new boomstick

[RACER X]

got one of these

http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/Mossberg930.jpg

Model: 930 SPX
Gauge: 12, 2 3/4- and 3-inch
Action Type: Gas-operated semi-automatic
Stock: Synthetic
Receiver: Steel
Barrel Length: 18 1/2 inches
Choke: Cylinder bore
Capacity: 7+ 1
Sights: Fiber-optic front, ghost-ring rear
Trigger Pull Weight: 5 pounds
Overall Length: 39 inches
Length of Pull: 14 inches
Weight: 7 1/2 pounds


plan to add a TLR1 or 2 light w/ remote switch

[nhgunnut]

Nothing says serious Like a 12 ga.

[RACER X]

or more serious then a semi-auto 12ga

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-_tcNaWpdc&feature=related

[Particle Man]

Semi. Sweeeeet

[askmrjesus]

You're going to put your eye out.

JC

[marko138]

Awesome. I want to buy another gun.

[Amber Lamps]

Awesome. I want to buy another gun.

I just bought 4 more permits myself....:whistle:

[marko138]

I just bought 4 more permits myself....:whistle:
You have to have a permit for each gun?

[LeeNetworX]

I like it, but nothing tells someone you mean business like the CHIK-CHACK sound that a pump-action makes.

[OneSickPsycho]

got one of these

http://www.gunreports.com/media/newspics/Mossberg930.jpg

Model: 930 SPX
Gauge: 12, 2 3/4- and 3-inch
Action Type: Gas-operated semi-automatic
Stock: Synthetic
Receiver: Steel
Barrel Length: 18 1/2 inches
Choke: Cylinder bore
Capacity: 7+ 1
Sights: Fiber-optic front, ghost-ring rear
Trigger Pull Weight: 5 pounds
Overall Length: 39 inches
Length of Pull: 14 inches
Weight: 7 1/2 pounds


plan to add a TLR1 or 2 light w/ remote switch

I think you may have just found my next gun purchase for me... Thank you.

[Dave]

I want a saiga. Super illegal here though

[marko138]

I want a saiga. Super illegal here though
What isn't?

[Dave]

What isn't?

Beastiality...oh wait

[jtemple]

or more serious then a semi-auto 12gaI'll take the simplicity of a pump over a semi-auto for a HD shotgun any day of the week.

I like it, but nothing tells someone you mean business like the CHIK-CHACK sound that a pump-action makes.When I had one, mine was stored with a round chambered. You weren't hearing shit until I pulled the trigger. I'm not letting anyone know that I'm aware of them, or where I am.

[Rider]

Browning BPS. There is no other shotgun worth a shit.

[Papa_Complex]

Nothing says serious Like a 12 ga.

... except for a 10ga.

[wildchild]

I have a Browning semi auto and just for shits and giggles I bought a Stoeger over/under. still miss my pump though so may get another one some day.

[OneSickPsycho]

I'll take the simplicity of a pump over a semi-auto for a HD shotgun any day of the week.

When I had one, mine was stored with a round chambered. You weren't hearing shit until I pulled the trigger. I'm not letting anyone know that I'm aware of them, or where I am.

Ah, but if it's dark then you may shoot them in the back... which isn't good when the LEO's show up... One pump and EVERYONE turns in your direction... Much easier to make a case for "he was coming right at me."

[CasterTroy]

I wish I had a gun :tremble:


Nice stick Ed! I still want that .45 of yours :rockwoot:

[nhgunnut]

... except for a 10ga.
I would agree I guess .. but many years ago in my wayward youth I recall the unmistakable sound of a 12 Ga pump cycling behind my right ear..I can tell you it is a fabulous stool softener

[marko138]

Ah, but if it's dark then you may shoot them in the back... which isn't good when the LEO's show up... One pump and EVERYONE turns in your direction... Much easier to make a case for "he was coming right at me."
Valid point.

[askmrjesus]

One pump and EVERYONE turns in your direction... Much easier to make a case for "he was coming right at me."

You, maybe...

If I hear that sound, I tend to go the other direction.

Quickly.

JC

[Papa_Complex]

I would agree I guess .. but many years ago in my wayward youth I recall the unmistakable sound of a 12 Ga pump cycling behind my right ear..I can tell you it is a fabulous stool softener

The sound of salt impacting an apple tree 5 feet away tends to do much the same thing :lol:

[Particle Man]

The sound of salt impacting an apple tree 5 feet away tends to do much the same thing :lol:

100% truth

[Adeptus_Minor]

I like it, but nothing tells someone you mean business like the CHIK-CHACK sound that a pump-action makes.

Chambering a round with with a semi-auto makes enough noise. :wink:

A lot of people prefer the tactical reliability of pump action, but semi-autos are perfectly fine. You just have to find a load that works well with your gas action and stick with it.
For example, my Remington 1100 20 ga. never has cycled reliably with low brass loads, but high brass I can shoot all day without so much as a hiccup.

[azoomm]

You, maybe...

If I hear that sound, I tend to go the other direction.

Quickly.

JC

You and most other people... it worked well in a home invasion. All I had to do was pump and yell "Get the Fuck Out" and they left....

[RACER X]

I'll take the simplicity of a pump over a semi-auto for a HD shotgun any day of the week.

When I had one, mine was stored with a round chambered. You weren't hearing shit until I pulled the trigger. I'm not letting anyone know that I'm aware of them, or where I am.

Here's the situation

Wife's at home, alarm goes off,guy ( or maybe more then 1) bust thru door, Z loads 1 up, fires at guy

Is she gonna be in the right frame of mind to pump and shoot again?
Or is it easier to keep pulling the trigger

Both take action to load, 1 keeps on firing, 1 has to be pumped again to fire.

Troy, I fondled an STI guardian, that'll be my next gun and made in TX ta boot!

[Rangerscott]

I want a saiga. Super illegal here though


You can't own one of these?


http://modernizedcaveman.com/pics/Saiga.jpg

[Rangerscott]

You and most other people... it worked well in a home invasion. All I had to do was pump and yell "Get the Fuck Out" and they left....

I don't know if I could ever leave you. Even if you are holding a shotgun.............pointed at my balls.

[askmrjesus]

I don't know if I could ever leave you. Even if you are holding a shotgun.............pointed at my balls.

Bring flowers.

They'll look nice on your casket. :lol:

JC

[Dave]

You can't own one of these?


http://modernizedcaveman.com/pics/Saiga.jpg

http://izhevsk.club.guns.ru/images/saiga12p.jpg

ak shotgun, try to keep up :lol:

[Rangerscott]

Bring flowers.

They'll look nice on your casket. :lol:

JC


Multitasking. I like how you think.

[101lifts2]

Why not just get a handgun?

[Adeptus_Minor]

Why not just get a handgun?

Shotguns are easier to aim in a hurry, have superior stopping power, and can do so with less wall penetration than a high caliber handgun.

[RACER X]

Why not just get a handgun?

already have 1

need another handgun.

1 for concealed and 1 to keep at home

anybody have opinions on sti engineering 45's? made in TX!

[Particle Man]

Why not just get a handgun?

Intimidation factor. And they're just plain fun as hell.

[LeeNetworX]

Why not just get a handgun?

I'd rather my wife have a shotgun in her hands than a handgun, should she have to protect herself against an intruder(s) and I wasn't there. Her aim could be off due to emotions/being jarred out of sleep/etc. and she could still do some damage with it.

[Adeptus_Minor]

anybody have opinions on sti engineering 45's? made in TX!

I've toured their shop... real great bunch. :dthumb:
They actually make parts for some of the other big name custom shops.

My roommate bought one of their more modestly priced 1911's. Early on he experienced a problem.. a broken bushing, I think?
He put in a call to the shop and they told him to bring it in (Georgetown is right up the road)
While he waited, one of the gunsmiths replaced not only the broken part, but polished the feed ramp and replaced a couple of parts he "didn't like the look of".
He then took it to their indoor range and put ~50 rds through it to make sure everything was in order.

To me, that kind of service speaks for itself. Were I in the market for a 1911, I would feel very comfortable buying an STI.

[Mudpuppy]

nice looking shotgun.. i just won't own anything other than a pump and if it is 12 gauge it must take 3-1/2" rounds for me.. that is why i have the 835 ulti mag...

[LeeNetworX]

Thanks, Ed. I haven't been able to get Evil Dead: AoD quotes/scenes out of my head for the past day, now.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Thanks, Ed. I haven't been able to get Evil Dead: AoD quotes/scenes out of my head for the past day, now.

Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up!

[azoomm]

Here's the situation

Wife's at home, alarm goes off,guy ( or maybe more then 1) bust thru door, Z loads 1 up, fires at guy

Is she gonna be in the right frame of mind to pump and shoot again?
Or is it easier to keep pulling the trigger

Both take action to load, 1 keeps on firing, 1 has to be pumped again to fire.

Troy, I fondled an STI guardian, that'll be my next gun and made in TX ta boot!

First of all, your scenario is crap.

If the alarm went off without someone already in the house, what do you have? A perimeter alarm? And, if they BUST through the door she won't have the piece of mind to load one, let alone get another round off.

You bought it because it's badass, that's ok. If you bought it for her to use in home protection, best have her fire it a few times in a controlled environment. A 12-gauge can do a number on your shoulder when you KNOW what it's going to do.

Though, I'm a fan of a shotgun as home protection when you don't have a billion rooms. From a distance, accuracy isn't really an issue. The bummer comes in when the shit goes through your head that someone is around any wall - and it's you or them - a longer weapon can be used against you easier than a handgun [barrel grabbed around a corner, etc].

[wildchild]

yeah you can't be thinking about loading it when someone is breaking in. it either stays ready and loaded or locked up and secure. you can't have both.

with small kids in your house i would vote for locked up and secure. buy your kids a nice puppy, you'd be surprised how much even a chiuahua can do to ward off thugs.

just a note, there are no small children in my home. :skep:

[squidward]

already have 1

need another handgun.

1 for concealed and 1 to keep at home

anybody have opinions on sti engineering 45's? made in TX!

Don't get frustrated when you're breaking it in. My STI Off-duty was really tight and resulted in several failures until I got the first thousand through it.....now it runs smooth and troublefree.

[CasterTroy]

My STI Off-duty was really tight and resulted in several failures until I got the first thousand through it.


:tremble: Wow....I just picked up a 3rd XD and NONE of them have failed even once. The XDm has now had 1500 rounds thru it without the first failure

[101lifts2]

I'd rather my wife have a shotgun in her hands than a handgun, should she have to protect herself against an intruder(s) and I wasn't there. Her aim could be off due to emotions/being jarred out of sleep/etc. and she could still do some damage with it.

Yeah but it looks gaudy on your nightstand. :lol

[Rangerscott]

Nothing says "I'm gonna rape you," than a big black...........shotgun.

[RACER X]

You and most other people... it worked well in a home invasion. All I had to do was pump and yell "Get the Fuck Out" and they left....



First of all, your scenario is crap.

If the alarm went off without someone already in the house, what do you have? A perimeter alarm? And, if they BUST through the door she won't have the piece of mind to load one, let alone get another round off.



if they break into my house, w/ nobody inside, the alarm goes off..........and keeps going , and alarm co. calls the cops.......and?

oh so you're fast and quick thinking enough to rack a round, but others won't be. IC

[RACER X]

holy crap look at these rounds

http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/dt44337/pd1990762/BRENNEKE_SPECIAL_FORCES_SHORT_MAGNUM_12GA__5_ROUND S

http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/fileadmin/BrennekeUSA/Law_enforcement/user_upload/Produkte/SF_Short_Magnum_12-gauge_2_3-4_01.jpg

and the home defense round

http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/fileadmin/BrennekeUSA/Law_enforcement/user_upload/Produkte/THD_car_door.jpg

[askmrjesus]

holy crap look at these rounds

http://www.tds-us.com/catalog.php/tds/dt44337/pd1990762/BRENNEKE_SPECIAL_FORCES_SHORT_MAGNUM_12GA__5_ROUND S

http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/fileadmin/BrennekeUSA/Law_enforcement/user_upload/Produkte/SF_Short_Magnum_12-gauge_2_3-4_01.jpg

and the home defense round

http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/fileadmin/BrennekeUSA/Law_enforcement/user_upload/Produkte/THD_car_door.jpg

If you're ever invaded by sheets of aluminum, those are perfect! :dthumb:

Facepalm.

JC

[RACER X]

here's some nice pics of one

http://spinr.smugmug.com/Guns-Stuff/Mossberg-930-SPX/IMG0050/763661483_8DAZt-M.jpg

http://spinr.smugmug.com/Guns-Stuff/Shotguns/Mossberg-930-SPX/IMG0014/765532331_HrRSn-M.jpg

http://spinr.smugmug.com/Guns-Stuff/Shotguns/Mossberg-930-SPX/IMG0022/765532708_ZsAqe-M.jpg

http://spinr.smugmug.com/Guns-Stuff/Shotguns/Mossberg-930-SPX/IMG0028/765532950_8X2jj-M.jpg


and yes i do plan to get that ft rail mt.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u46/TuckaBlaze/Misc/IMG_1643.jpg

[squidward]

:tremble: Wow....I just picked up a 3rd XD and NONE of them have failed even once. The XDm has now had 1500 rounds thru it without the first failure

My XD-45 service model has been a very reliable piece, but it just does not shoot as accurately as my Off-duty. I'd carry either one without hesitation.

[Papa_Complex]

If you're ever invaded by sheets of aluminum, those are perfect! :dthumb:

Facepalm.

JC

Also useful if you want to take out a home invader AND avoid the cost of a messy divorce, simultaneously.

[askmrjesus]

Also useful if you want to take out a home invader AND avoid the cost of a messy divorce, simultaneously.

And your neighbors dog, the kid down the street...

JC

[Papa_Complex]

And your neighbors dog, the kid down the street...

JC

"Now available, for home defence, Winchester's new 12 gauge APFSDSDU rounds. For when taking out the guy hiding behind your refrigerator isn't an option, it's a necessity!

May cause internal bleeding, sterility, impotence, and death in some (most) users. "

[marko138]

My XD-45 service model has been a very reliable piece, but it just does not shoot as accurately as my Off-duty. I'd carry either one without hesitation.

I'd love for the XD45 to be my next purchase...but it probably won't be. Probably a 9mm SC.

[jtemple]

Ah, but if it's dark then you may shoot them in the back... which isn't good when the LEO's show up... One pump and EVERYONE turns in your direction... Much easier to make a case for "he was coming right at me."
Now that depends on what state you live in.

[jtemple]

Here's the situation

Wife's at home, alarm goes off,guy ( or maybe more then 1) bust thru door, Z loads 1 up, fires at guy

Is she gonna be in the right frame of mind to pump and shoot again?
Or is it easier to keep pulling the trigger

Both take action to load, 1 keeps on firing, 1 has to be pumped again to fire.

Troy, I fondled an STI guardian, that'll be my next gun and made in TX ta boot!That's what practice is for.

[jtemple]

Though, I'm a fan of a shotgun as home protection when you don't have a billion rooms. From a distance, accuracy isn't really an issue. The bummer comes in when the shit goes through your head that someone is around any wall - and it's you or them - a longer weapon can be used against you easier than a handgun [barrel grabbed around a corner, etc].That's why you don't go "clearing the house" when it's you vs. however many other people. You hole up in one room, with your family. There's one door to watch. If anything comes through it, you shoot.

I don't give a shit about my TV, they can have it. That's what homeowner's insurance is for. I'm there to protect what can't be replaced.

[marko138]

That's why you don't go "clearing the house" when it's you vs. however many other people. You hole up in one room, with your family. There's one door to watch. If anything comes through it, you shoot.

I don't give a shit about my TV, they can have it. That's what homeowner's insurance is for. I'm there to protect what can't be replaced.
True story.

[Amber Lamps]

True story.

It's the same story I tell everyday when I install home security systems.

[Hydrant]

That's why you don't go "clearing the house" when it's you vs. however many other people. You hole up in one room, with your family. There's one door to watch. If anything comes through it, you shoot.

I don't give a shit about my TV, they can have it. That's what homeowner's insurance is for. I'm there to protect what can't be replaced.


My thoughts exactly.

[azoomm]

That's why you don't go "clearing the house" when it's you vs. however many other people. You hole up in one room, with your family. There's one door to watch. If anything comes through it, you shoot.

I don't give a shit about my TV, they can have it. That's what homeowner's insurance is for. I'm there to protect what can't be replaced.

That's a great idea... if you don't have anyone else in the house, like kids.

If someone breaks in to steal something, I'm with you in that is why I have insurance. I'm just saying, his scenario is flawed. Hollywood has painted a bad picture of how a home invasion happens...

[Hydrant]

I live in a 2000 sq ft ranch. I'm already at a disadvantage when it comes to finding a place to retreat. I would have very little if any time, if someone were to break in. My bedroom window is about 6 feet off the ground whereas my kitchen window is about 2 feet off the front porch. If you have a guy that's good and knows how to get in a home without noise, then he could be in my room in a matter of seconds and I wouldn't have a chance to get the shotty from the closet or the Glock in the night stand. I just hope that I get the jackass thats kicking the door in or throwing a rock. So I have a few seconds to gather myself.

I just hope that it never happens, and I can talk about what ifs

[LeeNetworX]

While on the subject.....this was in the local news.

http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-69-year-old-grandma-shoots-intruder-with-her-38-Special/

[caveman]

Ah, but if it's dark then you may shoot them in the back... which isn't good when the LEO's show up... One pump and EVERYONE turns in your direction... Much easier to make a case for "he was coming right at me."

I must agree with AMJ on this one. I hear that sound and I am on the deck. Course 8.5 years in the army and 5 years on a private corp. security force with specialized training will do that to you.

[fnfalman]

If it ain't drum-fed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj_QxpJh8JE

[jtemple]

That's a great idea... if you don't have anyone else in the house, like kids.

If someone breaks in to steal something, I'm with you in that is why I have insurance. I'm just saying, his scenario is flawed. Hollywood has painted a bad picture of how a home invasion happens...Oh, I have a kid. Priority number one is to get him. He's right down the hall in a 2-story home with two large dogs. I'll have plenty of warning to get there.

[jtemple]

I live in a 2000 sq ft ranch. I'm already at a disadvantage when it comes to finding a place to retreat. I would have very little if any time, if someone were to break in. My bedroom window is about 6 feet off the ground whereas my kitchen window is about 2 feet off the front porch. If you have a guy that's good and knows how to get in a home without noise, then he could be in my room in a matter of seconds and I wouldn't have a chance to get the shotty from the closet or the Glock in the night stand. I just hope that I get the jackass thats kicking the door in or throwing a rock. So I have a few seconds to gather myself.

I just hope that it never happens, and I can talk about what ifsGet a dog, any kind of dog. Preferably one that barks. That'll give you all the warning you need. If you get something noisy, like a sheltie, it'll be barking at anything within 100' of the house.

[marko138]

Get a dog, any kind of dog. Preferably one that barks. That'll give you all the warning you need. If you get something noisy, like a sheltie, it'll be barking at anything within 100' of the house.
For sure. They say small dogs are more sensitive to noises. So I guess the thinking is have a small dog to make the initial noise and a big dog to make the loud noises and possibly bite when needed.

My dog makes a lot of noise, but I doubt he's gonna bite anyone. I dont need him to though. I just need him to make me aware of whats going on.

[jtemple]

For sure. They say small dogs are more sensitive to noises. So I guess the thinking is have a small dog to make the initial noise and a big dog to make the loud noises and possibly bite when needed.

My dog makes a lot of noise, but I doubt he's gonna bite anyone. I dont need him to though. I just need him to make me aware of whats going on.My dogs don't bite either. At least if they aren't threatened. I do.

[marko138]

My dogs don't bite either. At least if they aren't threatened. I do.
My dog is a Lab/Golden Retriever mix. So, naturally he thinks everyone is his best friend. But he is very very protective of my wife. He's been agressive toward another dog one time when, I guess, he felt like this dog was a threat to my wife. But by and large I wouldn't count on him to bite an offender. I can handle that so long as Manny wakes me up.

[Rider]

My dog is a Lab/Golden Retriever mix. So, naturally he thinks everyone is his best friend. But he is very very protective of my wife. He's been agressive toward another dog one time when, I guess, he felt like this dog was a threat to my wife. But by and large I wouldn't count on him to bite an offender. I can handle that so long as Manny wakes me up.

I can't count on my boxer to bite anyone but he will alert me in plenty of time to get my wits about me, click off the safety, and chamber a round if need be.

The dog barks like mad at any small noise. Out of a dead sleep in a room away from the front of the house he will start barking at people walking up the driveway long before the knock on the door.

He'd give me enough warning to go down to the basement to the gun safe and bring up my entire weapons cache before anyone made an attempt to enter. :lol

[wildchild]

finally my dogs are the "right ones" LOL we always say the little one is the early warning system or bait. I don't think the boxer would ever bite anyone although she looks "scary" to people. although we had a guy try to walk in and she (the boxer) very convincingly made him decide not to continue through the door. until then we had never even heard her growl.

when the poodle is barking her ass off the boxer is usually standing right behind the door quietly.

[azoomm]

My dog is a Lab/Golden Retriever mix. So, naturally he thinks everyone is his best friend. But he is very very protective of my wife. He's been agressive toward another dog one time when, I guess, he felt like this dog was a threat to my wife. But by and large I wouldn't count on him to bite an offender. I can handle that so long as Manny wakes me up.

Again, I understand the sentiment of defending one's self rather than defending a home. I just think the general public has an incorrect understanding of what happens in a home invasion. You could have all the warning in the world, and still not know how to handle yourself.

Don't be too sure of what your dog will or will not do. I have a black lab, and an old dog at that. She scared the crap out of a friend of mine that stopped by to look after her and the house while I was out of town. She might have been wagging her tail - but she came at the front door VERY aggressively with an awesome big-dog bark. Wagging or not, if they would have come through that door she would be VERY loyal to her home and family. I was pleasantly surprised at her action and reaction.

Yes, I have guns, but I wouldn't ever count solely on them for home protection. They have served me well, but that is only because I know how to load and react in the dark. If Ed is wanting to make sure Z is able to handle that weapon and herself... training and retraining is a VERY good idea. ESPECIALLY with children in the house. That goes for both of them.

[OneSickPsycho]

Get a dog, any kind of dog. Preferably one that barks. That'll give you all the warning you need. If you get something noisy, like a sheltie, it'll be barking at anything within 100' of the house.

I can't count on my boxer to bite anyone but he will alert me in plenty of time to get my wits about me, click off the safety, and chamber a round if need be.

The dog barks like mad at any small noise. Out of a dead sleep in a room away from the front of the house he will start barking at people walking up the driveway long before the knock on the door.

He'd give me enough warning to go down to the basement to the gun safe and bring up my entire weapons cache before anyone made an attempt to enter. :lol

You gotta be careful of the false alarms... I know my folks mini-weiner dog fucking barks at everything... she sleep-barks for christ's sake. If the dog barks at everything you may just ignore it and try to go back to sleep, losing valuable seconds in that sort of situation.

[Rider]

You gotta be careful of the false alarms... I know my folks mini-weiner dog fucking barks at everything... she sleep-barks for christ's sake. If the dog barks at everything you may just ignore it and try to go back to sleep, losing valuable seconds in that sort of situation.

No false alarms ever and barking at 3am would be way way out of character.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Dammit, get back to posting picks of shotguns.
That was more fun.

[t-homo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJHnYox1zMc

[OneSickPsycho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJHnYox1zMc

Those legal? I want.

[Adeptus_Minor]

Those legal? I want.

Depends on where you are, but..

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storecategory95.aspx

[Rangerscott]

I'll take an AA-12.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

[Adeptus_Minor]

I'll take an AA-12.


If you ever figure out how to get one legally, be sure to let us know.
Last I heard the company had no plans of selling to civilians :idk:

[Dave]

I'll take an AA-12.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

That guy is an epic douchebox

[Riceaholic]

That guy is an epic douchebox

You aren't kidding...

[Rangerscott]

The Whisperer?

[z06boy]

Niiiice :rockout:

[Dave]

The Whisperer?

The obscene phone caller, yes

[fnfalman]

I had gone over to the Dark Side: Saiga 12, baby!!!

Wait till the 20-rounds drums come. Ooooh yeah! The East German paratrooper vest has a pouch in the back that's big enough to take one drum. The other pouches can take some stick mags (probably no bigger than the 8-rounders).

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/PX4SIG556Saiga12014.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/PX4SIG556Saiga12003.jpg
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/PX4SIG556Saiga12002.jpg