Judge dismisses suit over NJ teen driver decals

[Avatard]

http://www.app.com/article/20100306/NEWS03/100306049/0/NEWS06/Judge-dismisses-suit-over-NJ-teen-driver-decals

My own state. Now what, I have to put a sticker on my truck because my kid drives it sometimes? WTF?

[pauldun170]

But in his ruling issued Friday, Brennan said that "operating a motor vehicle is not a
right, it's a privilege subject to state regulations."

A lawyer should have known that this would be the outcome prior to wasting the courts time.

[Cutty72]

ghey

[fatbuckRTO]

But in his ruling issued Friday, Brennan said that "operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it's a privilege subject to state regulations." If he had said "operating a motor vehicle on public roads," I would agree.

[Dave]

http://www.app.com/article/20100306/NEWS03/100306049/0/NEWS06/Judge-dismisses-suit-over-NJ-teen-driver-decals

My own state. Now what, I have to put a sticker on my truck because my kid drives it sometimes? WTF?

gonna need one for yourself in a few years if we keep to japan's model

[Kaneman]

The good ol' "Driving is not a right, its a privledge" argument. What a crock of shit.

I completely agree with the Dad that the plates will help Cops target and harass teen drivers.

[pauldun170]

If this is something you disagree with, then you should petition your local government.
This is not a constitutional issue unless you can somehow prove that in all circumstances operating a motor vehicle which is a specific mode of transportation is an essential liberty covered by one the amendments AND that the amendment in question has been incorporated through the 14th amendment to apply to the states.

Its all tits and ice cream to claim that everything under the sun is a right, but legally the bill of rights is not applicable for everything we have grown accustomed too.

[Kaneman]

So a Government can take away Constitutional freedoms but not add additional freedoms not covered in the original paperwork? Transportation, even as an idea, was so vastly different then from what we have now that I'm not sure why the original Constitution should be expected to cover this.

Nor am I arguing that State government should not have any control over public roads. I'm not anti-speed limit, stop signs etc, etc. I'm extremely anti-drunk driver and believe in the enforcement of reasonable traffic laws by state or local police departments. However, I disagree with being required by the State to identify yourself as being part of a specific population segment such as a teenager.

Rights, like privileges may be taken away. Therefore it is not necessary to look at driving as a "privilege" that the Government has complete control over to believe in the common-sense need for certain legislation. The overall view that open-travel is a luxury afforded to us only as a government allowed luxury is dangerous.

[Avatard]

The Russians kept the population from moving freely about the country. It was part and parcel to their control mechanisms. Perhaps people need to start thinking about it a little more as a right, or face being controlled.

Just a thought.

As for the increased scrutiny upon teens, I can tell you that my daughter has already had to face a ticket at the hands of a cop intent only to harass. I fear further for her now.

[Kaneman]

I remember well being a teenage driver and constantly being pulled over and written completely bullshit tickets. It was only 10 years ago for me, :lol:

But you'll never convince the average American that they're being controlled. People as a majority still very much want to be told what to do and where to do, as long as it is in an indirect manner in the name of some various safety or security. To them, the more technology and power the govt' has to keep those baddies in their cages is all good. Its been said here numerous times, "Don't do nothing wrong and you have nothing to worry about." And that really is the honest mentality of most Americans.

So you can move, but I don't know where you'd go....or you can adapt.

[pauldun170]

So a Government can take away Constitutional freedoms but not add additional freedoms not covered in the original paperwork? Transportation, even as an idea, was so vastly different then from what we have now that I'm not sure why the original Constitution should be expected to cover this.

Nor am I arguing that State government should not have any control over public roads. I'm not anti-speed limit, stop signs etc, etc. I'm extremely anti-drunk driver and believe in the enforcement of reasonable traffic laws by state or local police departments. However, I disagree with being required by the State to identify yourself as being part of a specific population segment such as a teenager.

Rights, like privileges may be taken away. Therefore it is not necessary to look at driving as a "privilege" that the Government has complete control over to believe in the common-sense need for certain legislation. The overall view that open-travel is a luxury afforded to us only as a government allowed luxury is dangerous.

The Government cannot "take away" your constitutional freedoms without having to face the courts. We have more freedoms today than we have EVER had in the history of this country.

The government tossing legislative or regulatory bullshit is another issue and the voters are responsible for that.
Whose idea do you think it was for these stickers?
Donna Weeks, mother of Kyleigh D’Alessio whose death in 2006 resulted in citizens petitioning their local representatives to creat Kyleigh's Law. The law thats forcing these stickers.
Dont blame government. Blame your neighbors for using their constitutional rights to petition government. Blame your other neighbors for being both ignorant and apathetic towards their local government.

[pauldun170]

The Russians kept the population from moving freely about the country. It was part and parcel to their control mechanisms. Perhaps people need to start thinking about it a little more as a right, or face being controlled.

Just a thought.

As for the increased scrutiny upon teens, I can tell you that my daughter has already had to face a ticket at the hands of a cop intent only to harass. I fear further for her now.

You are free to travel where ever you like. Free from interference. You don't even have to pay.

Ya just gotta use your feet.

[Kaneman]

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Dont blame government. Blame your neighbors for using their constitutional rights to petition government. Blame your other neighbors for being both ignorant and apathetic towards their local government.

Oh I do, I certainly do. But then there's always a bit of brainwashing that comes from Govt. control as well isn't there?

[Homeslice]

Donna Weeks, mother of Kyleigh D’Alessio whose death in 2006 resulted in citizens petitioning their local representatives to creat Kyleigh's Law. The law thats forcing these stickers.
In this society, a grieving woman gets whatever she wants. Men are in a constant rush to prove how protective they are, in the hopes of getting some ass.

[Smittie61984]

In this society, a grieving woman gets whatever she wants. Men are in a constant rush to prove how protective they are, in the hopes of getting some ass.

Let the kids die. I mean.. Shit, I'm not getting ass for a month now.

I love how the farther north you get the more of a police state you get. We don't even need tags on the front of our cars here in Georgia.

Cops can already identify teenagers easily enough with their school parking permits.

[pauldun170]

True,
But if you ever want to tie your giraffe to a street lamp at 2:46 in the morning while your buddy who is sitting on you shoulders reads a story to you whie you are wearing a hood....
Georgia gonna lock your ass up.

your absolutely screwed if you curse over the phone while talking to your lawyer because that's illegal too.
Don't say "oh boy" when your lawyer tells you that you're fucked, thats illegal too.

[101lifts2]

In this society, a grieving woman gets whatever she wants. Men are in a constant rush to prove how protective they are, in the hopes of getting some ass.

It's not about getting what she wants, but about some politician getting what he wants. Re-election.

I'm failing to see exactly how putting a sticker or whatever this gimmic does will prevent any teenage driver deaths. What is the gain from this other than sounding good?

[wildchild]

As for the increased scrutiny upon teens, I can tell you that my daughter has already had to face a ticket at the hands of a cop intent only to harass. I fear further for her now.


my son had the thrill of a cop's gun in his face. he was pulled over by officer nazi's girlfriend. so mister hero showed up and asked if she needs help. he then proceeds to put son on ground with gun in face to show off for his girl.

when we took it to court he didn't think it was so damn funny. I personally think cops should have to work rotations throughout the state. all the little podunk small town i think i'm a bad ass because they gave me a gun and a badge pricks should have to do at least two weeks a year in the inner city.

yeah who would ever think that pricks who have been given too much authority at too young of an age would ever harass young people without the money or reputation to defend themselves. nah that would never happen.

[Papa_Complex]

The good ol' "Driving is not a right, its a privledge" argument. What a crock of shit.

I completely agree with the Dad that the plates will help Cops target and harass teen drivers.

It's either a conditional right, or a privilege with low requirements. In either case, it's something that can be taken awy.

... unless you believe in that Freeman bullshit, of course.

[goof2]

I'm failing to see exactly how putting a sticker or whatever this gimmic does will prevent any teenage driver deaths. What is the gain from this other than sounding good?

NJ has restrictions that only allow those with a provisional license (kids) to drive during certain hours. Supposedly kids get in to way more accidents at night than they do during the day. This law is supposed to make it easier for police to know who should and shouldn't be driving at night.

[fasternyou929]

my son had the thrill of a cop's gun in his face. he was pulled over by officer nazi's girlfriend. so mister hero showed up and asked if she needs help. he then proceeds to put son on ground with gun in face to show off for his girl.

when we took it to court he didn't think it was so damn funny.Glad to hear you did something about it. What was the outcome of the case?

[wildchild]

Glad to hear you did something about it. What was the outcome of the case?

all the charges were dropped except a simple speeding ticket.

hero of course got off with nothing more then a note in his file but at least it was noted.

[Papa_Complex]

That note could result in him missing a promotion, because of his poor judgment, so it's a fairly substantial penalty. Should have been loss of job though.

[Avatard]

my son had the thrill of a cop's gun in his face. he was pulled over by officer nazi's girlfriend. so mister hero showed up and asked if she needs help. he then proceeds to put son on ground with gun in face to show off for his girl.

when we took it to court he didn't think it was so damn funny. I personally think cops should have to work rotations throughout the state. all the little podunk small town i think i'm a bad ass because they gave me a gun and a badge pricks should have to do at least two weeks a year in the inner city.

yeah who would ever think that pricks who have been given too much authority at too young of an age would ever harass young people without the money or reputation to defend themselves. nah that would never happen.

Sorry for what your son had to go through, that's awful.

I'm glad you were able to make thing at least partially "right" again, by confronting the monster. I am considering putting camera equipment, and a digital recorder in my kid's car, for her to use if ever she's pulled over.

We now have to protect our children from the police.

[Papa_Complex]

I know many people who have gone the route of a camera on their bike or in their car, because of our ludicrous "racing and stunting" laws.

[pauldun170]

... unless you believe in that Freeman bullshit, of course.

Fuck that guy...
He was all like "I can read you mind! For 5 bucks I will tell you what you desire most"

He goes "You desire Cotton Candy!"
So I says "How the fuck did you do that"
He goes "You mom told me when I was fucking her in the ass"


Fucking....dead....to....me

[Avatard]

all the charges were dropped except a simple speeding ticket.

hero of course got off with nothing more then a note in his file but at least it was noted.

I would have offered him a personal meeting after the court hearing, without his GF, or his gun, to discuss the matter further with him, as a concerned parent...

[Papa_Complex]

:lol:

I was thinking more about idiots like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cci5MSvsSmc&feature=related

[the chi]

I made it through a little over 3 minutes and couldnt take any more. Short version?

It looks as tho he is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction and an arrest tho, Im more on the side of the cops just from watching that couple of minutes. They are probably trying to find out what the hell to do while numb nuts stands outside like an idiot complaining about being cold. Get in the car retard.

[Papa_Complex]

I made it through a little over 3 minutes and couldnt take any more. Short version?

It looks as tho he is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction and an arrest tho, Im more on the side of the cops just from watching that couple of minutes. They are probably trying to find out what the hell to do while numb nuts stands outside like an idiot complaining about being cold. Get in the car retard.

Those who espouse the "Freeman" bullshit use a baffling combination of old English common law and actual Constitutional law. It's almost impossible to make any sense out of the crap that they spout, which is what I suppose they count on when dealing with police. If you want to get really annoyed, search for Freeman/Freemen on Youtube.

Yes, I'm pretty convinced that they're trying to provoke police.

[Kaneman]

It's either a conditional right, or a privilege with low requirements. In either case, it's something that can be taken awy.

... unless you believe in that Freeman bullshit, of course.

There are no rights that can not be taken away, including life, so I'm not sure how that is relevant?

[Kaneman]

That note could result in him missing a promotion, because of his poor judgment, so it's a fairly substantial penalty. Should have been loss of job though.

Dude, he pointed a GUN in someone's face that was not threatening him. And he got a fucking note. A note. You know what you or I would've gotten for doing the same to him? Prison.

Cops like that should be drawn and quartered.

[Avatard]

Seriously. A gun? In my kid's face?

There'd be problems that would extend beyond the court.

[Kaneman]

When did we decide it was ok to let Cops perform to a much lower standard than even the average citizen? The laws should favor the citizens, not the states.

[Papa_Complex]

There are no rights that can not be taken away, including life, so I'm not sure how that is relevant?

The difference is between something that is granted, and something that is given by default.

[Papa_Complex]

Dude, he pointed a GUN in someone's face that was not threatening him. And he got a fucking note. A note. You know what you or I would've gotten for doing the same to him? Prison.

Cops like that should be drawn and quartered.

I was only talking about the administrative penalties, not the legal ones.

[Kaneman]

The difference is between something that is granted, and something that is given by default.

Again, "govt granted rights" or privileges, or whatever.

I was only talking about the administrative penalties, not the legal ones.

So what legal penalties did the cop in question face Wildchild? I'll bet you $100 he didn't get any. But if you pointed a gun at him you'd get 20 years in prison.

So fucked up.

[Avatard]

You point a gun at a cop, and if you don't get shot, you'll be jailed.
Cop does it to your minor child, and gets a note?

I'd give him a note. One word. Goodbye.

[pauldun170]

When did we decide it was ok to let Cops perform to a much lower standard than even the average citizen? The laws should favor the citizens, not the states.

:rockwoot:

[Smittie61984]

True,
But if you ever want to tie your giraffe to a street lamp at 2:46 in the morning while your buddy who is sitting on you shoulders reads a story to you whie you are wearing a hood....
Georgia gonna lock your ass up.
.

Odd law but there for a reason. We seem to have problems with exotic animals running loose in Atlanta. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/22604290/detail.html

Sadly the Zebra obeyed traffic laws better than our drivers. And knew better than to get on MARTA

[pauldun170]

Odd law but there for a reason. We seem to have problems with exotic animals running loose in Atlanta. http://www.wsbtv.com/news/22604290/detail.html

Sadly the Zebra obeyed traffic laws better than our drivers. And knew better than to get on MARTA

I find no mention of Zebra's in Georgia state law therefore it can only be deduced that Georgia is racists against Giraffes.

[Smittie61984]

I find no mention of Zebra's in Georgia state law therefore it can only be deduced that Georgia is racists against Giraffes.

Georgia doesn't like African-Americans. Zebras are half white so it is afforded some of the protections that we give to Republicans.

[wildchild]

Again, "govt granted rights" or privileges, or whatever.



So what legal penalties did the cop in question face Wildchild? I'll bet you $100 he didn't get any. But if you pointed a gun at him you'd get 20 years in prison.

So fucked up.

he faced no legal penalties at all. only a mark.

[wildchild]

Seriously. A gun? In my kid's face?

There'd be problems that would extend beyond the court.

as much as i totally agree with this, the fact is he is a cop, my son was not injured, and if i were to do something drastic it would affect the rest of my life.

[Papa_Complex]

he faced no legal penalties at all. only a mark.

I would hope that there was at least an investigation, of some sort, preferably by a civilian oversight board.

[pauldun170]

Georgia doesn't like African-Americans. Zebras are half white so it is afforded some of the protections that we give to Republicans.

:rockwoot:



:lol:

[Papa_Complex]

Georgia doesn't like African-Americans. Zebras are half white so it is afforded some of the protections that we give to Republicans.

Damned mulato ponies. Neither one nor t'other.