techlusion vs bazzaz vs powercommander vs ecu flash????

[Dnyce]

i just (finally) put a full exhaust on my bike, and big surprise, its running mighty lean.

so, from what i hear, the techlusion only adds fuel and is the cheapest, but theres some folks who think its garbage.

bazzaz is expensive and will do everything i could possibly ever want

pc is the old standby, lil cheaper than bazzaz, lil more than techlusion.

all these i can install myself, withoout a dyno. ecu flash im pretty clueless on as far as where to get it done.

im more about trying to have the bike run really really good, as opposed to squeezing the last .2 hp out of it just before redline. so i dont think i need a custom map, but it does need something.

bike is a 2000 gsxr 750, bmc race filter, hindle full stainless exhaust, supersport muffler. ideas, suggestions??

[Amber Lamps]

i just (finally) put a full exhaust on my bike, and big surprise, its running mighty lean.

so, from what i hear, the techlusion only adds fuel and is the cheapest, but theres some folks who think its garbage.

bazzaz is expensive and will do everything i could possibly ever want

pc is the old standby, lil cheaper than bazzaz, lil more than techlusion.

all these i can install myself, withoout a dyno. ecu flash im pretty clueless on as far as where to get it done.

im more about trying to have the bike run really really good, as opposed to squeezing the last .2 hp out of it just before redline. so i dont think i need a custom map, but it does need something.

bike is a 2000 gsxr 750, bmc race filter, hindle full stainless exhaust, supersport muffler. ideas, suggestions??

YES! See if you can find the Yoshimura ECU set-up. That's what I had on my '01 GSXR 1000 and it was the bomb! If not, they also had a ecu reprogrammer but I'm not sure that it would work on your bike. I'll look into it.

[smileyman]

Bazzazz if you want a custom map and future potentail for TC or variable mapping.

Cheap plug and play, get the power commander and run the base map for whatever application your running. Specify brand and full system or slip on and they pretty well do the tuning for you. Later on if your not satisfied an hour of dyno tuning should have you good.

[nhgunnut]

I have been running the 01 Victory with the Techlusion for about 7 years. if is easy to use but limited as noted you can only add fuel and most guys who who ae running it have noted that there at least a couple spots in the curve where it is very rich.
I use a Power commander setup on my 05 Hayabusa Turbo for the past 5 years It offers a better interface and most tuners are quite familiar with it. It has the advantage of having lots of addo ns to go with it and is really a bit of a standard. Most new product compare themselves to it.
I am using a boost by smith ecu flashing kit on my 08 B King has a lot more in the way of option than the power comander but far fewer tuners that use the ECUDICator software and this is a bit of a challange. ALso flashing and reflashing maps takes about 4 times as long than the PC
Hope this help no experience with the Bazzaz

[Dnyce]

i found the yosh ecu, seems nice, very similar to the pc. even the maps are interchangeable someone said... $300 tho-that a good deal? i found a pc11 for $200, pc111 are all $275-$320.

pc11 can adjust timing, pc111 cant.

the techlusion is out, i downloaded some pc maps that would go with what i have, and while they seem to add alot of fuel in the midrange, they also take out alot in other areas...

id sorta like to try the ecu flash, but like you say, the "know how" is hard to find, along with money for the extended dyno time

let me know what you find AL

[nhgunnut]

i found the yosh ecu, seems nice, very similar to the pc. even the maps are interchangeable someone said... $300 tho-that a good deal? i found a pc11 for $200, pc111 are all $275-$320.

pc11 can adjust timing, pc111 cant.

the techlusion is out, i downloaded some pc maps that would go with what i have, and while they seem to add alot of fuel in the midrange, they also take out alot in other areas...

id sorta like to try the ecu flash, but like you say, the "know how" is hard to find, along with money for the extended dyno time

let me know what you find AL
The Yoshi boxes are pretty limited I would check boostbysmith.com if you are thinking of ECU flashing got his box for 200. The PCIII needs that ad on timing module ( I have it) Even if you find the budget finding someone who knows the software (there are several programs for ECU flashing) is the challange

[Amber Lamps]

The Yoshi boxes are pretty limited I would check boostbysmith.com if you are thinking of ECU flashing got his box for 200. The PCIII needs that ad on timing module ( I have it) Even if you find the budget finding someone who knows the software (there are several programs for ECU flashing) is the challange

You might be thinking of this...

http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/t-engine_management_FuelAdjusterBox.aspx


While I'm thinking of this...

http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/p-3979-gsx-r1000-em-pro.aspx


What he really needs is this...

http://www.exoticsportbike.com/yoshimura_ems.htm

or this...looks a little banged up though...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-GSXR-600-750-YOSHIMURA-EMS-IGNITION-ADVANCER-/290318354106?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories#ht_5 12wt_939

The old units didn't hook up just before the injectors but between the ECU and the fuel management system. It will also adjust the timing of your bike. This one looks a little rough though....:whistle:

[OTB]

If you want fuel and timing flexibility, get the PC. Most of the bikes that we custom dyno/map (5-10/wk) are waayyy off the correct ratio, downloaded "custom" maps and all. Bazazz are ok, and the high-end will get you TC, but no timing adjustment (why?), whereas the PC has fewer bells and whistles, but is easier to tune, has timing, and with a careful tuner, can get almost ideal fuel/air across the board.

And a decent map for every gear/throttle position takes about 3 hrs, not 1...if they're doing it in an hour, they're either only doing top gear, or they're only doing the top third of the throttle positions.

We remap 2-3 bikes/week done poorly by other shops.

JMHO

[nhgunnut]

You might be thinking of this...

http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/t-engine_management_FuelAdjusterBox.aspx


While I'm thinking of this...

http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/p-3979-gsx-r1000-em-pro.aspx


What he really needs is this...

http://www.exoticsportbike.com/yoshimura_ems.htm

or this...looks a little banged up though...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-GSXR-600-750-YOSHIMURA-EMS-IGNITION-ADVANCER-/290318354106?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories#ht_5 12wt_939

The old units didn't hook up just before the injectors but between the ECU and the fuel management system. It will also adjust the timing of your bike. This one looks a little rough though....:whistle:
I was actually thinking of the second one the third one is closer to what I would want. The kit I am using also offers the added ability on the Busa class machines (will work with all of the suzuki ecu just harder to find the software) of pulling the timing retard restrictions out of the upper gears and the Secondary throttle restrictions out of 1-3 on the B King and 1-2 on a busa (to qualify) My experience is with the Busa class Machines. Gregs kit is $199 software is free and you use your computer (usually a laptop) and the latest development for in the ECUDicator is using the on board oxygen sensor for low level data logging. (they are not wide band sensors) Many Busa guys are using the just ECU editing through this kit to mange their High Turbo Functions . Honestly having said all that for a day to day rider that is going to depend a a Tuner I would probably say go PC. I chose not to on the B King for the simplest of reason no space (took about 40 minutes to find a space for the Speedo healer) and price (275 to 300 for a PC 200 for the flash Kit)

[Dnyce]

You might be thinking of this...



What he really needs is this...

http://www.exoticsportbike.com/yoshimura_ems.htm

or this...looks a little banged up though...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUZUKI-GSXR-600-750-YOSHIMURA-EMS-IGNITION-ADVANCER-/290318354106?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories#ht_5 12wt_939

The old units didn't hook up just before the injectors but between the ECU and the fuel management system. It will also adjust the timing of your bike. This one looks a little rough though....:whistle:

thats what i found for $300 new, at the same site as you lol-im not too sure on the banged up one, i found a pcii brand new for a few dollars more... but i like the features of the yosh box, seems to have the same tuneability as a newer pc.

If you want fuel and timing flexibility, get the PC. Most of the bikes that we custom dyno/map (5-10/wk) are waayyy off the correct ratio, downloaded "custom" maps and all. Bazazz are ok, and the high-end will get you TC, but no timing adjustment (why?), whereas the PC has fewer bells and whistles, but is easier to tune, has timing, and with a careful tuner, can get almost ideal fuel/air across the board.

And a decent map for every gear/throttle position takes about 3 hrs, not 1...if they're doing it in an hour, they're either only doing top gear, or they're only doing the top third of the throttle positions.

We remap 2-3 bikes/week done poorly by other shops.

JMHO

definitely good to know, and thats the type of tune id want.

also-i contacted a guy that does ecu flashing thru ebay, turns out hes pretty local, said if i let them use my bike and keep the dyno rights or whatever, they would do it for me(i think for free, im working that out now. . apparently they havent done a 2000 gsxr 750 before.

but these are my for sure options, so what do u think? banged up yosh for about 200 shipped, new pcii for 200 shipped, or new yosh for $300? cheapest pcii and above was in $300 range as well, and the way i see it, the yosh box adjusts timing but the pciii doesnt unless u get some add ons...

[Amber Lamps]

That's why... I suggested the Yosh to begin with... I had a '01 and at that time there was no better option out there. The PC didn't do timing and for real, who better than Yosh to get maps from for a GSXR in 2000-2004?

[Dnyce]

true-but now that its 2010, in your opinion, would you pick the yosh for $300 or a new pc ii for $200? they both do timing and fuel....
bang for buck

[Amber Lamps]

true-but now that its 2010, in your opinion, would you pick the yosh for $300 or a new pc ii for $200? they both do timing and fuel....
bang for buck

That's tough... I have a PC on my bike now because Yosh didn't offer a unit when I first got my bike. They quit making them for a while. I kid you not, if I were buying one today for my bike, I would get the Yosh, real talk (bringing it back). I was very, very unhappy with the PC I had on my 00 'Busa and very, very happy with the Yosh on the 01 GSXR 1K. Man, I guess for the money...wait do you have a laptop with a serial port or a serial port adapter? I had to find one when I did my 'Busa. Unless it's changed, the PCII is not USB equipped...not a huge problem but I thought that I'd mention it... Yea for the money, I'd have to go with the PCII, just make sure that the dang thing is properly sealed. Mine screwed up every time I washed my bike. Until you're sure that you can totally trust it, make sure you have the tools handy to unhook it if your bike quits. I have to say that the PCIII USB that I currently have on my bike hasn't given me even a moment of trouble FWIW...:idk:

[OTB]

thats what i found for $300 new, at the same site as you lol-im not too sure on the banged up one, i found a pcii brand new for a few dollars more... but i like the features of the yosh box, seems to have the same tuneability as a newer pc.



definitely good to know, and thats the type of tune id want.

also-i contacted a guy that does ecu flashing thru ebay, turns out hes pretty local, said if i let them use my bike and keep the dyno rights or whatever, they would do it for me(i think for free, im working that out now. . apparently they havent done a 2000 gsxr 750 before.

but these are my for sure options, so what do u think? banged up yosh for about 200 shipped, new pcii for 200 shipped, or new yosh for $300? cheapest pcii and above was in $300 range as well, and the way i see it, the yosh box adjusts timing but the pciii doesnt unless u get some add ons...


If you can get the ecu map and flash done for free, that would be good. Make certain they give you a copy for the unlikely circumstance of a bad ecu down the road.

[Dnyce]

i have the right ports on my laptop, ive played around with a pcii on a busa a few times. ill probably get the pcii.

im really hoping for the free ecu flash, and ill make sure to get a copy, but im still in talks with the guy, not sure how its gonna work out, if at all. but that would be my first choice cuz its free and its a complete tune. heres hoping

thanks for the input ev1

[nhgunnut]

i have the right ports on my laptop, ive played around with a pcii on a busa a few times. ill probably get the pcii.

im really hoping for the free ecu flash, and ill make sure to get a copy, but im still in talks with the guy, not sure how its gonna work out, if at all. but that would be my first choice cuz its free and its a complete tune. heres hoping

thanks for the input ev1
Do let us know how it goes

[Dnyce]

the free flash is out, guy doesnt want to do it. says before 2004, the ecu's were too heavily encrypted, wouldnt be too profitable for him i guess.

but he then said a dyno tune is 200bucks and takes an hour. and i specifically asked for a full tune, not just high gear.

so once my magical box shows up, ill see if i can get it pretty close to right, and then start looking for a good dyno shop.

[Dnyce]

well, update, i threw a offer for $120 at the $200 pc2, and itll be here next week:boobs:

[OneSickPsycho]

well, update, i threw a offer for $120 at the $200 pc2, and itll be here next week:boobs:

Where from? I'd like one for my bike...

[Dnyce]

seller on ebay, was surprised he accepted my offer honestly, but that was the only one he had.

i did a quick search for your bike, found a used one for $149
pcii for tl1000r (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180553296334&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

[OneSickPsycho]

seller on ebay, was surprised he accepted my offer honestly, but that was the only one he had.

i did a quick search for your bike, found a used one for $149
pcii for tl1000r (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180553296334&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

Nice... Come tax time, I'm going to do some bike surgery...

[Dnyce]

new ones occasionaly pop up on there too ive noticed, for cheap. just gotta keep a look out for em.

i cant wait for mine to get here, just to fuck around with it lol

[Dnyce]

got it yesterday, was gonna do a write up on installing it but it seriously was a 5min plug n play deal.

i was thinking, there should be an app that u could plug your phone into the usb pc, and atleast upload maps, adjust maps, etc, and itd be really cool if the phone could be your auto tuner, or be the pc. i know its possible to do these things with add-ons from pc or bazzaz already, but itd be pretty nice if you had more than one bike, just plug in your phone, boom.

[Dnyce]

seat of the pants, i feel alil more power thru 5500+rpm, below that its nonexistent or not noticeable. but it now has alil hesitation just off idle. im on my 3rd map so far. saving up for a dyno tune, after i remove/modify the pair system so it doesnt screw with the a/f reading.

ive heard you should flow match the injectors before u dyno a bike. that true? kinda makes sense, if u have a dirty one, itll lean that cylinder out with its lack of flow, and make it hard to tune properly. but do they really get that dirty in <30k miles? can i throw some seafoam in it and call it a day, or they really need to be "flow matched within 2%"...kind of a dumb question actually, since im not racing, but im still curious what the general consensus is