Let me be the first to say.....

[Papa_Complex]

"Shut up, fat boy."

People who VOLUNTEERED for the military are not the same as those who are DRAFTED.

Michael Moore slams Canada on war dodgers (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100916/national/war_dodgers_moore)

Thu Sep 16, 7:55 PM

By Colin Perkel, The Canadian Press
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TORONTO - Renowned left-wing American documentary maker Michael Moore on Thursday blasted Canada's position on U.S. war dodgers as shameful.

Speaking at the Toronto International Film Festival, Moore said Ottawa's refusal to allow U.S. soldiers opposed to the war in Iraq to find safe haven in this country betrays what the country once stood for.

"It is absolutely shameful how Canada has behaved toward those who have resisted this war," Moore said.

"It's not the Canada that we used to know."

Moore, who has produced several acclaimed documentaries, noted Canada was sympathetic to American soldiers who refused to fight in Vietnam in the 1970s.

Draft dodgers who fled the U.S. for Canada were allowed to stay here and many became productive citizens, even after they were allowed to return home.

"This country was so generous to those of my generation who did not want to kill Vietnamese and opened the doors," Moore said.

"They stayed here, most of them, after clemency was granted, raised families here, became Canadians and contributed."

Scores of American soldiers have deserted in opposition to the war on Iraq — some after deployment, others pre-deployment — and fled to Canada beginning more than six years ago.

None has been successful in seeking asylum in Canada, with bids for refugee status denied on the grounds that they would be prosecuted, not persecuted, if they returned to the U.S.

Their cases remain caught up in labyrinthine refugee hearings and various appeals.

Some who have gone back either voluntarily or after deportation have been jailed for desertion, but those who stay maintain they should not have to face punishment for opposing a war they call illegal.

The federal government has maintained the U.S. military is a volunteer defence force, in contrast to the forced draft that many young Americans faced in the Vietnam War era.

Still, the House of Commons, in a non-binding motion, called on the government in 2008 to allow those who refused to serve in Iraq on conscientious grounds to remain in Canada.

Bill C-440, currently before the Commons, would force the government to allow the deserting soldiers to apply for permanent residence in Canada.

Canada refused to join the U.S.-led war on Iraq, arguing it had no United Nations sanction.

Moore said Canadians are sympathetic to the war-dodger cause.

"Canadian people have a good heart and are a peaceful people," he said.

"They've always seen themselves as people that want to try to negotiate peace but they've gotten caught up in participating in war."

Moore's latest film, "Capitalism: A Love Story," released a year ago, looked at the financial crisis.

Other works include "Bowling for Columbine" and "Sicko."

[goof2]

"Shut up, fat boy."

People who VOLUNTEERED for the military are not the same as those who are DRAFTED.

Why are you surprised? Moore has never much cared for the facts that don't fit the narrative he is trying to sell.

[Papa_Complex]

Why are you surprised? Moore has never much cared for the facts that don't fit the narrative he is trying to sell.

I'm not surprised. I just wanted to tell him to shut up ;)

[Smittie61984]

Why doesn't that fucking tool just move there? Is the food structure not good enough to support him?

[z06boy]

That's one fvck that I wish would just go away.

[Papa_Complex]

Why doesn't that fucking tool just move there? Is the food structure not good enough to support him?

We don't want him. You fuckers birthed him; you can keep him.

[Rider]

We don't want him. You fuckers birthed him; you can keep him.

You Canadians seem to be more accepting of asshats. You can have him.

[Trip]

We don't want him. You fuckers birthed him; you can keep him.

well fucking take back celine dion for the love of god, you fuckers seem disinterested in getting her back.

It's Michigan's fault as usual.

[derf]

well fucking take back celine dion for the love of god, you fuckers seem disinterested in getting her back.

It's Michigan's fault as usual.

Yeh thats the real problem nobody wants her

[Papa_Complex]

You Canadians seem to be more accepting of asshats. You can have him.

No, we're just more polite about it. We say, "Will you PLEASE get the fuck out of our country?"

well fucking take back celine dion for the love of god, you fuckers seem disinterested in getting her back.

It's Michigan's fault as usual.

We've already been through that. You made out pretty well on that trade. Besides, she's already got her anchor baby.

[KSGregman]

We've already been through that. You made out pretty well on that trade. Besides, she's already got her anchor baby.

Like hell.....You're lucky we didn't nuke Toronto for that little stunt....siccing fucking Celione Dion on us.

Worlds longest undefended border and all of that. You can bet that the northern border would be overflown 24/7 with Global Hawks and Predators had we known what you had in store for us with that bitch. :lmao:

[Smittie61984]

It's Michigan's fault as usual.

We should put Celine Dion and Michael Moore in Michigan, then build a giant fucking dome over it so nothing can come in or out. Not even air.

[Kaneman]

Wait, is he somehow suggesting that Americans are trying to seek asylum in Canada to avoid going to war in Iraq/Afghanistan? I don't get it...

[Rider]

Wait, is he somehow suggesting that Americans are trying to seek asylum in Canada to avoid going to war in Iraq/Afghanistan? I don't get it...

Probably soldiers that come back mid tour and run to Canada in order to not go back. People don't volunteer and just run away before than get sent to the sand box.

[Kaneman]

Probably soldiers that come back mid tour and run to Canada in order to not go back. People don't volunteer and just run away before than get sent to the sand box.

Oh, ok gotcha.

Anyway, Canada is definitely under the U.S. thumb for this kind of stuff now. Just look at Emery.

[Dave]

Why hasn't cholesterol done the inevitable yet? Bs. And I don't mind celine, you can send her to my house

[Smittie61984]

Probably soldiers that come back mid tour and run to Canada in order to not go back. People don't volunteer and just run away before than get sent to the sand box.

Or they find out they didn't get the job the recruiter told them of fueling helicopters in Hawaii and are now infantry.

I can sympathize with a draft dodger to some degree. Not some volunteer fuck who is suprised that he might have to go to war after joining the all volunteer Army. I mean WTF were you thinking when you joined the Army? And if you wanted to be in the military but not be a door knocker then why didn't you join the Air Force or Navy?

Wouldn't 100years ago, doing an action like that get you lined up in front of a firing squad?

[Dave]

Or they find out they didn't get the job the recruiter told them of fueling helicopters in Hawaii and are now infantry.

I can sympathize with a draft dodger to some degree. Not some volunteer fuck who is suprised that he might have to go to war after joining the all volunteer Army. I mean WTF were you thinking when you joined the Army? And if you wanted to be in the military but not be a door knocker then why didn't you join the Air Force or Navy?

Wouldn't 100years ago, doing an action like that get you lined up in front of a firing squad?

Law still dictates execution for desertion. Pesky politics gets in the way though, damn shame

[goof2]

Wait, is he somehow suggesting that Americans are trying to seek asylum in Canada to avoid going to war in Iraq/Afghanistan? I don't get it...

No, he is stating that as fact. What he is bitching about is Canada sending them back to the US for prosecution. There were plenty of Americans who went over the border in to Canada to avoid military service during the Vietnam era. Canada allowed them to stay to avoid prosecution.

Moore is bent that Canada isn't granting the same privilege to those trying to do the same thing today. What he ignores is Canada has apparently decided to differentiate between those subjected to compulsory service (draft during Vietnam) and those who gladly volunteered to serve when they thought it meant three hots, a cot, money, programs for college, and learning a trade but changed their minds once the possibility of people shooting at them was factored in (all volunteer during Iraq/Afghanistan).

[Papa_Complex]

Like hell.....You're lucky we didn't nuke Toronto for that little stunt....siccing fucking Celione Dion on us.

Worlds longest undefended border and all of that. You can bet that the northern border would be overflown 24/7 with Global Hawks and Predators had we known what you had in store for us with that bitch. :lmao:

You would nuke Toronto, Ontario because of a girl from Charlemagne, Quebec?! At least nuke Montreal.

[Mudpuppy]

michael moore is a fucking tool..

[derf]

I hope that everyone realizes that as of sept 2007 the last person who joined the military pre-9/11 has had the chance to get out, and has either re-enlisted or joined for the first time since then. Not only did people join an all volunteer force, they also joined a military that is currently busy doing its job.

Not only that but Moore is a complete ass hat who is just looking to keep in the limelight until his next movie comes out

[Adeptus_Minor]

Not only that but Moore is a complete ass hat who is just looking to keep in the limelight until his next movie comes out

Something has to keep his ass in crullers. :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

Something has to keep his ass in crullers. :lol:

Might I suggest a job as a pastry chef then?

[101lifts2]

Why doesn't that fucking tool just move there? Is the food structure not good enough to support him?

Cause then how could he of made millions?

That guy seriously needs to be punched in the face. Real hard.

[101lifts2]

You Canadians seem to be more accepting of asshats. You can have him.

:lol

[wildchild]

That's one fvck that I wish would just go away.

or at least go deer huniting so someone could have an "accident"

[OneSickPsycho]

or at least go deer huniting so someone could have an "accident"

I'm sure Cheney would take him hunting.

[wildchild]

I'm sure Cheney would take him hunting.

nah, he'd (Moore) know that was a set up LOL nobody in their right mind would hunt with Cheney

[Smittie61984]

I'm sure Cheney would take him hunting.

When Cheney shot that lawyer, it was probably the only time a VP had an approval rating of 99%.

[Trip]

michael moore is a fucking tool..

you Michigan fucks are responsible for him, do something about it.

[KSGregman]

You would nuke Toronto, Ontario because of a girl from Charlemagne, Quebec?! At least nuke Montreal.

Hmmmm....fair point.

Those Frenchies have been asking for it anyway. :lmao:

[z06boy]

When Cheney shot that lawyer, it was probably the only time a VP had an approval rating of 99%.

nah, he'd (Moore) know that was a set up LOL nobody in their right mind would hunt with Cheney

I'm sure Cheney would take him hunting.

or at least go deer huniting so someone could have an "accident"

:rofl: :rofl:

[Mudpuppy]

you Michigan fucks are responsible for him, do something about it.

:didntdo:

[Papa_Complex]

Hmmmm....fair point.

Those Frenchies have been asking for it anyway. :lmao:

Damned straight. It seems like Quebec gets half of the national arts budget, so that they can thumb their nose at the rest of the country. Toast Quebec and you'll never have to worry about another Celine Dion. If the fallout makes it a little further out than Kingston, then you'd never fear another Avril Lavigne either.