What's worse than the cops shooting your dog? [Archive]

RACER X

05-16-2010, 11:16 PM

"but Godbee(a LEO) said in the statement the 34-year-old suspect in Blake's death was found and arrested at the home.

sucks it happens. outta charge the suspect w/ her death.

war on drugs........wha......

"Authorities believed the suspect in the Friday shooting death of 17-year-old high school student Jarean Blake was hiding out at the home"

azoomm

05-16-2010, 11:24 PM

The 34 year old suspect in a brutal slaying of a 17 year old was the story I read. Funny how the story tilts depending where you read it.

Horrible about the little girl. And, I hope things change. But.... :(

Avatard

05-16-2010, 11:33 PM

Let's be clear; they were looking for a murder suspect, and not some weed this time.

When did it become fashionable to stage military style home invasions like this, though?

What would you say brought that on?

...And there you go.:shrug:

RACER X

05-17-2010, 01:38 AM

um maybe harboring a person wanted for murdering another........maybe.

Avatard

05-17-2010, 01:53 AM

I don't recall the police having SWAT teams, and staging military-style no-knock home invasions before the "drug war".

The fact is that federal funds are made available for these tactical squads from the money budgeted for this "drug war".

You can pretend it's not important, not relevant, or not worth your concern...but I think the raid where they shot the dog has already proven that this isn't just an inner city problem that affects those "other people" anymore.

I sincerely hope that no military style tactical squad ever invades your house, and shoots you, or your kids, or your animals...just as I hope they don't attack me or mine...but I'm certainly no longer so sure that this kind of thing only happened once-upon-a-time in Nazi Germany...it happens here, now, and it could be you or me - and if you wanna pretend everything's ok, I can't help ya.:shrug:

Me? Not so sure.

I think this whole war on drugs thing has now been used to totally rob Americans of their right to feel secure in their own homes, and it has "changed the game" in a very dangerous manner. This is not how warrants used to be served, and it was the war on drugs that was the vehicle used to change it.

Our founding fathers would be fucking horrified. I know I am.

"Her father, 25-year-old Charles Jones, told The Detroit News he had just gone to bed early Sunday after covering his daughter with her favorite Disney princess blanket when he heard a flash grenade followed by a gunshot. When he rushed into the living room, he said, police forced him to lie on the ground, with his face in his daughter's blood." (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100517/ap_on_re_us/us_police_search_girl_killed)

:mad:

RACER X

05-17-2010, 08:20 AM

i'm pretty sure your drug friendly countries have these "SWAT" style teams as well.

shmike

05-17-2010, 09:41 AM

Horrible and tragic.

Not sure why the War On Drugs(tm) was dragged into this. :idk:

Why not blame religion?

Rider

05-17-2010, 09:50 AM

A terrible accident. Sound like a possible accidental discharge. I know , hard to "accidentally" discharge a firearm but I seriously doubt this l;little girl was shot on purpose. The parent s are to blame for harboring an suspected murderer and putting their daughter in harms way.

the chi

05-17-2010, 10:21 AM

While it is a horrible thing to occur, I kinda agree with Rider. Even the article states the gun was fired during a physical altercation with a person in the room and the officer, not an intentional shot at the child.

azoomm

05-17-2010, 11:09 AM

More information: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100516/NEWS01/100516014/1003/news01/Assistant-Police-Chief-Godbees-remarks-on-shooting&template=fullarticle

sherri_chickie

05-17-2010, 11:28 AM

It is extremely sad that a little girl was killed, but don't harbour a fugitive and things like that wouldn't happen.. ( for the most part) Sadly she was innocent.

azoomm

05-17-2010, 11:56 AM

It is extremely sad that a little girl was killed, but don't harbour a fugitive and things like that wouldn't happen.. ( for the most part) Sadly she was innocent.

But wait, hold on.

Say a friend of yours does a bad thing. A REALLY bad thing. And, you don't have any idea that this BAD thing happend. What happens when they come over to your house, stop by randomly because they don't want to get home and wait to get busted for that REALLY bad thing.

You've put your daughter to sleep on the couch because you don't have any clue that this [now] fugitive is at your house.

Would you accept being told "don't harbor a fugitive and things like that won't happen" after your daughter is killed?

RACER X

05-17-2010, 12:12 PM

it is what it is

the cop most likely didn't mean to do it
the parents prolly didn't mean to harbor a fug.
the family will sue and get big $
the bad guy hopefully goto jail
the cop will live w/ this the rest of his life

z06boy

05-17-2010, 12:21 PM

But wait, hold on.

Say a friend of yours does a bad thing. A REALLY bad thing. And, you don't have any idea that this BAD thing happend. What happens when they come over to your house, stop by randomly because they don't want to get home and wait to get busted for that REALLY bad thing.

You've put your daughter to sleep on the couch because you don't have any clue that this [now] fugitive is at your house.

Would you accept being told "don't harbor a fugitive and things like that won't happen" after your daughter is killed?

Yep it's always different when it isn't actually you that it happens to.

KSGregman

05-17-2010, 12:28 PM

But wait, hold on.

Say a friend of yours does a bad thing. A REALLY bad thing. And, you don't have any idea that this BAD thing happend. What happens when they come over to your house, stop by randomly because they don't want to get home and wait to get busted for that REALLY bad thing.

You've put your daughter to sleep on the couch because you don't have any clue that this [now] fugitive is at your house.

Would you accept being told "don't harbor a fugitive and things like that won't happen" after your daughter is killed?

I agree with what you are trying to say except for one small detail....the officers had a lawful warrant to be there...and the occupant of the home chose to fight...to create a physical altercation at the door. Without that fight, the gun likely does not go off and that little girl is still alive today.

sherri_chickie

05-17-2010, 01:00 PM

IF they did not know they had a fugative in the house, then they were doing nothing wrong and it's just a horrible tragedy. The fact that there was some sort of physical altercation at the door makes them look guilty. Cops announced themselves, had a legal warrant and the people chose to resist.

I still feel horrible for all involved, but don't think that the family is completely innocent.

azoomm

05-17-2010, 01:00 PM

it is what it is

That makes me sad.

Smittie61984

05-17-2010, 01:07 PM

i'm pretty sure your drug friendly countries have these "SWAT" style teams as well.

Not possible. Countries that have legal drugs never have problems because everyone is happy.

anthonyk

05-17-2010, 02:51 PM

I don't recall the police having SWAT teams, and staging military-style no-knock home invasions before the "drug war".

Just because you don't recall it doesn't mean SWAT teams weren't common well before the 80's and the war on drugs. Police SWAT teams in the US have been around since the 60's, and probably got focused on hostage recovery and antiterrorism tactics well before busting down the doors of drug dealers.

This is a terrible situation, but why does someone always have to be to blame?

Avatard

05-17-2010, 02:53 PM

The war on drugs started with Nixon, please go sit in the back of the class. The federal government funds the creation of these military raid squads to fight the war on drugs. It's now become a regularly scheduled event; 100-150 per day.

Sleep well.

Avatard

05-17-2010, 02:59 PM

Horrible and tragic.

Not sure why the War On Drugs(tm) was dragged into this. :idk:

Why not blame religion?

Religion is actually at the root of the drug war, as it is the religious conservatives that drive the misguided conservative movement towards prohibition...but stopping these military style raids against families is going to take attacking the problem at the crisis point; where the gun barrel meets the 7-year-old.

Rider

05-17-2010, 03:05 PM

Reasons why the Minority Report could be a good thing for society. :runaway:

kidding you motherfuckers....

pauldun170

05-17-2010, 03:15 PM

To sum up....

In repsonse to girl - We are sad about the unfortunate incident and would like to pass on our condolences in a silent non-comittal manner that will not cause any burning of calories or offense to the those deeply effected. Next time, better training and counciling for the officers may be helpful...but not as helpful as the girl not associating her self with people who associate with bad bad people.

In response to dog -THATS SO FUCKED UP!! THEY NEED TO BE PUNISHED!!! HOW COULD THEY DO THAT TO A DOG!!! OMGZ!!!
OMGZ!!!

OMGZ WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!@! !!!!!!!!

OneSickPsycho

05-17-2010, 03:35 PM

pauldun170

05-17-2010, 03:58 PM

We care about pets more than people... nothing new here. I know if all the people in the world evaporated overnight, I think I'd probably be more worried if my cat ran away.

I guess if all the people went away you'd still need something to screw.
We don't call them pussies for nothing.

I would recomend you get it declawed prior to the dissapearance of people.
I think they covered this on the History Channel.

wildchild

05-17-2010, 04:00 PM

OneSickPsycho

05-17-2010, 04:09 PM

I guess if all the people went away you'd still need something to screw.
We don't call them pussies for nothing.

I would recomend you get it declawed prior to the dissapearance of people.
I think they covered this on the History Channel.

Hole's too small even for MY dick... Livestock beware...

pauldun170

05-17-2010, 04:14 PM

Hole's too small even for MY dick... Livestock beware...

Man rule #654
If you cant get it in, fold it over and stick in the fold.

pauldun170

05-17-2010, 04:34 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37191818/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

RACER X

05-17-2010, 09:20 PM

hmmm

"‘It's not an accident’
But Fieger (familys atty) said the video shows an officer lobbing the grenade and then shooting into the home from the porch."

Avatard

05-17-2010, 09:20 PM

Video shows police fired into Detroit home (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_police_search_girl_killed)

Police have said officers threw a flash grenade through the first-floor window of the two-family home, and that an officer's gun discharged, killing the girl, during a struggle or after colliding with the girl's grandmother inside the home.

But Fieger said the video shows an officer lobbing the grenade and then shooting into the home from the porch.

"There is no question about what happened because it's in the videotape," Fieger said. "It's not an accident. It's not a mistake. There was no altercation."

KSGregman

05-17-2010, 10:48 PM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!

That changes EVERYTHING if it's true. The fact that it happened is horrible...the fact that they lied about to cover it up/justify it is even worse.

Particle Man

05-17-2010, 10:52 PM

video shows police fired into detroit home (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_police_search_girl_killed)

omg :(

RACER X

05-17-2010, 11:07 PM

anyone actually seen the vid?

the chi

05-18-2010, 09:49 AM

*shudder* Incredible.

z06boy

05-18-2010, 09:58 AM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!

That changes EVERYTHING if it's true. The fact that it happened is horrible...the fact that they lied about to cover it up/justify it is even worse.

Yep

Rider

05-18-2010, 10:05 AM

I'll wait to see the video before crucifying the police department. The story is one sided and as of yet no video evidence has been provided to the public.

z06boy

05-18-2010, 10:09 AM

I'll wait to see the video before crucifying the police department. The story is one sided and as of yet no video evidence has been provided to the public.

Troof

3 sides to every story but I bet there are some officers cringing right now wondering if there is some video out there...IF they did anything wrong.

Avatard

05-18-2010, 10:49 AM

The officer that lobbed in the grenade, and fired the shot is supposed to be the same officer that was involved in a shootout with others in another house a year ago, where they shot back from inside.

I think perhaps our boy was tripping, had a "flashback", and forgot where he was.

I think people selected for this job can't be the ones with "mental issues", because they carry weapons as part of the job description.

I think the police need to stop invading family homes at night.

In America.

Kaneman

05-18-2010, 10:52 AM

I think the police need to stop invading family homes at night.

In America.

Exactly.

wildchild

05-18-2010, 12:25 PM

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!

That changes EVERYTHING if it's true. The fact that it happened is horrible...the fact that they lied about to cover it up/justify it is even worse.

What!!? Cops would lie to cover their asses? No way. :td:

101lifts2

05-24-2010, 01:59 AM

Very sad for the slain girl. RIP

Typical lying cops...crooked as the crimminals, esp. in Detriot.

Smittie61984

05-24-2010, 01:31 PM

I think people selected for this job can't be the ones with "mental issues", because they carry weapons as part of the job description.

Another problem with that is cops are paid shit. $26k a year to get shot at by some 15 year old driving past curfew? No one in their right mind would take that job unless it is just a passion of theirs. But we keep dumping money into government programs for deadbeats who happen to be the ones burning houes and shooting cops while we cut the budget for police and firefighters.

I am curious what those opposed to the police raids think is the best way to go after criminals (real ones). You have a suspected murderer and you know he is in a house with people. You need this guy so he/she can have their day in court and brought to justice. Do you just knock on the door and ask him to come out all nice like? I agree that we are wasting our time with the war on drugs but getting a murderer is not a waste of time. And in order to protect the law enforcement officers who are enforcing the anti-killing people laws I think it is best to go in by suprise vs giving the guy a chance to have a standoff with police.

askmrjesus

05-24-2010, 01:55 PM

I am curious what those opposed to the police raids think is the best way to go after criminals (real ones). You have a suspected murderer and you know he is in a house with people. You need this guy so he/she can have their day in court and brought to justice. Do you just knock on the door and ask him to come out all nice like? I agree that we are wasting our time with the war on drugs but getting a murderer is not a waste of time. And in order to protect the law enforcement officers who are enforcing the anti-killing people laws I think it is best to go in by suprise vs giving the guy a chance to have a standoff with police.

Step 1: Make sure you have the right fucking house.

Step 2: Make sure the guy you're after, is actually in the house, (this is kind of important).

Step 3: Wait for him to come out, and then shoot his ass (if need be).

I'd like to know what the protocol is. Do the cops even think to ask their informants if there are children in the house, or do they just not give a shit?

JC

Homeslice

05-24-2010, 02:24 PM

Another problem with that is cops are paid shit. $26k a year to get shot at by some 15 year old driving past curfew?

$26K starting salary in a small town, maybe.........But the starting salary in a decent-szize town could easily be $50K. And then it just goes up from there...... It's not like the typical job that only gives you a 3% raise a year.

Smittie61984

05-24-2010, 05:07 PM

$26K starting salary in a small town, maybe.........But the starting salary in a decent-szize town could easily be $50K. And then it just goes up from there...... It's not like the typical job that only gives you a 3% raise a year.

Gwinnnett County Georgia (probably the most well funded county in the suburbs of Atlanta) starts around 26-28. I'm sure NYPD gets more but cost of living is a bitch up there too so they might as well come down here. Now granted their benefits and retirement packages kick ass but not worth getting shot at for that.

Even if cops do get 50k+ then that means there is some government hack desk jockey making 75k somewhere else for doing nothing. Then there are the lowlifes who make welfare, foodstamps, HUD, etc, etc, etc and probably come out better than the police. And again they are the ones shooting at the cops and the firefighters in the first place.

Of course if they cut their vice cops and drug enforcement they probably could give a fat raise across the board but then there would be job cuts too.