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Gas Man
04-12-2010, 04:43 PM
As part of the MOCO HD Super Ride (http://freecountry.harley-davidson.com/superride/landing.php?hbx_camp_id=hdredirect&urlvar=superride&camp_id=16&source_cd=Vanity_superride) promo. My local dealer had a nice line up of bike ready to ride.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Riding/April%2010%20Demo%20Rides/SU1HMDAyMDUuanBn.jpg

First on the docket

A slightly used (2k miles) NightRod with a stage one and CFR pipe. Sitting there in its all black glory it asks to be ridden. Thumb the starter and it roars to life. Ease out on its hydraulic clutch and a snap of the wrist pushes me onward. Within the first 1/4 mile I knew I was in for a treat. A mile later I'm giggling like a schoolgirl, which lucky for me the pipe was covering my laughter. With each segment of the ride I'm amazed at the near endless RPM range. Showing a boastful 9K redline I find myself shifting at 4500 out of habit. 3 miles into the ride and I'm in complete muscle bound heaven as I wrap the tach till it won't go anymore. The rev limiter screams at me to shift into the next level of excitement.

From idle thru 4k rpm the torque is something out of my petro-fueled dreams. Above 5k the horsepower taking over, hurdling this bike well above the posted speed limit on this road. The suspension which you think will be as abusive as the Nightster I rode in on, soaks up the road well. It seems to not rise or dive much under the power or brakes. How can this be? I'm not sure and with the twist of my right wrist I simply don't seem to care.

On the following loop thru my buddy was on this dark horse. I tell ya, it not only hauls ass down the road, it looks awesome doing it. To hear him coming while watching it in my side mirror (on the XR at this point) was awesome. I'm not sure about its longevity for a road trip bike but for around the town this thing would definitely put me on a first name basis with the local LEO.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Riding/April%2010%20Demo%20Rides/SU1HMDAyMDMuanBn.jpg

As I said on the second loop I had to try the new XR1200 (60 miles). I have read much about them and they are said to be a blast. I first off notice its high stance for my short legs (5’7” tall). Start up this 1200cc motor with stock pipes and I just wonder how HD can even send these out of the factory sounding like this.

Immediately I’m drawn back into what I am use to with my Sporty motor and it’s usable RPM range. However, this XR has super travel suspension which eats the bumps up with minimal effort or side affect to me the rider. I feel as if they cross bred my Nightster with a dirt bike. Knowing the history of the XRs I know this to actually be the truth. Using its high center of gravity you flick it into a corner like you would a dirt bike, but with the stance of a road bike. Truly making its ride fun and enjoyable.

On the stretch of open road with our group farther ahead of us, my partner in crime and I explore these bikes (Nightrod and XR) potential against each other. For every one shift of his nearly 9K rev limiter I’m thru 2 gears. Fast hand and foot work during shifts keeps me in the game. I’m able to hang with in range of the Nightrod but not at some sacrifice. While the Nightrod made its aggressive speed rise effortlessly, this XR made me feel as if I was wringing its neck. I’m sure if I actually had some exhaust sound I may not feel that way. But these 2010 models with their cat’ed exhausts make very little sound.

Overall the bike was a hoot to ride and I can see this being a contender for the smaller BMW bikes. A little dual sport tire change and you’ll be able to push its stock suspension to the limits of its design that you simply don’t reach on the street.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Riding/April%2010%20Demo%20Rides/SU1HMDAyMDQuanBn.jpg

After that I wanted to explore the black sheep Road Glide. It’s said to have a great advantage over my Ultra with its fixed fairing. The styling has grown on me over the years but I had yet to ride one till today. Once you throw your leg over the leather you get a reality of how large the front fairing truly is.

As I exit the parking lot I feel the ease of turning it without moving the massive batwing fairing I’m use to. With only 2k on the clock it had a stage one and sounded like a Harley should. The controls are what I’m use to along with the power band. However it seemed lighter and easier to turn.

After a few miles I settle into using the radio and realize that the massive fairing holds its flaws. The reach to the radio to use the presets is a stretch. A stretch that I found to be almost dangerous when following a pack of bikes. I did find some advantages with this bike over my Ultra but still happy with my choice. I spoke to another rider there and he said he wants a trike with the Road Glide front end. Now that’s a decent idea.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Riding/April%2010%20Demo%20Rides/SU1HMDAyMDcuanBn.jpg

Finally I get to the last ride of the day. Again 60 mile old Cross Bones. I’ve always eyeballed the spring seat and front end. That vintage look cloaking its high tech EFI and new technology throughout. But how would it ride has always been at the forefront of my mind. Its twin cam 96” motor is all familiar to me with my Ultra but it’s a whole rider lighter than my Ultra at least. The combination should make it a terror on the road.

The spring seat takes care of my comfort even with the acceleration being absorbed into it. I head down the road and to my surprise this new springer fork setup is not disturbed by even the worse of roads. I’m aiming at the bumps, hanging my head down like a dog out a car window trying to catch a glimpse of this thing working. I can see the rebound springs moving just behind the headlight but can’t seem to catch it pivit down by the axle. I know its working cause I don’t feel the bumps.

The springer seat raises your tail but they haven’t compensated that in the floorboards and forward controls. It gives me the sensation of over extending my feet forward. I think a slight angle backwards in the floorboards would help with this. Or perhaps if I was a taller guy it would feel less akward.

Overall the bike ran well and was more competent with its power delivery and suspension. It’s a honest runner and I think with a few choice mods would be a great bike to have around. I seem to lavish in the extremes and that is easy to see with my Ultra/Nightster garage.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l311/cjclark69/Riding/April%2010%20Demo%20Rides/SU1HMDAyMDYuanBn.jpg

I tell ya at the end of the day I figure out something. What’s the one way to ride 75 miles in a day while only putting 20 on your own bike? HD’s Super Ride Demos, that’s how. Check out the link above and throw your leg over something you haven’t before. Its been years since I have did any demo rides and I’m sure glad I made the time to do it today.

derf
04-12-2010, 06:08 PM
I like the road glide, really its pretty much the same bike as yours with some small changes to rigid mount the fairing and its really more set up for a single rider.

marko138
04-12-2010, 08:10 PM
I wouldn't be caught dead on that RG. Ugliest damn bike I've ever seen. Ugh. Now, that VROD and XR on the other hand...well you know the story on the XR.

Rider
04-13-2010, 08:04 AM
I saw some guy rolling down the highway the other day on a XR1200. The OEM exhaust is so quiet I could not hear the bike running at 70+mph. I think a stock honda civic is louder.

karl_1052
04-13-2010, 12:47 PM
I like the look of the Ultra much better than the Road.

I would love to do a Harley ride day, but the local dealers don't do that here. I would have to spend $500 to rent one for a weekend.

Gas Man
04-13-2010, 01:59 PM
My local dealer is doing it again this weekend.

Karl check the link. See if they offering it near u. Its free and fun. Regardless if u like hd or not.

Rider
04-13-2010, 02:11 PM
My local dealer is doing it again this weekend.

Karl check the link. See if they offering it near u. Its free and fun. Regardless if u like hd or not.

I see they are participating at a dealer here but there is no date specified. I guess I'll have to call them.

nhgunnut
04-14-2010, 08:22 PM
Thanks for the review of the XR it is the only Air Cooled Bike HD that is of any interest to me.

Gas Man
04-14-2010, 11:35 PM
It was decent... Marko has rode one before as well.

Captain Morgan
04-15-2010, 12:15 AM
Nice write-up. The Harley here always does it's demo days at the end of the season (like Sept or Oct) and I'm not really sure why they wait so long.

However, Victory is having a demo day here this weekend and I intend to go down and ride a few of their bikes. :D The g/f told me to be careful. I've already had the discussion with her that I will own a bike and I won't be told otherwise.

nhgunnut
04-15-2010, 07:47 AM
Nice write-up. The Harley here always does it's demo days at the end of the season (like Sept or Oct) and I'm not really sure why they wait so long.

However, Victory is having a demo day here this weekend and I intend to go down and ride a few of their bikes. :D The g/f told me to be careful. I've already had the discussion with her that I will own a bike and I won't be told otherwise.
Just a matter of personal taste but I like everything about the Victory's better. Much stronger engine in my experience, better brakes if you are looking for a softer ride HD may have the edge though. While the Victory seems to handle better the Air Cooled HDs I have Ridden seem a lot softer a ride.

Cruzergirl
04-15-2010, 10:18 AM
While the Victory seems to handle better the Air Cooled HDs I have Ridden seem a lot softer a ride.

Yeah, :lol: I can ride the SO's Road King all day long but the Kingpin is about a 130 miler before I need a good break (20-25 minutes). It makes me happy that I can only get about 150 out of a tank... :lol:

Gas Man
04-15-2010, 02:43 PM
I haven't rode a vic in a while. Would love to try their new touring bikes. Especially their newest attempt to mimic the hd street glide.

Cruzergirl
04-15-2010, 03:35 PM
I haven't rode a vic in a while. Would love to try their new touring bikes. Especially their newest attempt to mimic the hd street glide.
I've ridden the street glide, sat on the cross roads (which I would buy right this damn second if I hadn't already bought the kingpin low) and all the different set ups for the vision. No comparison. Apples and oranges.

Speaking of which, I get to "exercise" my friend's 2009 (?) VMax tomorrow. I'm about jumping out of my seat to ride that little rocket... :lol:

nhgunnut
04-16-2010, 06:44 AM
I haven't rode a vic in a while. Would love to try their new touring bikes. Especially their newest attempt to mimic the hd street glide.
Not to be Rude , but I would have to disagree. I think you care Describing the Cross Country or the Cross Roads It doesn't appear to Mimic Anything . It does seemed aimed the the same Niche.
For me the HD's I have ridden (to Be Fair 07s and earlier) Gave up handling so they could wallow along, Again personal opinion nothing more.
Not to knock the Motor Company but it is Victory and the other Metric Cruiser that have moved HD forward. By that I mean it was Victory that put Brembos with stainless lines stock on the their Bikes in 99 Anitlocks, showed up first on Honda Cruisers (could be wrong here) HD's Increases in Displacement and Improved amenities all in response to the competition.

Gas Man
04-16-2010, 04:29 PM
Well tt is just a difference in pov and opinion. More over a chicken or the egg debate. I say tt no matter how u want to slice it. HD is king and all these other brands try to live off a piece of the hd pie tt falls off. Same reason why the metric cruisers went bk to pushrod motors. Trying to emmulate hd in one fashion or the other.

At the end here today. I don't expect anybody to agree with me here in an anti-hd hating metric burning website such as this.

fnfalman
04-16-2010, 05:02 PM
Seriously, the Crossbone is a "terror" on the streets?

Cruzergirl
04-16-2010, 06:49 PM
Well tt is just a difference in pov and opinion. More over a chicken or the egg debate. I say tt no matter how u want to slice it. HD is king and all these other brands try to live off a piece of the hd pie tt falls off. Same reason why the metric cruisers went bk to pushrod motors. Trying to emmulate hd in one fashion or the other.

At the end here today. I don't expect anybody to agree with me here in an anti-hd hating metric burning website such as this.

Keep telling yourself that. I don't hate HD...just the hoopla...it's a bike...get over yourself (yeah, my SO doesn't like it when I say this to him either).

Gas Man
04-17-2010, 12:33 AM
Seriously, the Crossbone is a "terror" on the streets?

I said "should" but as you read you could tell I wasn't as impressed with it as I thought I would be.

Keep telling yourself that. I don't hate HD...just the hoopla...it's a bike...get over yourself (yeah, my SO doesn't like it when I say this to him either).

I don't have to. I'm on a HD. You just need to get over the fact that I'm better than you because of that. :dribble::skep::tremble: :rockwoot:

fnfalman
04-17-2010, 12:38 AM
I don't have to. I'm on a HD. You just need to get over the fact that I'm better than you because of that. :dribble::skep::tremble: :rockwoot:

I remembered fondly back in the halcyon days of yore that you were once a real rider.:wtfru:

Gas Man
04-17-2010, 12:44 AM
:lol

nhgunnut
04-17-2010, 06:13 AM
Well tt is just a difference in pov and opinion. More over a chicken or the egg debate. I say tt no matter how u want to slice it. HD is king and all these other brands try to live off a piece of the hd pie tt falls off. Same reason why the metric cruisers went bk to pushrod motors. Trying to emmulate hd in one fashion or the other.

At the end here today. I don't expect anybody to agree with me here in an anti-hd hating metric burning website such as this.

I hope I haven't come across as inflammatory
To Be honest I do Have a Anti HD bias but that has more to do with the some of its riders then the bikes.
I would Agree that the Companies are trying to get their piece of that pie. Hence the the retro styling of Heavy Cruisers. Being a Victory Guy I would say since 03 they have done the best job of moving away from the HD "Look"

I am aware that Yamaha went back to Push Rods but who else did? I am asking because I don't know. Vic is a Overhead Honda is, Kawasaki is.
HD are fine bikes for what they are Heavy Cruisers. I am unaware of any recent innovations on their part. They seem content to adapt the invocations of other companies that make inroads into the Heavy Cruiser Market place. Not a bad Business Strategy it is working very well for Hyundai.

Gas Man
04-17-2010, 08:12 AM
I hope I haven't come across as inflammatory
To Be honest I do Have a Anti HD bias but that has more to do with the some of its riders then the bikes.
I would Agree that the Companies are trying to get their piece of that pie. Hence the the retro styling of Heavy Cruisers. Being a Victory Guy I would say since 03 they have done the best job of moving away from the HD "Look"

I am aware that Yamaha went back to Push Rods but who else did? I am asking because I don't know. Vic is a Overhead Honda is, Kawasaki is.
HD are fine bikes for what they are Heavy Cruisers. I am unaware of any recent innovations on their part. They seem content to adapt the invocations of other companies that make inroads into the Heavy Cruiser Market place. Not a bad Business Strategy it is working very well for Hyundai.

No it didn't. I just damn near gave up on speaking about HD here. It almost useless. It really is a real example of "If you don't understand, you don't get it".

Don't get it wrong. I like the Victory line up. Always have, and the fact that they are made here in USA is all the better. I think I would be on a Vic over a metric any day. Hell I think they provide the best factory warrenty in the biz. I never viewed them to be trying to "move away from the HD look", especially with the recent new bikes.

Cross roads is a sure shot for a Road King

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200909/victory-cross-roads-6_460x0w.jpg

Of coarse this one has the optional spot lights but you get the idea
http://www.bikez.com/pictures/harley-davidson/2009/27838_0_1_2_flhr%20road%20king_Image%20credits%20-%20Harley-Davidson.jpg

Dead ringer for a Street Glide

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/touring_img_2951.jpg

Street Glide
http://image.motorcyclecruiser.com/f/8732708/lg+2007_Harley_Davidson_FLHX_Street_Glide_right.jp g

Can you really challenge this one aspect of my point? Sure they look different but oh so similar. Further, please note, I'm not degrading the other bikes. They are great rides, regardless of brand. But the anti-hd around websites like this is so thick you could cut it with a knife. What they don't realize is that the Moco is the same as it use to be. They don't understand the history, or have, IMO, the proper POV on who/what came first and how its all sliced.

As far as the pushrod motors. Yes Yamaha I believe was the first, especially with their star line. A line up that I admire for at least stepping at HD with some decent products. The star line is the first line of metric, as you said heavy cruiser, to bring a good product with some decent factory aftermarket products. That has always been a huge metric downfall. No factory aftermarket. And up till a few years ago, very small amount of pure aftermarket, till J&P and Kury got on board. Its still very small in comparison and I suspect always will be.

I thought there was another pushrod motor in metric... hmm... can't think of it and dont have time to go searchin... but I could be wrong I am bad at remember which brand some of the metric models belong to.

Some people talk about HD never changes... its not true. But they don't change their core look very much. There is something classic about a HD and its style. Maybe that's not their thing but its obviously many other people. When I was younger, I could care less about HD, it wasn't till I got a bit older and now I care less about doing 100mph in first gear. I have countless stories to support the wide variety of common love around owning a HD. It happens nearly everyday. Hell yesterday it did riding the wife's nightster. I was sitting at a light on a 5 lane road. Residential side streets, I hear a loud whistle... look over my shoulder and some older guy (55+) giving me the :rockwoot: I was just sitting there. But I get that crap daily, if not multiple times.

But HD is top in the game, IMHO. Being that they will always be the one people will hate and attack. Fine whatever. It has a almost club entry attitude. Maybe, just maybe, that cause if you don't own one you are likely to not understand. I don't know.

marko138
04-17-2010, 09:23 AM
I thought that Vic was getting away from the "HD" look too, but the side by side comparo makes me think otherwise. Especially the SG look. I'd like to ride a Victory some day.

nhgunnut
04-17-2010, 11:04 AM
I thought that Vic was getting away from the "HD" look too, but the side by side comparo makes me think otherwise. Especially the SG look. I'd like to ride a Victory some day.

Got to give you that one as far as appearance goes. BTW Vic now fairly deep aftermaket as well with S&S and dozens of others producing stuff for them. While I don't care for the HD Look that the CC or the CrossRoads have.
BTW My experience is Most Vic Dealers will let you test ride. In fact you used to be able to go to the Victory web site to arrange a test ride.

Captain Morgan
04-17-2010, 11:22 AM
Got to give you that one as far as appearance goes. BTW Vic now fairly deep aftermaket as well with S&S and dozens of others producing stuff for them. While I don't care for the HD Look that the CC or the CrossRoads have.
BTW My experience is Most Vic Dealers will let you test ride. In fact you used to be able to go to the Victory web site to arrange a test ride.

I agree, the new bikes do look a lot like HD bikes. And you still can go to the Vic website to arrange test rides. But I've been to Harley dealers and they've also told me to just stop in any time I want to test ride a bike. I'm not going to do that until I'm absolutely ready to buy, but I will go to every demo day I can. ;) In fact, going to Vic demo days today. :D

Cutty72
04-17-2010, 11:25 AM
I have nothing against HD bikes, I just don't like the company since they axed Buell.

Gas Man
04-17-2010, 11:37 AM
I have nothing against HD bikes, I just don't like the company since they axed Buell.
Marko is that you?

Cutty72
04-17-2010, 11:39 AM
Marko is that you?

No, it's me. He just has valid points.
I had issues with HD customer service (or lack there of) toward Buell customers from the beginning, but then with them giving the ax to a company/product that was really coming to light and producing a product that was changing the view of Buell and making a name for them, that was the final straw.
Doesn't change the product, just the view of those in control of it.

Gas Man
04-17-2010, 11:43 AM
I know but this has been a beatin down topic buell/HD.

Cutty72
04-17-2010, 01:15 PM
So has every other topic pertaining to HD... what's your point?

Cruzergirl
04-17-2010, 01:29 PM
I don't have to. I'm on a HD. You just need to get over the fact that I'm better than you because of that. :dribble::skep::tremble: :rockwoot:

:lol The rally is going to be fun. I can tell already... :gary:

Gas Man
04-17-2010, 03:04 PM
So has every other topic pertaining to HD... what's your point?

As I lead on to in my recent posts.

Cruzer girl.

Oh yeah rite!