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EpyonXero
03-15-2010, 09:25 AM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gPQ3ktQNqImWyQ23yXKoCFXWrN1QD9EDD4EO0


Texas ed board vote reflects far-right influences
By APRIL CASTRO – 2 days ago

AUSTIN, Texas — A far-right faction of the Texas State Board of Education succeeded Friday in injecting conservative ideals into social studies, history and economics lessons that will be taught to millions of students for the next decade.

Teachers in Texas will be required to cover the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers, but not highlight the philosophical rationale for the separation of church and state. Curriculum standards also will describe the U.S. government as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic," and students will be required to study the decline in value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard.

"We have been about conservatism versus liberalism," said Democrat Mavis Knight of Dallas, explaining her vote against the standards. "We have manipulated strands to insert what we want it to be in the document, regardless as to whether or not it's appropriate."

Following three days of impassioned and acrimonious debate, the board gave preliminary approval to the new standards with a 10-5 party line vote. A final vote is expected in May, after a public comment period that could produce additional amendments and arguments.

Decisions by the board — made up of lawyers, a dentist and a weekly newspaper publisher among others — can affect textbook content nationwide because Texas is one of publishers' biggest clients.

Ultraconservatives wielded their power over hundreds of subjects this week, introducing and rejecting amendments on everything from the civil rights movement to global politics. Hostilities flared and prompted a walkout Thursday by one of the board's most prominent Democrats, Mary Helen Berlanga of Corpus Christi, who accused her colleagues of "whitewashing" curriculum standards.

By late Thursday night, three other Democrats seemed to sense their futility and left, leaving Republicans to easily push through amendments heralding "American exceptionalism" and the U.S. free enterprise system, suggesting it thrives best absent excessive government intervention.

"Some board members themselves acknowledged this morning that the process for revising curriculum standards in Texas is seriously broken, with politics and personal agendas dominating just about every decision," said Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network, which advocates for religious freedom.

Republican Terri Leo, a member of the powerful Christian conservative voting bloc, called the standards "world class" and "exceptional."

Board members argued about the classification of historic periods (still B.C. and A.D., rather than B.C.E. and C.E.); whether students should be required to explain the origins of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its impact on global politics (they will); and whether former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir should be required learning (she will).

In addition to learning the Bill of Rights, the board specified a reference to the Second Amendment right to bear arms in a section about citizenship in a U.S. government class.

Conservatives beat back multiple attempts to include hip-hop as an example of a significant cultural movement.

Numerous attempts to add the names or references to important Hispanics throughout history also were denied, inducing one amendment that would specify that Tejanos died at the Alamo alongside Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie. Another amendment deleted a requirement that sociology students "explain how institutional racism is evident in American society."

Democrats did score a victory by deleting a portion of an amendment by Republican Don McLeroy suggesting that the civil rights movement led to "unrealistic expectations for equal outcomes."

Fort Worth Republican Pat Hardy, a longtime teacher, voted for the new standards, but said she wished the board could work with a more cooperative spirit.

"What we've done is we've taken a document that by nature is too long to begin with and then we've lengthened it some more," Hardy said, shortly after the vote. "Those long lists of names that we've put in there ... it's just too long.

"I just think we failed to keep that in mind, it's hard for teachers to get through it all."

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

the chi
03-15-2010, 09:42 AM
Ya know, I've got a novel idea. What if we stopped arguing about shit we dont want to admit to and actually taught history as it happened?

AquaPython
03-15-2010, 09:44 AM
fucking idiots should be hung in a public square

Cass
03-15-2010, 09:50 AM
History only records what the winners want to tell you, not what actually happened. There are always (at least) 3 sides to every story... Side A, Side B, and the truth.

azoomm
03-15-2010, 09:52 AM
It will only be more fun, now it has to be ratified by the PUBLIC.

shmike
03-15-2010, 09:53 AM
History only records what the winners want to tell you, not what actually happened. There are always (at least) 3 sides to every story... Side A, Side B, and the truth.

Too many people are unaware of this truth.

Homeslice
03-15-2010, 12:43 PM
History only records what the winners want to tell you, not what actually happened.

This could be said for a lot of what's spoonfed us about WWII and Korea.

Anyways....... I can't believe these people actually have enough time to micro-manage details like this. Seriously, who the hell cares to this degree? My parents never looked at the books I was using, or went to any PTA meetings to argue about nonsense like this.

azoomm
03-15-2010, 12:56 PM
This could be said for a lot of what's spoonfed us about WWII and Korea.

Anyways....... I can't believe these people actually have enough time to micro-manage details like this. Seriously, who the hell cares to this degree? My parents never looked at the books I was using, or went to any PTA meetings to argue about nonsense like this.
Maybe that's the problem. Maybe more parents should care.

I can assure you there has always been someone that has looked at the details.

AquaPython
03-15-2010, 01:46 PM
yes, they are called Historians.

pauldun170
03-15-2010, 01:51 PM
yes, they are called Historians.

Historians are a bunch of godless liberals who do not recognize the effect that their writing and researching has on the feelings of idiots.
therefore, they should be marginalized for the good of society.
or else the communists\terrorists win
or something.

Trip
03-15-2010, 02:18 PM
Reminder, this isn't in war room. Make sure you look at the subforum before you go off.

Homeslice
03-15-2010, 02:20 PM
Maybe that's the problem. Maybe more parents should care.
.

If they were involved in textbook selection, the micro-managing would become even more petty than it is.

pauldun170
03-15-2010, 02:20 PM
If they were involved in textbook selection, the micro-managing would become even worse.

Agreed

EpyonXero
03-15-2010, 07:05 PM
Everyone wants to teach their kids what they think is important but one small group of politicians in one state shouldnt have this much power over what goes into textbooks and curriculums across the country.

Captain Morgan
03-15-2010, 07:54 PM
Ya know, I've got a novel idea. What if we stopped arguing about shit we dont want to admit to and actually taught history as it happened?

History only records what the winners want to tell you, not what actually happened. There are always (at least) 3 sides to every story... Side A, Side B, and the truth.

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's almost impossible for history to tell you what REALLY happened because there is always one side that somehow has more power and can make the books say what they want them to say.

Papa_Complex
03-16-2010, 09:55 AM
History only records what the winners want to tell you, not what actually happened. There are always (at least) 3 sides to every story... Side A, Side B, and the truth.

"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" - 1984

shmike
03-16-2010, 10:03 AM
"And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" - 1984

I prefer Rage:

"Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now controls the past
Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now?" - RATM

Papa_Complex
03-16-2010, 10:10 AM
They had to get it somewhere ;)

goof2
03-16-2010, 11:01 AM
I don't know how any parent could trust a school to teach their kids the things the parent deems important.:shrug:

Kaneman
03-16-2010, 11:19 AM
I don't know how any parent could trust a school to teach their kids the things the parent deems important.:shrug:

You absolutely can not. And I brought this up in the teacher thread as well. As much time as I spend educating my son on the things he should be learning at school I'm beginning to think it would be easier to homeschool him.

Homeslice
03-16-2010, 12:15 PM
I don't know how any parent could trust a school to teach their kids the things the parent deems important.:shrug:

I don't know how society can trust the average parent likewise :shrug:

Tons of parents refuse to talk to their kids about sex or anything else that goes against their warped belief system.

Rider
03-16-2010, 12:21 PM
You absolutely can not. And I brought this up in the teacher thread as well. As much time as I spend educating my son on the things he should be learning at school I'm beginning to think it would be easier to homeschool him.

Not so much with my son, but my daughter is always asking for help on her math homework. Stuff the teacher should be teaching her so I end up teaching her and I am wondering what the hell is the teacher doing during the math lesson?

My son never does homework, never studies and he gets straight A's so I figure the teachers must be doing it right with him. :idk: But with my daughter they aren't. She gets good grades but she has to really work at it with my help. My son doesn't.

Trip
03-16-2010, 12:33 PM
Not so much with my son, but my daughter is always asking for help on her math homework. Stuff the teacher should be teaching her so I end up teaching her and I am wondering what the hell is the teacher doing during the math lesson?

My son never does homework, never studies and he gets straight A's so I figure the teachers must be doing it right with him. :idk: But with my daughter they aren't. She gets good grades but she has to really work at it with my help. My son doesn't.

Could also be the kid. That's why some people are fry cooks and some are doctors.

goof2
03-16-2010, 12:36 PM
I don't know how society can trust the average parent likewise :shrug:

Tons of parents refuse to talk to their kids about sex or anything else that goes against their warped belief system.

The argument ultimately becomes one about who has the highest interest in and control over a child. Society as a whole has decided that falls to the parent(s).

goof2
03-16-2010, 12:39 PM
Not so much with my son, but my daughter is always asking for help on her math homework. Stuff the teacher should be teaching her so I end up teaching her and I am wondering what the hell is the teacher doing during the math lesson?

My son never does homework, never studies and he gets straight A's so I figure the teachers must be doing it right with him. :idk: But with my daughter they aren't. She gets good grades but she has to really work at it with my help. My son doesn't.

Some children just "get it", "it" being whatever you want it to be as far as educational concepts, with little to no input from a teacher or extended focus on the concept.

Kaneman
03-16-2010, 12:45 PM
Not so much with my son, but my daughter is always asking for help on her math homework. Stuff the teacher should be teaching her so I end up teaching her and I am wondering what the hell is the teacher doing during the math lesson?

My son never does homework, never studies and he gets straight A's so I figure the teachers must be doing it right with him. :idk: But with my daughter they aren't. She gets good grades but she has to really work at it with my help. My son doesn't.

I was referring more to Social or History lessons, not something as written in stone as math. They even teach Christianity to a degree at his school, so I have to decode him from that.

Papa_Complex
03-16-2010, 12:49 PM
Could also be the kid. That's why some people are fry cooks and some are doctors.

True, though it can also be the teaching style. One style might work for one kid, but not another, regardless of native intelligence. There are also some kids who excel at language skills, but suck at math.

EpyonXero
03-16-2010, 06:04 PM
I don't know how society can trust the average parent likewise :shrug:

Tons of parents refuse to talk to their kids about sex or anything else that goes against their warped belief system.

If you really think about what school is for, it makes sense that the institution would be trusted to teach children things the parents cant or wont. School wasnt created to make one generation as intelligent as the previous generation, it was meant to improve on the previous generation and make them smater. I think thats what most parents want anyway.