-built racers.
The 1190RR represented the next step for the Buell marque. In our Erik Buell Interview exclusive, the company founder was explicit about future racing plans, focusing on American SuperBike in 2010 and plans to jump to World Superbike in 2011. Without question, the 1125 would have to be altered to take advantage of the 1200cc displacement gap for Twins to be competitive – a la the 1190.

As for its immediate racing future, the EBR website states of the new 1190 that: “Although it is not currently approved for AMA ASB class racing, this bike can be raced in many classes around the world and should add new excitement racing against other premium street-based twin roadracers.” One team that will campaign the new 1190RR is the German-based Pegasusraceteam.com, which purchased two of the rides to compete in the European Sound of Thunder Series (Erik Buell Racing Makes First Sales). Addition to the AMA Pro Road racing series seems improbable, though Buell has courted AMA homologation controversy in the past – most notably with its XBRR racebike in the old Formula Xtreme series. Plus, the EBR site does use the terminology “not currently approved.”

Whether that statement reflects unrealistic optimism or not, it gives Buell fans a glimmer of hope for the future. At the very least, the 1190RR is proof of what they’re missing.

Buell 1190RR Specs
Engine: 72° V-Twin, 4-Stroke, 4-valve DOHC FF valvetrain
Displacement: 1190 cc
Bore and Stroke: 106 x 67.5
Compression Ratio: 14.25:1
Heads: CNC ported
Valves: Titanium, 42.0mm intake, 35.4 mm exhaust
Power: 185 RWHP @11,500 RPM (Dynojet Rear Wheel)
Torque: 93.0 lb-ft @ 9,500 RPM (Dynojet Rear Wheel)
Piston: Forged alloy slipper type
Rod: Forged H-beam high strength alloy steel
Crankshaft: Lightweight forged steel
Fuel System: IDS Technology DDFI 3 electronic fuel injection and engine management system, fully programmable, 61mm throttle bodies, dual injector with showerhead, PWM fuel pump
Exhaust: Titanium ultralight 2 into 1 system.
Clutch: Multiplate Slipper
Primary Drive: Straight cut gear, 1.806 ratio
Transmission: 6 speed
Ratios: 6th - 24/25 (0.960:1)
5th - 25/24 (1.042:1)
4th - 27/23 (1.174:1)
3rd - 29/21 (1.381:1)
2nd - 28/16 (1.750:1)
1st - 32/13 (2.462:1)
Final Drive: 520 Chain
Frame: Light alloy large section beam with integral fuel cell
Subframe: Light alloy tubular
Wheelbase: Adjustable - 1400 to 1460 mm (55.1 to 57.4 in.)
Rake: Adjustable - 21° to 22.5°
Front Suspension: Showa Race 43mm inverted fork, fully adjustable with BPF technology providing true separation of rebound and compression damping.
Front Wheel Travel: 120mm (4.72 in)
Front Brake: 387.5 mm (15.25 in) semi floating ISO multi-fin rotor with 8 piston ZTL2.5 caliper
Front Wheel: 6 spoke ZTL magnesium, 3.50 x 17
Front Tire: 120/17 ZR-17 Pirelli Diablo Corsa III
Rear Suspension: Light alloy swingarm with Showa Race damper, adjustable compression, rebound and ride height.
Rear Wheel Travel: 127 mm (5 in)
Rear brake: 240mm lightweight disc, 2 piston caliper
Rear Wheel: 6 spoke magnesium, 6.00 x 17
Rear Tire: 190/55 ZR-17 Pirelli Diablo Corsa III
Fuel Capacity: 4.6 US Gal
Battery: Buell Li-tech Lithium Nanotech
Dry Weight: 360 lbs (wet, no fuel)

dReWpY
03-05-2010, 10:44 PM
Old news

smileyman
03-05-2010, 10:46 PM
Gotta be homologated. Has to have a public streetable offering. Anyone want to buy an 1125R, a ZX6, a Firebird, a 5 year old???? i want this. Sure if the money is the same I buy the RSV or KTM but still I like it. alot.

Amber Lamps
03-05-2010, 10:46 PM
Yawn....did someone say something about a company that is out of business but the founder is going to fritter away any money he made while affiliated with HD because he can't face reality and let go?

Amber Lamps
03-05-2010, 10:49 PM
Gotta be homologated. Has to have a public streetable offering. Anyone want to buy an 1125R, a ZX6, a Firebird, a 5 year old???? i want this. Sure if the money is the same I buy the RSV or KTM but still I like it. alot.

Um...from that parts breakdown, I'm thinking $40,000-60,000...I'm surprised that the brakes weren't nixed.

smileyman
03-05-2010, 11:00 PM
Well i think I heard the race prepped 1125RR was out the door about 40, but if he does race these in most series he has to homologate some for street use. Would be a very exclusive group. I still want one. 2 KTMs sound better at that price tho...

Trip
03-05-2010, 11:03 PM
Whatever happened to that weird yellow buell that almost looked like a normal bike?

Dave
03-05-2010, 11:13 PM
Old news

not the specs

Whatever happened to that weird yellow buell that almost looked like a normal bike?

probably got crushed. 99.9% chance it didnt have a reg'able vin

Amber Lamps
03-05-2010, 11:19 PM
Well i think I heard the race prepped 1125RR was out the door about 40, but if he does race these in most series he has to homologate some for street use. Would be a very exclusive group. I still want one. 2 KTMs sound better at that price tho...

Actually, if you work it right... 1. BMW S1000rr and 1. Ducati 1198 and 1. KTM 1190RC8 = 1. Buell 1190RR hmmmm....Heck, you might even get to squeeze in a trailer to haul them in.:lol:

Homeslice
03-05-2010, 11:22 PM
Just curious, why is it whenever there's a streetbike with side-mounted radiators, they get dumped for a front-mount when it's turned into a racebike? Could it be that side-mounts weren't such a great idea?

BTW.....that KTM is HOT

Dave
03-06-2010, 12:21 AM
Just curious, why is it whenever there's a streetbike with side-mounted radiators, they get dumped for a front-mount when it's turned into a racebike? Could it be that side-mounts weren't such a great idea?

BTW.....that KTM is HOT

didnt the rc51s race with side mounts?

Homeslice
03-06-2010, 12:23 AM
didnt the rc51s race with side mounts?

It did? I dunno.

But even so, it seemed to be a popular street mod too.

karl_1052
03-06-2010, 06:14 AM
didnt the rc51s race with side mounts?

Nope, Homeslice is right
http://www.billscycle.ca/imagesPRE/castrol2.jpg
http://www.mcnews.com.au/Wallpaper/Racers/Edwards/2002/Edwards_2002_Germany_RHS_1024.jpg

Dave
03-06-2010, 07:37 AM
Nope, Homeslice is right
http://www.billscycle.ca/imagesPRE/castrol2.jpg
http://www.mcnews.com.au/Wallpaper/Racers/Edwards/2002/Edwards_2002_Germany_RHS_1024.jpg

things that make you go hmm

MikeSP1
03-06-2010, 09:17 AM
that RC is delicious. BTW one front mount radiator is lighter than 2 sidemounts, and it puts just a little more weight on the front end.

Porkchop
03-06-2010, 01:40 PM
Gotta be homologated. Has to have a public streetable offering. Anyone want to buy an 1125R, a ZX6, a Firebird, a 5 year old???? i want this. Sure if the money is the same I buy the RSV or KTM but still I like it. alot.

I'll take the ZX.... its an 05 right??? :dthumb:

marko138
03-06-2010, 06:07 PM
Didn't beat me to anything, Davis. I saw that 2 weeks ago.

Dave
03-06-2010, 07:13 PM
beat you to posting :P

smileyman
03-06-2010, 09:21 PM
I'll take the ZX.... its an 05 right??? :dthumb:

It's yours for 3500...

The Awesome
03-09-2010, 02:31 AM
Let me guess... this one races in the 250 class?

dReWpY
03-09-2010, 02:36 AM
125 class

Dave
03-09-2010, 11:44 AM
i thought it was for the electric class

Tmall
03-09-2010, 12:43 PM
Let me guess... this one races in the 250 class?

Of course. Erik Buell actually writes all of the race regulations, didn't ya know? It's not like he follows the rules and races where he's allowed. He just walks in with his new rule book, hands it over and starts racing.

He's fielding it in the AMA MX class next year. Be sure to check it out.

Dave
03-09-2010, 12:45 PM
Of course. Erik Buell actually writes all of the race regulations, didn't ya know? It's not like he follows the rules and races where he's allowed. He just walks in with his new rule book, hands it over and starts racing.

He's fielding it in the AMA MX class next year. Be sure to check it out.

and the pocket bike gps

smileyman
03-09-2010, 12:59 PM
Back in my dirt track stock car days there were 3 competing tracks that would change up their rule books almost every year to try and pull cars in from the other tracks. There was alot of success in finding the flaws and loopholes. With less than intelligent people writing the rules you could always find a class to cash in on, sometimes befriending the idiots and making small innocent suggestions would give you a subtle advantage, but nothing like DMG gave the Buell.

Tmall
03-09-2010, 01:26 PM
Back in my dirt track stock car days there were 3 competing tracks that would change up their rule books almost every year to try and pull cars in from the other tracks. There was alot of success in finding the flaws and loopholes. With less than intelligent people writing the rules you could always find a class to cash in on, sometimes befriending the idiots and making small innocent suggestions would give you a subtle advantage, but nothing like DMG gave the Buell.

DMG made a class whose deciding factor was HP/weight. That is all. Buell fit, so Buell raced.

I don't see the fuss, nor do I care what those who don't bother to look into the rules think about it. Those same people would bend any rule they could to get a head in life, but somebody takes advantage of the rules without bending or breaking them and they're suddenly experts on morality and ethics. Strange how that works..

smileyman
03-09-2010, 02:14 PM
It isnt about morality or ethics. The backstory is Edmundson had a grudge against the AMA from way back, a grudge against the American Honda Boss, and a general dislike of the jap OEMs. He wrote the rules to give Buell a championship to thumb them all in the eye. Erik was just doing the smart thing, as was Eslick and RMR. They almost didnt pull it off but they did in the end. End of fairy tale.

The Awesome
03-09-2010, 02:22 PM
Of course. Erik Buell actually writes all of the race regulations, didn't ya know? It's not like he follows the rules and races where he's allowed. He just walks in with his new rule book, hands it over and starts racing.

He's fielding it in the AMA MX class next year. Be sure to check it out.

I don't blame Buell at all. If there was a class structured around my bike dominating the field I would be all over it too. I blame DMG for making America the laughing stock of the racing world. They took the crappiest car racing series in the world and modeled a motorcycle variant. The unfortunate part about that is we now have no legitimate means for young talent to make it to the world stage. Racing in this country now begins and ends with club organizations like WERA and CCS. Spies is damn lucky he came along when he did, otherwise he might end up racing Goldwing trikes in DMG for the rest of his career.

Dave
03-09-2010, 03:39 PM
I don't blame Buell at all. If there was a class structured around my bike dominating the field I would be all over it too. I blame DMG for making America the laughing stock of the racing world. They took the crappiest car racing series in the world and modeled a motorcycle variant. The unfortunate part about that is we now have no legitimate means for young talent to make it to the world stage. Racing in this country now begins and ends with club organizations like WERA and CCS. Spies is damn lucky he came along when he did, otherwise he might end up racing Goldwing trikes in DMG for the rest of his career.

i guess at this point you'd fight through wera and then buy into one of the bsb one make feeders and pray to god someone notices you

tommymac
03-09-2010, 05:50 PM
i guess at this point you'd fight through wera and then buy into one of the bsb one make feeders and pray to god someone notices you

thats probably it. Sad too american superbike used to be the series to be in if you werent on the world stage, and guys would come here to race. bayliss was a fill in in american ducati untill he got called back to wsbk and it seems he did prety well there ;)

Dave
03-09-2010, 08:26 PM
thats probably it. Sad too american superbike used to be the series to be in if you werent on the world stage, and guys would come here to race. bayliss was a fill in in american ducati untill he got called back to wsbk and it seems he did prety well there ;)

i really wonder how hayes feels about going from his parkalgar fill in slot to asb

smileyman
03-10-2010, 11:00 AM
It is obvious Hayes wants to jump to Europe, if he puts his head down he could dominate the US series the next couple years and make the jump...

killroy134
05-30-2010, 09:46 AM
Actually, if you work it right... 1. BMW S1000rr and 1. Ducati 1198 and 1. KTM 1190RC8 = 1. Buell 1190RR hmmmm....Heck, you might even get to squeeze in a trailer to haul them in.:lol:

Ducati 1198 R Corse $39,995.00 (NOT RACE PREPPED)
180 HP 361 pounds dry
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/superbike/1198_r_corse/tech_spec.do

Buell 1190RR $44,900.00 (READY TO RACE)
185 HP 360 pounds wet (no fuel)
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/superbike/1198_r_corse/tech_spec.do

Look at the bike specs, these two are pretty equal. I would love to see them both on the same track! It is sad that people can't get excited that someone in the US is actually becoming succesful at making a true American Sportbike.

I cant wait to see what happens when the noncompete agreement is up.

Dave
05-30-2010, 10:34 AM
Ducati 1198 R Corse $39,995.00 (NOT RACE PREPPED)
180 HP 361 pounds dry
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/superbike/1198_r_corse/tech_spec.do

Buell 1190RR $44,900.00 (READY TO RACE)
185 HP 360 pounds wet (no fuel)
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/superbike/1198_r_corse/tech_spec.do

Look at the bike specs, these two are pretty equal. I would love to see them both on the same track! It is sad that people can't get excited that someone in the US is actually becoming succesful at making a true American Sportbike.

I cant wait to see what happens when the noncompete agreement is up.

dusting off ancient threads for your first post screams troll. :wtfru: greets anyway, try to prove me wrong :)

azoomm
05-30-2010, 10:37 AM
dusting off ancient threads for your first post screams troll. :wtfru: greets anyway, try to prove me wrong :)

And, typing that a Ducati and buell are equal? Red flags abound.

Amber Lamps
05-30-2010, 10:39 AM
dusting off ancient threads for your first post screams troll. :wtfru: greets anyway, try to prove me wrong :)

I like how he had to quote me... I saw this, this morning and decided to ignore him. They raced the 1190RR in superbike and got spanked didn't they?:idk:

Who knows maybe this is Erik Buell....:lol:

Amber Lamps
05-30-2010, 10:41 AM
And, typing that a Ducati and buell are equal? Red flags abound.

Yep, I ignored it....

Dave
05-30-2010, 10:44 AM
I like how he had to quote me... I saw this, this morning and decided to ignore him. They raced the 1190RR in superbike and got spanked didn't they?:idk:

Who knows maybe this is Erik Buell....:lol:

id like to think erik has better things to do than troll the internet :lol:

Cutty72
05-30-2010, 11:12 AM
And, typing that a Ducati and buell are equal? Red flags abound.

Yeah, cause clearly the Buell is superior in every way. :D

Amber Lamps
05-30-2010, 02:53 PM
id like to think erik has better things to do than troll the internet :lol:

Oh? Like what?:wink: Answer emails when his bikes suddenly quit?:lol:

Yeah, cause clearly the Buell is superior in every way. :D

You may want to ask Tommy about that one...:lol:

smileyman
05-30-2010, 07:04 PM
Suzuki has been making GSXRs for 30 yrs. The 1125 has been around 3? I'd say some others have a significant head start.

Dave
05-30-2010, 07:07 PM
Oh? Like what?:wink: Answer emails when his bikes suddenly quit?:lol:



You may want to ask Tommy about that one...:lol:

I was thinking more along the lines of masturbating :lol: