Anti fatty

[Switch]

I've been slacking lately, drinking a lot of beer the past couple of months, now I'm a hefty 190...

...and I'm 5'10"

Time to hit the gym and count calories and all that fun stuff.

This is going to keep me accountable...

Alright, so I figured it would be easiest if I just upload the pics here.

It's been a month. I've slipped up a couple times with the rally and all (lots of beer, snack foods, just bad stuff) but I think I'm making progress.

Lets take a look:
Day 1 - 190 lbs
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oO-3ePxI/AAAAAAAAKlo/LyMd2gczzJg/s800/220443.jpghttp://lh4.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oPLg2HfI/AAAAAAAAKls/tQSOstv-A2o/s800/220516.jpg

Day 7
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oOXmMV9I/AAAAAAAAKlg/7gIT4cCdllk/s800/184711%5B5%5D.jpghttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oOlAZqaI/AAAAAAAAKlk/w5hyUTsakyc/s800/184729%5B1%5D.jpg

Day 14
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oMg17L_I/AAAAAAAAKlY/RlnkiHS5ReI/s800/DSCN0497.JPGhttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oNxPc1SI/AAAAAAAAKlc/iYX8IZ5N9GY/s800/DSCN0499.JPG

Day 30 - 185 lbs
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/TBTzJ8gSK6I/AAAAAAAAKng/Gp3BZkK7wv8/s800/DSC_0305.jpghttp://lh5.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/TBTzKjseIQI/AAAAAAAAKno/I9pgKRu5mY8/s800/DSC_0306.jpg

[Switch]

Oh... and pictures shall be posted... I'll even drop to my skivvies.

[Trip]

That's going to warrant an infraction

[azoomm]

That's going to warrant an infraction

Or five.

[Switch]

No cock... or bulge... I'll even blur out my nips...

[dReWpY]

I concur, I just started running again today, ran a mile and walked three

[Avatard]

That's going to warrant an infraction

:lmao:

[Particle Man]

I'm in the same boat dude.

[Tsunami]

No cock... or bulge... I'll even blur out my nips...

Unless its a belly bulge

[cbrchick]

Eh,show the whole thing. It's been a while since I've seen me some random naked pudge boy.....remind me why I don't want to go back to work will you.....

Oh, and if you have a saggy nut sack....

Never mind.....

[Cutty72]

5'9" and a steady 183. Maintained it all through this deployment, but now I'm getting a bit "fluffy" cause I boycotted PT for the last month. I'll start running again when I get home, with the dog.

[ontwo]

Yep, in the same boat. Heaviest I've ever been.

[Switch]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S-oQrmIpLdI/AAAAAAAAKhM/8wOyhOH79GA/s800/front.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S-oQsczTK2I/AAAAAAAAKhQ/-6vkbSCglXk/s800/side.jpg

[Dave]

sexxy

[LeeNetworX]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S-oQrmIpLdI/AAAAAAAAKhM/8wOyhOH79GA/s800/front.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S-oQsczTK2I/AAAAAAAAKhQ/-6vkbSCglXk/s800/side.jpg

Sup /b/?

[HokieDNA01]

I'm hoping FINALLY start P90X. Been putting it off for a while since I play softball 3 nights a week (excuses). Jillian Michaels has been woopin my ass for a few weeks now. Hopefully Tony Horton can really kick it.

Hmmm. Now do I want to post pics....

[SteveP]

Sweet waffle tattoo.

[marko138]

:lol: Same here. Getting fat. 5'10".

[jtemple]

Put some muscle on that frame. More muscle makes it easier to drop body fat. Eat plenty of protein, lift heavy things, do some cardio a few times a week and call me in the morning.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/index.php

[itgirl]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S-oQrmIpLdI/AAAAAAAAKhM/8wOyhOH79GA/s800/front.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S-oQsczTK2I/AAAAAAAAKhQ/-6vkbSCglXk/s800/side.jpg

you don't look that bad. you should bounce back into shape fairly easy. :)

[Rider]

190 at 5'10 isn't bad if you are athletic. Most NHL hockey players that are 5'10 are in the 190-200 range and you know they are in shape. When I graduated HS I was 190 and 5'10" with washboard abs.

[Switch]

Sweet waffle tattoo.

Legoo my Eggo.

190 at 5'10 isn't bad if you are athletic. Most NHL hockey players that are 5'10 are in the 190-200 range and you know they are in shape. When I graduated HS I was 190 and 5'10" with washboard abs.

Yeah, check out my abs.

Put some muscle on that frame. More muscle makes it easier to drop body fat. Eat plenty of protein, lift heavy things, do some cardio a few times a week and call me in the morning.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/index.php

You can't simultaneously build muscle and lose weight.

You have to bulk, then cut.

Anyway, I'm no stranger to what needs to be done, I just haven't been doing it. Actually, I did pretty well last night, I think I set a personal best for barbell curl. 110lbsx10.

[Switch]

So my plan is this:

Eat right ~2000 cals or less, mostly from protein
30 mins of cardio in the morn
Lift at lunch

So far today I've had about 40 oz of water, a piece of toast (100% whole wheat), and 2 eggs.

At 10 am I will have a protein shake

at lunch I will work out, then drink another protein shake

Then eat around 3 (sandwich and broccoli)

I havent really planned dinner yet...

[marko138]

So my plan is this:

Eat right ~2000 cals or less, mostly from protein
30 mins of cardio in the morn
Lift at lunch

So far today I've had about 40 oz of water, a piece of toast (100% whole wheat), and 2 eggs.

At 10 am I will have a protein shake

at lunch I will work out, then drink another protein shake

Then eat around 3 (sandwich and broccoli)

I havent really planned dinner yet...
Man, you are dedicated. Not me. I'm pretty much just lazy.

[azoomm]

So my plan is this:

Eat right ~2000 cals or less, mostly from protein
30 mins of cardio in the morn
Lift at lunch

So far today I've had about 40 oz of water, a piece of toast (100% whole wheat), and 2 eggs.

At 10 am I will have a protein shake

at lunch I will work out, then drink another protein shake

Then eat around 3 (sandwich and broccoli)

I havent really planned dinner yet...

I've been tracking my food/excercise/weight with an app for my Nexus One - Calorie Counter - it syncs with a website www.fatsecret.com

I've been working with a trainer for the past week - took pictures last Tuesday and again today. So far, so good.

Good for you, GOOD LUCK :dthumb:

[pauldun170]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoQaHqKnj3c&feature=player_embedded

[ontwo]

Man, you are dedicated. Not me. I'm pretty much just lazy.

I'm with ya. I know exactly what to do. It's just getting off my ass to do it. I spent so many years in the gyms and eating right that it just seems like such a chore these days.

[marko138]

I'm with ya. I know exactly what to do. It's just getting off my ass to do it. I spent so many years in the gyms and eating right that it just seems like such a chore these days.
I never ate right. Never needed too. But I'm getting old.

[ontwo]

All that weight gainer that I drank as a kid must have been time-released. As in, 20 years

[Particle Man]

Man, you are dedicated. Not me. I'm pretty much just lazy.

I've just cut sugared drinks almost totally out of my diet and that's made a huge difference.

[marko138]

I've just cut sugared drinks almost totally out of my diet and that's made a huge difference.
Me too...a couple months ago. But I'm heading back the other direction now. Stopped drinking alcohol too.

[Rider]

Sugar, corn, flour, potatoes, it's all bad for you. Fruit, vegetables, and meat is all you need.

[marko138]

Sugar, corn, flour, potatoes, it's all bad for you. Fruit, vegetables, and meat is all you need.
I've been killing some fruit this week. I'm always down with a piece of meat. Now veggies, no fucking way. Ever.

[VatorMan]

Sugar, corn, flour, potatoes, it's all bad for you. Fruit, vegetables, and meat is all you need.

Sugar and grain are the cornerstones for beer. This post makes me sad. :td:

[azoomm]

Sugar and grain are the cornerstones for beer. This post makes me sad. :td:

Beer is yummy and awesome. It is never bad for you.


:lol:

[Switch]

Corn is stupid.

Why do Americans love corn so much? I don't think there is any nutritional value in it.

[Rider]

Sugar and grain are the cornerstones for beer. This post makes me sad. :td:

Different kind of sugar. The sugar comes from the grain, then tuned to alcohol. :rockwoot:

Corn is stupid.

Why do Americans love corn so much? I don't think there is any nutritional value in it.

Because it is a cheap filler, nothing more, nothing less.

[marko138]

Corn is the only "vegetable" I will eat...and that is done under protest.

[ontwo]

Corn is stupid.

Why do Americans love corn so much? I don't think there is any nutritional value in it.

Money. The same reason the food pyramid was fucked up for so many years.

[z06boy]

Man, you are dedicated. Not me. I'm pretty much just lazy.

:lol: Yep this has been my problem lately as well. Love me some icecreme too. :rofl:

[OneSickPsycho]

Corn is stupid.

Why do Americans love corn so much? I don't think there is any nutritional value in it.

I love corn... it makes your poop more interesting.

[Switch]

This grapefruit is delicious

[Rider]

This grapefruit is delicious

Grapefruit rocks. Best fruit ever.

[lauralynne]

my plan: print out those pictures and post them on my fridge. that should do it ;)

Kidding..kidding.

I've been tracking my food and training for a half marathon (I started 8 weeks ago not being able to run for 2 minutes - I can now run 11 miles). 40 pounds gone so far. 50 more to go.

[OneSickPsycho]

my plan: print out those pictures and post them on my fridge. that should do it ;)

Kidding..kidding.

I've been tracking my food and training for a half marathon (I started 8 weeks ago not being able to run for 2 minutes - I can now run 11 miles). 40 pounds gone so far. 50 more to go.

Damn that's some seriously quick progress... Awesome and VERY motivational. What's your diet/routine?

[lauralynne]

Damn that's some seriously quick progress... Awesome and VERY motivational. What's your diet/routine?


the weightloss has been since Jan 1 - the running was added later. I'm eating healthy - I'm counting calories and make most of them count. I still have 'junk food' but it's limited (it's the age old "2 apples or 1/2 a snickers" debate - most days I eat the apples, somedays I choose the snickers).

I have a training plan that I found online and I pumped it up and pushed myself.
https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdFkKRprC5zBZGZxNTl2OHZfMjE2YzI4cm5udzU&hl=en

it calls for intervals but I've been pushing more straight running - and my own physical limits. I'm still not running FAST - I'm consistenting doing intervals at 12-13 minute miles and I did an 11 mile run at just under 14min miles. At still over 200 pounds, I'm happy with those speeds.

[Switch]

I've had just over 1000 calories thus far, gonna go home, work out, eat a protein shake, and some meatloaf and veggies...

That should push it up to 2000.

[Captain Morgan]

I never ate right. Never needed too. But I'm getting old.

Ditto. I would now be considered a fat skinny man since I'm at 20% BF. Still a lightweight, but it's catching up to me.

[Tsunami]

I never ate right. Never needed too. But I'm getting old.

Yeah same here. And not have to walk anymore since I left NYC isn't helping.

[TYEster]

I like corn, doesn't seem to bother me too much.

[jtemple]

Just so everyone knows where I'm coming from, I lost 44% of my bodyweight when I finally manned up and decided to do something with myself. That was 5 years ago and I'm still going strong.

[cbrchick]

You can eat almost anything you want if you start breast feeding....

Just saying... :)

[Switch]

You can eat almost anything you want if you start breast feeding....

Just saying... :)

I'll keep that in mind sweetheart.

[Switch]

Did a health screen today, here are some numbers

Blood Pressure: 126/85
Pulse/Heart Rate: 53


Here's a .pdf/Google Doc on my Cholesterol, and it explains the BP:
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S-wKjOfuxoI/AAAAAAAAKhs/VxnF1nazWIo/s800/page2.PNG

[jtemple]

That's not bad at all. You should be able to get back on track relatively quickly.

Your Google Docs link is either bad, or out of date.

[Switch]

That's not bad at all. You should be able to get back on track relatively quickly.

Your Google Docs link is either bad, or out of date.

I'll fix it asap.

[Switch]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S-wKjOfuxoI/AAAAAAAAKhs/VxnF1nazWIo/s800/page2.PNG

[Homeslice]

Legoo my Eggo.


You can't simultaneously build muscle and lose weight.
.

Not true at all.

Tons of people drop weight while building muscle at the same time, it's nothing new. At the end of everything if you measure your % bodyfat and multiply it by your weight, if it comes out that you have more pounds of muscle than you did before, then you did indeed build muscle. I've seen the numbers from tons of people, it's not uncommon.

But yeah, if someone just jumps on the treadmill, doesn't do much weight training, and doesn't pay attention to diet or meal timing, then yeah they'll lose muscle mass.

[askmrjesus]

You can eat almost anything you want if you start breast feeding....


Well if you want to lose more weight, I'm starving.

JC

[TYEster]

Not true at all.

Tons of people drop weight while building muscle at the same time, it's nothing new. At the end of everything if you measure your % bodyfat and multiply it by your weight, if it comes out that you have more pounds of muscle than you did before, then you did indeed build muscle. I've seen the numbers from tons of people, it's not uncommon.

But yeah, if someone just jumps on the treadmill, doesn't do much weight training, and doesn't pay attention to diet or meal timing, then yeah they'll lose muscle mass.

Werd.

[cbrchick]

Well if you want to lose more weight, I'm starving.

JC

Cool... you can take the right. I'm lop sided thanks the the Squirmy....

[Switch]

Did pretty good yesterday.

~1500 Cals
30 mins of Cardio
Heavy Lifting

Carbohydrates 170 g
Protein 113 g
Fats 47 g
Saturated Fat 17.3 g
Cholesterol 564 mg
Sodium 3,859 mg
Fiber 27 g
Vitamin A 3,661 IU
Vitamin C 109 mg
Calcium 982 mg
Iron 9.9 mg
Potassium 1,388 mg

I ate pizza for dinner, which attributes to the extremely high sodium

[Rider]

Cut your carbs and fat and increase your protein. Also your cardio should be in the AM.

[ontwo]

Did pretty good yesterday.

~1500 Cals
30 mins of Cardio
Heavy Lifting

Carbohydrates 170 g
Protein 113 g
Fats 47 g
Saturated Fat 17.3 g
Cholesterol 564 mg
Sodium 3,859 mg
Fiber 27 g
Vitamin A 3,661 IU
Vitamin C 109 mg
Calcium 982 mg
Iron 9.9 mg
Potassium 1,388 mg

I ate pizza for dinner, which attributes to the extremely high sodium

Good for you. But I'm having bad flashbacks to my previous marriage :lol:

[Rider]

Good for you. But I'm having bad flashbacks to my previous marriage :lol:

A lot of heavy lifting with that one? :lol

[shmike]

Did pretty good yesterday.

~1500 Cals
30 mins of Cardio
Heavy Lifting

Carbohydrates 170 g
Protein 113 g
Fats 47 g
Saturated Fat 17.3 g
Cholesterol 564 mg
Sodium 3,859 mg
Fiber 27 g
Vitamin A 3,661 IU
Vitamin C 109 mg
Calcium 982 mg
Iron 9.9 mg
Potassium 1,388 mg

I ate pizza for dinner, which attributes to the extremely high sodium

Maybe I missed it:

What are you using to determine / track your calorie/fat/mineral/etc. intake?

[Switch]

Maybe I missed it:

What are you using to determine / track your calorie/fat/mineral/etc. intake?

CalorieCount.com

[the chi]

Isnt that a rather low calorie intake? I understand cutting it, but doesnt the avg need 1800-2000?

[Switch]

Cut your carbs and fat and increase your protein. Also your cardio should be in the AM.

I do Cardio in the AM, usually around 6.

If I don't wake up, I do it at lunch, before I've eaten anything.

Carbs and fat, well, I'll look more into that later, right now I'm mostly concerned about calories and protein.

Isnt that a rather low calorie intake? I understand cutting it, but doesnt the avg need 1800-2000?

I'm going to beat the shit out of my body.

[Rider]

I do Cardio in the AM, usually around 6.

If I don't wake up, I do it at lunch, before I've eaten anything.

Carbs and fat, well, I'll look more into that later, right now I'm mostly concerned about calories and protein.



I'm going to beat the shit out of my body.

Well for heavy lifting your caloric intake is a little low at 1500.

[ontwo]

A lot of heavy lifting with that one? :lol

:lol: Nah, we were both gym rats who obsessed about everything we ate

[Switch]

Well for heavy lifting your caloric intake is a little low at 1500.

Agreed. I'll just drink another protein shake somwhere.

[jtemple]

You do not want to starve yourself skinny. It never turns out well. Tweak your intake so you're losing between 1-2 lbs per week and call it good.

[Kaneman]

It seems to me that the vast majority of diet or exercise plans provide far too few calories to support muscle growth and fat burning in a full grown man. Bodybuilders have the right idea and it can be adapted successfully to the rest of us on a less extreme scale.

[Switch]

You do not want to starve yourself skinny. It never turns out well. Tweak your intake so you're losing between 1-2 lbs per week and call it good.

This involves math.

[racedoll]

my plan: print out those pictures and post them on my fridge. that should do it ;)

Kidding..kidding.

I've been tracking my food and training for a half marathon (I started 8 weeks ago not being able to run for 2 minutes - I can now run 11 miles). 40 pounds gone so far. 50 more to go.

Awesome Laura!

If I don't wake up, I do it at lunch, before I've eaten anything.

Doesn't your body need fuel first thing in the morning to get going, therefore making this the wrong thing to be doing?

I'm carrying a few extra pounds (3-5) but should come off soon when I get into the full racing season.

[Switch]

Doesn't your body need fuel first thing in the morning to get going, therefore making this the wrong thing to be doing?


If I don't give my body fuel, it will feed off of itself.

[Cutty72]

If I don't give my body fuel, it will feed off of itself.

And often will feed off muscle, and that would be counter productive.

[Switch]

And often will feed off muscle, and that would be counter productive.

Perhaps, but I'm in consistently going up in weight, I don't see how this is possible. Besides, I feed my body right after I work out with a protein shake.

[Cutty72]

Muscle weighs more than fat. You went from being nothing, with some fat coverings, to developing some muscle tone while burning fat.

[azoomm]

Perhaps, but I'm in consistently going up in weight, I don't see how this is possible. Besides, I feed my body right after I work out with a protein shake.

It's because you have trained your body into thinking it will possibly starve so it stores more in anticipation. Eat when you get up. Something small.... but eat. Then healthy snacks through the day.

[Archren]

I don't eat food-food before my work outs (they're at 3:30am out here.. it's the only way to get my work outs in without having to wait for equipment or free weights). But I do use Gu gels right before, and depending on the duration of the work out, during. Gives your body energy without weighing you down. I'm taking other supplements as well (BSN CellMass and Syntha-6), but I'm just trying to maintain my weight and tone up at this point.

[Switch]

You went from being nothing.

That seems a little harsh.

[TYEster]

Doesn't your body need fuel first thing in the morning to get going, therefore making this the wrong thing to be doing?


Intense training before feeding will in fact allow your body to feed on the stored protein/aminos in muscles as fuel. Any weight he could be gaining is most likely food or water weight that he takes in later in the day.

Muscle weighs more than fat.

Actually a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat. The body will just look different depending on which pound(s) there are more of.

[racedoll]

Muscle weighs more than fat. You went from being nothing, with some fat coverings, to developing some muscle tone while burning fat.


Actually a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat. The body will just look different depending on which pound(s) there are more of.

Was going to say the same thing. A pound is a pound is a pound, but it is a matter of how dense the material.

[Avatard]

...And its metabolic performance. Brown fat/white fat/lean muscle...all do different things metabolically.

[t-homo]

Actually a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat.

No fucking shit.

[Porkchop]

While I do have a bit more to lose than some of you, I can run on 1500-1800 cals for the first 3-4 weeks of an intense pre-season with little to no drops in energy. And i've never seen any of that "body starvation reaction" at all, becuase i can lose a constant 4-8 pounds a week depending on my workout.

Corn is the only "vegetable" I will eat...and that is done under protest.

Um, isn't that technically a starch?

I'm carrying a few extra pounds (3-5) but should come off soon when I get into the full racing season.

You? Your such a skinny mini! But 3 pounds could come off in a dedicated week.... :lol:

[Cutty72]

That seems a little harsh.

So I'm an asshole. :idk:


Actually a pound of muscle weighs the same as a pound of fat. The body will just look different depending on which pound(s) there are more of.

Clearly, but the fat takes up more "space".

Kinda like a pound of pillows weighs the same as a pound of bricks. Which one will fill the space faster.

[derf]

I got another 10 lbs I want to loose, I haven't been able to work out as much as I usually do and over the last winter I just put on a quick (small) beer belly. I messed up my left knee in a jump 4 years ago and have seen a steady increase in the amount of lateral movement to about 4mm now.

[Switch]

So I'm an asshole. :idk:



Clearly, but the fat takes up more "space".

Kinda like a pound of pillows weighs the same as a pound of bricks. Which one will fill the space faster.



Well, this isn't a "oh, I've been working on computers all my life and I just noticed I got fat".

I used to go to the gym all the time, I just got lazy and stopped. I mean, I'm not super strong or anything, but I feel that I'm not just starting or whatever it is you said.

I'm benching 215 for my reps, I don't know what my max is cause I've never tried to max out. I do 135 front military press and curl 105 on the barbell. Again, none of these are maxes, just what I do reps with.

[Kaneman]

Well, this isn't a "oh, I've been working on computers all my life and I just noticed I got fat".

I used to go to the gym all the time, I just got lazy and stopped. I mean, I'm not super strong or anything, but I feel that I'm not just starting or whatever it is you said.

I'm benching 215 for my reps, I don't know what my max is cause I've never tried to max out. I do 135 front military press and curl 105 on the barbell. Again, none of these are maxes, just what I do reps with.

Which is all completely irrelevant to your current goals. You want to burn fat....you're not going to do it by allowing your body to enter starvation mode and use it's own muscle for energy.

[Switch]

Which is all completely irrelevant to your current goals. You want to burn fat....you're not going to do it by allowing your body to enter starvation mode and use it's own muscle for energy.


I talked to a guy I know that's pretty fit, he confirmed what you all are saying. Basically, I can do cardio in the morning before eating anything, but it will shorten the time that I get before my body turns to muscle for fuel.

So, I guess I'll start eating before hand.

KTHXBYE

[Kaneman]

I talked to a guy I know that's pretty fit, he confirmed what you all are saying. Basically, I can do cardio in the morning before eating anything, but it will shorten the time that I get before my body turns to muscle for fuel.

So, I guess I'll start eating before hand.

KTHXBYE

Well thank God you knew someone fit to back it up. Too bad you don't have the internet or anything to research this stuff before you enact it eh? :lol:

[No Worries]

Doing intervals is proven to burn more fat than steady cardio exercise. I've started doing intervals on the rowing machine.

I do cardio after weight training. I do old school Olympic lifting. Deadlifts, Clean & Press, Squat, Snatches, and Bench. The Clean & Press develops speed and strength. My 82-year-old coach had a stroke in December. He had surgery to clear out his carotid artery and was back in the gym deadlifting 225 in January.

[Switch]

Well thank God you knew someone fit to back it up. Too bad you don't have the internet or anything to research this stuff before you enact it eh? :lol:

I don't trust the internet. It's evil.

Doing intervals is proven to burn more fat than steady cardio exercise. I've started doing intervals on the rowing machine.

I do cardio after weight training. I do old school Olympic lifting. Deadlifts, Clean & Press, Squat, Snatches, and Bench. The Clean & Press develops speed and strength. My 82-year-old coach had a stroke in December. He had surgery to clear out his carotid artery and was back in the gym deadlifting 225 in January.

What are intervals....

You are a human, explain it to me, I don't want google to tell me.

[racedoll]

You? Your such a skinny mini! But 3 pounds could come off in a dedicated week.... :lol:

Probably. Not really worried about it but with race season here I like to be a little lower. Believe it or not 2 lbs can make a difference on times. See chart below. And for me to get below 18.5 BMI I would have to weigh 108lbs which is NEVER going to happen.

I talked to a guy I know that's pretty fit, he confirmed what you all are saying. Basically, I can do cardio in the morning before eating anything, but it will shorten the time that I get before my body turns to muscle for fuel.

So, I guess I'll start eating before hand.

KTHXBYE

I'm glad you asked someone. I am by no means an expert, but have read that you should eat within 30 minutes of getting up in the morning to jump start your body. It is why those that eat breakfast tend to be at a more healthy weight. Although I'm not saying that you aren't already.

[Homeslice]

I talked to a guy I know that's pretty fit, he confirmed what you all are saying. Basically, I can do cardio in the morning before eating anything, but it will shorten the time that I get before my body turns to muscle for fuel.


If you're going to eat something, make it a scoop or two of whey protein. That will help prevent muscle deterioration. Also have some green tea, it raises metabolism.

But this is assuming you're doing the cardio within 30-45 minutes after waking up. If it's longer than that, you should eat more. Oatmeal is good. Don't eat any fast-burning carbs like juice or white bread --- They burn fast, so your body will use them for fuel instead of burning fat.

[Porkchop]

Probably. Not really worried about it but with race season here I like to be a little lower. Believe it or not 2 lbs can make a difference on times. See chart below. And for me to get below 18.5 BMI I would have to weigh 108lbs which is NEVER going to happen.


Yea, I could tell as I was losing weight it was easier to cut time. My shoulder always holds me back though, i hurt it pitching college ball a couple years back. Now it just cramps up and locks up if I push real hard. Especially with ground running, more stress on the shoulder than a treamill. I know its laughable, but I was trying to break a 25 minute 5k a couple weeks back and it was holding me back. Then I fell off for a couple weeks, and gained a couple pounds back.

[Switch]

Yesterday:

Carbohydrates 214 g
Protein 131 g
Fats 85 g
Saturated Fat 22 g
Cholesterol 487 mg
Sodium 1,908 mg
Fiber 21 g
Vitamin A 1,785 IU
Vitamin C 85 mg
Calcium 909 mg
Iron 9.6 mg
Potassium 1,265 mg

I messed up and had Pizza and a 20oz coke.

Breakfast
Egg, Whole - Cooked, Hard-boiled B 50 78
100% whole wheat C+ 36 100
Lunch
Coca-Cola classic 600 243
Thin Crust Pizza, Spinach Alfredo - large 14-inch D+ 237 660
Dinner
Panko Macadmia Tilapia - Ready To Cook Seafood C- 224 377
Oats, Regular And Quick And Instant, Unenriched - Cooked With Water, Without Salt A 117 83
Snacks
MusclePharm Combat Powder 140
Milk, Nonfat, Fluid - Without Added Vitamin A (Fat Free Or Skim) A 245 86
Peanut Butter, Smooth Style - With Salt B- 16 94
Raw Almonds A- 28 160
Oranges - Raw, California, Navels A 140 69
Total Calories Consumed 2,089

[Homeslice]

Pizza twice in 3 days?

[NONE_too_SOFT]

after i tore my ACL a couple months ago i put on about 10 lbs from not doing anything and eating microwave/easy food. it sucks. but i've lost it all by picking up smoking crack and drinking 5 cups of coffee every hour.

[azoomm]

Well thank God you knew someone fit to back it up. Too bad you don't have the internet or anything to research this stuff before you enact it eh? :lol:

Shhhhhh, I'm a girl - and I posted it first. That, in and of itself, makes it invalid information.

:wink: :lol:

[HokieDNA01]

Pizza twice in 3 days?

He probably got tempted by your avatar. Its making me crave pizza and its only 10am.

[Switch]

Pizza twice in 3 days?

It's delicious.

[Homeslice]

It is......but, cheese is the devil.

[Switch]

It is......but, cheese is the devil.

Yeah, I know. Lack of self control and other options. I was at a friend's house and he ordered pizza after we got done fishing.

[Fleck750]

Shhhhhh, I'm a girl - and I posted it first. That, in and of itself, makes it invalid information.

:wink: :lol:
I'm glad I'm not the only one that realizes w/out a dick hanging between my legs I'm totally useless. :lmao:

[Switch]

It's hard to eat low carb. Oranges have 15g of carbs and this cucumber I just ate had 10g. My oats I eat in the morning are 28g.

I mean, I know it's not impossible to be low carb, I guess I could cut the oats and just eat 4 eggs or somethign.

[jtemple]

Yeah, I know. Lack of self control and other options. I was at a friend's house and he ordered pizza after we got done fishing.I deal with that on a daily basis. I'm so accustomed to refusing shitty food nowadays that I do it without even really thinking about it.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

all those crazy diets are phoey, loosing weight is simple math.


Eat less callories than you burn on a daily basis, and your body will need to burn fat in order for you to be active. excersize helps.

Things with a lot of carbs, usually have a lot of calories. go figure.

[Rider]

Cheese in itself is not the devil in small quantities, but with pizza, you have high carbs from the crust and usually high fat content meat. The mixture of the 3 makes for a boat load of bad calories.

[Homeslice]

Trouble with pizza is, the amount of cheese is equivalent to a whole block of it (assumign you eat the whole damn pizza)

As for carbs, some carbs are better than others

Do a search on glycemic index

[NONE_too_SOFT]

tapeworms are a good way to drop the #'s too.

[Rider]

Trouble with pizza is, the amount of cheese is equivalent to a whole block of it (assumign you eat the whole damn pizza)

As for carbs, some carbs are better than others

Do a search on glycemic index

Carbs from fruit good, carbs from corn or flour(bleached) bad. Whole grain wheat and brown rice are ok. I know some of you say potatoes are ok but I avoid that shit like the plague.

[Homeslice]

Carbs from fruit good, carbs from corn or flour(bleached) bad. Whole grain wheat and brown rice are ok. I know some of you say potatoes are ok but I avoid that shit like the plague.

Add beans & lentils (preferably not over-cooked) to the good list. In fact they are probably THE best value, pound for pound, of ANY food.

[OneSickPsycho]

tapeworms are a good way to drop the #'s too.

Funny, I was just telling someone probably 15 minutes ago how I lost 8lbs... and I said, "it was easy, I just got a tapeworm."

[Switch]

Carbs from fruit good, carbs from corn or flour(bleached) bad. Whole grain wheat and brown rice are ok. I know some of you say potatoes are ok but I avoid that shit like the plague.

What about 100% Whole Oats?

[Rider]

What about 100% Whole Oats?

Don't know. I hear some people say real oatmeal is good for you as long as you don't add sugar to it. I'm too lazy to take the time to cook them.

[Homeslice]

I eat oats raw & dry.......I just pour em into my mouth, along with some water lol

[Switch]

Don't know. I hear some people say real oatmeal is good for you as long as you don't add sugar to it. I'm too lazy to take the time to cook them.

I got the real stuff.

[ontwo]

I eat oats raw & dry.......I just pour em into my mouth, along with some water lol

Yep, it's not so bad that way

[Homeslice]

Gets even better if you add some walnuts

[Dave]

I always read this thread title as anal fattie

[jtemple]

I microwave my oats and add either some cinnamon or some chocolate whey powder. NOM NOM NOM.

Note: Add the whey after heating. Heated up whey turns into this gel mess that is pretty nasty.

[Avatard]

I always read this thread title as anal fattie

Is there something on your mind you're not telling us, Dave?

[Switch]

I microwave my oats and add either some cinnamon or some chocolate whey powder. NOM NOM NOM.

Note: Add the whey after heating. Heated up whey turns into this gel mess that is pretty nasty.

Putting whey on it sounds nasty...

I have bad allergies, so I am mixing a home remedy in with my morning oats, local wildflower honey. I only use appox 1 tsp, and it flavors it just enough.

[Avatard]

Putting whey on it sounds nasty...

No Whey!

[Switch]

No Whey!

I'll give it a try. This Musclepharm stuff behaves quite differently than the other protein shakes I've had. If you blend it w/ water, no matter how cold, it will almost double in volume. If you shake it, that doesn't happen, but it seems to trap air very well...

[Switch]

Alright, here are today's values:
Carbohydrates 135 g
Protein 208 g
Fats 55 g
Saturated Fat 10.1 g
Cholesterol 741 mg
Sodium 4,647 mg
Fiber 38 g
Vitamin A 6,635 IU
Vitamin C 402 mg
Calcium 705 mg
Iron 14.2 mg
Potassium 3,343 mg
Calories 1,824

Here's what I ate (and their matching Calories):

Breakfast
Oats, Regular And Quick And Instant, Unenriched, Dry 155
Egg, Whole - Cooked, Fried 180
Oranges - Raw, California, Navels 69

Lunch
Turkey Breast Meat 131
Cucumber - With Peel, Raw 45
Premium Chunk Light Tuna In Water 240
Oranges - Raw, California, Navels 69

Dinner
Mahi Mahi Fillets - Seafood 180
Broccoli, Cooked 55

Snacks
Raw Almonds 160
MusclePharm Combat Powder 140
Spicy Hot V8 100% Vegetable Juice 50
Raw Almonds 160
Spicy Hot V8 100% Vegetable Juice 50
MusclePharm Combat Powder 140

[racedoll]

All I have to say is for all the work you do to count your calories and watch your carb intake, you ought to lose all the weight you want. That is just too damn much work, IMO.

I'll just go run or swim to burn off anything extra/bad that I've eaten. Seems to be easier for me.

[101lifts2]

Alright, here are today's values:
Carbohydrates 135 g
Protein 208 g
Fats 55 g
Saturated Fat 10.1 g
Cholesterol 741 mg
Sodium 4,647 mg
Fiber 38 g
Vitamin A 6,635 IU
Vitamin C 402 mg
Calcium 705 mg
Iron 14.2 mg
Potassium 3,343 mg
Calories 1,824

Here's what I ate (and their matching Calories):

Breakfast
Oats, Regular And Quick And Instant, Unenriched, Dry 155
Egg, Whole - Cooked, Fried 180
Oranges - Raw, California, Navels 69

Lunch
Turkey Breast Meat 131
Cucumber - With Peel, Raw 45
Premium Chunk Light Tuna In Water 240
Oranges - Raw, California, Navels 69

Dinner
Mahi Mahi Fillets - Seafood 180
Broccoli, Cooked 55

Snacks
Raw Almonds 160
MusclePharm Combat Powder 140
Spicy Hot V8 100% Vegetable Juice 50
Raw Almonds 160
Spicy Hot V8 100% Vegetable Juice 50
MusclePharm Combat Powder 140

I'm surprised I didn't respond to this earlier...from the beginning till now you are getting better with the meals, but let me try to give you some sound basics to work with.

1. Eat at least 6 EVEN meals a day. None of this snack shit. They should be in even macro amounts.
2. Don't count calories or saturated fats etc. You are going to go crazy not to mention it isn't going to help. You need to listen to yourself and only count the following:
A. Protein - Do 1.5 times your body weight EACH DAY and break it up evenly thoughout each meal.
Proteins would include, tuna, chicken, lean beef, eggs, whey protein, pork, fish.
B. Fats - Try to stay around 80-100 grams a day of good fats.
Fats would include: Fish oil tabs, almond oil, olive oil, peanut butter (natty), flax oil, UDOS oil (VG shit).
C. Carbs - Now listen closely with this....YOU ONLY NEED CARBS FOR ENERGY. Carbs are the evil with getting fat because they induce a large insulin reponse which ensures the fat cells are fed.

3. Do not mix fats and carbs in the same meal. I can go into the whole thing why this isn't a good thing, but just don't do it.

4. Carbs need to be eaten at only 4 different times MAX. Meal 1, during lifting, Post lifting and 1 hour AFTER the post lifting meal. If you are trying to loose weight I would suggest you only eat carbs for meal 1 AND during lifting. You will NOT get fat if you sip on a carb/BCAA drink during lifting.

5. Eat dark green leafy vegetables with every meal except the during lifting AND post workout meal. You can also eat other vegetables as well. This is NOT fruit.

6. Drink alot of water. 1 gallon a day preferred.

7. For supplements, whey protein is only to be used in the AM and AFTER lifting. During lifting needs to be BCAAs if you choose so. Take a mutlivitamin, two calcium and anywhere from 5-15 fish oil tabs (I take 10). Green tea extracts are good, but not necessary.

8. Cheat meals should be 1-3 times per week MAX. I would suggest starting with 3 and working down to 1. Anything goes with the cheat meals, but a buffet is usually best as it gives you much more variety.

Here is a sample of what I do, which is pretty common bb practice:

Meal 1: 1 cup oats (ground up), 2 scoops whey and a handful of fruit blended.

Meal 2: 5oz tuna, 1.5 tablespoons olive oil, 1 tablespoon vinegar and a bunch of brocolli.

Meal 3: Asparagus, 5oz chicken breast, UDOS oil 1.5 tablespoon.

Meal 4: Same as meal 2, but with mixed veggies.

During lifting: 3 scopps BCAAs, 20oz Gatorade, 10g creatine and 5g Beta Alinine (for power).

Post lifting: 1scoop whey and fruit

Meal 5: Some meat, potato or complex carb with vegetables.

Meal 6: 8.2 oz cottage cheeze 4% milkfat or 6 eggs whole.

I'll get into the lifting next post..

[Dave]

Is there something on your mind you're not telling us, Dave?

theres much darker things going on in there than a ride down some big girl's hershey highway :lmao: OK, maybe if she was in stocks :lol:

[Switch]

I don't really count per se, I just put all my food in this website and it keeps track of the nutrition.

As far as snacks, those are just listed that way bc of the website. They are really my meal 2 and 4 of the day.

[Particle Man]

No Whey!

ba dum, tsssssssss

[Switch]

It's picture day...

[Switch]

mmm, lovehandles.

187.2lbs

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_MadOmeq3I/AAAAAAAAKiM/uDnM6HWNcVY/s800/front.png

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_MaenufJoI/AAAAAAAAKiQ/XxP0AtFtrcc/s800/side.png

[101lifts2]

Lifting....

There are alot and I mean alot of lifting routines. It would appear to someone on the outside like you really don't lift all that much (no offense) and the simple reason is you probably do not do core exercises as the staple in the lifting routine and ur diet use to suck.lol. 4 set of 10 in bicep curls...get this...does not build biceps because they are very very fast twitch muscles, which in order to grow need heavy low weight work. Figuring out which muscles benefit which routines and which are core and which are accessory work works wonders.

Here is a good read for new lifters....Mark Ripetoe's Starting Strength. You need to learn how to properly do the heavy core exercises so you don't hurt yourself...Squat, Bench, Deadlift and Good Mornings. Believe or not, there is a technique to doing bench press. feet back, shoulders tucked up, arms tucked to your sides. Then the grip spacing will determine if you have power out of the hole (narrow grip) or in the upper range (wide grip). You need to find where the two blend together. There is a technique for squat, good morning and deadlift...find videos on it or ask.

Read the link and ask questions if you want. Happy lifting bro...

lifts

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=712752

Here is some things to do....Progressive

[Switch]

Yeah, but I'm kinda happy about that. I mean, I don't want to be big, just cut.

I pretty much do what that site says anyway, high weight, low reps.

We are on the same page I believe.

I do squats, I do deadlifts, I do military press, barbell row, pullups, bench press, and more (I was just naming off the exercizes I already do that are mentioned in your link).

[101lifts2]

Yeah, but I'm kinda happy about that. I mean, I don't want to be big, just cut.

I pretty much do what that site says anyway, high weight, low reps.

We are on the same page I believe.

I do squats, I do deadlifts, I do military press, barbell row, pullups, bench press, and more (I was just naming off the exercizes I already do that are mentioned in your link).

Listen, drop the "I'm gonna get big" attitude...You're not unless you are pounding down pizzas everyday or taking 5 times your test level. If you want to get cut up, you need to lift weights and do cardio. If you continue on the path you are going by only dropping weight you will be a skinny "cut" guy at 140lbs. If this is what you want, then sure. But if you want to be 180 and muscular you need to start following routines that get you there by loading the bar progressively or the reps progressively so your body does not adapt to the weight. Then when a weight tops off, you change the exercise. Just randomly doing exercises without progressive loading is nonsense and will not get you anywhere, esp. when the exercises are not synergistic with the others in the workout.

[Switch]

Listen, drop the "I'm gonna get big" attitude...You're not unless you are pounding down pizzas everyday or taking 5 times your test level. If you want to get cut up, you need to lift weights and do cardio. If you continue on the path you are going by only dropping weight you will be a skinny "cut" guy at 140lbs. If this is what you want, then sure. But if you want to be 180 and muscular you need to start following routines that get you there by loading the bar progressively or the reps progressively so your body does not adapt to the weight. Then when a weight tops off, you change the exercise. Just randomly doing exercises without progressive loading is nonsense and will not get you anywhere, esp. when the exercises are not synergistic with the others in the workout.


I said I don't want to get big... reading comprehension.

I'll post up my routine and weights at which I am lifting and you can just tell me all about how random I am.

[Homeslice]

101 is saying, you don't need to worry about getting big, because what you're doing isn't going to do that.

[Switch]

101 is saying, you don't need to worry about getting big, because what you're doing isn't going to do that.

Right, and I'm not worried about it. Never said I was.

In fact, I said the opposite.

[Homeslice]

101 said it didn't look like you lifted much, and you said "Yeah, but I'm kinda happy about that. I mean, I don't want to be big, just cut."

Which, to me, sounds like you want to ensure that you don't get big :idk:

[Switch]

Basically what I am doing is this thing called MAX-OT. You warm up a muscle group and then do enough weight so that you can do at least 4 but no more than 6 reps. Then do that weight 3 times.

So Monday is Legs, Tues is Arms and Abs, Wednesday is Shoulders, Thursday is back, and Friday is Chest.

Here's what my week has looked like so far:
Monday:
I forget what I warmed up with, but my Squat was done in a cage with a barbell:
215x5 215x5 215x5

Calf Raises:
400x6 400x6 400x6

Seated Leg Press
350x6 350x6 350x6

I think I left after those.

Tues:
Biceps
Barbell Curl
Warmup: 55x12 65x8 85x8
95x5 95x5 95x5

Alternating Dumbbell Curl
40x5 40x5

Seated alternating Cable Curls (I was unsure on this one, so I just kept going up)
60x6 70x6 80x5

Triceps
Cable Push Down
Warmup: 60x12 75x8 105x8
135x6 135x7 135x7

Lying Tricep Extensions
30x6 30x6

Then some abs

Wed:
Shoulders
Military Press
Warmup: 95x10 115x10
125x5 125x5 135x5

Seated Dumbbell Press
50x6 50x6 50x5

Lateral Raises (Machine)
105x6 105x6

Barbell Shrug
250x6 250x6

Upright Rows
95x6 105x5


FROM LAST WEEK

Thursday
Back
Lat Pull Downs
Warmup: 70x12 80x10 100x6
120x6 140x6 140x6

Seated Rows
204x6 215x7

Hyperextensions (done with a kettle ball)
45x8 45x10

Friday
Chest
Warmup: 135x10 185x8
195x6 205x5 205x5

I didn't write down the rest.

Hopefully tomorrow I can improve by 2.5%...

101 said it didn't look like you lifted much, and you said "Yeah, but I'm kinda happy about that. I mean, I don't want to be big, just cut."

Which, to me, sounds like you want to ensure that you don't get big :idk:

Dude, that IS what I'm saying.

[Switch]

Also, on those workout days, I lifted first. Then, 4-8 hours later did 25 mins of cardio.

[Porkchop]

I'm surprised I didn't respond to this earlier...from the beginning till now you are getting better with the meals, but let me try to give you some sound basics to work with.

1. Eat at least 6 EVEN meals a day. None of this snack shit. They should be in even macro amounts.
2. Don't count calories or saturated fats etc. You are going to go crazy not to mention it isn't going to help. You need to listen to yourself and only count the following:
A. Protein - Do 1.5 times your body weight EACH DAY and break it up evenly thoughout each meal.
Proteins would include, tuna, chicken, lean beef, eggs, whey protein, pork, fish.
B. Fats - Try to stay around 80-100 grams a day of good fats.
Fats would include: Fish oil tabs, almond oil, olive oil, peanut butter (natty), flax oil, UDOS oil (VG shit).
C. Carbs - Now listen closely with this....YOU ONLY NEED CARBS FOR ENERGY. Carbs are the evil with getting fat because they induce a large insulin reponse which ensures the fat cells are fed.

3. Do not mix fats and carbs in the same meal. I can go into the whole thing why this isn't a good thing, but just don't do it.

4. Carbs need to be eaten at only 4 different times MAX. Meal 1, during lifting, Post lifting and 1 hour AFTER the post lifting meal. If you are trying to loose weight I would suggest you only eat carbs for meal 1 AND during lifting. You will NOT get fat if you sip on a carb/BCAA drink during lifting.

5. Eat dark green leafy vegetables with every meal except the during lifting AND post workout meal. You can also eat other vegetables as well. This is NOT fruit.

6. Drink alot of water. 1 gallon a day preferred.

7. For supplements, whey protein is only to be used in the AM and AFTER lifting. During lifting needs to be BCAAs if you choose so. Take a mutlivitamin, two calcium and anywhere from 5-15 fish oil tabs (I take 10). Green tea extracts are good, but not necessary.

8. Cheat meals should be 1-3 times per week MAX. I would suggest starting with 3 and working down to 1. Anything goes with the cheat meals, but a buffet is usually best as it gives you much more variety.

Here is a sample of what I do, which is pretty common bb practice:

Meal 1: 1 cup oats (ground up), 2 scoops whey and a handful of fruit blended.

Meal 2: 5oz tuna, 1.5 tablespoons olive oil, 1 tablespoon vinegar and a bunch of brocolli.

Meal 3: Asparagus, 5oz chicken breast, UDOS oil 1.5 tablespoon.

Meal 4: Same as meal 2, but with mixed veggies.

During lifting: 3 scopps BCAAs, 20oz Gatorade, 10g creatine and 5g Beta Alinine (for power).

Post lifting: 1scoop whey and fruit

Meal 5: Some meat, potato or complex carb with vegetables.

Meal 6: 8.2 oz cottage cheeze 4% milkfat or 6 eggs whole.

I'll get into the lifting next post..

This is a fantastic write up. Bravo! When you say 5-15 Fish Oil, is that a day??? I'm currently doing 2, one near midday and one with dinner. Thats a lot of fish oil.

[101lifts2]

OK...did you read the link I posted?

First don't go 5 times a week....I did this for years and frankly unless you're on gear it is just plain stupid. 4 days a week...

Sunday: On
Monday: On
Tuesday: Off
Wednesday: On
Thursday: Off
Friday:On
Saturday: Off
Repeat

Weeks 6-12 you need a week OFF where you would do 2 lifting sessions with around 60% of your max weight for some deloading work. Nothing special there.

Second, ALWAYS do a core exercise each time you lift. The simple reason is this: It spikes test levels to the point that building muscle and getting leaner is easier. Doing 15 sets of curls and 15 sets of triceps just isn't going to do it because you are not letting the rise in test optimize the workout session. Heavy loading with a large muscle does the trick.

Third, the smaller muscles (biceps, shoulders, calves) do not need a massive amount of work. You are just going to overload them. Typically the core exercises will catch the smaller muscles as secondary movers, then you can add in accessory work to complement the core exercises.
Ex: Squat works quads, hams, calves and glutes. Primary is quad and glute, with secondary hams and calves. So..you can follow up the squats with Stiff Legged Deadlift and then a calf exercise like DC training calves.
Ex: Flat bench works chest, but also triceps. So...you can do accessory work like dips after chest to fully hit the triceps. Why start out with triceps when you can heavily load the bar in chest and it hits the triceps? Big arms comes from big weights from the core exercises.
Ex. Deadlifts work lower back, but also quads, traps, biceps and hams. So...you can do accessory work on shoulders to better hit the traps. The dudes with the biggest traps are the ones who do alot of deads. Conicidence? No...
Ex. Pulldowns work lats...but also biceps. So...you can do accessory work on biceps after the pulldowns like 4 sets of 10 or something like that. You get big biceps by doing alot of back work because biceps are small and do not take well to alot of volume. Not to mention they are very fast twitch. So very back is good for their growth.

How old are you? Use your high test levels to your advantage while you are young by focusing on core exercises. Muscle will be built by doing the core exercises and getting cut will come from the cardio. Only until you are trying to further define specific muscles should you be focusing on isolation movements for core exercises.

As far as the amount of reps and sets, just follow the link I posted as this is just a good starter to build muscle without doing alot of unnecessary fru fru movements.

[101lifts2]

Thats a lot of fish oil.

Just think of it in terms of fats....are 2 grams of good fats alot? No. I'm sure 1 piece of sashimi has over 1 gram of fish oil in it.

Eat at least 5 a day.

[Switch]

Just think of it in terms of fats....are 2 grams of good fats alot? No. I'm sure 1 piece of sashimi has over 1 gram of fish oil in it.

Eat at least 5 a day.

Lemme ask you, why do you lift? Seems like we do it for different reasons.

If in the end I end up dropping to 155, I'm fine with that.

[101lifts2]

Lemme ask you, why do you lift? Seems like we do it for different reasons.

If in the end I end up dropping to 155, I'm fine with that.

You seem like someone who doesn't really want advice or you think you know it all. Loosing weight isn't hard...in fact it it isn't hard at all.
Do 60min morning cardio 5 days a week for 2 months...you will get lean.

You are a 190lb pear now. At 155lbs, you will just be a 155lb pear. Do you want to be a pear at 155lbs? Do you seriously think you are going to not loose any muscle if you do a ton of cardio and get down to 155? You will. So....not only will you be a buck fifty five at 5'10, but now with 10% less muscle then before. Then....you end up getting a gut anyway at 155 in a year or so because muscle is thermgenic...so the less you have, the more the fat builds up. This is why bodybuilders get to 260lbs for years...then at 30-35 years old, then skim down to 200-220 at 8% and do work to maintain it.

I lift to get big and cut up.:lol...but the problem is that you have to strive to get big, but settle for 10lbs of muscle a year. Striving for anything less gets you little to no gain. Unless you have magic genes, you are going nowhere with the attitude you have. You body doesn't change easy so you need to push it beyond it's limits.

Sorry if this may come off as condesending, but I constantly hear attitudes like this and people wonder why they are the same all the time no matter what they try to do.

[101lifts2]

BTW....the MAX-OT isn't bad, but it's a program for higher weights.

[Switch]

Sorry Captain America, I will try to push harder.

See, you seem to have this thought that it's your way or no way, but you contradict yourself earlier in the thread and say "there are a million lifting routines".

I really don't see the huge difference in what I do and what you are proposing.

Except that you don't mention cardio anywhere, or stretching. Other than that, I think we are on the same page.

Were you expecting me to suck you off or something for your excellent guidance?

I'm eating a shit ton of protein, lifting heavy weights, doing core stuff, pushing the hell out of myself in the gym. So, I don't know what the fuck your deal is. Other than the fact that I didn't say "Oh you're right, I'm going to do exactly that!"

Oh, and I didn't even touch on the fish oil, multivitamins, and green supplements I take anyway, but I guess those are shit because they are more than just fish oil, which is what you recommended. I only take 2, so, I suck and I don't want to learn anything.

Speaking of contradiction, just two posts ago you were like "You better drop this getting big shit" and then in the last post you are telling me to work to get big, then settle for the small amount of muscle I will gain. Make up your fucking mind.

[Switch]

BTW....the MAX-OT isn't bad, but it's a program for higher weights.

Isn't that what you recommended earlier w/ your link about starting strength? Heavy weights, low reps?

Are you just posting what I post, but disagree?

[Switch]

You seem like someone who doesn't really want advice

I don't. Nowhere in this thread was I like "hay guys, can you tell me how to lift?"

No. I said it's to keep me accountable. That's it.

If after a month I see no results as far as physical appearance, general mood, and an increase in weight lifted, then I will consult you, Captain America.

[Homeslice]

Lemme ask you, why do you lift? Seems like we do it for different reasons.

If in the end I end up dropping to 155, I'm fine with that.


Well you didn't offer any specific goals other than you think you're too heavy for your height (which wouldn't be true if your BF was lower).

If all you want to do is burn fat, then sure, just do a bunch of machines and high reps.....But he was assuming that you, like most guys, want to protect or even gain muscle mass, so that's why he's telling you how to do it.

Just saying "I want to get back into shape" isn't specific enough. I could understand if you were training for an Ironman or something, where aerobic fitness is what's important......... But you're not, so why allow yourself to drop as far as 155? A guy of your height looks better at 175-180 than at 155, but that's just my opinion. :shrug:

[101lifts2]

Sorry Captain America, I will try to push harder.

See, you seem to have this thought that it's your way or no way, but you contradict earlier in the thread and say "there are a million lifting routines".

I really don't see the huge difference in what I do and what you are proposing.


If you don't want any advice just say so. Don't care dude, really.

There are a million routines yes. Some work, some don't. There are times to do some certain routines (based on goals, injuries, limitations, increase strength) and times to change it for another . You said you do MAX-OT. Why? It's a hard routine for those that have got there strength numbers up so you get the most out of the routine. Think of it as going into the advanced trackday group the very first time on the track. It doesn't make alot of sense.

...Except that you don't mention cardio anywhere, or stretching. Other than that, I think we are on the same page.

Didn't get to the cardio, which is done in the AM on the off days. You can add to this directly after lifting for 20-30min...low intensity.

...I'm eating a shit ton of protein, lifting heavy weights, doing core stuff, pushing the hell out of myself in the gym. So, I don't know what the fuck your deal is. Other than the fact that I didn't say "Oh you're right, I'm going to do exactly that!"....

Good...now measure the protein...and it's not really about pushing the hell outta yourself in the gym (cause your CNS cannot handle it over long periods of time), but rather striving for progression.

...Oh, and I didn't even touch on the fish oil, multivitamins, and green supplements I take anyway, but I guess those are shit because they are more than just fish oil, which is what you recommended. I only take 2, so, I suck and I don't want to learn anything....

Sounds good. Kick up the fish oil to at least 5. :lol

...Speaking of contradiction, just two posts ago you were like "You better drop this getting big shit" and then in the last post you are telling me to work to get big, then settle for the small amount of muscle I will gain. Make up your fucking mind.

I meant better drop the notion that you do not want to get big.

[101lifts2]

I don't. Nowhere in this thread was I like "hay guys, can you tell me how to lift?"

No. I said it's to keep me accountable. That's it.

If after a month I see no results as far as physical appearance, general mood, and an increase in weight lifted, then I will consult you, Captain America.

If after a month you see no results, you can pay for a personal trainer.

[Homeslice]

Speaking of contradiction, just two posts ago you were like "You better drop this getting big shit" and then in the last post you are telling me to work to get big, then settle for the small amount of muscle I will gain. Make up your fucking mind.

Dude........He thought you were AFRAID of getting big, or using that as an excuse not to do heavy weights. A lot of guys say stuff like that.......They say "I don't want to end up looking like a defensive lineman"......when it would never happen anyway.

[Switch]

this thread gives me a boner

[Fleck750]

this thread gives me a boner
Nice to know you're staying away from the 'roids. :D

[OneSickPsycho]

Well you didn't offer any specific goals other than you think you're too heavy for your height (which wouldn't be true if your BF was lower).

If all you want to do is burn fat, then sure, just do a bunch of machines and high reps.....But he was assuming that you, like most guys, want to protect or even gain muscle mass, so that's why he's telling you how to do it.

Just saying "I want to get back into shape" isn't specific enough. I could understand if you were training for an Ironman or something, where being in shape matters a lot more than how you look or what weight you end up being......... But you're not doing that, so why allow yourself to drop as far as 155? A guy of your height looks better at 175-180 than at 155, but that's just my opinion. :shrug:

First you're making comments about how well dressed some guys are... now this? :gayk:

[Homeslice]

First you're making comments about how well dressed some guys are... now this? :gayk:

Yep cuz the rest of you are too afraid to

Too concerned about your "net cred" :lol

[racedoll]

this thread gives me a boner

And it is giving me a headache, but lots of good and various information.

[Switch]

Finally, my boner has subsided

[Homeslice]

ermkay :scratch:

[Switch]

End of Week 2.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oMg17L_I/AAAAAAAAKlY/RlnkiHS5ReI/s800/DSCN0497.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oNxPc1SI/AAAAAAAAKlc/iYX8IZ5N9GY/s800/DSCN0499.JPG

Link to Gallery (http://picasaweb.google.com/kylebubp/FitnessExpedition?authkey=Gv1sRgCJnE1rLzmP-kHQ&feat=directlink)

[Kaneman]

Stop trying to molest your cat.

[Switch]

Stop trying to molest your cat.

I don't know what that means, but I hate cats.

[Kaneman]

I don't know what that means, but I hate cats.

Well apparently they know of your hatred for them, cause they did a number on your arm.

[Homeslice]

I know tat's are a personal thing, but would you be willing to explain the meaning behind yours?

[Switch]

Well apparently they know of your hatred for them, cause they did a number on your arm.

Ah, that's my dog.

I know tat's are a personal thing, but would you be willing to explain the meaning behind yours?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_Life

[Cory]

Stop trying to molest your cat.

:lol: I was thinking the same thing!

[Homeslice]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_Life

that's pretty cool

[The Awesome]

Good luck with your routine. I've been working pretty hard lately on fitness, too. After my last surgery I shot up to 195 or so. I'm down to 173 as of this morning. The weight loss part is simple... calories in vs calories out. I was doing about 1700 per day with only cardio for the first month or so. I was limited because I was not yet in the strength portion of physical therapy, so cardio was all I could really do. Now the shoulder work has progressed into a real lifting routine, and I've started riding bicycles for cardio. 3 days of lifting and 3 bikes rides from the lake to the top of the Foothills per week. I'm eating around 1900 calories daily now, and results seem to be coming along pretty nicely.

I think the real key is to not go overboard. Most people want to go balls out with a routine that is not sustainable. People start out insanely ambitious with loads of workouts, and diets so strict no one could stick to it long term. A moderate health plan that you can sustain for years will be much more beneficial than a few months of insanity followed by burnout.

Check out http://forum.bodybuilding.com/ for some good information. A lot of myths were dispelled for me when I started really researching things on that forum.

[racedoll]

I think the real key is to not go overboard. Most people want to go balls out with a routine that is not sustainable. People start out insanely ambitious with loads of workouts, and diets so strict no one could stick to it long term. A moderate health plan that you can sustain for years will be much more beneficial than a few months of insanity followed by burnout.

Totally agree!

[Switch]

Totally agree!

I agree on this as well. Being healthy is a lifestyle, not just a diet.

Do something you can live with.

[Dave]

I just spent an hour on a treadmill.

[Homeslice]

I just spent an hour on a treadmill.

Here's a cookie.

Whoops, no cookie emoticon on this board.

[Dave]

Here's a cookie.

Whoops, no cookie emoticon on this board.

Lmao I was kinda upset. It just shuts down at the hour mark. Is that all you got bitch!

[The Awesome]

Lmao I was kinda upset. It just shuts down at the hour mark. Is that all you got bitch!

An hour is plenty of cardio. Just raise the intensity until you have to work for it.

[jtemple]

45 min to 1 hour of cardio in one session, tops. That's the rule of thumb for minimizing burnt muscle mass.

If you really want to get your cardio done quickly, and maximize your fat burning for the day, look into High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT). I've never tried it myself, but a lot of people swear by it.

If HIIT isn't brutal enough for you, look at Tabata.

[Switch]

HIIT is tough shit, but man you feel like you accomplished a shit ton when you're done.

I recommend.

[Dave]

45 min to 1 hour of cardio in one session, tops. That's the rule of thumb for minimizing burnt muscle mass.

If you really want to get your cardio done quickly, and maximize your fat burning for the day, look into High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT). I've never tried it myself, but a lot of people swear by it.

If HIIT isn't brutal enough for you, look at Tabata.

I just want to up my endurance under the assumption that the afghanistan rumors are true. Kinda wondering if vic's gym will let me run the treadmill in my vest

[jtemple]

I just want to up my endurance under the assumption that the afghanistan rumors are true. Kinda wondering if vic's gym will let me run the treadmill in my vestIt's nice outside. Go outside!

[Dave]

It's nice outside. Go outside!
Its hot out there :lol: I got enough of that a few years ago. Besides this is cherry hill, a guy running around in a "bullet proof" vest is almost for sure going to get the attention of some dickhead authority figure

[Switch]

Updated pics in post # 1

[tached1000rr]

Updated pics in post # 1

good progress, keep it up!

[Mr Lefty]

Nice progress so far... you need to get Moobs ie Trip in on this...


I'm starting P90x again tomorrow... quit once already after 2 weeks because of my job and throwing out my shoulder (bs excuses really... just talked myself out of it.)

[Switch]

Nice progress so far... you need to get Moobs ie Trip in on this...


Fat chance.

[racedoll]

Nice progress!

[Switch]

Thanks all, I still screw up from time to time (today I had Rocky Road ice cream with caramel and hot fudge) but during the week I try to be very strict on my diet and exercise.

I hope I can get down to 180 next month.

[Mr Lefty]

Fat chance.

I see what you did there... :lol:

[Mr Lefty]

Nice progress so far... you need to get Moobs ie Trip in on this...


I'm starting P90x again tomorrow... quit once already after 2 weeks because of my job and throwing out my shoulder (bs excuses really... just talked myself out of it.)

damn it... found out I'm gonna have to push this back because I have my PRT test in a week and have to cover for a coworker at 0300 for a week...

[wildchild]

looks like you're doing well so far.

This must be the year of fatties. I gained aboput 10 pounds in the lasst year as well. may try to get rid of it this summer.

What totally mazes me about this thread is Hokie asked if she should post pics and no one jumped on board screaming yes!!!!

[NONE_too_SOFT]

End of Week 2.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oMg17L_I/AAAAAAAAKlY/RlnkiHS5ReI/s800/DSCN0497.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_iWoH2wsiCF0/S_3oNxPc1SI/AAAAAAAAKlc/iYX8IZ5N9GY/s800/DSCN0499.JPG

Link to Gallery (http://picasaweb.google.com/kylebubp/FitnessExpedition?authkey=Gv1sRgCJnE1rLzmP-kHQ&feat=directlink)

alright now stop flexing and breath out.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

Nice progress so far... you need to get Moobs ie Trip in on this...


I'm starting P90x again tomorrow... quit once already after 2 weeks because of my job and throwing out my shoulder (bs excuses really... just talked myself out of it.)

any way you could burn those? or rip them? wonder if i can get a torrent of them somewhere.

[marko138]

any way you could burn those? or rip them? wonder if i can get a torrent of them somewhere.
Thats what I'm talking about...

[racedoll]

What totally mazes me about this thread is Hokie asked if she should post pics and no one jumped on board screaming yes!!!!

I noticed this too.

[Cass]

Good for you man... keep it up :)

I'm on my own fitness routine, brought on by a friend's wedding and the boyfriend's boat purchase (requiring a dress and a swimsuit, respectively). Me no likey diet... but it will be worth it. Low carbs, higher protein, portion control, lots of water.... so far the gym has just been treadmill work: warm up, jog/slow run for a minute, then walk for 4, repeat for 45min total, cool down, some yoga poses to stretch/recover. Need to add some core work next.

[Mr Lefty]

any way you could burn those? or rip them? wonder if i can get a torrent of them somewhere.

I tried... but they're protected... and I don't want to pay for software to do it...

[HokieDNA01]

What totally mazes me about this thread is Hokie asked if she should post pics and no one jumped on board screaming yes!!!!

I'm not as "in demand" for the TWF spank bank as others. Thats ok though. Pics are for me. Took them yesterday. Made my first grocery run ($185 ouch) and Tony will have his way with me this afternoon. Let the 90 days of fun begin.

[wildchild]

I'm not as "in demand" for the TWF spank bank as others. Thats ok though. Pics are for me. Took them yesterday. Made my first grocery run ($185 ouch) and Tony will have his way with me this afternoon. Let the 90 days of fun begin.

well let me be the first to scream yes!!!! then. :dribble:

[marko138]

I tried... but they're protected... and I don't want to pay for software to do it...
I can do it.

[OneSickPsycho]

I tried... but they're protected... and I don't want to pay for software to do it...

There are torrents out there... I have it actually... Pirate Bay is where I found it IIRC.

I'm not as "in demand" for the TWF spank bank as others. Thats ok though. Pics are for me. Took them yesterday. Made my first grocery run ($185 ouch) and Tony will have his way with me this afternoon. Let the 90 days of fun begin.

I just don't think anyone saw it. :boobs:

[tached1000rr]

I'm not as "in demand" for the TWF spank bank as others. Thats ok though. Pics are for me. Took them yesterday. Made my first grocery run ($185 ouch) and Tony will have his way with me this afternoon. Let the 90 days of fun begin.

I like to see others efforts with their body transformations, so post up the before pics and after pics when it's time (no leghump intended)

[OneSickPsycho]

I like to see others efforts with their body transformations, so post up the before pics and after pics when it's time (no leghump intended)

For reals... very motivating.

[Mr Lefty]

There are torrents out there... I have it actually... Pirate Bay is where I found it IIRC.



I just don't think anyone saw it. :boobs:

what's the name of the program?

[Switch]

what's the name of the program?

Slysoft AnyDVD and Slysoft Clone DVD

AnyDVD will remove DRM, Clone DVD will actually rip the DVD to your HD.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

holy shit this torrent is big for just a workout vid. but yea, im DL'ing from Pirate bay. get it while the gettin's good.

[Mr Lefty]

holy shit this torrent is big for just a workout vid. but yea, im DL'ing from Pirate bay. get it while the gettin's good.

dude it's like 12-14 DVD's... yeah gonna be a big file;)

[NONE_too_SOFT]

dude it's like 12-14 DVD's... yeah gonna be a big file;)

well i'll let you know how it goes in 48 hours when this shit is done downloading in A COMPLETELY LEGAL WAY.

[tached1000rr]

bringing this one up from the grave, any updates on progress?