sportbikers crash alot

[RACER X]

CA and FLA are the highest # of biker deaths, TX #3

"In 2008, the under age 20 age group had the largest increase in motorcycle fatalities (up 57% from 13 in 2007 to 30 in 2008 with the second highest increase seen in the over age 59 age group which increased 44% percent from 32 in 2007 to 57 in 2008.** "

"Super sport motorcycles, defined as consumer versions of the motorcycles used by factory racing teams, account for 14% of the registered motorcycles in California, yet the 211 super sport drivers and passengers killed in 2008 accounted for 38% of the 560 motorcyclists killed in California.

** Between 2002-08, 44% of Super Sport motorcycles that were fatally crashed were less than a year old, compared to 37% Other Sport, 28% Cruiser, and, 34% Touring motorcycles.
** Between 2002-08, 44% of Super Sport riders killed were not properly licensed, compared to 32% Other Sport, 24% Cruisers and 19% Touring motorcycles.
** Between 2002-08, 86% of Super Sport motorcycle fatal crashes were “speed related”, compared to 57% Other Sport, 40% Cruisers, and 39% Touring motorcycles
** Between 2002-08, 66% of Super Sport motorcycle operators killed were between age 21-34.** "

http://www.startriding.com/?p=522

[tommymac]

Most people kille dbetween age 21 and 34 is a result of trauma anyway so those stats arent much of a reach anyway, and seems like theyre stating the obvious anyway.

[Particle Man]

Most people kille dbetween age 21 and 34 is a result of trauma anyway so those stats arent much of a reach anyway, and seems like theyre stating the obvious anyway.

I'd hazard a somewhat educated 'guess' that you'll find the same age banded stats for cars.

And, uh, duh that sportbikes are in the higher % - what 21 year old can afford a brand new freakin' Harley (or would want to when they can get a brand new sportbike for a fraction of the cost)? I'd wager that if Harley's were cheaper you'd see just as many crashes in that age band with Harleys. Kids like to go fast - that ain't rocket science.

[askmrjesus]

I blame the MSF.

JC

[tommymac]

I'd hazard a somewhat educated 'guess' that you'll find the same age banded stats for cars.

And, uh, duh that sportbikes are in the higher % - what 21 year old can afford a brand new freakin' Harley (or would want to when they can get a brand new sportbike for a fraction of the cost)? I'd wager that if Harley's were cheaper you'd see just as many crashes in that age band with Harleys. Kids like to go fast - that ain't rocket science.

For cars I would lump the teenagers in there too. Seems new/teen drivers seem ot be getting more and more attention as of late.

[RACER X]

I'd hazard a somewhat educated 'guess' that you'll find the same age banded stats for cars.

And, uh, duh that sportbikes are in the higher % - what 21 year old can afford a brand new freakin' Harley (or would want to when they can get a brand new sportbike for a fraction of the cost)? I'd wager that if Harley's were cheaper you'd see just as many crashes in that age band with Harleys. Kids like to go fast - that ain't rocket science.

883 = like $9k i think.

have you seen the prices of bikes lately, 600SS are topping $10k

[OTB]

CA and FLA are the highest # of biker deaths, TX #3

"In 2008, the under age 20 age group had the largest increase in motorcycle fatalities (up 57% from 13 in 2007 to 30 in 2008 with the second highest increase seen in the over age 59 age group which increased 44% percent from 32 in 2007 to 57 in 2008.** "

"Super sport motorcycles, defined as consumer versions of the motorcycles used by factory racing teams, account for 14% of the registered motorcycles in California, yet the 211 super sport drivers and passengers killed in 2008 accounted for 38% of the 560 motorcyclists killed in California.

** Between 2002-08, 44% of Super Sport motorcycles that were fatally crashed were less than a year old, compared to 37% Other Sport, 28% Cruiser, and, 34% Touring motorcycles.
** Between 2002-08, 44% of Super Sport riders killed were not properly licensed, compared to 32% Other Sport, 24% Cruisers and 19% Touring motorcycles.
** Between 2002-08, 86% of Super Sport motorcycle fatal crashes were “speed related”, compared to 57% Other Sport, 40% Cruisers, and 39% Touring motorcycles
** Between 2002-08, 66% of Super Sport motorcycle operators killed were between age 21-34.** "

http://www.startriding.com/?p=522

This is all news how?

How many of you with sport bikes for sale have dealt with young and/or unlicensed first-time riders looking to buy your slightly used 130hp superbike; no training, no MSF, no experience; just looking to buy the fastest bike they can afford and GO?

I visit a lot of bike shops, and everyone has brand-new sportbikes with almost 0 miles on them sitting in the service dept that were crashed by new riders who hadn't made it a mile before crashing....

I know there is a certain contingent that advocate that a full-on sportbike is a good first bike....

....looks like not so much, on the whole.....:wtfru:

[tommymac]

This is all news how?

How many of you with sport bikes for sale have dealt with young and/or unlicensed first-time riders looking to buy your slightly used 130hp superbike; no training, no MSF, no experience; just looking to buy the fastest bike they can afford and GO?

I visit a lot of bike shops, and everyone has brand-new sportbikes with almost 0 miles on them sitting in the service dept that were crashed by new riders who hadn't made it a mile before crashing....

I know there is a certain contingent that advocate that a full-on sportbike is a good first bike....

....looks like not so much, on the whole.....:wtfru:



Some of us were those guys at one point too. Another thing to add is how fast things have advanced with technology on these bikes and how you can get yourself in more trouble now than on a 600 from the 90's.

I am fine with those kids crashing those bikes too since it makes more cheaper track bikes available ;)

[RACER X]

This is all news how?

:

for me this is the first time i've seen a stat. that points out sportbikes specifically. usually it's age, and while a minority young guys do ride cruisers.

[Trip]

I blame the MSF.

JC

damnit, no fair

[Homeslice]

The most surprising number is how many aren't licensed. I mean really, how hard is it to take the MSF or a DMV riding test? These dudes are either lazy, cheap, or impatient. Well scratch cheap, cuz they go out and buy a $600 exhaust, lol.

[pauldun170]

Lets see..
Most of em young?
A lot of em unlicensed?
A lot of em just about year on the road/

Yup
Sportbikes are to blame.

[tommymac]

Lets see..
Most of em young?
A lot of em unlicensed?
A lot of em just about year on the road/

Yup
Sportbikes are to blame.

Sounds like just another night on DPA :lol:

[smileyman]

Tiered licensing FTW, with proper guidance and oversight...

A little 'sperience goes a long way...

[tommymac]

Tiered licensing FTW, with proper guidance and oversight...

A little 'sperience goes a long way...

Do you seriously expect the state DMV to do something like that. They cant chew gum and walk at the same time.

[Sean]

CA has the highest ratio of riders to car drivers, so that is not a surprise that we have the highest # of deaths.

[smileyman]

Do you seriously expect the state DMV to do something like that. They cant chew gum and walk at the same time.

Well no but in a perfect world. Besides they would still kill themselves by borrowing a buddies 1000 and ' seeing what this baby will do!'

[tommymac]

Well no but in a perfect world. Besides they would still kill themselves by borrowing a buddies 1000 and ' seeing what this baby will do!'

Agreed on all points there ;)

[pauldun170]

Sounds like just another night on DPA :lol:

I think the last time I went to DPA during peak deuschebag hours was 1999.
My personal deuschebagging era was in the 92-95 time frame. Wasn't a parker or a cruiser. Just your average shitbox driver looking for drivers of other shitboxes to race.
After the SCPD started cracking down in 95 I stopped going there. Anytime after that it was just outta of convenience to get to and from the south and north shore if it made sense to use DPA.

Friends of ours used to live in Deer Park and and a lot has changed. I do see that the "Bro patrols" still make stopping at that 7-11's an uncorfortable experience.

[Particle Man]

Do you seriously expect the state DMV to do something like that. They cant chew gum and walk at the same time.

Sure they can. It just takes them six f**king hours to do it.

[tommymac]

I think the last time I went to DPA during peak deuschebag hours was 1999.
My personal deuschebagging era was in the 92-95 time frame. Wasn't a parker or a cruiser. Just your average shitbox driver looking for drivers of other shitboxes to race.
After the SCPD started cracking down in 95 I stopped going there. Anytime after that it was just outta of convenience to get to and from the south and north shore if it made sense to use DPA.

Friends of ours used to live in Deer Park and and a lot has changed. I do see that the "Bro patrols" still make stopping at that 7-11's an uncorfortable experience.

I rareley if ever have a need to travel that par tof 231 and I cant remember the last time I was down by that 7-11, maybe 03 or earlier, only because I took my futura there once. besides now it seems that the MC hatred has moved to port jeff since they want to keep all us unsightly bikers off the strip down by the ferry.

[tommymac]

Sure they can. It just takes them six f**king hours to do it.

You know how bad the ywill jack up the fees. It will either force the brain dead drones to work more or they will have to hire people with a pulse and an IQ> than their shoe size.

[pauldun170]

I rareley if ever have a need to travel that par tof 231 and I cant remember the last time I was down by that 7-11, maybe 03 or earlier, only because I took my futura there once. besides now it seems that the MC hatred has moved to port jeff since they want to keep all us unsightly bikers off the strip down by the ferry.

I'm sitting here trying to think of the last time I went to Port Jeff.
Annoying stop and go traffic...check
Cruiser "Loud pipes save lives...especially at every red light or stop sign" crowd....check
"Where you going where you been I heard you speeding (in bumper to bumper traffic license registration...get outta here"
Repeat 5 times.....check

Waiting 2 hours for Meh food compared to the bazillion other restaurants around LI where you can just show up and get seated without having to shout or squeeze through a packed restaurant....check.

but hey...you can look at other people's boats from a safe respectable distance.

[Avatard]

I blame the MSF.

JC

I believe there are statistics to support that.

[karl_1052]

I'd hazard a somewhat educated 'guess' that you'll find the same age banded stats for cars.

And, uh, duh that sportbikes are in the higher % - what 21 year old can afford a brand new freakin' Harley (or would want to when they can get a brand new sportbike for a fraction of the cost)? I'd wager that if Harley's were cheaper you'd see just as many crashes in that age band with Harleys. Kids like to go fast - that ain't rocket science.

don't forget fast, cheap cars(mustang, LS1 Fbodies, etc). I would bet the same stats would apply there too.

[Smittie61984]

I blame the MSF.

JC

4 finger braking for the fail

[101lifts2]

883 = like $9k i think.

have you seen the prices of bikes lately, 600SS are topping $10k

I just bought my 09 ZX6R for 7899 OTD in Jan 2010. :rockwoot:

[Particle Man]

883 = like $9k i think.

have you seen the prices of bikes lately, 600SS are topping $10k

I see that the GSXR 600 retails for $10,399 new but you can pick up a used one for half that (or better). Hell, I saw this when I walked into Oneida Suzuki the other day to pick up an oil filter:

http://www.oneidasuzuki.com/store/parts-accessories/used-2007-zx6r-kawaski-ninja.html

07 ZX6R for $6,400 with under 2,600 miles on the clock.

[Homeslice]

4 finger braking for the fail

Truth. Most MSF instructors are overly conservative dudes. I'm sorry but only tards brake with 4 fingers.

[shmike]

Truth. Most MSF instructors are overly conservative dudes. I'm sorry but only tards brake with 4 fingers.

Rossi does.

[Dave]

Rossi does.

Exactly

[Homeslice]

Sure, since racetrack conditions would make it pretty tiring to use only 2 fingers for the whole race.

But for the street, what's the point?

[Rider]

Sure, since racetrack conditions would make it pretty tiring to use only 2 fingers for the whole race.

But for the street, what's the point?

I had shorty levers on the GSXR and 3 fingers were all I could fit on the levers. I was actually very comfortable using 3 fingers for clutch and brake. Dirt bike was a different story, 2 fingers all day long.

[anthonyk]

Sure, since racetrack conditions would make it pretty tiring to use only 2 fingers for the whole race.

But for the street, what's the point?

I'm pretty sure everyone else on the grid uses two fingers. It's not fatigue-related.

[Homeslice]

Why does he do it then? IMO, leaving 1-2 fingers on the bar helps give you more feel & control. Of course, Rossi wins races and I don't, so :lol:

[Smittie61984]

Why does he do it then? IMO, leaving 1-2 fingers on the bar helps give you more feel & control. Of course, Rossi wins races and I don't, so :lol:

I play the trumpet and learned how to play properly and well. Some of the best trumpet players in the world have horrible techniques when they play but they are still damn good. What works for them doesn't work for most.

I think for most people who ride sport bikes and aren't trying to go from 180mph to 80mph, the brakes on our bikes are extremely strong and 4 fingers aren't necesarry. But whatever works for someone is always the best.

[smileyman]

I use one finber, then two, by that point she is usually ready to rock so I go for broke...

[Dave]

Why does he do it then? IMO, leaving 1-2 fingers on the bar helps give you more feel & control. Of course, Rossi wins races and I don't, so :lol:

whys he hang his leg off like a retard in every corner? :lol

[Particle Man]

whys he hang his leg off like a retard in every corner? :lol

:lol:

:slide::draggin:

[101lifts2]

Truth. Most MSF instructors are overly conservative dudes. I'm sorry but only tards brake with 4 fingers.

Have you ever rode a Harley? If so you need all four fingers. :lol

[101lifts2]

CA has the highest ratio of riders to car drivers, so that is not a surprise that we have the highest # of deaths.

Yup..plus we can ride year round.

I commute 46 miles 5 days a week year round on a bike.

[karl_1052]

whys he hang his leg off like a retard in every corner? :lol

I guess everyone who uses 4 fingers because Rossi does, also hangs their left foot off entering left turns, drags a knee through every corner, and if they are first to the destination, they wheelie past it.

:lol:

[askmrjesus]

Have you ever rode a Harley? If so you need all four fingers. :lol

Plus a pair of vice grips, and two medium sized mules.

JC

[Porkchop]

I see that the GSXR 600 retails for $10,399 new but you can pick up a used one for half that (or better). Hell, I saw this when I walked into Oneida Suzuki the other day to pick up an oil filter:

http://www.oneidasuzuki.com/store/parts-accessories/used-2007-zx6r-kawaski-ninja.html

07 ZX6R for $6,400 with under 2,600 miles on the clock.

Shit, there was a brand new 0 mile 2007 zx6r near me at a dealer for $5,200 in the winter. I think they bumped it to $5,699 once it got warm, then it sold. There actually is a 0 mile 2008 zx6r special edition for $6,600 right now. This dealer is great with leftover bikes.

Dave, if I remember correctly you were wanting to buy a zx10 at some point? They have leftover 0 milers for 7,799 and 7,9.

http://www.powersports360.com/new_vehicle_inventory.asp?page=2

whys he hang his leg off like a retard in every corner? :lol the announcers seem to think balance? :idk: