Awesome human beings

[Trip]

http://tukwila.komonews.com/content/speeding-motorcyclist-taunts-state-trooper-trapped-crashed-car

[Particle Man]

what a bunch of freakin' douchebags

[Avatard]

Meh, the way cops have been acting lately, I can't say I didn't find a little joy in that.

:shrug:

If they ever wanna return to that old long-lost chestnut of "protect and serve", maybe I can find a little compassion in my heart again. Right now, I can't help but feel that they are any less than predominantly "the enemy", and are not there to protect fucking anybody, anymore.

They need to do some house cleaning, and get rid of the bullies. By protecting them, as they have, behind that thin blue line, they've made their own beds, and now must dodge the resultant bullets while lying in them.

Running way low on compassion for LEOs right now...and I feel deservedly so...

[z06boy]

I'm glad I don't ride a sportbike in that area now...these douches make it bad for all of us.

[KSGregman]

It's unfortunate that he either couldn't, or chose not to, draw his weapon and shoot that dumb fucker right between the eyes....done society a favor by ridding us of this kids stupidity and poor judgement permanently.

[OTB]

Hmmmm; "Investigators believe they have the motorcyclists' registration information, Pratt said, and they are searching for the two people."....

Something tells me that I hope those clowns enjoyed themselves, because once the state prosecutor gets a hold of them, things might not be so funny. Like, I don't know what things are like there, but Maryland has "Wonton Disregard" clauses in a few of it's traffic laws....I know a motorcyclist here was convicted of manslaughter in the death of a trooper chasing him a few years ago. I would imagine that it wouldn't be a hard sell to a jury to up the ante to some serious felony fleeing charges for those two.

Specially if a dashcam caught the taunting parts on audio.

Even if you win, it's gonna be expensive....real expensive.....


Nothin like a perp walk and a night in the clink to give you some stories at the bar....

[OneSickPsycho]

Meh, the way cops have been acting lately, I can't say I didn't find a little joy in that.

:shrug:

If they ever wanna return to that old long-lost chestnut of "protect and serve", maybe I can find a little compassion in my heart again. Right now, I can't help but feel that they are any less than predominantly "the enemy", and are not there to protect fucking anybody, anymore.

They need to do some house cleaning, and get rid of the bullies. By protecting them, as they have, behind that thin blue line, they've made their own beds, and now must dodge the resultant bullets while lying in them.

Running way low on compassion for LEOs right now...and I feel deservedly so...

That's one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this, or any other forum.

[Avatard]

Are you a cop? That would explain that.

Otherwise, I can't understand why, in light of the recent non-stop parade of "cops behaving badly", that you would find fault with my feeling the need to chuckle just a little at the irony.

[CasterTroy]

That's just insane.

This is the kinda crap the extremists latch onto to "protect us from ourselves" and try to get laws passed against us.


I can't help but think of my cop buddies how they're just people..I mean c'mon guys....think of Todd... most of you guys know HIM.....is HE the enemy?

[Avatard]

Meh, too many cops shooting people's dogs in the last five minutes. They kinda lost my support. I don't know Todd, maybe he's a nice guy. If there were more like him, maybe there'd be less folks inclined to think like me.

:shrug:

[tommymac]

That's just insane.

This is the kinda crap the extremists latch onto to "protect us from ourselves" and try to get laws passed against us.


I can't help but think of my cop buddies how they're just people..I mean c'mon guys....think of Todd... most of you guys know HIM.....is HE the enemy?

The problem is its the assholes like these guys that make it worse for all motorcyclists because thats what the public and the cops will remember.

[OneSickPsycho]

Are you a cop? That would explain that.

No, it just sounds like KKK/Black Panther propaganda... Because of the actions of a minority, we should treat the entire group as if they are all the same. For someone who makes wild attempts to appear enlightened on so many fronts, this is quite a short-sighted view.

This story seems pretty straightforward. Cop doing his job, punks giving everyone on two wheels a bad rep, cop crashes gets injured, and punk motherfuckers demonstrate that they are not just punks, but punks x 10^9 by TURNING around... not to see if the guy's alright (ie. being a decent human being) but rather to taunt the guy. Seriously, a fucking 5-year old knows right/wrong better than these fucking retards.

I call it like I see it - cop right/wrong... others right/wrong. This demonstrates the other side of the story - what drives cops to be dicks. Maybe for some it's a power trip and they are just fucking assholes... maybe for others it's the constant barrage of fucking stupidity and hate in general that gets spewed in their direction. There aren't very many jobs you have where you 1) deal directly with the lowest forms of human life on a daily basis, 2) are potentially walking into a bullet to the head every day you go to work, and 3) 90% of the general public fucking hates you regardless if you are doing a fucking impeccable job or you just beat Rodney King with a flashlight.

Bottom line... the vast majority of cops are good, hardworking middle class Americans like most of us. The general public and the media love nothing more than to shit upon them every chance they get - right or wrong. I've seen probably as many videos posted online about police brutality and power trips that were just ordinary people doing their job against extra ordinary stupidity as I have seen videos that show police in the wrong - and most of those are questionable.

[OneSickPsycho]

Meh, too many cops shooting people's dogs in the last five minutes. They kinda lost my support. I don't know Todd, maybe he's a nice guy. If there were more like him, maybe there'd be less folks inclined to think like me.

:shrug:

Millions of cop interactions with dogs, drug dealers, innocent people, etc, etc... and it's the 5 videos people put on Youtube sells you that all cops are bad.

Quite a nice coat of wool you have there Av...

[Avatard]

The problem is its the assholes like these guys that make it worse for all motorcyclists because thats what the public and the cops will remember.

And then there's folks like me, who remember the bad behavior of the cops that do shit like shoot people's dogs...just the flipside of how a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch, huh?

:idk:

[tommymac]

And then there's folks like me, who remember the bad behavior of the cops that do shit like shoot people's dogs...just the flipside of how a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch, huh?

:idk:

Little different though in that this is a hobby, albeit a passionate one for us whereas this is a guys liveleyhood.

I may be a bit more pro cop than others here but seeing the shit that goes on in the shithole community I work in I gotta side wit hthem a bit more since theres a distinct possibility they may not make it home on a given night.

Sending a cop to the morgue is never a fun thing (or anyone for that matter) and have seen it done 4 times since I graduated and most of us kinda hope the skells who did it die a long painful death.

[Smittie61984]

Little different though in that this is a hobby, albeit a passionate one for us whereas this is a guys liveleyhood.

I may be a bit more pro cop than others here but seeing the shit that goes on in the shithole community I work in I gotta side wit hthem a bit more since theres a distinct possibility they may not make it home on a given night.

Sending a cop to the morgue is never a fun thing (or anyone for that matter) and have seen it done 4 times since I graduated and most of us kinda hope the skells who did it die a long painful death.

Ever since I went to EMT school I have taken on a whole new respect for cops. As I mentioned in another thread, I have yet to see an ambulance pull up with someone doing chest compressions and that person doing them NOT be a cop. My first full cardiac arrest I asked for a cop to come in and help and that cop couldn't get into the ambulance fast enough despite we were looking at 20minutes of drive time (and 20 minutes of chest compressions sucks donkey balls).

And on top of that when a scene turns bad and we hear gunshots again, while we are in the ambulance administering to ourselves high-flow diesel (getting the fuck out), the cops are staying there and going in.

[tommymac]

Ever since I went to EMT school I have taken on a whole new respect for cops. As I mentioned in another thread, I have yet to see an ambulance pull up with someone doing chest compressions and that person doing them NOT be a cop. My first full cardiac arrest I asked for a cop to come in and help and that cop couldn't get into the ambulance fast enough despite we were looking at 20minutes of drive time (and 20 minutes of chest compressions sucks donkey balls).

And on top of that when a scene turns bad and we hear gunshots again, while we are in the ambulance administering to ourselves high-flow diesel (getting the fuck out), the cops are staying there and going in.

The NYPD guys dont do much of that usualy the fdny guys come in first, but they seem to have a prety good relationship with the medics out this way and are usualy super cool with us in the ER. Som eof the medics are interesting, a bunch are extremely good/smart, then theres a few who think they are, theyre the dangerous ones but it seems the othe rmedics try to reel them in. Sometimes they will let em get ripped apart by one of us to teach em a lesson ;)

[Smittie61984]

The NYPD guys dont do much of that usualy the fdny guys come in first, but they seem to have a prety good relationship with the medics out this way and are usualy super cool with us in the ER. Som eof the medics are interesting, a bunch are extremely good/smart, then theres a few who think they are, theyre the dangerous ones but it seems the othe rmedics try to reel them in. Sometimes they will let em get ripped apart by one of us to teach em a lesson ;)

FD rarely responds to anything in Savannah. Not even to an MVC rollover I went to. I much prefer PD on scene despite it's nice having a FF who knows how to operate a BVM properly.

I also think anyone in emergency medicine has to be somewhat fucked up in the head to do it. You also get the good and the bad all over. Doctors, nurses, EMTs, etc.

I got yelled at by a doc once when I was with a patient we picked up in full cardiac arrest (my 1st night on an ambulance). Some woman came in wanting info on the patient. I said "I don't know, family is enroute". She kept asking me the guys name and I said "Look, I don't know, you are going to have to ask someone else I just know the family is enroute". The doctor said "Okay people talking, shut up now damnit".

My favorite was watching the charge nurse bitch out some 1st year resident. The attendings were rolling laughing.

[Mr Lefty]

And then there's folks like me, who remember the bad behavior of the cops that do shit like shoot people's dogs...just the flipside of how a few bad apples can spoil the whole bunch, huh?

:idk:

Wow dude... you really are a fucking retard aren't you?


guess by your thought process that makes all the CF people fucking retards too... :idk:

[derf]

guess by your thought process that makes all the CF people fucking retards too... :idk:

Scary how true it is

[Avatard]

Wow dude... you really are a fucking retard aren't you?


guess by your thought process that makes all the CF people fucking retards too... :idk:

Whatever, dude.

I have no compassion for cops anymore. None. Too many horror stories of late.

Besides, I don't care what the fuck is going on, I don't believe in car chases AT ALL through public streets...and have even less respect for anyone who would chase motorcyclists. People get killed...over traffic bullshit.

Maybe if more cops offed themselves instead of innocent people, this might stop...

[Adeptus_Minor]

Whatever, dude.

I have no compassion for motorcyclists anymore. None. Too many horror stories of late.

Besides, I don't care what the fuck is going on, I don't like having to chase cars AT ALL through public streets...and have even less respect for motorcyclists who run. People get killed...over traffic bullshit.

Maybe if more fleeing motorcyclists offed themselves instead of innocent people, this might stop...

Just made a few alterations.
Sounds pretty ugly when it's turned around, doesn't it?

While I wouldn't wish trouble on you, I think it would be a satisfying bit of poetic justice if a good cop pulled your ass out of the fire some day and gave you a reason to look back on some of these nasty generalizations you're making. I'm sure you'd find a way to justify it to yourself... after all, you were only talking about all those bad cops you heard about, right?
:whistle:

[Avatard]

I think it would be rather refreshing to meet, or even hear about a nice cop.

All too often, I've only been hearing about the bad ones. Far too often, I've come in contact with them personally.

Had one stand on my front porch, and lie straight to my face and right in front of my then-11-year-old daughter, about how he would handle a traffic case we were involved in. He even lied to the local paper! I have the article saved...

Protect and serve my ass.

For the record, I wasn't talking about cops who kill bikers that run. I'm talking about innocents killed when chases go bad, like a recent case in my area where an innocent (and completely uninvolved) woman, and her 5-year-old daughter were killed.

That shit needs to stop. These fuckers think they are supercops, and end up endangering the populace just as much as the perps.

Sorry, I remain completely fucking unmoved by this oh-so-sad story.

[z06boy]

I'd like to see the dash cam to see IF I could tell if it happened like the officer states. Did he really wreck due to avoiding running over the two bikes that cut him off ? Did a guy really come back and taunt him ? The dash cam probably wouldn't help with the guy coming back part but maybe we could hear him ?

IF TRUE this is a really fvcked up story. IF the motorcycle guy really did make the effort to come back and then taunt the injured officer...he deserves to die.

Sure there are some dishonest...corrupt officers but if you think about how many police officers there are in this country...it's still just a small percentage. I know SEVERAL good police officers and also a FEW that aren't...but the good ones far out number the bad ones.

How about the military ? I see where the one Marine threw the puppy off of the bridge or over a hill or something like that...I see where some military guys killed innocent civilians or another service members...humm so now I wonder if the ENTIRE US military is bad and deserves to suffer and die ?

This is ignorant thinking to say the least.

[Adeptus_Minor]

I think it would be rather refreshing to meet, or even hear about a nice cop.

All too often, I've only been hearing about the bad ones. Far too often, I've come in contact with them personally.
Sorry, I remain completely fucking unmoved by this oh-so-sad story.

Like I said, I'm sure you feel your opinion is justified. :idk:



For the record, I wasn't talking about cops who kill bikers that run. I'm talking about innocents killed when chases go bad, like a recent case in my area where an innocent (and completely uninvolved) woman, and her 5-year-old daughter were killed.

That shit needs to stop. These fuckers think they are supercops, and end up endangering the populace just as much as the perps.


Just so you know, a growing number of police departments have "No Chase" policies in effect that restrict high speed pursuit except in the case of violent crimes.
Maybe your municipality doesn't have one yet... maybe it never will... but that's something you should bring up to your local government if it bothers you so much. :wink:

[Avatard]

I'd like to see the dash cam to see IF I could tell if it happened like the officer states. Did he really wreck due to avoiding running over the two bikes that cut him off ? Did a guy really come back and taunt him ? The dash cam probably wouldn't help with the guy coming back part but maybe we could hear him ?

IF TRUE this is a really fvcked up story. IF the motorcycle guy really did make the effort to come back and then taunt the injured officer...he deserves to die.

Sure there are some dishonest...corrupt officers but if you think about how many police officers there are in this country...it's still just a small percentage. I know SEVERAL good police officers and also a FEW that aren't...but the good ones far out number the bad ones.

How about the military ? I see where the one Marine threw the puppy off of the bridge or over a hill or something like that...I see where some military guys killed innocent civilians or another service members...humm so now I wonder if the ENTIRE US military is bad and deserves to suffer and die ?

This is ignorant thinking to say the least.

No more ignorant than the prevailing attitude in this country that all bikers are outlaws...

[jtemple]

They're digging up some more details over on ADVRider:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609270

[z06boy]

No more ignorant than the prevailing attitude in this country that all bikers are outlaws...

This is correct...both are ignorant.

[Avatard]

Thus my point. A few bad apples CAN spoil the whole bunch.

See? It all comes back around.

It's the circle of life, Simba.

[z06boy]

Thus my point. A few bad apples CAN spoil the whole bunch.

See? It all comes back around.

It's the circle of life, Simba.

It's ignorant if you stereotype either group due to what a few may have done.

[shmike]

They're digging up some more details over on ADVRider:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609270

I'm glad to see the crowd at ADV seems to be a little more level-headed, at least in the one thread.

This is interesting...

citizenobserver said on August 10, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Title should read: Trooper Taunts Motorcyclists and crashes. As an EYE WHITNESS, the trooper was traveling at a very low rate of speed in front of a large group of motorcycles and would swerve into the path of any cyclist who would try to pass him, and when one finally got past he gave chase, reaching speeds of over 130mph according to multiple motorcycle witnesses and crashed after failing to negotiate a curve at a high rate. I support our law enforcement community, but this trooper was looking for a chase. The cyclist should not have run, but the officer was dangerously close to the rear tire of the motorcycle and the rider feared for his safety. NOBODY was speeding before the chase. If any more information is needed, leave your contact info on here…
http://www.king5.com/news/local/Wash...age=1#comments

[Avatard]

citizenobserver said on August 10, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Title should read: Trooper Taunts Motorcyclists and crashes. As an EYE WHITNESS, the trooper was traveling at a very low rate of speed in front of a large group of motorcycles and would swerve into the path of any cyclist who would try to pass him, and when one finally got past he gave chase, reaching speeds of over 130mph according to multiple motorcycle witnesses and crashed after failing to negotiate a curve at a high rate. I support our law enforcement community, but this trooper was looking for a chase. The cyclist should not have run, but the officer was dangerously close to the rear tire of the motorcycle and the rider feared for his safety. NOBODY was speeding before the chase. If any more information is needed, leave your contact info on here…

OH SNAP!

Yeah, I'm such a dick!

:lmao:

OH HOW SWEET THE IRONY OF THIS THREAD!!!

http://poopnugget.com/files/thread_cat.jpg

[z06boy]

Thus why I started my post about seeing the dash cam video and used terms in capital letters like IF TRUE.

If the bikers are at fault it still doesn't make all bikers bad and if the officer is at fault it doesn't make all LEO's bad. :idk:

[z06boy]

OH SNAP!

Yeah, I'm such a dick!

:lmao:

OH HOW SWEET THE IRONY OF THIS THREAD!!!

Well you are...that's a given but not just from what you posted in this one thread. :lol:

[Adeptus_Minor]

Meh.
I stand by my defense of cops in general, even if it was misplaced in this instance. :shrug:
If we aren't willing to let them prove themselves as individuals, we're no better than the cops who see all motorcyclists as outlaws.

[Trip]

Same thread:

EYEWITNESS: I was driving home with Rentongal on 405 and we saw the pack of approx 30 motorcyclists with 5-10 of them popping wheelies and staying up on one wheel in three lanes of traffic while they were driving with cars all around them. We couldn't believe our eyes and knew that an accident was going to happen because of it. Rentongal told me that she had seen the trooper off the highway right before we saw the motorcyclists so we were hoping they would get busted before someone got killed. They were driving extremely recklessly so the cop had to do something before more help could come. Yes, he probably shouldn't have gone on a high speed chase but the whole story wasn't told about what these cyclists were doing before the chase.

We saw the pack of 30 motorcycles right before they passed the police car. They were doing wheelies at high speeds accross all 3 lanes of traffic! I'm all for a good adrenaline rush, but when I FREQUENTLY see the crotch rockets fly down the freeway on one wheel in the middle of rush hour...can you say "death wish" for themselves or the car they hit when the wipe out on the freeway?? No one can expect the cop to just sit there and do nothing as they passed him. Although, if he was "leading the group" at a very low speed down the freeway (the part I didn't see) and not allowing them to pass, I'm not sure what he was expecting to accomplish. What did he intend to do once they were following him? For the cyclests to turn around and taunt the officer after his car had flipped is tastless and childish. Sounds like there was a lot of testosterone flowing and egos that got in the way!

I doubt we will get the real story

[z06boy]

Same thread:

EYEWITNESS:

I doubt we will get the real story


That sums it up for me.

[Rider]

There is ALWAYS 3 sides to a story. Simple fact.

[Trip]

I am sure the group was being idiots, a group of bikers are almost always being idiots. I am sure the cop shouldn't of chased, get the tag and let them go. Pick the dude up when he is whacking off at home by his computer. No one gets hurt.

[z06boy]

There is ALWAYS 3 sides to a story. Simple fact.

I am sure the group was being idiots, a group of bikers are almost always being idiots. I am sure the cop shouldn't of chased, get the tag and let them go. Pick the dude up when he is whacking off at home by his computer. No one gets hurt.

True and true

[azoomm]

So, if the cop was being dangerous and an asshole - why would you speed past him and egg him into a chase? How does that possibly end well for anyone? I'm so confused.

My ex-husband is a cop. I fight everyday not to put every cop in the same bucket with him. It's a horrible job, that I wouldn't be able to muster the patience for. I give props to those that can and do.

[Avatard]

So, do you think the account about the police officer actually causing this whole situation will be widely reported? Or do you think bikers will be vilified, and made to look bad, as it always happens?

Oh, look...front page story on CNN. Those evil, horrible menacing bikers...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2010/08/12/pkg.bikers.taunt.wrecked.cop.komo?hpt=T2

That poor, heroic cop!

:skep:

[OTB]

I am sure the group was being idiots, a group of bikers are almost always being idiots. I am sure the cop shouldn't of chased, get the tag and let them go. Pick the dude up when he is whacking off at home by his computer. No one gets hurt.

Here's the problem with being a cop....no matter what happens, you get blamed.

Scenario 1. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies down the freeway; takes registration info and when he tries to stop; they flee. He does not pursue, calls it in but one of the buttheads makes an oopsie 5 miles down the road and kills a bystander.....

Result: Inflammatory story on "Eyewitness News at 5" and the lead is that "Citizen killed by biker, cops do nothing".

Scenario 2. As original story.

Scenario 3. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies, tries to perform traffic stop, pursues bikers and one of the pursuants runs into the back of a semi at 130+.

Result: Family, friends of the dead biker picket the capitol, calling for an end to "dangerous high speed pursuits" and vow to sue the state/city/county and cop for millions of dollars for wrongful death. Suit of course has no merit, but it will cost the cop thousands to defend his name.

Folks at the state capitol debate new restrictive legislation to ban/curtail "sport bikes"...insurance companies lobby govt and manufacturers to restrict horsepower/displacement....other insurance companies consider dropping sport bike coverage altogether.......

No matter what limited choice(s) a cop makes in this scenario; if it turns out badly, (and it's likely going to unless folks pull over like they should) he's going to take the heat from somebody.... and the Monday Morning Quarterbacks are all going to judge something he has a second or two to make a decision over.....

Ya, ya, I know; "If a cop can't stand the heat, he shouldn't be a cop,,blah, blah...". I AM going to sound like an olde farte, but I guess that is BECAUSE I AM ONE...but if you are doing the usual sportbike pack crap on the freeway (wheelies, stunting, ect.) when the blue lights come on, it's time to pull over and take your lumps (tickets). Nothing is worth endangering the lives of innocents.

And blaming "bad cops" for your bad behavior is just a smokescreen. I have dealt with cops a lot (sometimes daily when I was teaching) and have a couple Baltimore City cops I consider regular and good friends; there are some good ones, some so-so, and some not very nice at all... but it takes a special type of person to put on the uniform and go put yourself out there day in and day out...and time on the job and seeing what you see has a tendency to skew your perspective on people in general towards suspicion and distrust, even for the very best of people....




If you are young, regret is made from the stuff we can't take back and would if we knew better at the time.




Perhaps we should spend or energies talking to and trying to discourage our risk-taking buddies.......



For what it is worth.

[KSGregman]

Or do you think bikers will be vilified, and made to look bad, as it always happens?

So your argument is essentially that riding in a pack of 30....swerving in and out of traffic...pulling wheelies in traffic....generally acting like entitled fucks.....like the rules of the road don't apply to them....makes bikers look GOOD?

[CasterTroy]

Perhaps we should spend or energies talking to and trying to discourage our risk-taking buddies.......







Hell no, screw that....it's about being right and a Net Napoleon!

http://www.troybaker.com/paul.JPG

[Trip]

Here's the problem with being a cop....no matter what happens, you get blamed.

Scenario 1. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies down the freeway; takes registration info and when he tries to stop; they flee. He does not pursue, calls it in but one of the buttheads makes an oopsie 5 miles down the road and kills a bystander.....

Result: Inflammatory story on "Eyewitness News at 5" and the lead is that "Citizen killed by biker, cops do nothing".

Scenario 2. As original story.

Scenario 3. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies, tries to perform traffic stop, pursues bikers and one of the pursuants runs into the back of a semi at 130+.

Result: Family, friends of the dead biker picket the capitol, calling for an end to "dangerous high speed pursuits" and vow to sue the state/city/county and cop for millions of dollars for wrongful death. Suit of course has no merit, but it will cost the cop thousands to defend his name.

You left out:

Scenario 4: Cop decides to drive in front of biker group that's been reported as being d-bags then slow down well below traffic speed and block them. Cut off any that try to pass him and then when one does get past, race after him and wreck yourself.

They provide their own no win situation.

I am not saying the bikers are angels and probably deserve lots of tickets, but I am willing to bet the cop is as much at fault for this situation.

[OTB]

You left out:

Scenario 4: Cop decides to drive in front of biker group that's been reported as being d-bags then slow down well below traffic speed and block them. Cut off any that try to pass him and then when one does get past, race after him and wreck yourself.

They provide their own no win situation.

I am not saying the bikers are angels and probably deserve lots of tickets, but I am willing to bet the cop is as much at fault for this situation.

See scenario 2

[OneSickPsycho]

Here's the problem with being a cop....no matter what happens, you get blamed.

Scenario 1. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies down the freeway; takes registration info and when he tries to stop; they flee. He does not pursue, calls it in but one of the buttheads makes an oopsie 5 miles down the road and kills a bystander.....

Result: Inflammatory story on "Eyewitness News at 5" and the lead is that "Citizen killed by biker, cops do nothing".

Scenario 2. As original story.

Scenario 3. Sees 30 bikers doing wheelies, tries to perform traffic stop, pursues bikers and one of the pursuants runs into the back of a semi at 130+.

Result: Family, friends of the dead biker picket the capitol, calling for an end to "dangerous high speed pursuits" and vow to sue the state/city/county and cop for millions of dollars for wrongful death. Suit of course has no merit, but it will cost the cop thousands to defend his name.

Folks at the state capitol debate new restrictive legislation to ban/curtail "sport bikes"...insurance companies lobby govt and manufacturers to restrict horsepower/displacement....other insurance companies consider dropping sport bike coverage altogether.......

No matter what limited choice(s) a cop makes in this scenario; if it turns out badly, (and it's likely going to unless folks pull over like they should) he's going to take the heat from somebody.... and the Monday Morning Quarterbacks are all going to judge something he has a second or two to make a decision over.....

Ya, ya, I know; "If a cop can't stand the heat, he shouldn't be a cop,,blah, blah...". I AM going to sound like an olde farte, but I guess that is BECAUSE I AM ONE...but if you are doing the usual sportbike pack crap on the freeway (wheelies, stunting, ect.) when the blue lights come on, it's time to pull over and take your lumps (tickets). Nothing is worth endangering the lives of innocents.

And blaming "bad cops" for your bad behavior is just a smokescreen. I have dealt with cops a lot (sometimes daily when I was teaching) and have a couple Baltimore City cops I consider regular and good friends; there are some good ones, some so-so, and some not very nice at all... but it takes a special type of person to put on the uniform and go put yourself out there day in and day out...and time on the job and seeing what you see has a tendency to skew your perspective on people in general towards suspicion and distrust, even for the very best of people....




If you are young, regret is made from the stuff we can't take back and would if we knew better at the time.




Perhaps we should spend or energies talking to and trying to discourage our risk-taking buddies.......



For what it is worth.

:rockout:

[Avatard]

So your argument is essentially that riding in a pack of 30....swerving in and out of traffic...pulling wheelies in traffic....generally acting like entitled fucks.....like the rules of the road don't apply to them....makes bikers look GOOD?

Yes. I believe if you read back, you'll see that's exactly what I said.

[Mr Lefty]

I think it would be rather refreshing to meet, or even hear about a nice cop.

All too often, I've only been hearing about the bad ones. Far too often, I've come in contact with them personally.

Had one stand on my front porch, and lie straight to my face and right in front of my then-11-year-old daughter, about how he would handle a traffic case we were involved in. He even lied to the local paper! I have the article saved...

Protect and serve my ass.

For the record, I wasn't talking about cops who kill bikers that run. I'm talking about innocents killed when chases go bad, like a recent case in my area where an innocent (and completely uninvolved) woman, and her 5-year-old daughter were killed.

That shit needs to stop. These fuckers think they are supercops, and end up endangering the populace just as much as the perps.

Sorry, I remain completely fucking unmoved by this oh-so-sad story.

Dude... I deal with 950 18-30 year olds daily... 95 of them report Directly to me daily for any and all issue. yet of those... I spend probably close to 90% of my time with the same 10-12 airmen. They're garbage (airmen... not human beings just not cut out for the AF) they can't get their shit straight...


by your generalization... all Airmen are shit. grow the fuck up man. realize that NEGATIVITY SELLS! that's why the news is always about disasters, war, poverty, the wrong someone did. that's why Gossip magazines sell in droves!

who wants to read about a cop that did his job? that upheld the law day in and out and went home and continued to be a upstanding citizen? shit I almost fell asleep just while typing that!

come on... I refused to believe that anyone is that stupid

[Smittie61984]

I think Avatard's hate of the police comes form him never discovering the sticker his buddy stuck on the back of his car and can't understand why he keeps getting pulled over and tased
http://rexcurry.net/bumperpullover.JPG

[Captain Morgan]

Wow. Just wow.

Let me ask you this, Avatard. What, exactly, should the cop have done if he saw a group of motorcyclists riding wheelies in all three lanes of traffic on the highway?

[Avatard]

Called for backup.

[tkevcu]

I think it would be rather refreshing to meet, or even hear about a nice cop.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/noteworthy/story/7902381/

There are a bunch out there. Problem is, articles like this do not sell. Society wants horrible stories... that's what they pay for.

[shmike]

I think the general consensus here is that anybody who would laugh at or mock the injury of another is a total scumbag and fails at being a human, do I have that right? :scratch:

Just checking...

http://www.twowheelfix.com/showthread.php?t=15984

[Avatard]

Thanks, Shmike, I think you hit the nail on the head. Again.

:-)

[Avatard]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/noteworthy/story/7902381/

There are a bunch out there. Problem is, articles like this do not sell. Society wants horrible stories... that's what they pay for.

Looked to be a truly nice guy. Shame he was only an honorary officer. Too bad so many real officers aren't as nice as those who simply aspire to help often are.

I guess the ones that fight to be in that position for real, are often there for all the wrong reasons. Shame we can't have more like this guy.

:idk:

[Avatard]

I think Avatard's hate of the police comes form him never discovering the sticker his buddy stuck on the back of his car and can't understand why he keeps getting pulled over and tased
http://rexcurry.net/bumperpullover.JPG

Actually, I drive the limit (or at least keep up with general traffic flow), I don't give anyone reason to bother me.

I also don't put any stickers on my car...except PBA stickers, as I always give generously to the PBA.

Guess you don't really have me all figured out, do you?

[Kaneman]

If someone tried to kill me and then crashed out I'd probably go back and laugh at them too.

[Avatard]

This.

[Kaneman]

Ever since I went to EMT school I have taken on a whole new respect for cops. As I mentioned in another thread, I have yet to see an ambulance pull up with someone doing chest compressions and that person doing them NOT be a cop. My first full cardiac arrest I asked for a cop to come in and help and that cop couldn't get into the ambulance fast enough despite we were looking at 20minutes of drive time (and 20 minutes of chest compressions sucks donkey balls).

And on top of that when a scene turns bad and we hear gunshots again, while we are in the ambulance administering to ourselves high-flow diesel (getting the fuck out), the cops are staying there and going in.

Funny, going to EMT school did the exact opposite for me, it made me lose vast amounts of respect for them. Reading the stories on the news is one thing, but seeing how they operate behind the scenes made me ill to my stomach on numerous occasions.

[101lifts2]

Funny, going to EMT school did the exact opposite for me, it made me lose vast amounts of respect for them. Reading the stories on the news is one thing, but seeing how they operate behind the scenes made me ill to my stomach on numerous occasions.

How do they operate behind the scenes? Do tell...

[Kaneman]

How do they operate behind the scenes? Do tell...

They are assholes. Simple as that.

[Rangerscott]

Good o' media not covering everything. Bikers did stop.

http://pnwriders.com/general-discussion/136221-great-just-what-we-need-more-publicity-4.html

[SteveP]

This forum loves the police, and this thread just helps prove it.