View Full Version : More truth learned as drug war propaganda fades...
Avatard
07-21-2010, 08:10 PM
The tone of this article is still pretty anti-pot, but if you read between the lines, you'll see it.
Scientists seem to finally be on the road to figuring out that cannabis doesn't cause Schizophrenia, but that sufferers may be, in fact, just self-medicating, and some even now expect that cannabis-based drugs may one day help treat sufferers...
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2005559,00.html
Legalize it!
Kaneman
07-21-2010, 08:14 PM
I had to quit at the first sentence where they claim Marijuana can cause hallucinations. They may be getting more non-biased...but the articles still reek of horse shit.
Avatard
07-21-2010, 08:23 PM
Well, at least the language of propaganda is easy to spot anymore, and I agree, the bias is still looming large, but if you read carefully between the lines (because the researchers themselves know the rules of the game are stacked against the truth, and are carefully to speak accordingly), you can see that the truth is actually trying to rise to the surface.
Legalize it!
California is on the way to doing that. It will be interesting how the NRC will respond in California if it becomes legal for recreation use.
Kaneman
07-21-2010, 08:26 PM
Well, at least the language of propaganda is easy to spot anymore, and I agree, the bias is still looming large, but if you read carefully between the lines (because the researchers themselves know the rules of the game are stacked against the truth, and are carefully to speak accordingly), you can see that the truth is actually trying to rise to the surface.
Yea, I get all that. But when people who don't know any better read something like "hallucination" in text that makes it seem common, like everytime you smoke pot you hallucinate, then its potency is going to continue to be dramatically overrated and lives will continue to be destroyed due to it's prohibition.
Thousands of times I've partaken, not once have I ever hallucinated. Complete BS.
California is on the way to doing that. It will be interesting how the NRC will respond in California if it becomes legal for recreation use.
Which NRC? The Nuclear guys?
I'd still be absolutely shocked if CA voted it legal. I have a feeling the silent majority will come out and vote this down. I did see a story today about Oakland approving their first large-scale marijuana farm. There were protests, but not from concerned citizens....the protests came from small time medical growers. :lol:
Which NRC? The Nuclear guys?
I'd still be absolutely shocked if CA voted it legal. I have a feeling the silent majority will come out and vote this down. I did see a story today about Oakland approving their first large-scale marijuana farm. There were protests, but not from concerned citizens....the protests came from small time medical growers. :lol:
Yeah, the nuke guys. We have very strict drug testing compared to normal employment, if it is legal what will they do? Do you want reactor operators high on the job? There is no good way to test like alcohol. Just to see if it is in your system.
Homeslice
07-21-2010, 08:34 PM
I don't see why they couldn't continue drug testing. Think about other federal employers, like the military. I doubt they would change what they do just because of what California does.
The NRC is still free to require drug testing, just like they are free to conduct alcohol testing even though alcohol is legal.
Will you not be allowed to use it though? Will you have to be drug free to work in the industry even though it is legal?
Avatard
07-21-2010, 08:35 PM
I might be moving to Montana [California] soon, just a raise me up a crop of some dental floss [skunk].
Homeslice
07-21-2010, 08:38 PM
Will you not be allowed to use it though? Will you have to be drug free to work in the industry even though it is legal?
Seems like they could establish standards saying that it's OK as long as you didn't use it X number of hours before coming to work (backed up by blood tests for those who are suspected of violating that).
Seems like they could establish standards saying that it's OK as long as you didn't use it X number of hours before coming to work (backed up by blood tests if necessary)
didn't think there was a good way to test for it based on last smoke
dReWpY
07-22-2010, 02:50 AM
Will you not be allowed to use it though? Will you have to be drug free to work in the industry even though it is legal?
what about alcohol?
Dragonpaco
07-22-2010, 03:08 AM
didn't think there was a good way to test for it based on last smoke
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/434243424_6602b5110a.jpg
put these in front of them and if they start chowing down, they smoked within the last couple hours
Adeptus_Minor
07-22-2010, 03:13 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/434243424_6602b5110a.jpg
put these in front of them and if they start chowing down, they smoked within the last couple hours
Shit, man, I'd chow down on those right now and I'm squeaky clean :nee::lol:
Avatard
07-22-2010, 03:15 AM
What did they do before there was a chemical alcohol test?
They gave a simple sobriety test for impairment.
If you're not impaired, there should be no issue.
what about alcohol?
They use breathlizers that pretty much anyone can administer.
t-homo
07-22-2010, 01:14 PM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/434243424_6602b5110a.jpg
put these in front of them and if they start chowing down, they smoked within the last couple hours
:drewpy:
Papa_Complex
07-22-2010, 01:27 PM
Legalize it? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6MGVpl5ux8
Avatard
07-22-2010, 04:27 PM
PC, thanks for reminding us of the Government sponsored version of what exactly Cannabis is...here's the reality version (I know most have seen it, but for those who didn't, the "contrast" with the above is just too telling):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z5jkYvKscw
PC, thanks for reminding us of the Government sponsored version of what exactly Cannabis is...here's the reality version (I know most have seen it, but for those who didn't, the "contrast" with the above is just too telling):
The reality version proved it's basically like alcohol without a good testing method.
Avatard
07-22-2010, 05:26 PM
The reality version proved it's basically like alcohol without a good testing method.
Did you happen to notice the part where he drove BETTER after smoking?
Did you happen to notice the part where he drove BETTER after smoking?
Did you catch the part where he said he was concentrating more because he knew he was impaired. It would be like drinking a beer and concentrating more because you knew you had to watch out. They didn't take it very far, so it doesn't really show much.
Avatard
07-22-2010, 05:48 PM
I think the main take-away from that vid is the fact that cannabis use does NOT promote risk-taking (as alcohol does), but in fact, makes you more aware of any possible impairment (even if it's only a perceived one), thus it is self-correcting, in a way.
I don't think there's a real panic to be felt here.
Being impaired, be it ever so slightly by cannabis...Zirtec, or Chlor-Trimeton, for that matter...is probably not the worst concern in the world.
Sleep deprivation is FAR more dangerous, and pervasive in the workplace, and surely responsible for far-greater fuckups.
Ain't no test fo dat chit.
I think the main take-away from that vid is the fact that cannabis use does NOT promote risk-taking (as alcohol does), but in fact, makes you more aware of any possible impairment (even if it's only a perceived one), thus it is self-correcting, in a way.
I don't think there's a real panic to be felt here.
Being impaired, be it ever so slightly by cannabis...Zirtec, or Chlor-Trimeton, for that matter...is probably not the worst concern in the world.
Sleep deprivation is FAR more dangerous, and pervasive in the workplace, and surely responsible for far-greater fuckups.
Ain't no test fo dat chit.
I agree, you can also have a little wine and be fine to drive. If they legalize it, they need to examine the point where it could possibly become an issue. I don't think this is really a concern yet though. Legalizing it for any recreational use is the bigger issue.
t-homo
07-22-2010, 06:20 PM
I have a lot of times that I know I am too high to drive, so I don't. If I were at the same stage of drunk, I'd probably already have myself convinced that I was ok to drive.
Papa_Complex
07-22-2010, 08:07 PM
PC, thanks for reminding us of the Government sponsored version of what exactly Cannabis is...here's the reality version (I know most have seen it, but for those who didn't, the "contrast" with the above is just too telling):
Every watched "Reefer Madness" all the way through? Best unintentional comedy ever.
dubbs
07-22-2010, 09:12 PM
Sleep deprivation is FAR more dangerous, and pervasive in the workplace, and surely responsible for far-greater fuckups.
Ain't no test fo dat chit.
Truth.. I was driving behind someone about two weeks ago.. it was a little earlier in the morning then i normally get goin to work and I had a strange thought run through my head about ppl falling asleep because it was so early..
Maybe about 10 mins from my house im behind this old suburban who has his blinker on for a couple miles (used it during a circle for some odd reason) and then he turned it off finally. couple mins later i see him slowly get into the turning lane without a signal or brake lights.. then he slowly went into oncomming traffic.. then onto the sidewalk and then into a pole at about 50mph.. I thought he was gonna go through a house, but the pole stopped him.. I had to swerve to miss a wheel flying back across the road. I slowed down and saw that he got out tho..
Scary shit.. :td:
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