AUGUST?? The oil might leak until AUGUST?

[Avatard]

Wait, I'm no engineer. Top kill? Junk shot? I dunno shit about 'em.

I do think one thing though:

Wouldn't a nice explosive shot down the hole essentially "liquefy" the sea floor in that area momentarily, and then it would all immediately re-settle due to gravity and water pressure, and seal this shit right up?

Why can't the Navy aim something straight down the throat of this thing?

[TommyHotWheel]

I dont think its that easy, its the pressure from the pocket of oil that is shooting it up through the pipe, I think, they have to close the pipe. Liquifying the seafloor would make it worse. They need to punp concrete down the pipe and cork it off till it hardens. I still wanna know why BP isn't shitting themselves? Why are we not rioting? Why are the conspiracy theorists not screaming bloody murder? When does the U.N. or our government step up and tell BP that they are paying 100% of the clean up and restitution? Why doesn't Barry seize BP? We should own that company right now.

[RACER X]

great idea. govornment oil, i bet competitors oil wells start blowing up........

[TommyHotWheel]

They stick their nose in and fuck everything else up. We will be driving Flintstone cars in no time.

[Homeslice]

The average American doesn't care. Consider how many think it's OK to dump their coolant into the storm drain, put batteries into the regular trash, or throw cigarette butts out the window.

[VatorMan]

Need to quit calling it BP and call it British Petroleum. Why aren't we requiring the friggen Limeys fix their shit like everyone want us to fix our shit.

[marko138]

It's all bullshit. The whole fucking situation. Total bullshit. Fuck BP. By August the entire ocean system will be fucked.

[RACER X]

so who's gonna stop driving cars to show BP we don't need them!!!!

[azoomm]

*sigh*

[Kaneman]

It's all bullshit. The whole fucking situation. Total bullshit. Fuck BP. By August the entire ocean system will be fucked.

Nah, its all natural man, oil comes from the earth and seeps into the ocean all the time, so its ok. Actually, all that oil just helps marinade the shrimp for us. Mmmmmm!

I still wanna know why BP isn't shitting themselves? Why are we not rioting? Why are the conspiracy theorists not screaming bloody murder? When does the U.N. or our government step up and tell BP that they are paying 100% of the clean up and restitution? Why doesn't Barry seize BP? We should own that company right now.

Why? Because the production of Jersey Shore has not been affected by this oil spill so it is not culturally relevant.

[Particle Man]

*sigh*

Agreed.

[KSGregman]

Why? Because the production of Jersey Shore has not been affected by this oil spill so it is not culturally relevant.

Agreed. :td:

[smileyman]

Hate to be working on that in Aug and Sept during hurricane season...

[dReWpY]

Honestly the marine enviroment might benifit from this

[Gas Man]

Honestly the marine enviroment might benifit from this
Please enlighten us... I know you study this shit.

I know I will not buy any BP products anymore.

I also wonder, if Ford's will bail away from BP. For years their gas caps have said "BP gasoline's recommended".

[azoomm]

Please enlighten us... I know you study this shit.

I know I will not buy any BP products anymore.

I also wonder, if Ford's will bail away from BP. For years their gas caps have said "BP gasoline's recommended".

Awesome.

You know, BP isn't the big ugly evil here... right? It's oil itself. So, boycotting BP isn't going to do you, or anyone else any good. It certainly won't help the cleanup efforts or lawsuits or government shutdown out there.

Go ahead and boycott. I suppose you are going to stop using all materials that oil makes as well - because that's as much of their business as gas in the pumps. But, you knew that... right? I bet you can't walk ten paces in your house without touching something that BP's drill had something to do with.

/grumble grumble

[Amber Lamps]

Awesome.

You know, BP isn't the big ugly evil here... right? It's oil itself. So, boycotting BP isn't going to do you, or anyone else any good. It certainly won't help the cleanup efforts or lawsuits or government shutdown out there.

Go ahead and boycott. I suppose you are going to stop using all materials that oil makes as well - because that's as much of their business as gas in the pumps. But, you knew that... right? I bet you can't walk ten paces in your house without touching something that BP's drill had something to do with.

/grumble grumble

Not if they have carpet...:lol:

[Particle Man]

Honestly the marine enviroment might benifit from this

Please enlighten us... I know you study this shit.


it'll keep people the f*ck away from beaches and crap, that's for sure!

[RACER X]

Awesome.

You know, BP isn't the big ugly evil here... right? It's oil itself. So, boycotting BP isn't going to do you, or anyone else any good. It certainly won't help the cleanup efforts or lawsuits or government shutdown out there.

Go ahead and boycott. I suppose you are going to stop using all materials that oil makes as well - because that's as much of their business as gas in the pumps. But, you knew that... right? I bet you can't walk ten paces in your house without touching something that BP's drill had something to do with.

/grumble grumble

right, quit touching that keyboard, plastic cup, using your toothbrush! better get in a bubble.....oh noez.......the bubble is made from a petr. biproduct...........what r u gonna do..........:lol

[Homeslice]

So let's not do anything........let's not hold anyone accountable. Politicians, businesspeople, inspectors........no one. So 5 years from now it happens again.

[VatorMan]

On another forum some people that are working on these rigs say they've been drilling this deep for years. That's the most damning thing right there. They've drilled past technology and haven't spent a dime to create the machines that can handle something like this.

[Rider]

Fuck the gas pumps, eventually I'll just be able to use the gulf as my own personal fuel station. :rockwoot:

[smileyman]

In Mother Russia we do not care where oil is produced, only that it keeps us warm. Pass the Stolichnaya Tovarich.

[marko138]

So let's not do anything........let's not hold anyone accountable. Politicians, businesspeople, inspectors........no one. So 5 years from now it happens again.

5 years from now this same well will still be spilling it's oil into what used to be our oceans.

[goof2]

So let's not do anything........let's not hold anyone accountable. Politicians, businesspeople, inspectors........no one. So 5 years from now it happens again.

Do you really think 1) that is what is going to happen and 2) boycotting BP makes a difference? BP and Transocean will be held accountable. The court cases will take years but eventually they will have to pay substantial cleanup costs, damages, and I suspect substantial fines. You are probably right about the politicians and inspectors though.

[azoomm]

Do you really think 1) that is what is going to happen and 2) boycotting BP makes a difference? BP and Transocean will be held accountable. The court cases will take years but eventually they will have to pay substantial cleanup costs, damages, and I suspect substantial fines. You are probably right about the politicians and inspectors though.

Here's what is REALLY curious to me. BP is owning up, they ARE paying, they ARE out there, they haven't once said "it's not our fault."

Maybe everyone is really confused because usually big business just points fingers at other people/business/government. I said it a long time ago, big oil is the ONLY industry that will throw money at a problem until it goes away. They are throwing money at it.

Gas-Man, what would you like to see them do that they aren't doing already?

[Particle Man]

Here's what is REALLY curious to me. BP is owning up, they ARE paying, they ARE out there, they haven't once said "it's not our fault."

Maybe everyone is really confused because usually big business just points fingers at other people/business/government. I said it a long time ago, big oil is the ONLY industry that will throw money at a problem until it goes away. They are throwing money at it.

Gas-Man, what would you like to see them do that they aren't doing already?

I just know they're going to end up passing along the cost of the containment and cleanup to the consumer and, in the end, they'll end up with the same profit margins as previous years (hell, they'll probably end up making money off this whole thing - they'll go all "Here are alternatives to oil" and make a mint).

[Homeslice]

Funny, all I see in the newspapers is how they're making excuses about it not being their rig........And hiding information about how much oil is coming out......Making estimates on the low end :rolleyes:

Do some of you work for this company or something? :scratch:

Paying fines is one thing.......Big deal.........That mainly hurts the shareholders. I would rather see a few dozen people get shit-canned (in both business and gov't).

[azoomm]

I just know they're going to end up passing along the cost of the containment and cleanup to the consumer and, in the end, they'll end up with the same profit margins as previous years (hell, they'll probably end up making money off this whole thing - they'll go all "Here are alternatives to oil" and make a mint).

Right, and as a business in a consumer driven society how is that their fault? Doesn't every business do that to survive? Mind you, I'm not defending them [specifically] it's just how business works.

If you had an unpredicted accident in a company you own, wouldn't you raise prices to then recoup the loss? It sucks, and it will probably hurt the pocketbook, I'm not looking forward to that.

[azoomm]

Funny, all I see in the newspapers is how they're making excuses about it not being their rig, and hiding information about how much oil is coming out.

Do some of you work for this company or something? :scratch:

Paying fines is one thing.....Big deal.........That mainly hurts the shareholders. Firing a few people would be more appropriate IMO.

My husband is with another company that is contracted by BP. Much like TransOcean was contracted by BP.

It wasn't their rig. It was TransOcean's.

[pauldun170]

http://despair.com/bp.html

[Sixxxxer]

For having such a catastrophe in the Gulf, Gas prices have been steadliy dropping as of late...And From what I can tell they Should continue to drop...Even with this incident in the Gulf.

The middle east has such a backstock of oil then dunno wtf to do with themselves.

As far as boycotting...IT wont do anything Azoom's right...and not because of all that mumble jumble she typed up...It simply wont affect the company as a whole because regardless of whats going on in the gulf people STILL need fuel.

Hey gas, if you ran out of gas and rolled into a BP would you not get gas?

[Dave]

For having such a catastrophe in the Gulf, Gas prices have been steadliy dropping as of late...And From what I can tell they Should continue to drop...Even with this incident in the Gulf.

The middle east has such a backstock of oil then dunno wtf to do with themselves.

As far as boycotting...IT wont do anything Azoom's right...and not because of all that mumble jumble she typed up...It simply wont affect the company as a whole because regardless of whats going on in the gulf people STILL need fuel.

Hey gas, if you ran out of gas and rolled into a BP would you not get gas?

I specifically went to bp yesterday :lol:

[z06boy]

what would you like to see them do that they aren't doing already?

Oh I don't know...maybe stop the leak and clean up all of the oil pumped into the Gulf and also protect the coast from the advancement of the oil. :idk:

How ? I don't know because I didn't build the well and it's not my oil. I didn't cause the problem...they did.

No contingency plan for something like this...interesting. They don't even know what caused it do they ? That's also real comforting.

[pauldun170]

New footage

[dReWpY]

it'll keep people the f*ck away from beaches and crap, that's for sure!

this, the initial death toll will be high, but the complete press scare and doom and gloom will significantly reduce recreational business and commercial fishing pressures. ( i am not saying that its not a horrible situation and that it truly is not being given the proper amount of news coverage)
Much like the exxon oil spill, the "theory that less is more" is that the spill would of been left alone it would of been better then all of the anthropogenic "rehabilitation" that the celebrities were doing. all of this amounted to a increased human foot print on the area when the news crews, celebs and yes researchers that went up there, in boats, helicopters and what not. The amount of oil they cleaned was less then the impact of their presence of being there. Now since the spill happened in the gulf coast were it is not as pristine as the AK spill that throws some more cogs in the machine that would need to be considered. like what would be considered a rehabilitated gulf coast and what would we compare it to? is there a referance site that would allow comparasions. I would suggest that the oil spill be capped off and then section off all of the area that has been affected, turn it into a superfund site and wildlife sanctuary.

[Gas Man]

Zoom... I'm well aware what all is made from crude. Probably 80% of what I'm typing on is from crude oil. Heck, even the history channel had a real nice documentary on it.

What should they have done? How about the $5million cap stop safety device on that pipe? you know, the one they didn't put on. I'm sick and tired of hearing how the budget dictates over all else. If safety is #1 then budget should effect it. Budget couldn't be anything beyond #2 to safety.

Trust me, I have this debate at my company.

Oh and BP is one of my customers. I deal with their company every single day at work.

[Homeslice]

What should they have done? How about the $5million cap stop safety device on that pipe? you know, the one they didn't put on. I'm sick and tired of hearing how the budget dictates over all else. If safety is #1 then budget should effect it. Budget couldn't be anything beyond #2 to safety.


They're too busy paying for full-page ads in the Wall Street Journal trying to convince people they're doing the right thing. Wonder how much yesterday's ad cost, a cool million at least?

[jtemple]

The one thing that bothers me about this is that there was no backup plan, should an accident like this happen. Of all the offshore rigs owned by all the different oil companies in the world, not one of them has a way to fix an accident like this? Unbelievable. Let's hope everyone at least learns something from this and has some sort of emergency plan in place, with the proper gear staged nearby, should it happen again.

[goof2]

The one thing that bothers me about this is that there was no backup plan, should an accident like this happen. Of all the offshore rigs owned by all the different oil companies in the world, not one of them has a way to fix an accident like this? Unbelievable. Let's hope everyone at least learns something from this and has some sort of emergency plan in place, with the proper gear staged nearby, should it happen again.

There was a leak in the Gulf of Mexico 30 years ago that was remarkably similar to this accident. It took around 10 months to plug. It appears nobody really learned much of anything from that. I expect a lot of "closing the barn door after the cows escape" to happen for a while. Eventually hubris will overtake diligence and something similar will happen again.

They're too busy paying for full-page ads in the Wall Street Journal trying to convince people they're doing the right thing. Wonder how much yesterday's ad cost, a cool million at least?

What's the difference at this point? The longer this goes on the less likely it is that BP will be able to continue in their current form. It would be throwing good money after bad but I doubt any of their money in America will be "good" after the lawsuits are said and done.

[Apoc]

Wait, I'm no engineer. Top kill? Junk shot? I dunno shit about 'em.

I do think one thing though:

Wouldn't a nice explosive shot down the hole essentially "liquefy" the sea floor in that area momentarily, and then it would all immediately re-settle due to gravity and water pressure, and seal this shit right up?

Why can't the Navy aim something straight down the throat of this thing?

Too much pressure. They actually do use dynamite to kill wells, as long as they arent to deep. Deeper the well, the more pressure coming from it, and explosion inside of it would not seal a well that deep, and instead make it impossible to shut down at all.


Its a mess right now, but wait till the hurricanes get into that shit, and starts pushing it up the gulf stream, all over the the shores of the atlantic ocean.

Oh, and thats august assuming they actually hit the relief well on the first try, and dont end up off by even a little bit. This is a huge mess that is going to turn catastrophic. I cant imagine how much marine life has died because of this.

[Flexin]

The one thing that bothers me about this is that there was no backup plan, should an accident like this happen. Of all the offshore rigs owned by all the different oil companies in the world, not one of them has a way to fix an accident like this? Unbelievable. Let's hope everyone at least learns something from this and has some sort of emergency plan in place, with the proper gear staged nearby, should it happen again.

I agree. The should be gear no more then 2 days away from drilling sites. How many rigs are there in the Gulf? They should have a way to stop pretty much any leak within days of it happening.

James

[Apoc]

I agree. The should be gear no more then 2 days away from drilling sites. How many rigs are there in the Gulf? They should have a way to stop pretty much any leak within days of it happening.

James


You dont just grab an oil platform and move it in a couple of days. Its easy to throw out ideas when you dont understand the scale of the operation.

Not defending BP, apparently they are a pretty shady company. But its not as simple as grabbing a rig and moving it where you want in a matter of days. I was actually suprised they said they could have the job done by August. Especially in the middle of hurricane season. I'd say August is the best case scenario.

[Flexin]

You dont just grab an oil platform and move it in a couple of days. Its easy to throw out ideas when you dont understand the scale of the operation.

Not defending BP, apparently they are a pretty shady company. But its not as simple as grabbing a rig and moving it where you want in a matter of days. I was actually suprised they said they could have the job done by August. Especially in the middle of hurricane season. I'd say August is the best case scenario.

I don't mean moving a rig. I mean having the equipment in place to handle things like this. They are guessing at how to stop the leak. They shouldn't be drilling at depths that they don't know how to work in.

And I do have a small idea on the scale of operation. They need to have a lot of pre planning done. That big ass steal condom that was built (that didn't work), should have been pre made, tested and ready to go when needed. They are fucking the ocean and the lives of many people.

James

[Apoc]

I don't mean moving a rig. I mean having the equipment in place to handle things like this. They are guessing at how to stop the leak. They shouldn't be drilling at depths that they don't know how to work in.

And I do have a small idea on the scale of operation. They need to have a lot of pre planning done. That big ass steal condom that was built (that didn't work), should have been pre made, tested and ready to go when needed. They are fucking the ocean and the lives of many people.

James

It was absolute freak circumstances from what I understand. A failsafe system failed. As I said in the last thread, BOP's have never failed before.

If they followed procedure, and it was an approved BOP, and it failed, then as far as im concerned, they did all they could do.

This is a catastrophic mess, and I think this is just the beginning of a much, much, much larger problem before this is all over. But the fact is, if BP adheres to its governments standards on offshore drilling, and used proper equipment in its wells, then the blame isnt really on them.

However, if it turns out they were using inadequate safety measures and equipment, then I hope they all rot in prison.

Im just saying, its easy to judge, but none of us know what actually happened, and who is really at fault. If they regularly test their BOP's, and they were always in working order, its hard to fault BP. Every other company in the world is using the same standards they are. Considering they are in the USA, their standards might even be higher than most countries.

[pauldun170]

I remember the old days when a thread title like this would result in dozens of Harley jokes.
Unfortunately, they are pretty well built nowadays so now its all "serious talk" in here.
lame

[goof2]

I remember the old days when a thread title like this would result in dozens of Harley jokes.
Unfortunately, they are pretty well built nowadays so now its all "serious talk" in here.
lame

I would have though the guy with the 08 1000RR wouldn't want to poke the oil leak/consumption bear but I guess not.:wtfru::lol

Are you happy now?:lol:

[Particle Man]

:lol: nice

[pauldun170]

I would have though the guy with the 08 1000RR wouldn't want to poke the oil leak/consumption bear but I guess not.:wtfru::lol

Are you happy now?:lol:

First of all CBR1K don't leak oil they burn oil like a two stroke.
second... your a scumbag
:lol:

[goof2]

First of all CBR1K don't leak oil they burn oil like a two stroke.
second... your a scumbag
:lol:

That's why I put the /consumption, but you are right on both counts.:lol:

[Rangerscott]

I had diarrhea for four days one time. I thought it would never stop. At one point I considered sticking a tampon up my butt. I wonder if a gigantic tampon can be constructed and inserted into the ocean hole?

[Amorok]

It's amazing once you've spent a portion of your life shitting so much your asshole bleeds how it effects your thinking forever.

[Tmall]

PErsonal accountability is the name of the game on this board. Unless you can pay somebody to take the blame for you apparently..

[Homeslice]

Meanwhile BP is confiscating the clothing of allegedly "food poisoned" clean-up workers ..........and having them sign contracts saying they won't talk to the news media..... This on top of last week where they put a few hundred temporary workers on the ground right before Obama flew into town.......How convenient.

[Particle Man]

That same crew was removed right after Obama left iirc as well

[marko138]

That same crew was removed right after Obama left iirc as well
He's back today, so maybe more clean up workers will be dispatched. FUCK BP.

[Dave]

Cap is on

[Rider]

Cap is on

Still leaking.

[Apoc]

Still leaking.



No wonder, they sheared the pipe, instead of dislodging and sending down another diamond cutter. Idiots.

[marko138]

If there's one thing I can say with absolute certainty it's that BP is a bunch of fuck ups.



Oh...and if you're looking for a good laugh and you're on Twitter....follow BPGlobalPR. It's a mockery of BP's handling of this shit.

[goof2]

Still leaking.

It is supposed to. As I understand it the cap has some holes in it to make it easier to install. They will later close the holes.

[marko138]

It is supposed to. As I understand it the cap has some holes in it to make it easier to install. They will later close the holes.
How about sooner, rather than later.

[Apoc]

How about sooner, rather than later.

Its supposed to be done today. They itll take a while for it to clear and see what kinda job they did.

[EpyonXero]

BP may be really bad at keeping oil from pouring into the ocean but I have to say that theyve done a good job with the response website. The live video and the diagrams showing what they are doing are pretty interesting.

[Homeslice]

BP may be really bad at keeping oil from pouring into the ocean but I have to say that theyve done a good job with the response website. The live video and the diagrams showing what they are doing are pretty interesting.

Just shows you how much money they have to blow..........Plus full-page ads in several top newspapers

[Apoc]

Just shows you how much money they have to blow..........Plus full-page ads in several top newspapers

An oil company with money? Who knew?