Prison or Public School?

[Kaneman]

:lol:

Sometimes, like now, you just don't know whether to laugh or cry.

The school year is coming to a close and thus my son is ending his career as a Kindergartner. Thus far, I've been displeased by the way the school district handles....well....pretty much everything.

From their measly 15 minute recesses (gee, I can't figure out why all the kids are so hyper, they must have ADHD, someone call Pfizer!) to their mandatory SILENT lunches (also 15 min.) and their severe punishments for minor infractions of ludicrous rules (What's that boy, you talking to a friend on your lunch break? Well, say goodbye to Field Day motherfucker) well, the whole thing just seems wrong.

Now, with two weeks left to go we get a notice from the district regarding the dress code. A friendly reminder that mohawks are not allowed and an addendum that states all SPIKED HAIR will not be allowed and children will be sent home. :lol: Wow, I mean, I had spiked hair while working in a corporate office. Unreal.

I know we just had a big discussion on home schooling vs. public schooling and the purposes of socialization and so forth but I gotta say....home school is looking better and better all the time.

[askmrjesus]

Silent lunches?

What are they, Monks?

JC

[papapoi]

what the heck is that school run by mother russia or china?

[Kaneman]

Silent lunches?

What are they, Monks?

JC

I don't understand the reasoning. In fact, I didn't even really believe my kid until I went up there to have lunch with him one day. They are not allowed to talk, at all, during lunch. I had to whisper to him and then look around to make sure we weren't going to get in trouble. :lol:

If their class is deemed to be talking the entire class gets their recess taken away. When the kids go out to recess the offending class has to walk around the perimeter of the playground in a single file line as their "exercise" for the 15 minute recess.

Yea, that's a great idea. Lets calm these kids down by making sure they are completely full of unreleased and bursting energy.

How is it that the absolute stupidest people in a community can be in charge of educating the rest?

[RACER X]

we heard about theses silent lunches and thought the same thing.

[Kaneman]

what the heck is that school run by mother russia or china?

:lol: No, Conservative Christians actually. :lol:

Welcome to my neck of Texas.

we heard about theses silent lunches and thought the same thing.

What else have you found out about home schooling so far? I may seriously make the switch next year.

[the chi]

Is it a Christian school? If so, it should be considered private.

I cant imagine a public school getting away with those kinds of rules. How horrible. That must be like a concentration camp.

If it is private, why dont you look at public? Not the best route, but definitely not prison. I grew up in N Texas and loved the public schools, but back then you were allowed to holler and yell and make a ruckus at recess.

[Kaneman]

Is it a Christian school? If so, it should be considered private.

I cant imagine a public school getting away with those kinds of rules. How horrible. That must be like a concentration camp.

If it is private, why dont you look at public? Not the best route, but definitely not prison. I grew up in N Texas and loved the public schools, but back then you were allowed to holler and yell and make a ruckus at recess.

No, this is just a plain jane public Texas school. We're in the Fort Worth area....and things are A LOT different in school then they were just 10 years ago. In fact, this is the face of the post-9/11 school district.

[the chi]

Are you serious?? Back then they had to fight to keep the prayer at the flag pole at our high school there were so many anti religion proponents.

[No Worries]

Conservative Christians? I went to a parochial elementary school run by Nuns. White shirt, blue tie, blue pants and black shoes every day. The girls wore white shirts, string ties, and blue, pleated jumpers. Pledge of Allegiance and prayers every morning.

Strict? Eight weeks of Boot Camp was a piece of cake compared to eight years of parochial school. Sister Rose in seventh grade was supposedly thrown out of the Marines for being too mean. I was a Baby-Boomer, so we had over 120 kids in fourth grade, before they split us up. One Nun, who was about four-feet-tall, kept us all in line.

My mom wanted me to go to a parochial high school run by Brothers. I heard they were weirder and meaner than Nuns. Luckily, my dad took my side and let me go to public high school. Except for all the religious crap, the education in parochial school was great, so tough it out.

[Dave]

Wtf

[Kaneman]

Conservative Christians? I went to a parochial elementary school run by Nuns. White shirt, blue tie, blue pants and black shoes every day. The girls wore white shirts, string ties, and blue, pleated jumpers. Pledge of Allegiance and prayers every morning.

Strict? Eight weeks of Boot Camp was a piece of cake compared to eight years of parochial school. Sister Rose in seventh grade was supposedly thrown out of the Marines for being too mean. I was a Baby-Boomer, so we had over 120 kids in fourth grade, before they split us up. One Nun, who was about four-feet-tall, kept us all in line.

My mom wanted me to go to a parochial high school run by Brothers. I heard they were weirder and meaner than Nuns. Luckily, my dad took my side and let me go to public high school. Except for all the religious crap, the education in parochial school was great, so tough it out.

I shouldn't have made the Conservative Christians comment as it has little to no bearing on my issues with the school. I was just making a commentary on the actual Texas Board of Education.

And just because you did something doesn't mean I want to, or that I want my son to. :lol:

My main point in all this is that children behave much better when their physical needs are met during the day. But instead of making them exercise, or instead of actually allowing them to socialize, they just use severe punishments and drugs to keep the kids in line.

[Dave]

I shouldn't have made the Conservative Christians comment as it has little to no bearing on my issues with the school. I was just making a commentary on the actual Texas Board of Education.

And just because you did something doesn't mean I want to, or that I want my son to. :lol:

My main point in all this is that children behave much better when their physical needs are met during the day. But instead of making them exercise, or instead of actually allowing them to socialize, they just use severe punishments and drugs to keep the kids in line.

How's the quality of the teacher student blowjobs?

[Kaneman]

How's the quality of the teacher student blowjobs?

Haven't seen an attractive teacher yet at this school....and I don't encourage ugly blowjobs.

[the chi]

I'm just shocked its become so punishing and harsh. Recess was the best time of day and the teachers enjoyed it as well. And lunch? As long as you werent throwing food, you could change seats, talk to your neighbor and have a good old time. I cant imagine a roomful of silent 5-6 year olds, let alone not being allowed to let loose outside.

Have the parents met and tried to resolve whats going on?

[Kaneman]

I'm just shocked its become so punishing and harsh. Recess was the best time of day and the teachers enjoyed it as well. And lunch? As long as you werent throwing food, you could change seats, talk to your neighbor and have a good old time. I cant imagine a roomful of silent 5-6 year olds, let alone not being allowed to let loose outside.

Have the parents met and tried to resolve whats going on?

I've written so many letters and had so many talks with the principal and school I've lost count. They hate me so much up there now...and I've never so much as raised my voice or looked someone in the eye for too long. :lol:

As far as the other parents, they're part of the general population of the United States of America. And gen pop is far more concerned with other things. This is the new status quo and there's not a lot of point in fighting it. Exercise isn't coming back to school anytime soon.

Don't get me wrong, my boy eats like a grown man and is built like a lil' Hercules. But even with all the exercise we give him, and all that he gets from Jiu Jitsu...he still needs some stimulation during the day. As do ALL children that aren't wheelchair ridden.

[the chi]

Im an adult and if I dont get out of my office at least once during the day I become very tempted to bite someone, I cant imagine how little ones do it.

If thats how they treat the children, no wonder we hear all this crap about ADHD, etc. They are going stir freaking crazy!

[Kaneman]

Im an adult and if I dont get out of my office at least once during the day I become very tempted to bite someone, I cant imagine how little ones do it.

If thats how they treat the children, no wonder we hear all this crap about ADHD, etc. They are going stir freaking crazy!

Yes, that's exactly right. They take away the exercise and then when the kids start going stir crazy they recommend you put them on Methamphetamine so they can focus.

It sounds so insane, but its going on right now in schools nationwide.

My kiddo comes home with a red mark pretty much every other day. He's always in trouble for talking or moving around or whatever. While I'm very careful not to justify his actions to him, I usually don't allow his punishment to carry over to the home. But in essence the school is taking a good boy, making him super hyper, and then telling him he's a bad kid.

He placed second in his first Jiu Jitsu tournament last weekend, he told his friends and they called him a liar. So I let him take his medals to school. The teacher, while not banning him from having the medals, made it clear that a kid who's trained in the art of choking brings a tone of fear among the staff. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Homeslice]

lol @ Texas

[sherri_chickie]

Sounds like the retarded school I worked at in Texas, only they only got recess on days they did not get Gym class.

And then they wondered why the kids had behavior problems.. shesh..

Here the kids get 15 min in the morning at 10:15 and then at lunch, which they eat in their class for 20 minutes, ( allowed to talk btw) they go outside for another 30 to play and run around and scream and generally be a kid.

The whole idea of no recess, or little recess has to do with the idea of using those extra 15 minutes to teach. ( to kids who are antsy and not paying attention anyhow..)

[askmrjesus]

I cant imagine a roomful of silent 5-6 year olds, let alone not being allowed to let loose outside.



I can.

http://deadsilence.wordpress.com/2006/08/27/texas-serial-killers/

JC

[the chi]

Yeah. Cuz a 5-6 year old is going to jump on an adult and attempt to strangle them. Riiiiight. I know there are some tough kids out there, and crazy ones too, but any teacher who automatically assumes the kid will do wrong with the lessons and cant applaud their student for an accomplishment like that shouldnt be teaching. Just saying.

I cant believe that of all places, this is happening in Texas. It's embarassing.

:lol: @ AMJ. Truth.

[Kaneman]

I cant believe that of all places, this is happening in Texas. It's embarassing.


Texas isn't all its cracked up to be freedom-wise. There are some great things about it...but here, as with everyone else, there is a severe lack of logical thought.

[Trip]

private school if you can afford it, public school blows goats.

[Kaneman]

private school if you can afford it, public school blows goats.

All the local Private schools are War Room material.

[the chi]

Damn, I may have to opt for home schooling if I ever get around to procreating.

[Trip]

Home school kids are fucking weird, you need some social interaction with your own peers in an educational environment.

[Kaneman]

Home school kids are fucking weird, you need some social interaction with your own peers in an educational environment.

I agree...its why I'm going back and forth over this. 1-hour a night in Jiu Jitsu or soccer or football or whatever isn't going to be enough.

[Rider]

Depends on the school district. The public schools my kids go to get far better marks than ANY other private school in the area. The only reason to have your kid go private here is you are either extremely religious or your kids have no coping skills and need constant attention from the staff. Class sizes in private school are smaller but where my kids go, only 23 kids max per class so it isn't bad.

Tigger can tell you, the school district my kids are in is pretty much like a private school but without the religious teachings and the tuition but you pretty much pay a high tuition anyway in the form of high property taxes.

[Trip]

Depends on the school district. The public schools my kids go to get far better marks than ANY other private school in the area. The only reason to have your kid go private here is you are either extremely religious or your kids have no coping skills and need constant attention from the staff. Class sizes in private school are smaller but where my kids go, only 23 kids max per class so it isn't bad.

Tigger can tell you, the school district my kids are in is pretty much like a private school but without the religious teachings and the tuition but you pretty much pay a high tuition anyway in the form of high property taxes.

I know exactly what type of public school your kid goes to, because I got placed in one of those by my parents. It's not what it's cracked up to be, but the keeping up with the jones' parents sure cream their pants about them.

Every city has that one school district you can find the worst human beings on earth, it's called Farragut in Knoxville.

[the chi]

Home school kids are fucking weird, you need some social interaction with your own peers in an educational environment.

Hello there pot...meet kettle.

:lol: I dont disagree, they can be very odd, but properly socialized they are great, good functioning members of society. There are all kinds of play dates and groups that you can get kids into as well as things like marshal arts and sports that would do it.

[Trip]

Hello there pot...meet kettle.

:lol: I dont disagree, they can be very odd, but properly socialized they are great, good functioning members of society. There are all kinds of play dates and groups that you can get kids into as well as things like marshal arts and sports that would do it.

You have no room to talk Miss LOTR tattoo. :lol:

[azoomm]

Hello there pot...meet kettle.

:lol: I dont disagree, they can be very odd, but properly socialized they are great, good functioning members of society. There are all kinds of play dates and groups that you can get kids into as well as things like marshal arts and sports that would do it.

Home school kids are a direct product of their environment. My older sister is socially retarded, and so her home schooled kids are socially retarded. Josh, your home schooled kids wouldn't be so socially retarded...

[the chi]

You have no room to talk Miss LOTR tattoo. :lol:

I've still got nothing on you Mr. Engineer.

[Homeslice]

All the local Private schools are War Room material.

:lol

[the chi]

Home school kids are a direct product of their environment. My older sister is socially retarded, and so her home schooled kids are socially retarded. Josh, your home schooled kids wouldn't be so socially retarded...

Very true.

[Trip]

I've still got nothing on you Mr. Engineer.

I was different in k-12 school. I was a drunk lacrosse player in high school that never did homework and made C's without studying anything. I never tried before I went to college. I hated public school.

[Kaneman]

Home school kids are a direct product of their environment. My older sister is socially retarded, and so her home schooled kids are socially retarded. Josh, your home schooled kids wouldn't be so socially retarded...

But 8 hours of socialization a day vs. the hour or so he would get in sports or martial arts while being home schooled....its a big difference.

Granted, if they're not even allowed to talk at lunch how much socialization are they really getting. I keep picturing the kids walking into the meat grinder...

Educationally I know he would be so much more advanced if home schooled, but I'm not sure that he would be happier.

http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr198/Na_Ji_95/pink-floyd-the-wall.jpg

[Dave]

You have no room to talk Miss LOTR tattoo. :lol:

Filthy hobbitses

[the chi]

I agree with you. No recess and no talking is not socialization at all. How much worse could home schooling be? Take'em to the playground for an hour every day and they'd get more.

Elves dave, elves.

[azoomm]

I'm sure my daughters would be different if home schooled - but I'm a wee bit outgoing. I'm SURE I would be able to throw them into an environment that would give them social experience.

School is about an interaction experience. Home schooled kids need to be suplimented somewhere to create those interactions. That isn't necessarily with their peers - it's with elders without their parents as a direct daily buffer that may have more of an impact on their development. When that becomes less of a benefit than a bonus, it's time for you as a parent to evaluate and change.

[Dave]

I agree with you. No recess and no talking is not socialization at all. How much worse could home schooling be? Take'em to the playground for an hour every day and they'd get more.

Elves dave, elves.

Elves are supposed to be tall dear, funnier the other way ;)

[Trip]

I agree with you. No recess and no talking is not socialization at all. How much worse could home schooling be? Take'em to the playground for an hour every day and they'd get more.

Elves dave, elves.

Playground won't supplement team building skills in a learning environment. That's the most important and useful skill you pick up for school. About the only damn thing you use besides basic language and math.

Youre too short to be an elf. They are suppose to be taller than humans.

[Dave]

Playground won't supplement team building skills in a learning environment. That's the most important and useful skill you pick up for school. About the only damn thing you use besides basic language and math.

Youre too short to be an elf. They are suppose to be taller than humans.

Ftr I always thought she looked like a pixie, I don't think those are lotr cannon though

[Switch]

Home school kids are fucking weird, you need some social interaction with your own peers in an educational environment.

Truth.

If the schools are like this when I have kids, holy shit, the principal is gonna hate me.

[askmrjesus]

Playground won't supplement team building skills in a learning environment.

Ooooh! Can we do that thing where you lean backwards and people catch you?

I love that one.

JC

[the chi]

:lol: One of my various nicknames is Tink...however you guys have your LOTR obviously wrong. While the movie version only showed tall elves, Tolkien actually created a variety of elven races, including some very tiny and petite ones...hobbits are NOT elves. Thats a whole other discussion however. :wink:

Sports could fill in the team work side of socialization...

[azoomm]

ooooh! Can we do that thing where you lean backwards and people catch you?

I love that one.

Jc

trustfall!!

[Trip]

Sports could fill in the team work side of socialization...

Not for problem solving and a lot of mental aspects. The coaches do most of that for you.

Ooooh! Can we do that thing where you lean backwards and people catch you?

I love that one.

JC

I prefer when they take team meetings to ropes/obstacle courses.

[Trip]

however you guys have your LOTR obviously wrong. While the movie version only showed tall elves, Tolkien actually created a variety of elven races, including some very tiny and petite ones....

Oh I have made it through the Silmarillion (that was a fucking nightmare), I wasn't refering to the movie adaptation of them. A lot of that shit can be attributed to his money hungry son Christopher. Just be glad we don't call you a dwarf, take your hobbitt title and be happy. :lol:

[Switch]

:lol: One of my various nicknames is Tink...however you guys have your LOTR obviously wrong. While the movie version only showed tall elves, Tolkien actually created a variety of elven races, including some very tiny and petite ones...hobbits are NOT elves. Thats a whole other discussion however. :wink:

Sports could fill in the team work
side of socialization...

You're so gay sometimes

[the chi]

TS, Dont hate cuz you cant be one of the cool kids. Perhaps you forgot that I really dont care what you think of me...yep, that must be it.

Hobbitt is not acceptable, I dont have to shave my feet. Altho we could reasonably say that a few of you guys qualify. :lol:

[Switch]

If being cool means being a LOTR fan, then, well that's pretty gay.

[Trip]

Hobbitt is not acceptable, I dont have to shave my feet. Altho we could reasonably say that a few of you guys qualify. :lol:

ok ok, you can be an elf, but not the tolkien variety. You get to be the keebler variety. LOL

[Dave]

:lol: One of my various nicknames is Tink...however you guys have your LOTR obviously wrong. While the movie version only showed tall elves, Tolkien actually created a variety of elven races, including some very tiny and petite ones...hobbits are NOT elves. Thats a whole other discussion however. :wink:

Sports could fill in the team work side of socialization...

In my defense I don't recall reading the books, nor have I seen the ink in question. I did know hobbits aren't elves. I simply saw a good opportunity to kid you on your altitude deficiency :lol:

[the chi]

:lol: Awesome. I love you guys.

So, back to the school thing...

[wildchild]

the only good thing that comes to mind regarding public school is "my son is no longer in one" he graduated and I was very glad to be rid of that whole system in my life.
Wait until he gets in junior high and even worse high school. If you think the politics of a corp office are bad you won't believe the BS in the schools.

[Kaneman]

the only good thing that comes to mind regarding public school is "my son is no longer in one" he graduated and I was very glad to be rid of that whole system in my life.
Wait until he gets in junior high and even worse high school. If you think the politics of a corp office are bad you won't believe the BS in the schools.

Man, what gets me is how much different it was since I was in there....and I'm class of 2000.

When I went we wore baseball caps, spiked our hair, got into fist fights and even chewed some motherfucking gum now and then.

That kinda shit now will get you expelled.

[Riceaholic]

I know exactly what type of public school your kid goes to, because I got placed in one of those by my parents. It's not what it's cracked up to be, but the keeping up with the jones' parents sure cream their pants about them.

Every city has that one school district you can find the worst human beings on earth, it's called Farragut in Knoxville.

There's a Farragut here too in St. Pete. It's a private military school. It's a lot like what Kane is describing.

[racedoll]

Complete BS. I'm glad I don't have kids to worry about crap like this.

[wildchild]

Man, what gets me is how much different it was since I was in there....and I'm class of 2000.

When I went we wore baseball caps, spiked our hair, got into fist fights and even chewed some motherfucking gum now and then.

That kinda shit now will get you expelled.
when i went we wore buck knives on our belts, had rifles in our cars and could chew tobacco in auto shop. smoking was only allowed in the parking lot. things are so incredibly different now days. yes it was a country school where we did all those things.

my son did the mohawk for awhile, until his coach said lose it or off the wrestling team.

[NONE_too_SOFT]

I really feel bad for the kids you're describing.

When i was in school i could plaster my wall end to end with pink slips (detentions), but they were (usually) for harmless stuff like drawing on the walls or sleeping in class or blowing up condoms in the courtyard. i remember my saturdays in highschool were often spent in the cafeteria of my highschool until around 11:30.


uh, yea. A.D.D. *raises hand*...


as if it wasnt obvious.