View Full Version : Picked up two modern guns - Beretta PX4 Storm and SIG 556
fnfalman
09-17-2010, 09:32 PM
Modern guns haven't interested me much lately but I figured what the hell, it's time to try something new and see what's going on. A quick trip to the local gun shop and I ended up with these two PLUS a little something-something on layaway.
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Akilldema
09-17-2010, 10:07 PM
What do you think of the Sig? Had a friend that was considering getting one recently.
pauldun170
09-17-2010, 10:52 PM
thats a very orange shirt you got there
nice purchase
Rangerscott
09-17-2010, 11:45 PM
CDNN is giving a free.22 sig rifle with 5.56 sig purchase
fnfalman
09-18-2010, 12:29 AM
What do you think of the Sig? Had a friend that was considering getting one recently.
So far I'm not too particularly impressed with all the plasticky parts. We shall see tomorrow when I take it blasting.
thats a very orange shirt you got there
KTM, baby!!! Big Orange.
Homeslice
09-18-2010, 01:43 AM
The Beretta looks interesting........I'm not a fan of their dime-a-dozen government-issue 92/96 models, they are too heavy for their caliber, and their grips are too thick.
Adeptus_Minor
09-18-2010, 01:45 AM
CDNN is giving a free.22 sig rifle with 5.56 sig purchase
:whatwhat:
No shit?! I need to look that up...
(that is.. if I had money :( )
Twobanger
09-18-2010, 08:45 AM
CDNN=evil temptation. Especially if you sign up for email.
The Sig is nice. Is that the folding stock model (hard to tell on this phone)? My Neos turned me off to Beretta.
RACER X
09-18-2010, 09:35 AM
It's not folding, it's collapsable
Nice purchase, next for me will be either a cheap handgun for the car or an " assault" type weapon ar or that sig
Rangerscott
09-18-2010, 08:06 PM
I think they still have the ar sale going on. I got the $600 s&w ar15.
Porkchop
09-18-2010, 11:34 PM
The Beretta looks interesting........I'm not a fan of their dime-a-dozen government-issue 92/96 models, they are too heavy for their caliber, and their grips are too thick.
My buddy just got a clean used 92fs from Gander Mountain. Not very impressed with it by holding it, especially compared to my XD-9. That might change once I shoot it.
Now his brother's 96 I like a little better. Not sure what model 96 it is though.
fnfalman
09-19-2010, 01:48 AM
Dude, you own a Croatian Abortion and you're not impressed by a Beretta 92FS?
So, if you roll up on a Yugo, you're not impressed by an Alpha Romeo either?
Homeslice
09-19-2010, 02:54 AM
Dude, you own a Croatian Abortion and you're not impressed by a Beretta 92FS?
Why would anyone be impressed by the most common, generic gun in the world? I'm sure it's got good build quality, but other than that, it's boring because it's so common. And it's too heavy for a 9mm, IMO.
Porkchop
09-19-2010, 03:11 AM
Dude, you own a Croatian Abortion and you're not impressed by a Beretta 92FS?
So, if you roll up on a Yugo, you're not impressed by an Alpha Romeo either?
Croation Abortion? It's standard issue law enforcement/military as the HS2000. You act like its a dog. Infact, if I remember correctly the original version has won awards by the SIAE, and my friend just mentioned that the XDM-9 just won handgun of the year from them and other magazine publications this past year.
As far as the 92, like I said... I havnt fired his yet. But initial impressions didnt leave me with any good feelings. The weighting was weird, it was heavy, and it didnt fit my hand well. His 96 felt MUCH better.
BTW, i was just in Europe for a couple weeks. I'd totally rock a 159, Brera, or 8C compitizione... :rockwoot:
fnfalman
09-19-2010, 03:56 AM
Why would anyone be impressed by the most common, generic gun in the world? I'm sure it's got good build quality, but other than that, it's boring because it's so common. And it's too heavy for a 9mm, IMO.
Most common? Try a Glock. Talk about common.
Too heavy? Lift some weights. Jesus H. Christ, how wimpy can you people be?
Croation Abortion? It's standard issue law enforcement/military as the HS2000. You act like its a dog. Infact, if I remember correctly the original version has won awards by the SIAE, and my friend just mentioned that the XDM-9 just won handgun of the year from them and other magazine publications this past year.
As far as the 92, like I said... I havnt fired his yet. But initial impressions didnt leave me with any good feelings. The weighting was weird, it was heavy, and it didnt fit my hand well. His 96 felt MUCH better.
BTW, i was just in Europe for a couple weeks. I'd totally rock a 159, Brera, or 8C compitizione... :rockwoot:
The HS2000 was a decent, inexpensive handgun.
The XD is twice the price for the same thing. How does it feel to grossly overpay on something like that? Also let me know when the XD/HS2000 is being accepted by any major fighting unit.
You complain that the 92 didn't fit your hand well and that's why you aren't impressed? Guess what? The XD probably doesn't fit a lot of people's hands either. Should it be dismissed or degraded because the grip doesn't fit everybody's hands?
Why would anyone be impressed by the most common, generic gun in the world? I'm sure it's got good build quality, but other than that, it's boring because it's so common. And it's too heavy for a 9mm, IMO.
You know the weight makes it more controlable right? I'm with fal here, lift some damn weights
Croation Abortion? It's standard issue law enforcement/military as the HS2000. You act like its a dog. Infact, if I remember correctly the original version has won awards by the SIAE, and my friend just mentioned that the XDM-9 just won handgun of the year from them and other magazine publications this past year.
As far as the 92, like I said... I havnt fired his yet. But initial impressions didnt leave me with any good feelings. The weighting was weird, it was heavy, and it didnt fit my hand well. His 96 felt MUCH better.
BTW, i was just in Europe for a couple weeks. I'd totally rock a 159, Brera, or 8C compitizione... :rockwoot:
Same shit different caliber.
Fal, I demoed the px4 a couple of years back. Iirc the trigger was so light and long it gave me issues, much preferred the full framed usp45 and beretta 92 brigadier vertec I fired afterward
racedoll
09-19-2010, 01:54 PM
Nice fnfalman! As long as you like them, good! I liked the PX4 9mm, never shot the 45 but I'm sure it is nice too.
Not a fan of the other kind you got there, but to each their own.
The XD is twice the price for the same thing. How does it feel to grossly overpay on something like that? Also let me know when the XD/HS2000 is being accepted by any major fighting unit.
Really? I find around here the Beretta's being much more expensive than the Springfield's. Awesome if you got the Beretta for a good price.
nhgunnut
09-19-2010, 06:11 PM
Dude, you own a Croatian Abortion and you're not impressed by a Beretta 92FS?
So, if you roll up on a Yugo, you're not impressed by an Alpha Romeo either?
Sorry FNfalman Respectfully, I will take My XD over the Open slide on the 92. Both good guns I like the XD better.
But when it has to work every time give me a Wheel Gun.
How about giving us a write up on the Sig?
Amber Lamps
09-19-2010, 06:52 PM
You know? For a guy that loves to rip on the equipment of others...you're kind of touchy...just saying.
fnfalman
09-19-2010, 07:29 PM
You know? For a guy that loves to rip on the equipment of others...you're kind of touchy...just saying.
Honest, learned criticism is one thing, stupid evaluation is another.
fnfalman
09-19-2010, 07:41 PM
Fal, I demoed the px4 a couple of years back. Iirc the trigger was so light and long it gave me issues, much preferred the full framed usp45 and beretta 92 brigadier vertec I fired afterward
The trigger is fairly light in single action, and rather heavy in double action. I must admit that it will take me a bit to get used to the PX4 Storm than the USPC45 that I have. I can do some decent groups on SA, but DA is pretty bad right now. With PMC 230-grain FMJ, it shoots a bit low but dead on. The DA pulls heavily low and to the right. I'll go out next time and practice some more on it. I think that the PX4 has some potential with precision shooting, but not with the factory sights. The factory sights are big and easy to pick up, but also too coarse for precision shooting. Of course that's the point of these kinds of handguns - quick shooting. But it would be nice to see how they really perform with slow fire practice. You never know when you might have to do a head shot at 25-yards.
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Sorry FNfalman Respectfully, I will take My XD over the Open slide on the 92. Both good guns I like the XD better.
But when it has to work every time give me a Wheel Gun.
How about giving us a write up on the Sig?
If you think that the open slide of the 92 is a bad design, then by all means. Just remember that it passed the US Army Board of Ordnance test TWICE against all the other Wondernines.
The SIG just barely got zeroed in, so there's not much to tell. I zeroed it in at 25-meters. I don't care for the SIG red dot sight too much. You have to loosen the elevation locking nut, THEN adjust the elevation, THEN tightened the elevation locking nut down so that it won't wander. WTF, over? The trigger is pretty light but long with the take-up - typical military trigger. I shot a box of PMC 55-grains ball and 2 boxes of Russian 62-grains ball. It seemed to cycle the Russkie steel casing just fine. Accuracy is acceptable at 25-meter which ain't shit. We shall see the next time when we extend the range out to 100-meters plus.
As far as wheelguns go, they're the shit. Look at the photo comparison between wheelie rapid fire versus PX4 rapid fire.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f308/fnfalman/Guns/M19M1911Loaded037.jpg
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Amber Lamps
09-19-2010, 08:03 PM
This is 10 yards away?... As in 30 feet? And some of these groups were done with a rifle? Wow. Hey everybody, we can stop worrying about that Chinese military invasion now.... ;) Just messing with you... Your groups are very good! I'm wondering why you can't correct your aim mechanically or physically? Have you tried a sighting stand? You know I'm messing with you right?
fnfalman
09-19-2010, 08:34 PM
This is 10 yards away?... As in 30 feet? And some of these groups were done with a rifle?
I didn't realize that my SIG 556 was chambered in .38 Special and .45ACP. You are indeed a firearms expert. Just messing with you...
Your groups are very good! I'm wondering why you can't correct your aim mechanically or physically? Have you tried a sighting stand? You know I'm messing with you right?
First you establish your shot groups then you worry about the point of impact. Besides, these shot groups were made with PMC ammunition. Remington, Blazer, Winchester and a host of other ammunition may differ in the points of impact. This is basic shooting knowledge, which I'm sure you must be familiar with. You know I'm messing with you, right?
As far as try to use a different sighting stand in order to change the points of impacts, next time I'll try the Flying Crane Stance. If that doesn't work, I'll try Eagle Swoops Down On Owl.
Porkchop
09-19-2010, 08:37 PM
Most common? Try a Glock. Talk about common.
Too heavy? Lift some weights. Jesus H. Christ, how wimpy can you people be?
The XD is twice the price for the same thing. How does it feel to grossly overpay on something like that? Also let me know when the XD/HS2000 is being accepted by any major fighting unit.
You complain that the 92 didn't fit your hand well and that's why you aren't impressed? Guess what? The XD probably doesn't fit a lot of people's hands either. Should it be dismissed or degraded because the grip doesn't fit everybody's hands?
You're talking to a member of the Glock Hater fan club, no need to preach there... :lol:
Yet again, I havn't shot the thing yet, so there is no overall judgment on the gun itself. Its not the weight of the gun, its the distribution of said weight. You just know when something feels right.
I don't know what your talking about price wise. I picked up my used XD with 4 mags, a waist holster, a speed loader, hard case, etc.... for $385 otd. Now we are talking a gun that was so clean, it fooled the gun nuts behind the counter thinking it was new. Fooled me too, but I'm relatively new. They took it apart, and still couldn't believe.
Now on the flip side, Matt paid $470 otd for the 92, and that was after a $50 gift card for them selling him a marked gun. And it only included 2 mags, thats it. And while its in good condition, it is nowhere near as clean. Plus they have one there now that they want over $600 for! Fuck that...
Really? I find around here the Beretta's being much more expensive than the Springfield's. Awesome if you got the Beretta for a good price.
This.... :scratch:
Amber Lamps
09-20-2010, 12:19 AM
Yeesh no sense of humor...besides, I thought the first groups were the rifle and the new hand gun.... Sorry. You know, you used to be rather funny... I wonder what happened ? Anyway, nice weapons, I hope you enjoy them. Adios.
fnfalman
09-20-2010, 12:34 AM
Yeesh no sense of humor...besides, I thought the first groups were the rifle and the new hand gun.... Sorry. You know, you used to be rather funny... I wonder what happened ? Anyway, nice weapons, I hope you enjoy them. Adios.
Funny how? Funny as in funny HaHa?
Porkchop
09-20-2010, 12:34 AM
Yeesh no sense of humor...besides, I thought the first groups were the rifle and the new hand gun.... Sorry. You know, you used to be rather funny... I wonder what happened ? Anyway, nice weapons, I hope you enjoy them. Adios.
Didn't he move to butt fuck nowhere??? Whats the update on that FN? I checked your thread a couple weeks back but you hadn't updated....
Not getting that UCLA pussy anymore.... :lol:
fnfalman
09-20-2010, 12:36 AM
Didn't he move to butt fuck nowhere??? Whats the update on that FN? I checked your thread a couple weeks back but you hadn't updated....
Not getting that UCLA pussy anymore.... :lol:
I'm out in bum fuck egypt Potato Land. What's there to update? Shitty food, ugly chicks, no decent twisties to ride. The only saving grace is that there are some decent gun stores.
Porkchop
09-20-2010, 12:39 AM
I'm out in bum fuck egypt Potato Land. What's there to update? Shitty food, ugly chicks, no decent twisties to ride. The only saving grace is that there are some decent gun stores.
You gotta make due with what you got i guess.... any chances that they'll be able to transfer you back?
fnfalman
09-20-2010, 02:28 AM
any chances that they'll be able to transfer you back?
Who knows? If they do then I'll go. If not then I'll go wherever the job is.
CasterTroy
09-20-2010, 03:14 PM
I'm pretty happy with the 556 up to this point. I've fired about 700 rounds thru it without an issue. And just with the iron sights I can get a 2" grouping from about 30 yards pretty consistantly
http://www.troybaker.com/gun/litewide.jpg
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fnfalman
09-20-2010, 03:17 PM
The iron sight on my 556 is the pitiful backup type and not the diopter sight. It wouldn't be my first choice but as part of the package with the SIG red dot (also not my first choice) and the low price, I ain't complainin' much.
We shall see how it performs next weekend when I'm gonna shoot for 100-meters + targets.
Homeslice
09-20-2010, 03:32 PM
You know the weight makes it more controlable right? I'm with fal here, lift some damn weights
Maybe, but if the weight affects how quickly you can move it around and re-target, what then?
Also the grip is too wide/thick :p
fnfalman
09-20-2010, 05:33 PM
Maybe, but if the weight affects how quickly you can move it around and re-target, what then?
Also the grip is too wide/thick :p
Really? Is that why IPSC top shooters use M1911s? you know, steel framed handguns?
The grip is too thick...for girly men.:p
Homeslice
09-20-2010, 06:17 PM
Really? Is that why IPSC top shooters use M1911s? you know, steel framed handguns?
The grip is too thick...for girly men.:p
Well speaking of 1911's, I like those better...........The grip is thinner :p
My glove size is only 8 (Small), so what do you expect?
Porkchop
09-20-2010, 07:35 PM
Maybe, but if the weight affects how quickly you can move it around and re-target, what then?
Also the grip is too wide/thick :p
I thought the grip was small...... :idk:
Homeslice
09-20-2010, 07:38 PM
I thought the grip was small...... :idk:
Of a 92FS? Compared to what? A 1911/1991 is thinner, at least it feels that way to me.
z06boy
09-21-2010, 10:00 AM
Nice new toys. Must give you credit...you do purchase nice stuff.
Maybe, but if the weight affects how quickly you can move it around and re-target, what then?
Also the grip is too wide/thick :p
Aquiring targets has never been an issue for me with the 92. As for your hands: blame god, blame your ancestors, then try a vertec. The lower frame is a more modern vertical style that can fit smaller hands easier, also features a tac rail for lights, lasers, etc
http://www.justpistols.co.uk/s1a_001.jpg
Homeslice
09-21-2010, 11:02 AM
Aquiring targets has never been an issue for me with the 92. As for your hands: blame god, blame your ancestors, then try a vertec. The lower frame is a more modern vertical style that can fit smaller hands easier, also features a tac rail for lights, lasers, etc
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Hmm, looks good, thanks. BTW what do you think about whether to press your other hand's index finger against the trigger guard when you are using a two-handed grip? That is how I was taught, but I read that some people disagree.
Hmm, looks good, thanks. BTW what do you think about whether to press your other hand's index finger against the trigger guard when you are using a two-handed grip? That is how I was taught, but I read that some people disagree.
My dad uses it, I've never liked it. I prefer a modifyed weaver grip with interlocked pinkies. Ill try to get vic to take a picture of it later if you'd like
fnfalman
09-21-2010, 01:55 PM
Hmm, looks good, thanks. BTW what do you think about whether to press your other hand's index finger against the trigger guard when you are using a two-handed grip? That is how I was taught, but I read that some people disagree.
I don't like it but my best friend can handle his piece just fine with that hold.
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