Lesnar vs Carwin [Archive]

defector

07-01-2010, 05:01 PM

OneSickPsycho

07-01-2010, 05:10 PM

Carwin surely has the power to put anybody to sleep...

Although I suspect if Lesnar is back to full health, it may be too much for Carwin. Lesnar has crazy speed for a dude that big, and his strength is pretty unbelievable. He just mauls people, and wears them down. This is what I suspect will happen.

*Of course I never thought Werdum would sub Fedor, either*

1) I can agree with that, but all it takes is one with Carwin. Lesnar has not shown that striking ability.

2) Fedor was only a matter of time... He fought someone halfway decent for once and the outcome was as expected.

TYEster

07-01-2010, 05:16 PM

Looking forward to this fight, big fan of Lesnar and Carwin.

BTW Joe Rogan is awesome cause I think he's constantly baked.

defector

07-01-2010, 05:19 PM

1) I can agree with that, but all it takes is one with Carwin. Lesnar has not shown that striking ability.

2) Fedor was only a matter of time... He fought someone halfway decent for once and the outcome was as expected.

Yep, if Carwin connects it is likely over. I would love to see it, to see what kind of chin Lesnar has. It just isn't a given that he will. I am not sure he has KO power from his back. I think he will spend the majority of the fight trying to stop takedowns.
I don't think Lesnar has the ability to sub him, or hurt him striking. He could possibly get him on the ground and throw all kinds of punches, and get a ref stoppage.
Could be a five round snoozefest. The last few main events for the UFC have left me disappointed.

I'm not sure I consider Werdum a decent fighter anymore, but you are 100% correct. It was only a matter of time.

Over200

07-01-2010, 07:38 PM

My $$ is on Lesnar...A total wrecking machine..I'm also a Carwin fan too..He too is one bad mofo..but Lesnar is still building momentum on the way up to total dominance....I mean the guy has cement truck fists!..You need to be a Bad MoFo to even sustain something like that!

Kaneman

07-01-2010, 08:25 PM

Can't wait for it!

z06boy

07-02-2010, 08:58 AM

Pulling for Carwin but would bet on Lesner.

I didn't think Fedor would lose to Werdum...I did think he would lose if he ever made it to the UFC though.

OneSickPsycho

07-02-2010, 09:04 AM

Yep, if Carwin connects it is likely over. I would love to see it, to see what kind of chin Lesnar has. It just isn't a given that he will. I am not sure he has KO power from his back. I think he will spend the majority of the fight trying to stop takedowns.
I don't think Lesnar has the ability to sub him, or hurt him striking. He could possibly get him on the ground and throw all kinds of punches, and get a ref stoppage.
Could be a five round snoozefest. The last few main events for the UFC have left me disappointed.

I'm not sure I consider Werdum a decent fighter anymore, but you are 100% correct. It was only a matter of time.

I highly doubt a 5-round snooze fest... Even if it turns into a wrestling match, it still should be interesting... If there's anyone that can get back to their feet after a Lesnar takedown, I think Carwin's got the best chance simply from a strength and background standpoint.

defector

07-02-2010, 09:37 AM

I highly doubt a 5-round snooze fest... Even if it turns into a wrestling match, it still should be interesting... If there's anyone that can get back to their feet after a Lesnar takedown, I think Carwin's got the best chance simply from a strength and background standpoint.

I guess I don't think Carwin has the skillset for the ground. On the feet, there is no comparison. Carwin all day.

I will have to go back and watch some more Carwin vids. All I remember are nasty KO's.

OneSickPsycho

07-02-2010, 09:52 AM

I guess I don't think Carwin has the skillset for the ground. On the feet, there is no comparison. Carwin all day.

I will have to go back and watch some more Carwin vids. All I remember are nasty KO's.

Carwin - 2x NCAA Division II wrestling champion.

He's got a ground game, he just knocks people retarded before he has to use it.

z06boy

07-02-2010, 11:21 AM

http://mmazzacare.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/lesnar-carwin.jpg

OneSickPsycho

07-02-2010, 11:30 AM

http://mmazzacare.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/lesnar-carwin.jpg

Where the fuck did you get that? If it's true, totally awesome.

Kaneman

07-02-2010, 11:31 AM

Wow, Lesnar really has the physical advantage... I didn't expect his 40 times to be faster.

z06boy

07-02-2010, 11:41 AM

I DON'T know for a fact if these stats are true. I too was a bit surprised at Lesnar's stats. His speed and even his vertical jump. :whatwhat:

OneSickPsycho

07-02-2010, 11:43 AM

Wow, Lesnar really has the physical advantage... I didn't expect his 40 times to be faster.

Brock is fast as hell... that's one of the true advantages I see for him in this fight. As far as those stats are concerned... Upon a little research...

Carwin's circa 1998... Lesnar's circa 2004... I cannot attest for the accuracy of these dates, but if they are true... as true as the stats are... they are out-dated. They could be significantly different now and are therefore, useless.

defector

07-02-2010, 01:51 PM

I think Carwin has the striking advantage, and possibly cardio. Everything else, I would say advantage the the monster Viking.

TYEster

07-02-2010, 06:53 PM

What the hell kinda weight range is 265 to 310? Holy shit Brock...

Makes me wonder what weight he hit all those stats at and how he'll show up to the fight.

Rangerscott

07-02-2010, 07:18 PM

Joe Rogan is a dick and full of him self, but he is funny.

Sixxxxer

07-02-2010, 10:03 PM

What the hell kinda weight range is 265 to 310? Holy shit Brock...

Makes me wonder what weight he hit all those stats at and how he'll show up to the fight.

The second time he fought Mir they listed him at 285...He was Def well over 300 at that fight...He is a fucking monster.

I like lesnar, I like the cock go fuck yourself attitude he has and I like how he thinks he's the shit.

I hope he assfucks carwin and knocks him out in the first 30 seconds.

defector

07-02-2010, 10:07 PM

What the hell kinda weight range is 265 to 310? Holy shit Brock...

Makes me wonder what weight he hit all those stats at and how he'll show up to the fight.

I think he walks around @ 295, and cuts to 265. From what I understand, he puts about 15lbs back on within 24hrs.

TYEster

07-02-2010, 10:24 PM

I think he walks around @ 295, and cuts to 265. From what I understand, he puts about 15lbs back on within 24hrs.

That seems legit. I'm sure he re-hydrates well after weigh-in.

It's just crazy to be a fighter and have the weight range of a bodybuilder his size(45lbs diff)

TYEster

07-02-2010, 10:26 PM

The second time he fought Mir they listed him at 285...He was Def well over 300 at that fight...He is a fucking monster.

I like lesnar, I like the cock go fuck yourself attitude he has and I like how he thinks he's the shit.

I hope he assfucks carwin and knocks him out in the first 30 seconds.

Thats why I like him too.

The fact that he walks around with a MF-in sword/knife tattoo'd on his torso lol. And when he steps in the ring he's bigger than the top of it.

"Fuck Budlight they don't pay me to drink, I'm going to go home drink Coors and get on my ol lady" - Lesnar, post Mir-rematch.

tommymac

07-03-2010, 08:49 AM

That seems legit. I'm sure he re-hydrates well after weigh-in.

It's just crazy to be a fighter and have the weight range of a bodybuilder his size(45lbs diff)

Do the heavy weight guys have to make a certain weight though? I hav eseen a few fights on spike where guys had to do a lot to make weight or go up or down in a division and seemed to pay for it conditioning wise.

I like lesnar and his attitude, he wa slike that in the WWF too but thats more or less an act, here he can act like that and backs it up.

Amorok

07-03-2010, 09:15 AM

Carwin is a beast and in any other match my money would be on him, but Lesnar is fucking monstrous. Did nobody see when he hit Herring so hard it put his feet over his head? Yes, Lesnar has all the striking power he needs. However, he's recovered from a major illness and hasn't fought in a while, that's gotta come into play. This is going to be a good match, and I'm definitely getting it.

Flexin

07-03-2010, 09:17 AM

What the hell kinda weight range is 265 to 310? Holy shit Brock...

Makes me wonder what weight he hit all those stats at and how he'll show up to the fight.

For the UFC heavyweight championship:
Brock Lesnar 265 vs. Shane Carwin 265

James

OneSickPsycho

07-03-2010, 10:26 AM

What the hell kinda weight range is 265 to 310? Holy shit Brock...

Makes me wonder what weight he hit all those stats at and how he'll show up to the fight.

In the press conference he said he usually comes into fights having to cut about 15lbs of water... But I hear both guys start their training camps around 300lbs.

[QUOlTE=tommymac;389661]Do the heavy weight guys have to make a certain weight though? I hav eseen a few fights on spike where guys had to do a lot to make weight or go up or down in a division and seemed to pay for it conditioning wise.

I like lesnar and his attitude, he wa slike that in the WWF too but thats more or less an act, here he can act like that and backs it up.[/QUOTE]

Very few heavies have to cut weight to make it under the 265 limit... Lesnar and Carwin are the only non-fat guys I can think of that have to cut. Coming into this fight neither has to cut much. Where Brock usually has to knock off 15lbs of water he said he just needs to skip a meal or two this time.

For the UFC heavyweight championship:
Brock Lesnar 265 vs. Shane Carwin 265

James

We will know for sure at 7pm EST at the official weigh-ins. I expect both to be at or near the 265 mark.

Flexin

07-03-2010, 10:29 AM

In the press conference he said he usually comes into fights having to cut about 15lbs of water... But I hear both guys start their training camps around 300lbs.

[QUOlTE=tommymac;389661]Do the heavy weight guys have to make a certain weight though? I hav eseen a few fights on spike where guys had to do a lot to make weight or go up or down in a division and seemed to pay for it conditioning wise.

I like lesnar and his attitude, he wa slike that in the WWF too but thats more or less an act, here he can act like that and backs it up.

Very few heavies have to cut weight to make it under the 265 limit... Lesnar and Carwin are the only non-fat guys I can think of that have to cut. Coming into this fight neither has to cut much. Where Brock usually has to knock off 15lbs of water he said he just needs to skip a meal or two this time.

We will know for sure at 7pm EST at the official weigh-ins. I expect both to be at or near the 265 mark.[/QUOTE]

I believe that is from the weight in. Doesn't the UFC do weight ins the day before a fight the same as Boxing?

James

OneSickPsycho

07-03-2010, 10:32 AM

Very few heavies have to cut weight to make it under the 265 limit... Lesnar and Carwin are the only non-fat guys I can think of that have to cut. Coming into this fight neither has to cut much. Where Brock usually has to knock off 15lbs of water he said he just needs to skip a meal or two this time.

We will know for sure at 7pm EST at the official weigh-ins. I expect both to be at or near the 265 mark.

I believe that is from the weight in. Doesn't the UFC do weight ins the day before a fight the same as Boxing?

James[/QUOTE]

Yep 7pm last night... I'm a moron!!!

TYEster

07-03-2010, 03:32 PM

In the press conference he said he usually comes into fights having to cut about 15lbs of water... But I hear both guys start their training camps around 300lbs.

Do the heavy weight guys have to make a certain weight though? I hav eseen a few fights on spike where guys had to do a lot to make weight or go up or down in a division and seemed to pay for it conditioning wise.

I like lesnar and his attitude, he wa slike that in the WWF too but thats more or less an act, here he can act like that and backs it up.

Very few heavies have to cut weight to make it under the 265 limit... Lesnar and Carwin are the only non-fat guys I can think of that have to cut. Coming into this fight neither has to cut much. Where Brock usually has to knock off 15lbs of water he said he just needs to skip a meal or two this time.

We will know for sure at 7pm EST at the official weigh-ins. I expect both to be at or near the 265 mark.

Ah ok this explains it. I was under the impression the heavyweights were the last weight class and they could be whatever weight ABOVE 205 the light heavy cutoff.

defector

07-03-2010, 03:58 PM

Honestly both guys should be fighting @ Super HW.
HW should be cut off at about 245.

defector

07-04-2010, 12:19 AM

Leben vs Sexiyama was a hell of a fight.
Now for the big boys...

defector

07-04-2010, 12:31 AM

WTF? Lesnar by sub? Never would of guessed it.

caveman

07-04-2010, 12:49 AM

Lesnar is a big dumb oaf... Carwin will crush him.

L8 Braker

07-04-2010, 01:09 AM

Lesnar is a big dumb oaf... Carwin will crush him.You must've missed the fight?

caveman

07-04-2010, 01:38 AM

You must've missed the fight?

just saw the results.... hate workin nights

f'in lesnar

TommyHotWheel

07-04-2010, 02:51 AM

“I stand before you a humble champion and I’m still the toughest S.O.B. around, baby,” Lesnar said...

Hulk Smash!!!!!!!!!!!

Sixxxxer

07-04-2010, 11:06 AM

That was the shit...Carwin was like oh fuck I dunno what to do now that i'm in the 2nd round.

Lesnar took those punches like a man and came back with a vengeance in the 2nd...Theres alot of pissed off people in UFC right now because carwin lost...Lol

Over200

07-04-2010, 11:19 AM

azoomm

07-04-2010, 11:31 AM

“I stand before you a humble champion and I’m still the toughest S.O.B. around, baby,” Lesnar said...

Hulk Smash!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT is what I said last night :lol:

F'in Lesar...

Sixxxxer

07-04-2010, 11:42 AM

Yeah baby!!!! Payday was Niiice!!:boobs::boobs::boobs:..I must say though during the first round I was reaching for the bank to settle...Thank god he is as Bad & Tough as he is....I want to get some custom gloves that look like cement trucks for his next fight!..What a Beast!...It was funny though the guy's were tearing me up in the 1st round when lesnar was getting pounded and he was bleeding pretty bad...they were like...He's crying Blood!...I LMAO!

Oh my friend was begging carwin to knock him the fuck out...And after lesnar submitted him he was like Thats Fucking BS WTF and started crying like a baby...It was quite comical

I love lesnar and his cocky fuck you attitude...Cain Velasquez is gonna get his world rocked in a few months.

Porkchop

07-04-2010, 05:59 PM

I couldn't believe it. That was an amazing ass fight. Any normal fighter/human being would have been out cold twice in that first round. And then to come back and submit??? Damn...

Akiyama/Leben was a great fight too. Both of them were wobbling in the second round. Too bad Akiyama made that small mistake at the end.

Amorok

07-04-2010, 06:13 PM

I was pissed when Leben won, I fuckin hate him. Wish he and Koschek would get hit by the same bus. Carwin ran out of gas, that's what happens when you don't train to fight past five minutes.

derf

07-04-2010, 07:35 PM

Oh my friend was begging carwin to knock him the fuck out...And after lesnar submitted him he was like Thats Fucking BS WTF and started crying like a baby...It was quite comical

I love lesnar and his cocky fuck you attitude...Cain Velasquez is gonna get his world rocked in a few months.

Carwin really deserved to win, he is a much better fighter, Lesnar did take something away from his pro wrestling days though, he is a much better showman

Over200

07-04-2010, 07:51 PM

Carwin really deserved to win, he is a much better fighter, Lesnar did take something away from his pro wrestling days though, he is a much better showman

Well if you really think about it the early days of ufc were called the "Tough Man" contest and Lesnar surely brought that back because he is obviously tougher than carwin or anyone else in the ufc right now...All you fans hating on Lesnar should really just face reality..It is what it is and credit should be given where due!

defector

07-04-2010, 08:12 PM

Carwin really deserved to win, he is a much better fighter, Lesnar did take something away from his pro wrestling days though, he is a much better showman

Disagree. It's not like he got robbed by the judges. He deserved a title shot and got it. He deserved to get beat in round 2 after blowing his wad in round 1.

Sixxxxer

07-04-2010, 08:16 PM

Carwin really deserved to win, he is a much better fighter, Lesnar did take something away from his pro wrestling days though, he is a much better showman

If you call throwing 50 punches in the first round landing half of them running out of gas and getting submitted in the second round and losing a better fighter...Sure,

Lesnar even when in the fetal posistion mad eit lcear to the ref that he was still able to defend himself...He was moving around throwing jabs in between carwins punches and using his legs to show the ref he wasnt down and out.

Everyone who thinks the fight shoulda gotten called in the first is a fucking idiot...Lesnar would've been robbed if that were the case.

People dont like seeing cocky motherfuckers win...I happen to love it

derf

07-04-2010, 09:16 PM

Porkchop

07-04-2010, 09:25 PM

I was pissed when Leben won, I fuckin hate him. Wish he and Koschek would get hit by the same bus. Carwin ran out of gas, that's what happens when you don't train to fight past five minutes.

I FUCKING HATE JOSH KOSCHEK. I want that cheating punk to get rocked.

OneSickPsycho

07-04-2010, 09:58 PM

WTF? Lesnar by sub? Never would of guessed it.

Well Carwin has submitted people in the past...

Lesnar however had no idea what he was doing with that choke, but he knew it and looked to his corner... Or heard me screaming at the tv...

Lesnar won and deserved to win. Carwins shots would have buried a lesser man but Lesnar stayed just active enough to avoid a stoppage. 57 punches landed by Carwin and he couldn't put Lesnar away. I don't question his cardio... I question his game plan because he punched himself out... As any guy that size would after swinging for the fences for 5 minutes.

As much as I would have liked to see things go differently, Lesnar was the better man last night plain and simple.

Velasquez is going to get murdered by Brock.

Over200

07-04-2010, 10:19 PM

And for all you guy's hatin...it's real simple...Man up and put your $$$$ where your mouth is!!:boobs::boobs::boobs::boobs:...I can always use some more mod money!!:boobs:

TommyHotWheel

07-04-2010, 10:26 PM

Actually I like lesnar, but I think carwin should have won, his first round showing put lesnar to shame, and lesnar only got the upper hand after he speared carwin and choked him into submission.

As far as his wwf days, its not a bad thing, he knows howto brand and market himself, and does a good job at it.

Isnt the point of being the better fighter...to take what the other guy dishes out and then use skill and technique to find and capitalize on a mistake or weakness in his game/training? I love Lesnar, this fight proves he belongs and proves he is more than just a pro-wrestler turned shoot fighter. Its kinda dumb to say carwin deserved to win just because he punched alot, thats not the only way to win a fight. You dont have to like him or the fact that he won, but give him respect and dont downplay a very good win because of a lopsided view of one round. Its not like the ref was taking away points for nothing or called for the bell prematurely, Lesnar withstood the pounding and implemented his will and gameplan. The better fighter won.

L8 Braker

07-05-2010, 12:56 AM

In case you missed it, or just wanna re-watch it.

http://video.mmator.com/2010/07/shane-carwin-vs-brock-lesnar.html

derf

07-05-2010, 01:36 AM

Lesnar however had no idea what he was doing with that choke, but he knew it and looked to his corner...

This is exactly what I was talking about. Carwin put up a better fight all the way around, lesnar was just able to end the fight first.