Hand Cannon

[azoomm]

I got one.... [evil grin]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/FriMar12150451AmericaChicago2010.jpg

[racedoll]

Love the nails! They match perfectly with your new "cannon" :D

[azoomm]

:lol: I was holding it like that for a reason. The poor guys behind the counter were skeerd of me and my Coach purse. I told them I needed something purse-sized.

"you couldn't find anything smaller?" :lol:

[tached1000rr]

cool:rockwoot: Nails look good too!

[fasternyou929]

Cosmetic edition? :lol:

[JoshuaTree]

When length matters... :D

[Cass]

Big bada-boom!!

[dReWpY]

bejesus

[Dave]

mines automatic :P

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/Khajjathefang/DSCN6303.jpg

[fnfalman]

When you want both length AND girth.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/ShootiingwithBhanu016.jpg

[Adeptus_Minor]

mines automatic :P

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/Khajjathefang/DSCN6303.jpg


The Mateba... you will bring me it. :yum:



Moira, you've gotta let me shoot that...
I'll bring my wussy little .44 Mag. :lol:

[lauralynne]

one of too many:

[Adeptus_Minor]

one of too many:

Nuh uh... you know the answer to "How many guns is enough?"


:wink:

[Cass]

Nuh uh... you know the answer to "How many guns is enough?"


:wink:

Isn't the answer "Just one more..." each time this question is asked?

[Adeptus_Minor]

Isn't the answer "Just one more..." each time this question is asked?

And *that* is why you are a keeper.
(or one of quite a few reasons)

[Gas Man]

If you wanted small.. could have went LCR.

Either way... luv it!!

[BobTheBiker]

Nuh uh... you know the answer to "How many guns is enough?"


:wink:

trick question. nobody can ever have too many guns. even if heyopen the frontdoor and get buried in a firearm avalanche.

[nhgunnut]

I got one.... [evil grin]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/FriMar12150451AmericaChicago2010.jpg

Well if you hit' m with a barrel that short on a 454 you will flash fry'em

[G-Rex]

I like it Moira! I wouldn't mind trying that out! Josh let me shoot his "hand artillery" and holycrap. It hurt my wrist after one round! LOL

Here's a pic of my new addition too! It's my first one, but I can tell it probably won't be my last....

[marko138]

I like it Moira! I wouldn't mind trying that out! Josh let me shoot his "hand artillery" and holycrap. It hurt my wrist after one round! LOL

Here's a pic of my new addition too! It's my first one, but I can tell it probably won't be my last....
Now, there's a gun. I LOVE my XD. FUcking LOVE it.

[Dave]

The Mateba... you will bring me it. :yum:



Moira, you've gotta let me shoot that...
I'll bring my wussy little .44 Mag. :lol:

heh you oughtta see the looks at the range when i bring it out

[Cutty72]

mines automatic :P



Did you read instruction manual before use? :lol:

[Particle Man]

Did you read instruction manual before use? :lol:

I saw that too and started laughing :lol:

[LeeNetworX]

I got one.... [evil grin]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/FriMar12150451AmericaChicago2010.jpg


So based on the nail polish, you are now streetwalking and want to carry to have some protection? :?:

[Dave]

Did you read instruction manual before use? :lol:

cant read italian :lmao:

[wildchild]

ok someone needs to attach the pic so those of us at work can see it. LOL

[Archren]

Here's a pic of my new addition too! It's my first one, but I can tell it probably won't be my last....

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-copy-cats-in-beds.jpg

Being as I got mine right before you decided to get yours. :nee:

Except mine is a .40 S&W to your 9mm...

http://www.twowheelfix.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6869&stc=1&d=1268391975

[G-Rex]

Being as I got mine right before you decided to get yours. :nee:

Except mine is a .40 S&W to your 9mm...


:whistle: :D

[Dave]

I like it Moira! I wouldn't mind trying that out! Josh let me shoot his "hand artillery" and holycrap. It hurt my wrist after one round! LOL

Here's a pic of my new addition too! It's my first one, but I can tell it probably won't be my last....

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-copy-cats-in-beds.jpg

Being as I got mine right before you decided to get yours. :nee:

Except mine is a .40 S&W to your 9mm...

http://www.twowheelfix.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6869&stc=1&d=1268391975

this thread was clearly about wheelguns, cheaters :P in that case i'll retaliate with another notorious member of my collection ;)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/Khajjathefang/DSCN6304.jpg

[ericr]

Nice baby cannon Moira :dthumb: ;)

[anthonyk]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-copy-cats-in-beds.jpg

Being as I got mine right before you decided to get yours. :nee:

Except mine is a .40 S&W to your 9mm...

http://www.twowheelfix.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6869&stc=1&d=1268391975

Ah shit man, you got the 9mm?

I gotta say, I'm gonna feel really safe on Austin group rides. :)

[azoomm]

this thread was clearly about wheelguns, cheaters :P

Yeah.... :nee:

Lee, I just have glittah nail to get fancy boyfriend... :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsWrY77o77o

[RACER X]

shot a casuell at the range last yr sometime, shot very well, though i don't see shooting 100rds in 1 session. your hand would be numb

shot my neighbors XDM last weekend again at the range last weekend, trigger was weird kinda loose feeling

i'll stick to my kimber 1911

[Rider]

I just saw in the paper today a Taurus 454 casull with 8 1/2' barrell for sale. $750

[MILK]

Big bada-boom!!

Oh I love that movie!!

Sweet gun woman!!!

[dReWpY]

this thread was clearly about wheelguns, cheaters :P in that case i'll retaliate with another notorious member of my collection ;)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/Khajjathefang/DSCN6304.jpg

??? what is it? i give

[dReWpY]

FN?

[Phenix_Rider]

FN?

Looks like the 5-Seven or however they cobble the name. Same round as the FN-P90 if I recall.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Looks like the 5-Seven or however they cobble the name. Same round as the FN-P90 if I recall.

Yep. Five-seveN (see how clever they are, you get the capital 'F' and 'N')
5.7x28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOydFpLmhO0

[Kaneman]

I thought it said "Super Redneck" on first glance. :lol:

That's a sweet pistol. Owning a weapon that will take down a bear is a must.

[azoomm]

I thought it said "Super Redneck" on first glance. :lol:

That's a sweet pistol. Owning a weapon that will take down a bear is a must.

I agree. Clearly.

[Dave]

FN?

yep FiveseveN IOM

['73 H1 Triple]

First, very nice :dthumb:

Second ( and most serious ), can you really shoot that accurately?

No disrespect intended or inferred but women that can handle large caliber handguns are few and far between. ( so guys suck at shooting too :lol: )

If you can shoot that well, you will be number two of the women I know who can shoot hand cannons well. My friend Andi went out shopping for another pistol with her husband Mike and she picked out a S&W 500

She's 4'-10" and probably 100 lbs soaking wet. She loves shooting it and does very well.

Jeff

[marko138]

shot a casuell at the range last yr sometime, shot very well, though i don't see shooting 100rds in 1 session. your hand would be numb

shot my neighbors XDM last weekend again at the range last weekend, trigger was weird kinda loose feeling

i'll stick to my kimber 1911

I've not shot the XDm but I dont think my XD feels loose. I put 200 rounds through it 2 weeks ago. Got another 150 I need to send down range this weekend.

[Phenix_Rider]

Yep. Five-seveN (see how clever they are, you get the capital 'F' and 'N')
5.7x28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOydFpLmhO0

That round just looks strange going in a pistol. And either he has small hands :lol: or that gun is a lot bigger than I thought.

[goof2]

That round just looks strange going in a pistol. And either he has small hands :lol: or that gun is a lot bigger than I thought.

They are about the same size as any normal full size polymer pistol.

[Dave]

That round just looks strange going in a pistol. And either he has small hands :lol: or that gun is a lot bigger than I thought.

its on the large side. and the round makes a LOT of sense for its intended purpose

[azoomm]

First, very nice :dthumb:

Second ( and most serious ), can you really shoot that accurately?

No disrespect intended or inferred but women that can handle large caliber handguns are few and far between. ( so guys suck at shooting too :lol: )

If you can shoot that well, you will be number two of the women I know who can shoot hand cannons well. My friend Andi went out shopping for another pistol with her husband Mike and she picked out a S&W 500

She's 4'-10" and probably 100 lbs soaking wet. She loves shooting it and does very well.

Jeff

Not offended, I'm new to the hand cannon game. I'm very curious, And digging it so far.

History, I was involved in a home invasion with a shot gun in my hands. I won. In a small space, a shot gun becomes similar to a baseball bat. I know.... they shouldn't get that close. Whatever. A room IS a small space. Maybe I'll tell you more one day.

My shot, with the. .45 colt... yes, that's a hole thru the side of it. I call it "beginners luck." I hit it 6 out of 10 shots at 20 feet-ish.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/FriMar12165958AmericaChicago2010.jpg

[nhgunnut]

Just to add a 3rd woman that handles a large caliber well (not a hand cannon admittedly) My wife is quite proficient with my SW Performance Center Modle 29 V Comp 44 mag. (3 inch) My experience may be different but it is placing the first shot that counts. The flinch for most people occurs with the second shot

[Dave]

Not offended, I'm new to the hand cannon game. I'm very curious, And digging it so far.

History, I was involved in a home invasion with a shot gun in my hands. I won. In a small space, a shot gun becomes similar to a baseball bat. I know.... they shouldn't get that close. Whatever. A room IS a small space. Maybe I'll tell you more one day.

My shot, with the. .45 colt... yes, that's a hole thru the side of it. I call it "beginners luck." I hit it 6 out of 10 shots at 20 feet-ish.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/FriMar12165958AmericaChicago2010.jpg

heh my old man used to have a .357 for that purpose. Always kept snakeshot in the first chamber. Different times.

[Amorok]

Some of mine. I have a few more, but I don't have pictures of them handy.

[azoomm]

heh my old man used to have a .357 for that purpose. Always kept snakeshot in the first chamber. Different times.

I have kids in the house - guns don't ever stay loaded with anything for that reason. But, I agree with bird-shot, snake-shot... not blow a hole through the wall shot for the first round.

[Phenix_Rider]

Some of mine. I have a few more, but I don't have pictures of them handy.

And the only one you didn't take to the Rally was the shotgun...

[goof2]

Some of mine. I have a few more, but I don't have pictures of them handy.

What is that .357 with the 1911 looking slide?

[Adeptus_Minor]

What is that .357 with the 1911 looking slide?

Looks like a Coonan .357, though the slabby grips & counterweight are unfamiliar to me.

[Dave]

I have kids in the house - guns don't ever stay loaded with anything for that reason. But, I agree with bird-shot, snake-shot... not blow a hole through the wall shot for the first round.

have you considered a keypad lockbox? Pretty easy to mount them where grubby little paws cant reach and still offer fast access if need be.

[tommymac]

And the only one you didn't take to the Rally was the shotgun...

No he had that there too :lol:

[Phenix_Rider]

No he had that there too :lol:

No Shit?! :?: Where did he put that thi... nevermind, I really don't want to know...

['73 H1 Triple]

Not offended, I'm new to the hand cannon game. I'm very curious, And digging it so far.

History, I was involved in a home invasion with a shot gun in my hands. I won. In a small space, a shot gun becomes similar to a baseball bat. I know.... they shouldn't get that close. Whatever. A room IS a small space. Maybe I'll tell you more one day.

My shot, with the. .45 colt... yes, that's a hole thru the side of it. I call it "beginners luck." I hit it 6 out of 10 shots at 20 feet-ish.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/FriMar12165958AmericaChicago2010.jpg

Good to hear you're enjoying it. I see you have a good reason for a large caliber too. Also very good to hear you came out on top.

I have a suggestion for starting to shoot with pretty much any weapon. Get yourself a large piece of cardboard as a target. 3' square works great.

You want to see where the bullets actually land when you shoot. No need to to put up a target on the cardboard at first, you're working on basic control. So every shot on the cardboard is good. :yes:

I would also find some light loads to start out with. Light bullets in the .45 long colt ( maybe even lead bullets if you don't mind the extra clean up work ). 20' is OK to start, 15' would be better. The main objective is building confidence. When you're shooting pie plate size groups, then put up a target.

Here's some of my handguns
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/JRD77VET/Seneca%20Arms%20Co/DCP_1636A.jpg

Jeff

[Riceaholic]

God...I've got a Desert Eagle .50 and feel like I should be wearing a tutu...:lol:

[Dave]

God...I've got a Desert Eagle .50 and feel like I should be wearing a tutu...:lol:

never met one of those that i actually liked. Or that cycled properly

[Bryan]

It's my two handed cannon that pretty much says "go away" in any language...
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q116/Piper_pilot/AR-15004.jpg

[marko138]

It's my two handed cannon that pretty much says "go away" in any language...
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q116/Piper_pilot/AR-15004.jpg
Pretty universal. How do you conceal that?

['73 H1 Triple]

Pretty universal. How do you conceal that?

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/me20008/trench-coat.gif

Trench coat :dthumb:

[Archren]

It's my two handed cannon that pretty much says "go away" in any language...


Mmm... AR. I'm still more of a fan of the collapsible buttstocks... maybe because I can adjust it to where I'm more comfortable (usually about mid-way as opposed to fully extended). That and rails are nice for adding on goodies.

But that's just me. :D

[TommyHotWheel]

I found a gun I would like to buy my ex-wife...















http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/TommyHotWheel/Gun20Backfire.gif?t=1269227413

[fnfalman]

Mmm... AR. I'm still more of a fan of the collapsible buttstocks... maybe because I can adjust it to where I'm more comfortable (usually about mid-way as opposed to fully extended). That and rails are nice for adding on goodies.

But that's just me. :D

That's the problem with you youngsters nowadays. Comfort and gadgets.

I'd rather have the M16A2's buttstock that's strong enough to crack some serious heads. The only accessory acceptable on a combat rifle is a bayonet.

[Dave]

That's the problem with you youngsters nowadays. Comfort and gadgets.

I'd rather have the M16A2's buttstock that's strong enough to crack some serious heads. The only accessory acceptable on a combat rifle is a bayonet.

:x:

id rather a proper rifle like a fourteen. ARs suck period.

[Archren]

That's the problem with you youngsters nowadays. Comfort and gadgets.

I'd rather have the M16A2's buttstock that's strong enough to crack some serious heads. The only accessory acceptable on a combat rifle is a bayonet.

I'd rather put a bullet into hajji before he gets close enough to need to worry about cracking him in the skull with my buttstock. And last I checked CCOs improve accuracy in close quarters combat significantly when it comes to reflexive fire (which, for the Joes who are the ones kicking down doors... isn't that what we want, greater accuracy?). Wherever that red dot is, that's where the bullet goes (assuming it's properly zeroed).

Is it cheating? Of course it is. Anyone can say that "iron sights are better" if you're beating your chest talking about how skilled you are, and you'd probably be right (in terms of overall skill). But when it comes to actual combat... If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin...

Besides, most of these insurgents are pussies and would rather blow you up while taking video from a mile away than actually fight you face to face. So, in this case gadgets (particularly optics, CREW systems, NVGs, etc.) win.

[Dave]

heres mine, springfield socom 16 with the short barrel and very effective compensator

[HokieDNA01]

I bet that thing kicks like a mule Moira. Sweet looking gun! Here is Kerry and my combined "arsonal"

http://www.twowheelfix.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3949&stc=1&d=1236696269

[fnfalman]

I'd rather put a bullet into hajji before he gets close enough to need to worry about cracking him in the skull with my buttstock. And last I checked CCOs improve accuracy in close quarters combat significantly when it comes to reflexive fire (which, for the Joes who are the ones kicking down doors... isn't that what we want, greater accuracy?). Wherever that red dot is, that's where the bullet goes (assuming it's properly zeroed).

Is it cheating? Of course it is. Anyone can say that "iron sights are better" if you're beating your chest talking about how skilled you are, and you'd probably be right (in terms of overall skill). But when it comes to actual combat... If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin...

Besides, most of these insurgents are pussies and would rather blow you up while taking video from a mile away than actually fight you face to face. So, in this case gadgets (particularly optics, CREW systems, NVGs, etc.) win.


At close quarters, you don't even need reflex sights. Point and shoot from the shoulder work just fine. Tipped with a bayonet, if you run out of ammo, you'd cross the room and stick'em a lot faster than fumbling for a reload or trying to pull out a pistol. At longer distances, the red dots are too big for precision shooting. I see zero benefit for a red dot sight. A short scope like the ACOG is a different story, but to me reflex sights are worthless.

As far as if you're not cheatin', you're not tryin'...that's why God invented frags.

[Adeptus_Minor]

I bet that thing kicks like a mule Moira. Sweet looking gun! Here is Kerry and my combined "arsenal"

http://www.twowheelfix.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3949&stc=1&d=1236696269

Oooh, love that BuckMark.
Either that or a Ruger MkII or MkIII are on my list for future purchases.
No collection is complete without a solid .22 pistol. :dthumb:

[Cutty72]

At close quarters, you don't even need reflex sights. Point and shoot from the shoulder work just fine. Tipped with a bayonet, if you run out of ammo, you'd cross the room and stick'em a lot faster than fumbling for a reload or trying to pull out a pistol. At longer distances, the red dots are too big for precision shooting. I see zero benefit for a red dot sight. A short scope like the ACOG is a different story, but to me reflex sights are worthless.

As far as if you're not cheatin', you're not tryin'...that's why God invented frags.


Ever been in CQC? Training or otherwise?
Second, have you ever used a CCO?
The CCO works wonders to help clear a room effectively. Point and shoot works with a shotgun, or a stationary target. Target running on the other side of windows/doorways is more easily taken out with some sight picture.
The ACOG is worthless in the same scenario, as the magnification throws off distance and makes it more difficult to acquire a close rapidly moving target.
It is great, however, for its intended purpose. In the hands of a trained Squad Designated Marksman, a M4/M16 with an ACOG can take out targets at a greater distance without need for a sniper rifle.

Next, collapsible but stock. True, fully extended, it may not be as durable as a solid stock, however, it is not nearly as versatile.
Wearing full battle rattle is very bulky, and todays combat environments are becoming more urban and close quarters orientated. The collapsible but stock gives the warrior more options to make his "tools" fit him/her better. Like they say, the most effective weapon is one that you feel comfortable with and fits you. With a solid stock, it is difficult to get the rifle into firing position while wearing all your gear. Further, when clearing rooms the added length is a hindrance.

These are my opinions. True, I am not "in the shit" per-say, but I have gone through all the same training, and have been dealing with/carrying these weapons for the last 9 months. Take it for what you will.

[Dave]

At close quarters, you don't even need reflex sights. Point and shoot from the shoulder work just fine. Tipped with a bayonet, if you run out of ammo, you'd cross the room and stick'em a lot faster than fumbling for a reload or trying to pull out a pistol. At longer distances, the red dots are too big for precision shooting. I see zero benefit for a red dot sight. A short scope like the ACOG is a different story, but to me reflex sights are worthless.

As far as if you're not cheatin', you're not tryin'...that's why God invented frags.

no benefit? With iron sights you have to line up three points: back, front sight, and target with your point of focus being the front sight. With a reflex or holo you only have two points: reticle and target and your focus is at the target. you also keep both eyes open with a cco which helps make picking up targets ungodly fast

[Dave]

Oooh, love that BuckMark.
Either that or a Ruger MkII or MkIII are on my list for future purchases.
No collection is complete without a solid .22 pistol. :dthumb:

ill have to post the izh-35 when i get home lol

[Cutty72]

Forgot to add also, with the red dot not being small enough for long distance targets.
Personally, I can get my red dot finer than the front sight post. Guess you just have shitty eyesight.

[HokieDNA01]

Oooh, love that BuckMark.
Either that or a Ruger MkII or MkIII are on my list for future purchases.
No collection is complete without a solid .22 pistol. :dthumb:

That buckmark is a BLAST to shoot and super cheap for ammo. I think 550 rounds were $15. I can burn through $15 in less than 5 mins with my 9mm's. The BM has even killed a deer....granted it was at pointblank range to the top of the head (she had been hit by a car and was stugglin bad). .22's are fun.

I'm thinkin about a .22 LR rifle now for target shooting but I would also like to hunt on occation so I'm torn. If I go higher cal. ammo will go up in price like crazy. Wish there was a happy medium.

[Kerry_129]

Oooh, love that BuckMark.
Either that or a Ruger MkII or MkIII are on my list for future purchases.
No collection is complete without a solid .22 pistol. :dthumb:

Me too!! Extremely fun to plink with - tack-driving accuracy, and you can shoot all day long for a few bucks. :)

Man, now I want to go play with the bang-sticks - it's been too long... :rockwoot:

[wildchild]

must be contagious. my better half just went and filled out the papers for her first handgun. just a little Beretta .22. inexpensive to purchase and shoot.

she's already talking about her next one. LOL

[Adeptus_Minor]

she's already talking about her next one. LOL

Guns are like tattoos.
Beautiful to some, menacing to others, and for those that get one...one is seldom enough. :dthumb:

[Dave]

Guns are like tattoos.
Beautiful to some, menacing to others, and for those that get one...one is seldom enough. :dthumb:

adeptus, this is for you. dont mind the furry little bandit :lol:

[Adeptus_Minor]

adeptus, this is for you. dont mind the furry little bandit :lol:

Nice.. very nice.
Reminds me of the old Walther target pistols.
Probably a damn sight cheaper though.

[Rangerscott]

This was on sellout.woot

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct856.aspx

[Dave]

Nice.. very nice.
Reminds me of the old Walther target pistols.
Probably a damn sight cheaper though.

prob def, the 35 was a helluva deal for a target pistol

[fnfalman]

Ever been in CQC? Training or otherwise?
Second, have you ever used a CCO?
The CCO works wonders to help clear a room effectively. Point and shoot works with a shotgun, or a stationary target. Target running on the other side of windows/doorways is more easily taken out with some sight picture.
The ACOG is worthless in the same scenario, as the magnification throws off distance and makes it more difficult to acquire a close rapidly moving target.
It is great, however, for its intended purpose. In the hands of a trained Squad Designated Marksman, a M4/M16 with an ACOG can take out targets at a greater distance without need for a sniper rifle.

Next, collapsible but stock. True, fully extended, it may not be as durable as a solid stock, however, it is not nearly as versatile.
Wearing full battle rattle is very bulky, and todays combat environments are becoming more urban and close quarters orientated. The collapsible but stock gives the warrior more options to make his "tools" fit him/her better. Like they say, the most effective weapon is one that you feel comfortable with and fits you. With a solid stock, it is difficult to get the rifle into firing position while wearing all your gear. Further, when clearing rooms the added length is a hindrance.

These are my opinions. True, I am not "in the shit" per-say, but I have gone through all the same training, and have been dealing with/carrying these weapons for the last 9 months. Take it for what you will.

I forgot. Only you young GIs have ever gone to war and had ever had trained on MOUT and fought in urban environment.

[fnfalman]

no benefit? With iron sights you have to line up three points: back, front sight, and target with your point of focus being the front sight. With a reflex or holo you only have two points: reticle and target and your focus is at the target. you also keep both eyes open with a cco which helps make picking up targets ungodly fast

With iron sight, at close combat distance, you shoulder the weapon and look over the rear sight and the front sight to form an aiming triangle. No need to crook the neck down and lose focus on peripheral vision.

But then I forgot that you guys are the only ones who had ever used optics, had ever trained on close combat and urban warfare. Yeah, back in my days, we were using muzzleloaders and marched in formation for mass firing.:skep:

[Dave]

With iron sight, at close combat distance, you shoulder the weapon and look over the rear sight and the front sight to form an aiming triangle. No need to crook the neck down and lose focus on peripheral vision.

But then I forgot that you guys are the only ones who had ever used optics, had ever trained on close combat and urban warfare. Yeah, back in my days, we were using muzzleloaders and marched in formation for mass firing.:skep:

you old guys had a training budget? i always thought you walked around in a field with a stick shouting banga banga banga :lol

[marko138]

you old guys had a training budget? i always thought you walked around in a field with a stick shouting banga banga banga :lol
He fought in the Civil War.

[CasterTroy]

Nice gun Moira!! :rockwoot:

[Cutty72]

I forgot. Only you young GIs have ever gone to war and had ever had trained on MOUT and fought in urban environment.

I asked an honest question, which you clearly could not bring yourself to answer.

Further, believe it or not, sometimes technology does actually help.

I have used and trained with an M-16 and iron sights.
I have used and trained with an M-4 and both CCO and ACOG.

If I am going to be kicking doors and clearing rooms, and those are my choices, I'll take the M4 and CCO.

The M500 is preferable to both however, in that scenario.

[Dave]

I asked an honest question, which you clearly could not bring yourself to answer.

Further, believe it or not, sometimes technology does actually help.

I have used and trained with an M-16 and iron sights.
I have used and trained with an M-4 and both CCO and ACOG.

If I am going to be kicking doors and clearing rooms, and those are my choices, I'll take the M4 and CCO.

The M500 is preferable to both however, in that scenario.

im happy with either. im subbing my eotech for your 68 though :lol:

[Cutty72]

:idk: never used an eotech?

[Dave]

:idk: never used an eotech?

you should. Way better IMO, of course thats its own hotly contested topic

[Cutty72]

you should. Way better IMO, of course thats its own hotly contested topic

I'll look at 'em when I get my AR after I'm home. Don't think I can convince my supply SGT to order me one :lol:

[Dave]

I'll look at 'em when I get my AR after I'm home. Don't think I can convince my supply SGT to order me one :lol:

that would be very difficult :lol: they are in the inventory (so is the MARS btw) but good luck getting them if you arent in a special unit

[fnfalman]

And when you're not kicking down doors (how many doors are there to kick in the mountains of Afghanistan), how useful is that reflex sight?

I'd take a short scope like the ACOG any time for general usage. For close range, you can easily triangulate by bracing the weapon against your shoulder and look over the top of it. How do you think that we shot fast at close range back in the days?

[Cutty72]

And when you're not kicking down doors (how many doors are there to kick in the mountains of Afghanistan), how useful is that reflex sight?

I'd take a short scope like the ACOG any time for general usage. For close range, you can easily triangulate by bracing the weapon against your shoulder and look over the top of it. How do you think that we shot fast at close range back in the days?

1. I don't know how many doors there are in Afghanistan, I am not there. The training that I went through is the same as the soldiers being deployed there, however, and we kicked many doors.
Here in Kosovo, we kick no doors, except in training. We are here on a peacekeeping mission. Currently we are doing presence patrols only, and minimizing our show of force as we downsize our numbers here in an effort to move out completely, and let the locals handle it themselves.

2. The reflex sight is still very useful, don't worry, I was skeptical at first as well, until I got to actually use it. Like previously stated, it is used with both eyes open, for quick acquisition of targets, and the red dot (turned down to a level to not wash out the target, in case you are worried about accuracy of too large of a red dot) is easy to put on target.

3. I agree the ACOG is a good piece of equipment, and has it's place. For the M-4 with a stated effective range of 500 meters it could be useful about 20% of the time in actual urban combat. It may be of more use in the mountainous Afghanistan terrain. I can not comment on that as I have not yet had the opportunity to serve there.

4. As for what you did "back in the day" I do not know. From your earlier posts I would say you went from poking people with sticks to eventually using your far superior open sights.
But I am just a young GI given the gov'ts current technology. Sorry.

[Dave]

And when you're not kicking down doors (how many doors are there to kick in the mountains of Afghanistan), how useful is that reflex sight?

I'd take a short scope like the ACOG any time for general usage. For close range, you can easily triangulate by bracing the weapon against your shoulder and look over the top of it. How do you think that we shot fast at close range back in the days?

just as useful as anything else.

[RACER X]

i like the eotec over ACOG on call of duty 2.........lol

[Riceaholic]

never met one of those that i actually liked. Or that cycled properly

Mine's an original Israeli Arms not the Magnum research reproduction. I've never had a problem with the cycling. I've been told the .50 went to crap when they made everything interchangeable. It's the only one I've ever owned or fired so I don't really have anything to compare it to...:idk: