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Anyone watch it? I thought it was dumb...
I just can't believe that the final 5 minutes were so lame and crappy.
wait let me guess. they got rescued by a helicopter only to crash on a completely different uncharted island? lulz ensue?
no, worse
Jack became the new Jacob. Desmond pulled a stone cork out of the island. A light turned off. They killed the smoke monster with one bullet, but not before it stabbed Jack. The island started falling apart. Jack put the stone cork back in. Island stayed safe. Jack dies. Fat ass is the new Jacob. The sideways weird flash is them in purgatory and they all meet in a church after remembering each other and go into the light.
so they were all already dead? cop out
goof2
05-24-2010, 09:53 AM
If you haven't watched it yet don't read this cause I'm going to spoil it.
The "flashes" between people when they became aware of "the past" or whatever it was were pretty cool and definitely grabbed me. Pretty much everything else annoyed me. They explained the main gimmick for this season, which turned out to be pretty weak, and called it good. Practically everything else that happened over the last 7 years was just left hanging. Everything that would have happened afterward for the group who got off the island on the plane was left hanging as well. It was better than "The Sopranos" finale, but not by much.
goof2
05-24-2010, 09:57 AM
so they were all already dead? cop out
No, and at the end of the island sequences some of them escaped on a plane and presumably survived. The sideways flashes of purgatory were actually sometime in the future, presumably after everyone who remained alive at the end of the island sequences had died later in life.
pauldun170
05-24-2010, 09:57 AM
no, worse
Jack became the new Jacob. Desmond pulled a stone cork out of the island. A light turned off. They killed the smoke monster with one bullet, but not before it stabbed Jack. The island started falling apart. Jack put the stone cork back in. Island stayed safe. Jack dies. Fat ass is the new Jacob. The sideways weird flash is them in purgatory and they all meet in a church after remembering each other and go into the light.
No
The sideways flash world was not pergoatory. Its a place they created for themselves (why all the Characters's LA-verse lives seemed so perfect) as they waited for everyone else to die in real life. Once all them died in real life they would all move on to the "afterlife" together.
Desmond was Dalai Lama
Hurley was Buddha
Great Series
Weak ass ending.
Its a tradition with all these successful writers. Get an ego trip and then they try and get "deep"
Soprano's
BSG
and now Lost.
So far the best ending to a recent series has been Six Feet under.
pauldun170
05-24-2010, 10:01 AM
So the season opener with the Island underwater was just way to spend cash on special effects.
so they were all already dead? cop out
no, they had a sideways flash theme this season to an alternate reality that was a what if the island was at the bottom of the ocean and no one was impacted by it. It turned out they were already dead in this reality and it was a kinda of purgatory until they all died and met up and reminded each other of their time on the island and then most of them passed over to the other side.
I thought that concept was neat as well. What pissed me off is you never found out the purpose of the island or the egyptian shit there. If it was a cork to prevent the darkness from getting off the island, what about before smoke man came to be before jacob threw him into the hole. There was no darkness there before that... It never really explained shit about the island, it was clusterfuck of randomness with no explanation.
no, they had a sideways flash theme this season to an alternate reality that was a what if the island was at the bottom of the ocean and no one was impacted by it. It turned out they were already dead in this reality and it was a kinda of purgatory until they all died and met up and reminded each other of their time on the island and then most of them passed over to the other side.
I thought that concept was neat as well. What pissed me off is you never found out the purpose of the island or the egyptian shit there. If it was a cork to prevent the darkness from getting off the island, what about before smoke man came to be before jacob threw him into the hole. There was no darkness there before that... It never really explained shit about the island, it was clusterfuck of randomness with no explanation.
Meh I quit watching a looong time ago. Sounds like I made the right choice
Soprano's
BSG
and now Lost.
So far the best ending to a recent series has been Six Feet under.
Did anyone see Jimmy's alternate endings to lost after the finale?
One of them was a survivor ending, another was the ending to the sopranos, and another was a bob newhart show I didn't recognize but was probably famous.
The sopranos one was funny.
I really wanted to know about the egyptian things on the island, that shit always intrigued me. Like the temple and statue. Wish they would of went into more of that origin stuff. The jacob origin was seriously lacking.
They would of ruined it like they did the darma mystique though.
Anyway, back to Lost.
Anyway seen anything that might give us a little more info now that it's over?
pauldun170
05-24-2010, 10:36 AM
I thought that concept was neat as well. What pissed me off is you never found out the purpose of the island or the egyptian shit there. If it was a cork to prevent the darkness from getting off the island, what about before smoke man came to be before jacob threw him into the hole. There was no darkness there before that... It never really explained shit about the island, it was clusterfuck of randomness with no explanation.
They gave explanations.
Extremely weak explanations.
They took the religion route with the show. While the writers are patting themselves on the back for being "so deep" with the final season the rest of us who were looking for clear explanations are instead told "its metaphor....blah blah blah blah spirtual...blah blah blah blah...." and then told "the meaning will change depending on your perspective blah blah blah".
The island had a lightbulb shoved up its goatse and that shat out the ability for people to get all funky under black lights.
Millenia ago, a crazy security guard lady who lived in the woods found a pregnant illegal immigrant and while tickling the cooch pulled out her babies, one a Nazi and the other thin angry gay man. In order to protect humanities glowing asshole from having to learn spanish she kills the the cleaning lady after the kids pops out and attaches each one to a boob.
Several year later the angry gay one finds out there are other people with penis on the island after taking shrooms and seeing the cleaning lady. He then goes off to have butt sex while the Nazi sticks arounf to breast feed...which he does until the age of 40.
Eventually Nazi man becomes protector of humanities goatse and people from all over end up on the island for various reasons and at one point some egyptian build a statue on the island with a 500 sq ft studio apartment in the basement.
Would you like me to go on?
Anyway, back to Lost.
Anyway seen anything that might give us a little more info now that it's over?
Ask your questions an ye shall recieve
Homeslice
05-24-2010, 10:46 AM
The reason they left so many plot holes unresolved was because the writers didn't know WTF they were doing anymore, they were just flipping coins to come up with stuff. That's what happens when you don't have it all planned before you start.
It should have only lasted 2-3 seasons, but they wanted to milk it for all it was worth, and that's why it reached a point where it was impossible to wrap up all the mysteries because they had thrown too many of them into it. I'm with Dave, I'm glad I stopped watching a few years ago.
pauldun170
05-24-2010, 10:53 AM
The reason they left so many plot holes unresolved was because the writers didn't know WTF they were doing anymore. That's what happens when you don't have it all planned before you start. It just becomes more and more ridiculous. It should have only lasted 2-3 seasons, but they wanted to milk it for all it was worth, and that's why it reached a point where it was impossible to wrap up all the mysteries because they had thrown too many of them into it. I'm with Dave, I'm glad I stopped watching a few years ago.
I think they did an excellent job with the show overall up until the end put together a great story. While the afterlife lameless of the finale was an erection killer, I'm glad I invested the time into the series.
I don't think they left many plot holes. They just tried to hard to be "deep" with some of the explanations.
I think they did an excellent job with the show overall up until the end put together a great story. While the afterlife lameless of the finale was an erection killer, I'm glad I invested the time into the series.
They needed to do something more than the cork and one shot kill of smokey. They built up this good vs evil and then it was solved with a shot in the back. It would of been awesome if Jack took out Smokey in a better way and Jack lived, but before Smokey died, he turned Sawyer and Sawyer went into the Cork room and became the new Smokey. Jack vs Sawyer would be the new Jacob vs MiB. Fat ass with a more cuddly version of Ben is fucking gay. I think that is what pisses me off the most about the finale. The island gets fat ass. I always hated that fat piece of shit.
Homeslice
05-24-2010, 11:03 AM
I think they did an excellent job with the show overall up until the end put together a great story. While the afterlife lameless of the finale was an erection killer, I'm glad I invested the time into the series.
I don't think they left many plot holes. They just tried to hard to be "deep" with some of the explanations.
Then can you provide an explanation for the purpose of the island? What was its history? What is the smoke monster's origin? \
You know, important shit like that.
pauldun170
05-24-2010, 11:04 AM
They needed to do something more than the cork and one shot kill of smokey. They built up this good vs evil and then it was solved with a shot in the back. It would of been awesome if Jack took out Smokey in a better way and Jack lived, but before Smokey died, he turned Sawyer and Sawyer went into the Cork room and became the new Smokey. Jack vs Sawyer would be the new Jacob vs MiB. Fat ass with a more cuddly version of Ben is fucking gay. I think that is what pisses me off the most about the finale. The island gets fat ass. I always hated that fat piece of shit.
A co-worker swore that the final scene was going to be Jack and "Not Locke" on the beach and "Not Lock" was going to say "do you know how much I want to kill you?" to Jack as a boat cruises toward the island in the distance.
pauldun170
05-24-2010, 11:06 AM
Then can you provide an explanation for the purpose of the island? What was its history? What is the smoke monster's origin? What is the source of the island's power?
You know, important shit like that.
They covered that....had you watched the show you would have those answers.
Then can you provide an explanation for the purpose of the island? What was its history? What is the smoke monster's origin? What is the source of the island's power?
You know, important shit like that.
It's the "light" of humanity.
They didn't give a good history of the island passed jacob's origin. The egyptian stuff is religion metaphor...
The smoke monster is Jacob's brother after Jacob beat up his brother and threw him into the "heart" of the island where the "light" is...
A lava light type thing that is kept in check by a stone cork with water flowing into it. If you pull out the cork, the water stops flowing, the light turns off, the island falls into the water, and bad shit happens to humanity.
A co-worker swore that the final scene was going to be Jack and "Not Locke" on the beach and "Not Lock" was going to say "do you know how much I want to kill you?" to Jack as a boat cruises toward the island in the distance.
I told my wife last week Jack would die and Hurley would become the new Jacob after Hurley said he didn't want the job when Jack took it in the last show. They made that one too easy though, you could see that one coming.
pauldun170
05-24-2010, 11:12 AM
It's the "light" of humanity.
The smoke monster is Jacob's brother after Jacob beat up his brother and threw him into the "heart" of the island where the "light" is...
A lava light type thing that is kept in check by a stone cork with water flowing into it. If you pull out the cork, the water stops flowing, the light turns off, the island falls into the water, and bad shit happens to humanity.
To expand
The Island is a portal into the soul\spirit of humanity.
Jacob threw his brother down the well and the the portal farted out the darkness of brotha's soul (seperated the body from soul and since brotha was ina bad mood and dark place, that was what was farted out.
They couldn't let him leave the island because he was both pissy and all powerful.
goof2
05-24-2010, 11:33 AM
No
The sideways flash world was not pergoatory. Its a place they created for themselves (why all the Characters's LA-verse lives seemed so perfect) as they waited for everyone else to die in real life. Once all them died in real life they would all move on to the "afterlife" together.
I disagree, there was no timeline tied to real life in the alternate "LA-verse", hence no waiting for everyone to die in real life. Jack was apparently the person they were waiting for before moving on. At the time of his death Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Miles, Rose, Bernard, Desmond, Hurley, and Ben were all still alive yet they were some of the people who were waiting for Jack. If the LA-verse was tied to any kind of time it was waiting for each person's soul to realize it was dead. In real life time it was sometime far in the future presuming one of Hurley's island watching powers was living a long time like Jacob did.
You got to remember what Christian Shepherd said at the end though, time was irrelevant in the LA-verse.
HurricaneHeather
05-24-2010, 11:45 AM
I lost interest in this show within the first season and to read what y'all are saying....it's frickin hilarious because you all sound delusional. :lol:
KSGregman
05-24-2010, 11:45 AM
I'm sure that I'm in the minority here...but...I've never watched the show...and reading this thread does nothing to make me interested in ever watching it. It sounds dumb as hell. :lmao:
HurricaneHeather
05-24-2010, 11:53 AM
I'm sure that I'm in the minority here...but...I've never watched the show...and reading this thread does nothing to make me interested in ever watching it. It sounds dumb as hell. :lmao:
I started watching it to connect with my then boyfriend's teenage sister and it was painful. I hate hour long tv shows and I hate dramas. I thought I'd give it a shot to have something to talk to my now sister in law, but I found out me making fun of the show was not making her hate me less. At all. Go figure. :lol:
Homeslice
05-24-2010, 11:55 AM
They covered that....had you watched the show you would have those answers.
No, they didn't.
What you and Trip said is weak. Wow, the island is a portal into the soul of humanity. Wow, bad things happen when you release tghe cork. That's a really good explanation :lol......Too bad it's missing the why, the how, and the origin story.
No, they didn't.
What you and Trip said is weak. Wow, the island is a portal into the soul of humanity. Wow, bad things happen when you release tghe cork. That's a really good explanation :lol......Too bad it's missing the why, the how, and the origin story.
Yes it is weak, I agree.
The producers said it wasn't about the mythology, that was left up to personal interpretation by what you believe. They said the show was about character development. That's why the ending is dumb and will kill the impact of the show. It wasn't memorable and will make the rest of the show garbage like the sopranos are now.
marko138
05-24-2010, 12:39 PM
I watched one season of this show. Like....3 years ago. I got into it. Then the next season it conflicted with a show wife watched. You know who wins that battle.
So I haven't seen this show in 3 years and last night wife decides she's watching the last episode. I said "WTF would we watch this show, we have no F'n clue whats going on".
So I watched the last episode and was totally fucking confused.
Rider
05-24-2010, 12:42 PM
I watched one season of this show. Like....3 years ago. I got into it. Then the next season it conflicted with a show wife watched. You know who wins that battle.
So I haven't seen this show in 3 years and last night wife decides she's watching the last episode. I said "WTF would we watch this show, we have no F'n clue whats going on".
So I watched the last episode and was totally fucking confused.
You need more than one fucking TV is your house son. Either that or you need to put your pimp hand to good use.
marko138
05-24-2010, 12:43 PM
You need more than one fucking TV is your house son. Either that or you need to put your pimp hand to good use.
I have 2 HDTV's in my home.
Rider
05-24-2010, 12:46 PM
I have 2 HDTV's in my home.:?: Then why do you need to watch what she wants?
Switch
05-24-2010, 12:46 PM
So basically, it was Sixth Sense?
shmike
05-24-2010, 12:48 PM
I made it through the entire life of the show without managing to subject myself to a single episode!
pauldun170
05-24-2010, 01:10 PM
No, they didn't.
What you and Trip said is weak. Wow, the island is a portal into the soul of humanity. Wow, bad things happen when you release tghe cork. That's a really good explanation :lol......Too bad it's missing the why, the how, and the origin story.
Let me get this straight..
You are criticizing a series (and posts related to a series) you haven't watched?
how hipster of you....
Homeslice
05-24-2010, 01:33 PM
Let me get this straight..
You are criticizing a series (and posts related to a series) you haven't watched?
how hipster of you....
As I said, I watched the first couple seasons, then got tired of not receiving any answers.
I prefer shows that are based on a book that was written in advance.....Not shows where the writers have no idea what's going to happen, and make shit up as they go along.
Homeslice
05-24-2010, 01:39 PM
Yes it is weak, I agree.
The producers said it wasn't about the mythology, that was left up to personal interpretation by what you believe. They said the show was about character development. That's why the ending is dumb and will kill the impact of the show. It wasn't memorable and will make the rest of the show garbage like the sopranos are now.
"Leaving it up to personal interpretation" = Too lazy to create a back-story for the island's complete history, how it got its powers, the physics/metaphysics involved, etc.
Switch
05-24-2010, 03:21 PM
I agree with Homeslice on both counts.
This show was stupid from the get go.
SMOKE MONSTERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
goof2
05-24-2010, 04:42 PM
"Leaving it up to personal interpretation" = Too lazy to create a back-story for the island's complete history, how it got its powers, the physics/metaphysics involved, etc.
I agree. I also also think this last season was designed to create a new mystery that could be explained in the finale as a distraction from all the mysteries they couldn't or didn't bother to explain.
Papa_Complex
05-25-2010, 08:27 AM
As I said, I watched the first couple seasons, then got tired of not receiving any answers.
I prefer shows that are based on a book that was written in advance.....Not shows where the writers have no idea what's going to happen, and make shit up as they go along.
They lost me about a season and a half back. I couldn't be bothered to figure out what night it was going to be on, THAT week, and simply lost interest.
I do agree with you regarding shows that know where they are going from the beginning. 'Flash Forward' seems to be one of those. 'Babylon 5' knew where it was going, from day 1, and stayed the course despite having their soap opera quality cast members start asking for more money than the producers could pay. 'Lost' writers got all into a panic when they were cancelled, shortened the storyline, then had to recover when they got an additional season.
Lost's problem was it got the audience and then started to go into artsy mode. It lost a lot of it's audience because it kept trying to pull off the artsy crap when it had a good storyline for the mythology part of it. In the end they stuck with the artsy bullshit and never went into the potential they had for the backstory.
pauldun170
05-25-2010, 09:57 AM
Lost's problem was it got the audience and then started to go into artsy mode. It lost a lot of it's audience because it kept trying to pull off the artsy crap when it had a good storyline for the mythology part of it. In the end they stuck with the artsy bullshit and never went into the potential they had for the backstory.
Damn queers and their lab coats
Sixxxxer
05-25-2010, 11:49 AM
I'm sure that I'm in the minority here...but...I've never watched the show...and reading this thread does nothing to make me interested in ever watching it. It sounds dumb as hell. :lmao:
I never watched a single second of it ever.
So i'm with ya :lol
Amber Lamps
05-25-2010, 02:28 PM
I never watched a single second of it ever.
So i'm with ya :lol
Me either, heck I've only ever seen a commercial or two... I have no idea what it's about beyond an island, an airplane crash and one of the hobbits from Lord of the Rings...:lol:
goof2
05-25-2010, 02:35 PM
'Lost' writers got all into a panic when they were cancelled, shortened the storyline, then had to recover when they got an additional season.
I think your information is off. As I remember it back in 2007 ABC and the creators of the show agreed to do 3 more seasons. The creators only wanted to do 2 more but ABC wanted the additional season. I also don't ever remember the show being canceled at any point over the 6 seasons. The writers had 3 years to map out how they wanted the show to end. If ABC had jerked them around it would have changed my expectations for the finale but I don't remember that happening.:idk:
EpyonXero
05-25-2010, 10:23 PM
I started watching it to connect with my then boyfriend's teenage sister and it was painful. I hate hour long tv shows and I hate dramas. I thought I'd give it a shot to have something to talk to my now sister in law, but I found out me making fun of the show was not making her hate me less. At all. Go figure. :lol:
Which proves why we dont see many well written, serial dramas on American TV. People dont want to pay attention to the story line or get involved in character development. They want easy to grasp/shallow characters with one line jokes and bright colors in easy to swallow 30 minute doses.
EpyonXero
05-25-2010, 10:32 PM
I like the show. The finale was good but not great, but when was the last time a good, long running series had a finale that seemed to be "right"? Sopranos? Seinfeld? X-Files?
Im not sure you can end a show properly unless you have your finale in mind before you even start.
HurricaneHeather
05-25-2010, 10:41 PM
Which proves why we dont see many well written, serial dramas on American TV. People dont want to pay attention to the story line or get involved in character development. They want easy to grasp/shallow characters with one line jokes and bright colors in easy to swallow 30 minute doses.
:lmao:
Sorry, but my motto is: I don't need reality tv, I have my own life and I don't need to watch drama because I have enough of my own in real life.
TV is just not that important to me. :shrug:
I think that I am in the minority when it comes to this kind of thing. I could be wrong.
They lost me about a season and a half back. I couldn't be bothered to figure out what night it was going to be on, THAT week, and simply lost interest.
I do agree with you regarding shows that know where they are going from the beginning. 'Flash Forward' seems to be one of those. 'Babylon 5' knew where it was going, from day 1, and stayed the course despite having their soap opera quality cast members start asking for more money than the producers could pay. 'Lost' writers got all into a panic when they were cancelled, shortened the storyline, then had to recover when they got an additional season.
Flash forward changed direction 2 times in the first season with different writing and directing staff, they had no clue where they were going with that show, and it doesnt matter because they only got this one season there is no next season for them. Babylon 5 was similar but they did a much better job at fixing any issues they had after the first season.
marko138
05-26-2010, 07:46 AM
24's finale was a little weak too.
Papa_Complex
05-26-2010, 08:13 AM
Flash forward changed direction 2 times in the first season with different writing and directing staff, they had no clue where they were going with that show, and it doesnt matter because they only got this one season there is no next season for them. Babylon 5 was similar but they did a much better job at fixing any issues they had after the first season.
Interesting. I took the direction changes to be plot twists, since they seemed to mesh fairly well. Far better that M. Night "What a Twist!" Shyamalan's stuff.
LeeNetworX
05-26-2010, 12:10 PM
I like the show. The finale was good but not great, but when was the last time a good, long running series had a finale that seemed to be "right"? Sopranos? Seinfeld? X-Files?
Im not sure you can end a show properly unless you have your finale in mind before you even start.
I agree. I don't always want to watch something where everything is laid out for me - sometimes I enjoy using my imagination to answer the questions.
LeeNetworX
05-26-2010, 12:19 PM
no, they had a sideways flash theme this season to an alternate reality that was a what if the island was at the bottom of the ocean and no one was impacted by it. It turned out they were already dead in this reality and it was a kinda of purgatory until they all died and met up and reminded each other of their time on the island and then most of them passed over to the other side.
I thought that concept was neat as well. What pissed me off is you never found out the purpose of the island or the egyptian shit there. If it was a cork to prevent the darkness from getting off the island, what about before smoke man came to be before jacob threw him into the hole. There was no darkness there before that... It never really explained shit about the island, it was clusterfuck of randomness with no explanation.
"The Cork" wasn't there to prevent the darkness (the spirit of Jacob's unnamed brother) from getting off the island, that job was up to Jacob and the candidates. It's obvious that the "cork room" was fashioned by someone, probably the Egyptians or Mayans that visited the island or an even earlier civiliazation. It seemed to me that the whole system of the water and channels and regulator (not a cork, it didn't completely block the hold) and whatnot was created to regulate or harness the earth energy (or spiritual energy) flowing throughout the island.
When Desmond removed the regulator, the energy/power of the island was disrupted/off - this is why not-Locke was vulnerable and why he was "killed with one shot" even though the shot didn't kill him, the fall off the cliff did. I don't see why this is so hard to grasp. But this is all my interpretation.
So how is it better if the writers were to come out and say everything? No matter how many answers you get, you'll still be like a 4 year old asking why the sky is blue and gets and answer and then asks 'why?' again.
"The Cork" wasn't there to prevent the darkness (the spirit of Jacob's unnamed brother) from getting off the island, that job was up to Jacob and the candidates.
Did you miss the episode where Jacob tells Richard about the cork and the wine? Jacob didn't keep his brother on the island, he was there to keep the cork room safe. His brother couldn't leave because of the island's power. Jacob was there to protect the island.
LeeNetworX
05-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Did you miss the episode where Jacob tells Richard about the cork and the wine? Jacob didn't keep his brother on the island, he was there to keep the cork room safe. His brother couldn't leave because of the island's power. Jacob was there to protect the island.
When was that? This season? I may have missed that scene - I don't recall that. Damnit, now I need to find that episode online and see what I missed.
That was one of the last episodes of this season where they go through the history of Richard. A lot of the protection stuff of the island goes back to the episode where Jacob turns his brother into the smoke monster.
goof2
05-26-2010, 01:15 PM
Another issue I had with the story is Locke told Sayid to kill Desmond after Locke had thrown Desmond down the well. Locke wanting Desmond dead makes no sense since Desmond is the only one who can remove the "cork" preventing Locke from leaving the island. If Sayid had killed Desmond there would be no way for Locke to leave the island.
LeeNetworX
05-26-2010, 01:25 PM
Flash forward changed direction 2 times in the first season with different writing and directing staff, they had no clue where they were going with that show, and it doesnt matter because they only got this one season there is no next season for them.
That sucks - I like that show. This is the first I've heard of it being cancelled. Then I guess tomorrow's season finale will have to wrap it all up?
It's annoying when an original show like this one gets cancelled and a rehash like "V" makes it.
pauldun170
05-26-2010, 01:25 PM
Another issue I had with the story is Locke told Sayid to kill Desmond after Locke had thrown Desmond down the well. Locke wanting Desmond dead makes no sense since Desmond is the only one who can remove the "cork" preventing Locke from leaving the island. If Sayid had killed Desmond there would be no way for Locke to leave the island.
Locke wanted to kill Desmond when he found out Widmore brought him to the island. He hadn't any clue of Desmonds talent. (Find out when = kill)
whe Widmore told him WHY, Locke wanted him alive. (Find out WHY = Not kill)
What Smokey was going to do if he managed to kill all the potential Jacobs was never really explained, besides leave the island. You would think the island's power would still hold him, he would have to get someone to destroy the island.
goof2
05-26-2010, 03:42 PM
Locke wanted to kill Desmond when he found out Widmore brought him to the island. He hadn't any clue of Desmonds talent. (Find out when = kill)
whe Widmore told him WHY, Locke wanted him alive. (Find out WHY = Not kill)
That's right, I had forgotten about that. Thanks.
Inferno
05-26-2010, 03:44 PM
If I was the smoke monster, why not become Jack or Sawyer and tap Kate's ASS? That's my question
LeeNetworX
05-26-2010, 03:45 PM
If I was the smoke monster, why not become Jack or Sawyer and tap Kate's ASS? That's my question
He can only take form of someone on the island who is dead.
Papa_Complex
05-26-2010, 03:49 PM
He can only take form of someone on the island who is dead.
And he didn't kill Sawyer or Jack? So..... you're saying that the smoke monster was gay.
And he didn't kill Sawyer or Jack? So..... you're saying that the smoke monster was gay.
The island's "rules" prevented him from killing candidates.
Inferno
05-26-2010, 04:08 PM
All I am saying if I were the smoke monster, in the words of David from the Lost Boys, "You're dead Meat!"
All I am saying if I were the smoke monster, in the words of David from the Lost Boys, "You're dead Meat!"
He pretty much did that to anyone he was allowed to kill, but he had mystical rules that prevented him from killing a ton of people.
EpyonXero
05-26-2010, 04:25 PM
Anybody else think a buddy cop show spinoff with Sawyer and the Asian guy might be pretty good? :lol:
Inferno
05-26-2010, 04:49 PM
He pretty much did that to anyone he was allowed to kill, but he had mystical rules that prevented him from killing a ton of people.
I know, I have all six seasons of Lost on my HD LOL
Inferno
05-26-2010, 04:50 PM
Anybody else think a buddy cop show spinoff with Sawyer and the Asian guy might be pretty good? :lol:
Sawyer and Miles, yep pretty funny they had Sawyer a cop in the sideways lol
I think Sawyer would be a good Roland Deschain from Galead
Homeslice
05-26-2010, 05:03 PM
The island's "rules" prevented him from killing candidates.
Candidates for what?
Candidates for what?
To be the next Jacob
Homeslice
05-26-2010, 05:25 PM
They never did explain the cable running up the beach, did they?
They never did explain the cable running up the beach, did they?
I think that's went out to the underwater Dharma station, Orca I think it was called?
Inferno
05-26-2010, 05:51 PM
It was the Hydra station, where Charlie died and Desmond found out that it was not Penny's boat
They never did explain the cable running up the beach, did they?
Sort of...not sure why there was a cable
Homeslice
05-26-2010, 05:54 PM
Oh OK those underground stations. See it's shit like that gets me interested, but after a couple seasons I had enough with how slowly they were providing answers.
Oh OK those underground stations. See it's shit like that gets me interested, but after a couple seasons I had enough with how slowly they were providing answers.
They never really provided them very well ever.
Inferno
05-26-2010, 06:47 PM
Oh OK those underground stations. See it's shit like that gets me interested, but after a couple seasons I had enough with how slowly they were providing answers.
Here it is IMO, the Dharma Iniciative knew about the Island, and sent scientist there in the '70's to learn/exploit the Island's treasures. This is where Juliet, Sawyer, Miles and Jin ended up when Ben moved the "lever" at the Island's light. They were stuck in the past...1974, and spent three years there. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Desmond, and Claire's baby came back and were named "the Oceanic Six"
Meanwhile, at preasant time, Desmond got marooned on the Island because his dumbass wanted to impress Penny in an "Around the world sailing race". The result is he ends up on the Island and gets stuck in the "hatch" pushing a button every 108 minutes or the world will end.
The "hatch" was an anomoly Dharma tapped into, in the '70s'.
The "others" were there and did not want the Dharma to do this. They did and released the anomoly where Dharma had to build the "hatch"(where Desmond was for three years pushing that button).
When they were in the past, Jack decided to grab the Thermo nUCLEAR bOMB and blow the hatch up, thus ending everything on the Island from happening. All in all, the bomb goes off, but things go haywire. There is a sideways "reality" that is formed where Oceanic Flight 815 never crashed and there are other timelines...for instance, Swawyer and Miles are LAPD cops, Hurley is a multi-millionaire - philanthropist, ect
Ben immagrated to the "Others", and later on, the "others" killed all of the Dharma, due to the fact Ben's father was a scientist and an asswhole with Dharma and Ben pretty m uch said "Fuck You asswholes".
That is alot of info, I am done for now lol
When they were in the past, Jack decided to grab the Thermo nUCLEAR bOMB and blow the hatch up, thus ending everything on the Island from happening. All in all, the bomb goes off, but things go haywire. There is a sideways "reality" that is formed where Oceanic Flight 815 never crashed and there are other timelines...for instance, Swawyer and Miles are LAPD cops, Hurley is a multi-millionaire - philanthropist, ect
The sideways reality had nothing to do with the bomb. That reality was a completely different storyline. It was a waiting place til they all died and could "move on" together. Some are calling it a purgatory type place. The sideways reality was just an added trick to make you think it had to do with the bomb, but the two are completely unrelated.
The bomb going off was never really wrapped up. We are just left with the assumption that it always went off. They really did a poor job of the time jumping changes with the Ben story and such.
I don't know about you but I was shocked when they revealed that Kate was a dude.
Inferno
05-26-2010, 07:32 PM
I don't know about you but I was shocked when they revealed that Kate was a dude.
Ewww
EpyonXero
05-27-2010, 11:06 AM
Lost related fan art.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotmeteor/sets/72157615214095434/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3350650142_1af3b90ce7.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4624730646_1b1dcdfcfa.jpg
LeeNetworX
05-27-2010, 01:17 PM
Look for the post by C4Strife near the top:
http://digg.com/television/How_LOST_should_ve_ended_GIF
Found on lostmediamentions this is some guy from Bad Robot (the company that produced Lost) amazing post:
Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I've had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John's questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren't so pointless ...
First ...
The Island:
It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.
Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.
Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.
Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.
Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.
In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...
Now...
Sideways World:
Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.
The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.
It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.
How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.
But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.
They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).
A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.
But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.
For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.
In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.
Homeslice
05-27-2010, 01:20 PM
Here it is IMO, the Dharma Iniciative knew about the Island, and sent scientist there in the '70's to learn/exploit the Island's treasures. This is where Juliet, Sawyer, Miles and Jin ended up when Ben moved the "lever" at the Island's light. They were stuck in the past...1974, and spent three years there. Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Desmond, and Claire's baby came back and were named "the Oceanic Six"
Meanwhile, at preasant time, Desmond got marooned on the Island because his dumbass wanted to impress Penny in an "Around the world sailing race". The result is he ends up on the Island and gets stuck in the "hatch" pushing a button every 108 minutes or the world will end.
The "hatch" was an anomoly Dharma tapped into, in the '70s'.
The "others" were there and did not want the Dharma to do this. They did and released the anomoly where Dharma had to build the "hatch"(where Desmond was for three years pushing that button).
When they were in the past, Jack decided to grab the Thermo nUCLEAR bOMB and blow the hatch up, thus ending everything on the Island from happening. All in all, the bomb goes off, but things go haywire. There is a sideways "reality" that is formed where Oceanic Flight 815 never crashed and there are other timelines...for instance, Swawyer and Miles are LAPD cops, Hurley is a multi-millionaire - philanthropist, ect
Ben immagrated to the "Others", and later on, the "others" killed all of the Dharma, due to the fact Ben's father was a scientist and an asswhole with Dharma and Ben pretty m uch said "Fuck You asswholes".
That is alot of info, I am done for now lol
Damn nee'a, good post
Inferno
05-27-2010, 01:24 PM
Me either, heck I've only ever seen a commercial or two... I have no idea what it's about beyond an island, an airplane crash and one of the hobbits from Lord of the Rings...:lol:
That was Charlie from Driveshaft "You are everbody" the heroin addicted baby stealer lol
TommyHotWheel
05-27-2010, 02:25 PM
I can wrap it all up in one simple package...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v738/TommyHotWheel/2nu3y14.gif?t=1274984681
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