Why Are Black Bikers More Likely to Die in Crashes than Whites?

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http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/25/why-are-black-bikers-more-likely-to-die-in-crashes-than-whites/?iid=WBeditorspicks

[EpyonXero]

Hospitals dont care about black people?

['73 H1 Triple]

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20100930_Michael_Smerconish__Motorcycles___race.ht ml

A little more insight as to why


Jeff

[Mikey]

[Kanye West]Obama hates black people![/Kanye West]

[EpyonXero]

http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20100930_Michael_Smerconish__Motorcycles___race.ht ml

A little more insight as to why


Jeff

I'm thinking it's simpler than that: White riders drive Harleys. And black riders choose faster, smaller, more dangerous European-built sport cycles.

He lost me there. Aside from the obvious mistake, the original article stated that even after controlling for the severity of the accident there was still a disparity in death rates. The type of bike doesnt matter, a 50 mph lowside is a 50 mph lowside.

[Amorok]

This story is racist!

[Adeptus_Minor]

I'm thinking it's simpler than that: White riders drive Harleys. And black riders choose faster, smaller, more dangerous European-built sport cycles.


Maybe this is a regional/urban thing, but I see plenty of black riders on Harleys and custom cruisers. :idk:

Personally, I think they're just overlooking the more obvious answer.

Death is a racist.
http://www.freewebs.com/angelspunishment/death.JPG

['73 H1 Triple]

He lost me there. Aside from the obvious mistake, the original article stated that even after controlling for the severity of the accident there was still a disparity in death rates. The type of bike doesnt matter, a 50 mph lowside is a 50 mph lowside.

from the article

Driving home from work, picking up the kids or heading to a Phillies game, I'm likely to encounter a white guy coasting by on a Harley or a black guy careening past on a Hayabusa. Or a Ducati. Or some other foreign death craft whose name I can't pronounce.

I've never seen a white guy on a cruiser weave between two cars on a highway. Or been passed on the shoulder by what looks like a pill on wheels, only to notice that familiar Harley orange and black logo.

No, when somebody suddenly rips past my bumper without so much as a turn signal or a courtesy wave, it's usually a black rider and always a sporty bike.

There's no racial animus here. Nothing discriminatory. It's just the fact of what I see out on some of the most hectic roads in the region.


I know he's lumping everybody into one group but it's usually the sportbikes with the more aggressive riders.

[defector]

Even America's roads are racist.

Black man + impact with asphalt = more black on black crime.

[EpyonXero]

from the article

Driving home from work, picking up the kids or heading to a Phillies game, I'm likely to encounter a white guy coasting by on a Harley or a black guy careening past on a Hayabusa. Or a Ducati. Or some other foreign death craft whose name I can't pronounce.

I've never seen a white guy on a cruiser weave between two cars on a highway. Or been passed on the shoulder by what looks like a pill on wheels, only to notice that familiar Harley orange and black logo.

No, when somebody suddenly rips past my bumper without so much as a turn signal or a courtesy wave, it's usually a black rider and always a sporty bike.

There's no racial animus here. Nothing discriminatory. It's just the fact of what I see out on some of the most hectic roads in the region.


I know he's lumping everybody into one group but it's usually the sportbikes with the more aggressive riders.

Johns Hopkins researchers analyzed 68,840 motorcycle accidents recorded by the National Trauma Data Bank between 2002 and 2006. The data show that black riders were 50% more likely to die than white riders, despite the fact that African Americans were more likely to be wearing helmets at the time of the crash. The disparity held up even after controlling for the severity of the accident, the biker's gender and insurance status. White bikers not wearing helmets were still less likely to die in a crash than black bikers wearing helmets; the highest risk group were blacks riding without protective head gear.

This should eliminate any differences due to more of one group participating in riskier behavior than another group. They arent comparing 150 MPH 'Busa accidents with 20 MPH parade crashes.

[Homeslice]

So then what is the reason? Are they claiming that hospitals don't bother taking care of Black people? :lol:

I'd be more inclined to believe that it's because Black people tend to live in more congested areas, therefore it takes longer for help to respond. :idk:

[tommymac]

So then what is the reason? Are they claiming that hospitals don't bother taking care of Black people? :lol:

I'd be more inclined to believe that it's because Black people tend to live in more congested areas, therefore it takes longer for help to respond. :idk:

I wouldnt think so, ems response times in NYC arent too bad even in the ghetto areas. Plus these ER's see a lot more trauma than your rural or suburban ER's do so the servies there are usualy prety good betwwen ER, trauma surgery and orthopedics.

[Akilldema]

please don't ban me.

[Flexin]

I wouldnt think so, ems response times in NYC arent too bad even in the ghetto areas. Plus these ER's see a lot more trauma than your rural or suburban ER's do so the servies there are usualy prety good betwwen ER, trauma surgery and orthopedics.

I was thinking the same thing. When I was doing my Firefighting on the job training I did it in the city. And medical call we had the EHS van pulled up right behind us. Outside the city I hear it can be 20 minutes or so at times.

James

[pauldun170]

I blame rap music.
Between biker boyz and Ludacris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwhRQYf--KM

brothers simply dont know how to act out on the road.

Drives me nuts sometimes...

[Homeslice]

If this was about Black car drivers, I would blame it on the way they sit with only 1 inch of the head visible thru the glass.

[Mikey]

If this was about Black car drivers, I would blame it on the way they sit with only 1 inch of the head visible thru the glass.

Right above the center console, too.

[Homeslice]

Right above the center console, too.
:lol:

I think that's why they always seem to change lanes real slowly....they can't see shit. Starting from like 50 yards behind you, they move their steering wheel one milimeter.....taking 30 seconds to move into the next lane, yet almost clipping your rear bumper in the process.........I call it "the molasses draft"..............

[Mikey]

:lol:

I think that's why they always seem to change lanes real slowly....they can't see shit. Starting from like 50 yards behind you, they move their steering wheel one milimeter.....taking 30 seconds to move into the next lane, yet almost clipping your rear bumper in the process.........I call it "the molasses draft"..............

It's also really hard to see your mirrors when they're shaking from the ridiculously loud subwoofers in the trunk that rattles so bad you hear it before the stereo.

[Dave]

It's also really hard to see your mirrors when they're shaking from the ridiculously loud subwoofers in the trunk that rattles so bad you hear it before the stereo.

id join you on this but i had solid motor mounts in my shelby z and it was a very similar effect. girls sure did seem to like riding in it though...:lmao:

[101lifts2]

It's the inadequate health insurance.

[Riceaholic]

Down here it's the 12 inch stretch, lowering kit, single front brake rotor and the 300 section tire. It's hard to not hit something solid when you're doing 100+ everywhere and your bike won't turn or stop.

I'd be curious to see what the Mexican and Puerto Rican stat is on the same thing. I see more of them exploded down here than blacks by a long ways...:lol:

[tommymac]

Down here it's the 12 inch stretch, lowering kit, single front brake rotor and the 300 section tire. It's hard to not hit something solid when you're doing 100+ everywhere and your bike won't turn or stop.

I'd be curious to see what the Mexican and Puerto Rican stat is on the same thing. I see more of them exploded down here than blacks by a long ways...:lol:

I saw an article and also t/w a friend whos puerto rican and it seems all they have on the island are busas and at the time zx-12's.

[Switch]

I blame the Ruff Rydas.

[Smittie61984]

I wouldnt think so, ems response times in NYC arent too bad even in the ghetto areas. Plus these ER's see a lot more trauma than your rural or suburban ER's do so the servies there are usualy prety good betwwen ER, trauma surgery and orthopedics.

Here in Atlanta the hood is right next to Grady Hospital which is a Level 1 trauma center. The next Level 1 trauma is 200 miles away and that one is in the hood too. White folks get POS Level 3/4 traumas and crap response times. Our level 2s belong to the Mexicans.

I'll give a racist guess as to why. Black riders are more likely to buy fast bikes but wear Harley gear.

[OneSickPsycho]

It's a conspiracy to keep a brotha down...


No seriously, I think motorcycles hate black people.

[Amber Lamps]

Okay, I'm not taking the bait on this one and almost didn't even open it considering the OP but here's what I think.

1. Regardless of what bikes are being ridden or how, the stats concern what happens AFTER an accident. The question isn't "why do blacks get in more accidents on bikes?" If it were then the moronic answers concerning our riding style or choice of equipment, might come into play. As someone already pointed out, " 50mph crash is a 50mph crash regardless of what type of bike you are on."

2. I personally believe that it is a lack of health insurance. Yes, I know that if you show up at the emergency room, they will treat you. I also know that hundreds/thousands of dollars worth of bills will begin flowing into your mailbox afterwards. Contrary to apparent popular believe here, low/mid income black people don't get "free" medical care. Believe it or not, some of us even PAY OUR BILLS. I've had to friends die because they got into accidents and left the hospital prematurely or were never treated because of bill fears. I know that it may come as a shock to some of you but at least some of us don't lay around with our hand out waiting for the great white father to provide for our every need. Also, many of us, myself included, don't trust doctors or the medical profession in general.

3. Lastly, I think it may have something to do with the lack of "legacy" when it comes to motorcycling. Most of the black riders that I know are first generation riders. Conversely, many of the white riders I know have had motorcycling in their families for generations. Of course, again, this would fall more into the "why they get in more accidents" line of argument and not the "why do they die afterwards" debate.

It's an interesting debate, minus the obvious racist comments of course, I'd be interested in seeing the raw numbers along with a map of the accident locations and the pertinent crash data-speed, type of bike, gear, etc. I highly doubt that it's in any way the fault of the EMTs or the hospitals.

[Mikey]

id join you on this but i had solid motor mounts in my shelby z and it was a very similar effect. girls sure did seem to like riding in it though...:lmao:

That's different. Solid motor mounts are a performance enhancement. Lack of Dynamat is just lazy and ignorant. ;)

I didn't see it, but did the study account for gear other than helmets?

[Homeslice]

Also, many of us, myself included, don't trust doctors or the medical profession in general.


Because most doctors seem to be White or Asian? Or what? You don't have to explain if you don't want to , just curious.

I'm gonna have to go with the Smittie argument........T-shirts & club vests aren't exactly quality gear. Also, on a similar note, the Black population is skewed towards the South, and if you ride in the South you're often tempted to ride without gear.

[101lifts2]

..... Contrary to apparent popular believe here, low/mid income black people don't get "free" medical care. Believe it or not, some of us even PAY OUR BILLS. I've had to friends die because they got into accidents and left the hospital prematurely or were never treated because of bill fears. I know that it may come as a shock to some of you but at least some of us don't lay around with our hand out waiting for the great white father to provide for our every need. Also, many of us, myself included, don't trust doctors or the medical profession in general......

They don't dare buy adequate Health Insurance, but rims, sounds, 4 cell phones, 300 channel cable instead.

[Flexin]

They don't dare buy adequate Health Insurance, but rims, sounds, 4 cell phones, 300 channel cable instead.

Like they don't buy a bad ass Camero or 4X4 in the trailer park.

Plus I think there was people on this forum or CF that didn't have it as well.

James

[Amber Lamps]

They don't dare buy adequate Health Insurance, but rims, sounds, 4 cell phones, 300 channel cable instead.

yea well I guess you are right , they should focus all their sub average salary on bills and insurance because companies they work for, like Walmart, can't "afford" to provide health insurance... These animals don't deserve the better things in life like you. They should know their place and stay in it. I guess your ancestors should have taught us how to manage our money better.

[Akilldema]

Since this is dissolving into this racial shit, here's the bottom line: Life is about choices. If you can afford to buy the stuff 101 referenced above or have the hottest shoes, etc and choose to do that instead of insurance, so be it. But don't blame not having insurance on working at Wal Mart. I do affiliate marketing for health insurance.. It doesn't cost much for people under 30, practically anyone could afford it (in most states).

Edit: and obviously black guys don't need white ancestors' lessons to start gangs, sell drugs and constantly fight/shoot each other. Why can't they learn positive things instead? It's not like there are many white role models for that nonsensical thug bullshit.

[Trip]

Maybe cause they won't pull up their damn pants and they get stuck in the chain.

I went to Atlanta today and this dumbass walked by my table while I was eating that had his pants around his ankles and was wearing boxer briefs, I about puked.

I realized how much I really despise 99% of America.

[Amber Lamps]

Like they don't buy a bad ass Camero or 4X4 in the trailer park.

Plus I think there was people on this forum or CF that didn't have it as well.

James

It is a well known fact that white people never mismanagement their money, live off welfare or choose priorities over necessities.

All of us own a bunch of crap we don't need. Can all of you REALLY say that if your companies suddenly dropped your coverage, you would give up your goodies to pay the $300+ a month premiums? I wouldn't...

[Akilldema]

300$ a month? You must have AIDS and be like 50-60 years old. Health insurance when I last got a quote through my site the average was like 30-55$ monthly.

[Amber Lamps]

Since this is dissolving into this racial shit, here's the bottom line: Life is about choices. If you can afford to buy the stuff 101 referenced above or have the hottest shoes, etc and choose to do that instead of insurance, so be it. But don't blame not having insurance on working at Wal Mart. I do affiliate marketing for health insurance.. It doesn't cost much for people under 30, practically anyone could afford it (in most states).

Edit: and obviously black guys don't need white ancestors' lessons to start gangs, sell drugs and constantly fight/shoot each other. Why can't they learn positive things instead? It's not like there are many white role models for that nonsensical thug bullshit.

Dissolving?...this thread was started with this premise in mind...it doesn't matter but where were you when racist comments about how we drive were slung? I guess its only "racist bullshit" when its against your people....

[Amber Lamps]

300$ a month? You must have AIDS and be like 50-60 years old. Health insurance when I last got a quote through my site the average was like 30-55$ monthly.

For a family? What's the co pay and or deductible ? Seriously shoot me a pm and if its $30 per month sign me up.

[Akilldema]

lulz at molasses draft. I mean, there is some validity to that. White people comparatively are probably better drivers. :) But I didn't it was as serious until the last 2 pages.

[Amber Lamps]

lulz at molasses draft. I mean, there is some validity to that. White people comparatively are probably better drivers. :) But I didn't it was as serious until the last 2 pages.

Now that is some "racist shit" ...

[Akilldema]

LOL, I thought you'd like that comment. I didn't say bullshit btw, just regular shit. I usually don't see white people driving crazy unless they're super old/young which is pretty universal. Mexicans around here usually drive super slow like they're scared, I never really notice asian drivers and black guys do the hand at 12 on the wheel seat leaned all the way back and head over the center console.

[Amber Lamps]

LOL, I thought you'd like that comment. I didn't say bullshit btw, just regular shit. I usually don't see white people driving crazy unless they're super old/young which is pretty universal. Mexicans around here usually drive super slow like they're scared, I never really notice asian drivers and black guys do the hand at 12 on the wheel seat leaned all the way back and head over the center console.

I don't.....and if you are serious in saying that white people don't ever drive crazy? Hmmm hey aren't you late for your klan meeting?

[Akilldema]

I can't think of any racial stereotype involving white people/poor driving. Mullets, Camaros, trailer parks, inbreeding, etc, sure. Of course that's only for the southern part of the US.

Edit: and obviously I don't mean ALL black drivers.

[CasterTroy]

:lmao: There's some real racist mother fletchers up in this bishe fo sho :lol:

And guess what...you DON'T have to be white to be a racist ;)

Statistics are about as accurate as unbias reporting..and if you slice it right, you can make a stat say anything you WANT it too

OH...and EVERYONE knows it's the asians (not any other race) that destroy the roads with their driving :rockwoot:

Mad love for ya Ed :D

[tommymac]

:lmao: There's some real racist mother fletchers up in this bishe fo sho :lol:

And guess what...you DON'T have to be white to be a racist ;)

Statistics are about as accurate as unbias reporting..and if you slice it right, you can make a stat say anything you WANT it too

OH...and EVERYONE knows it's the asians (not any other race) that destroy the roads with their driving :rockwoot:

Mad love for ya Ed :D

Dont have to tell me about how stats can be manipulated, not realy sure i buy into many of those factors. Guess if you want to stereotype its all the younger blacks on thier stretched busas and all the white harley guys comming home drunk from their latest poker runs.

[Amber Lamps]

Dont have to tell me about how stats can be manipulated, not realy sure i buy into many of those factors. Guess if you want to stereotype its all the younger blacks on thier stretched busas and all the white harley guys comming home drunk from their latest poker runs.

Regardless, what is in question is why more blacks die AFTER an accident....

Besides, all you David Duke wannabes.... I doubt a stretched Busa handles any worse than a V rod or chopper. Man, I used to love these kinds of threads for the argument value. Now, they just remind me how many of you would hate me on sight if you didn't know me from the forum.... :(

[Akilldema]

I wouldn't, unless you ride a stretched Busa with a skullcap helmet.

[Homeslice]

It isn't racist to say you've noticed lots of Black people doing X or Y.

Racism = the belief that your race is superior to others.

Saying "Whenever I see a stretched Busa it's usually a Black person" is no worse than saying "Whenever I see a slow driver it's usually an old person".......All you're doing is describing what you've noticed.

[Amber Lamps]

It isn't racist to say you've noticed lots of Black people doing X or Y.

Racism = the belief that your race is superior to others.

Saying "Whenever I see a stretched Busa it's usually a Black person" is no worse than saying "Whenever I see a slow driver it's usually an old person".......All you're doing is describing what you've noticed.

Uhuh .....go back and read some of these posts and tell me they aren't racist... Some of them even said that they hate my race for the way that we dress... BTW I don't see anything wrong with having pride in your own race personally. Saying "we are the best" isn't wrong in any context. Pointing to another race and saying "they are trash" has a different taste to it somehow....imho. Besides, I defend your right to be racist, I'm racist against middle easterners and mexicans, but I don't deny it when called out on it.

[Akilldema]

I don't hate the black race, I just don't like wannabe or even legit thug trash. There is a difference.

[Flexin]

I don't hate the black race, I just don't like wannabe or even legit thug trash. There is a difference.

What about the wannabe or legit thug trash of other races?

James

[Homeslice]

Saying "we are the best" isn't wrong in any context. Pointing to another race and saying "they are trash" has a different taste to it somehow

I don't see anyone pointing to an entire race and saying they are trash........I did see someone saying lots of Blacks wear pants down to their ankles, or drive like shit......But they didn't try to claim that it's genetically programmed into them. They just said Black people are more likely to do it.

None of this is any worse than people saying White dudes usually aren't good dancers or ball players, dress like nerds, or don't have any game with women. Which happens all the time....... Yet if someone makes stereotypes about Blacks, watch out, all hell breaks loose. :idk:

[Akilldema]

What about the wannabe or legit thug trash of other races?

James


Same sentiment exactly. I can't stand it.. it's possible that I dislike the white variants even more, because it seems forced.

[Flexin]

Same sentiment exactly. I can't stand it.. it's possible that I dislike the white variants even more, because it seems forced.

Forced? Seems forced how?

James

[Akilldema]

Most white thugs I've seen or know didn't grow up in that kind of environment, they simply see it somewhere else and attempt to adopt it as their own lifestyle. Which is fucking lame IMO.

[tommymac]

Most white thugs I've seen or know didn't grow up in that kind of environment, they simply see it somewhere else and attempt to adopt it as their own lifestyle. Which is fucking lame IMO.

Ahh all the suburban wanna be gangbangers, see plenty of em on LI

[Flexin]

Most white thugs I've seen or know didn't grow up in that kind of environment, they simply see it somewhere else and attempt to adopt it as their own lifestyle. Which is fucking lame IMO.

So what you seem to be saying is that a "Thug" is black and dresses with baggy clothes. Right?

Jesse James wasn't black and didn't wear baggy clothes so he must not have been a "thug"? Capone?

James

[Akilldema]

I'm not too worried about those guys because I don't have to look at/listen to them.

[tommymac]

I'm not too worried about those guys because I don't have to look at/listen to them.

its funny for me because I see them around town all the time but deal withthe real thing at work, and think if I ever took these kids to brooklyn with me they would shit themselves and cry for mommy :lol:

[Akilldema]

Oh I was talking about Jesse James and Al Capone, who Flexin referenced. Yeah, little white gangsters are all over the place here.

[Flexin]

I'm not too worried about those guys because I don't have to look at/listen to them.

I'm not asking if your worried about them. Were they thugs? Your definition of thug seems to be black with baggy clothes. If thats the case then I guess that means that the Asian gangs are not thugs and the same with the Hells Angles.

You and I see different things when we think of a "thug"

James

[Akilldema]

Black with baggy clothes? I was just talking about white people. I can only dislike what I've encountered.

[Dave]

I'm not asking if your worried about them. Were they thugs? Your definition of thug seems to be black with baggy clothes. If thats the case then I guess that means that the Asian gangs are not thugs and the same with the Hells Angles.

You and I see different things when we think of a "thug"

James

Hells angles? That's one of those 1 degree'er clubs right?

[Akilldema]

Lol

[Amber Lamps]

Look, I know that it's partially our fault that black people only make up a small percentage of the population but seem to compromise 90% of the negative stereotypes...

Bad bike riders=black people (even though there are far more white people on sport bikes and white stunters.)

Welfare rats=black people (even though there are far more white people on welfare.)

Hood rats=black people (even though there are far more white people living in trailer parks than there are black people living in projects.)

Drug addicts=black people (even though there are far more white people addicted to meth than there are black people addicted to crack.)

Deadbeat dads, gang members, criminals, thugs, etc... When most of you so much as see a black guy your first reaction is negative. That is really sad. Like I said before, if you saw me on the street, your first reactions would probably be fear/loathing. That sometimes bothers me considering what I've sacrificed for this country... other times, I try to understand it and even rationalize your feelings. I do know this, for every 1 "thug" out there, there are hundreds of black people that go to work everyday, pay their bills and have even served and died for this country. Although, I know that doesn't factor in to your evaluation of our race as a whole.

As far as our "fashion sense" goes, please explain to me how 10 piercings, a mohawk, torn up jeans, bandannas, etc, etc, etc is more acceptable? Fashion fads are fashion fads, there's nothing inherently evil about them. At least we wear underwear... count your blessings.

[Kaneman]

Look,.................................etc......... ......................etc....

Holy Blah Blah Motherfucking Blah Batman.

Look, to get back to the original question, black people die in M/C wrecks more often because they smoke a lot of crack, which affects their ability to heal even moderate injuries.

[Dnyce]

blacks die in more accidents because that report from the og post said so.

simple. believe what u want.

[Riceaholic]

Look, I know that it's partially our fault that black people only make up a small percentage of the population but seem to compromise 90% of the negative stereotypes...

Bad bike riders=black people (even though there are far more white people on sport bikes and white stunters.)

Welfare rats=black people (even though there are far more white people on welfare.)

Hood rats=black people (even though there are far more white people living in trailer parks than there are black people living in projects.)

Drug addicts=black people (even though there are far more white people addicted to meth than there are black people addicted to crack.)

Deadbeat dads, gang members, criminals, thugs, etc... When most of you so much as see a black guy your first reaction is negative. That is really sad. Like I said before, if you saw me on the street, your first reactions would probably be fear/loathing. That sometimes bothers me considering what I've sacrificed for this country... other times, I try to understand it and even rationalize your feelings. I do know this, for every 1 "thug" out there, there are hundreds of black people that go to work everyday, pay their bills and have even served and died for this country. Although, I know that doesn't factor in to your evaluation of our race as a whole.

As far as our "fashion sense" goes, please explain to me how 10 piercings, a mohawk, torn up jeans, bandannas, etc, etc, etc is more acceptable? Fashion fads are fashion fads, there's nothing inherently evil about them. At least we wear underwear... count your blessings.

When I met you I wasn't scared. You weren't wearing baggy pants...:lol:

[Akilldema]

Holy Blah Blah Motherfucking Blah Batman.

Look, to get back to the original question, black people die in M/C wrecks more often because they smoke a lot of crack, which affects their ability to heal even moderate injuries.
:lol

BTW, here are some fun stats:

Racial demographics of the US
Further information: Race and ethnicity in the United States Census
[edit] General population

The racial composition of the US population as of 2008 was 79.79% White American (65.60% non-Hispanic and 14.19% Hispanic), 12.84% African American (12.22% non-Hispanic and 0.62% Hispanic), 4.45% Asian American (4.35% non-Hispanic and 0.10% Hispanic), 1.01% American Indian or Alaska Native (0.76% non-Hispanic and 0.25% Hispanic), 0.18% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander American (0.14% non-Hispanic and 0.04% Hispanic), and 1.69% Multiracial American (1.64% non-Hispanic and 0.05% Hispanic). 15.25% of the total US population identified their ethnicity as Hispanic.[8]
[edit] Prison population
Further information: Incarceration in the United States

The racial composition of the US prison and jail population as of 2008 was 33.44% White American (non-Hispanic), 20.29% Hispanic, 40.21% African American (non-Hispanic), and 6.06% Other (American Indian, Alaska Native, Asian American, Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander American, and Multiracial American).[9]
[edit]

[Amber Lamps]

Yea right 2% multi-racial... I've just about never met a white person in this country that doesn't at least claim to be part american indian...

[Akilldema]

Source is US Census Bureau for the first portion.

[CasterTroy]

Yea right 2% multi-racial... I've just about never met a white person in this country that doesn't at least claim to be part american indian...

I too grew up hearing every white kid make claim to having 1/10, 1/8, 1/56th indian blood :td: Whatta crock of tonto crap.

As far as I can confirm....I'm straight up bratwurst, crackah-ass honkey with a family tree that points back to germany (straight as a telphone pole with no branches..this may explain my 3rd arm) prior to WWI

Not aware of any Mohicans in the woodpile.

However I live in NC....and every time you get near lumberton you get to experience all the "Lumbee indian" (aka mexicans) claims.

['73 H1 Triple]

Look, I know that it's partially our fault that black people only make up a small percentage of the population but seem to compromise 90% of the negative stereotypes...

Bad bike riders=black people (even though there are far more white people on sport bikes and white stunters.)

Welfare rats=black people (even though there are far more white people on welfare.)

Hood rats=black people (even though there are far more white people living in trailer parks than there are black people living in projects.)

Drug addicts=black people (even though there are far more white people addicted to meth than there are black people addicted to crack.)

Deadbeat dads, gang members, criminals, thugs, etc... When most of you so much as see a black guy your first reaction is negative. That is really sad. Like I said before, if you saw me on the street, your first reactions would probably be fear/loathing. That sometimes bothers me considering what I've sacrificed for this country... other times, I try to understand it and even rationalize your feelings. I do know this, for every 1 "thug" out there, there are hundreds of black people that go to work everyday, pay their bills and have even served and died for this country. Although, I know that doesn't factor in to your evaluation of our race as a whole.

As far as our "fashion sense" goes, please explain to me how 10 piercings, a mohawk, torn up jeans, bandannas, etc, etc, etc is more acceptable? Fashion fads are fashion fads, there's nothing inherently evil about them. At least we wear underwear... count your blessings.

I grew up taught to judge people by their actions. I started going with my grandfather on his huckster route at the age of 8 in Philadelphia and the surrounding area. We went into all kinds of neighborhoods and met all kinds of people from many different ethnic groups/backrounds.

Funny how you treat people nice right from the start and they treat you well too.

What a concept.

Yea right 2% multi-racial... I've just about never met a white person in this country that doesn't at least claim to be part american indian...

Add me to the list, I have documentation to prove it.

My Dad's side of the family tree is german and I can trace my ancestors here in this section of Pennsylvania back to 1732. Back to the late 1400 in the Germany/Switzerland area.

My mom has been tracing her side of the family tree for about 20 years now. My great great grandfather married a Cherokee woman and they had 6 kids.

Jeff

[101lifts2]

yea well I guess you are right , they should focus all their sub average salary on bills and insurance because companies they work for, like Walmart, can't "afford" to provide health insurance... These animals don't deserve the better things in life like you. They should know their place and stay in it. I guess your ancestors should have taught us how to manage our money better.

That argument is so weak I shouldn't even respond. There is an inherent difference because realizing short term gains (rims/sounds/cell phones) and long term gains (having health insurance so you don't have unexpected bills later on) that poorer people don't understand. What they think they understand is that they are entitled to free or discounted ish just because they spit out kids.

The only thing afforded in this world is freedom granted to us by God. Everything else (including keeping that freedom) needs to be accomplished via hard work.

[Dave]

Yea right 2% multi-racial... I've just about never met a white person in this country that doesn't at least claim to be part american indian...

I'm sure we killed a lot of em, rather doubt we fucked any, and know we didn't pay no child support

[Kaneman]

What they think they understand is that they are entitled to free or discounted ish just because they spit out kids.

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Or they just get tired of being shit on their whole lives just trying to get by. After that point you do whatever you can to catch up.

Maybe its just me...I've just never known any "poor" people that didn't go to work everyday and try to make a living. In fact, the only people I know that don't do shit come from parents with enough money to keep supporting them.

[101lifts2]

:lol

BTW, here are some fun stats:

Racial demographics of the US
Further information: Race and ethnicity in the United States Census
[edit] General population

The racial composition of the US population as of 2008 was 79.79% White American (65.60% non-Hispanic and 14.19% Hispanic), 12.84% African American (12.22% non-Hispanic and 0.62% Hispanic), 4.45% Asian American (4.35% non-Hispanic and 0.10% Hispanic), 1.01% American Indian or Alaska Native (0.76% non-Hispanic and 0.25% Hispanic), 0.18% Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander American (0.14% non-Hispanic and 0.04% Hispanic), and 1.69% Multiracial American (1.64% non-Hispanic and 0.05% Hispanic). 15.25% of the total US population identified their ethnicity as Hispanic.[8]
[edit] Prison population
Further information: Incarceration in the United States

The racial composition of the US prison and jail population as of 2008 was 33.44% White American (non-Hispanic), 20.29% Hispanic, 40.21% African American (non-Hispanic), and 6.06% Other (American Indian, Alaska Native, Asian American, Native Hawaiian, Pacific Islander American, and Multiracial American).[9]
[edit]

Whites make up 65.0% of the U.S. population, yet make up 33.4% of incarcerated persons.

Blacks make up 12.2% of the U.S. population, yet make up 40.2 of incarcerated persons.

Just from this data alone, what conclusions do you draw? Think from a neutral third party point of view....

[101lifts2]

Or they just get tired of being shit on their whole lives just trying to get by. After that point you do whatever you can to catch up.

Maybe its just me...I've just never known any "poor" people that didn't go to work everyday and try to make a living. In fact, the only people I know that don't do shit come from parents with enough money to keep supporting them.

You cannot work at a tollbooth and expect to have a house, Benz and take lavish vacations.

[Kaneman]

You cannot work at a tollbooth and expect to have a house, Benz and take lavish vacations.

And I don't know any poor people that own a Benz. I think there is this misconception that poor people are somehow living a higher quality of life than others...

[Dave]

And I don't know any poor people that own a Benz. I think there is this misconception that poor people are somehow living a higher quality of life than others...

Guess you've never driven through the gov' assisted housing projects in philly :lmao:

[tommymac]

And I don't know any poor people that own a Benz. I think there is this misconception that poor people are somehow living a higher quality of life than others...

Some of it is them living beyond their means, part of that was a factor in the recession with all the subprime loans being given out. th ebanks gave out loans to people who shouldnt have gotten them, and were mislead/didnt know any better then couldnt afford to pay and then spiraled down the crapper.

[Amber Lamps]

I'm sure we killed a lot of em, rather doubt we fucked any, and know we didn't pay no child support

What? White people "FUCK" any race they come into contact with...are you serious? The world is full of half-breeds....

[Kaneman]

Some of it is them living beyond their means, part of that was a factor in the recession with all the subprime loans being given out. th ebanks gave out loans to people who shouldnt have gotten them, and were mislead/didnt know any better then couldnt afford to pay and then spiraled down the crapper.

If you're making a living at <insert generic retail outlet> and barely getting by then eating anything other than Ramen noodles can be considered "living beyond one's means." There are many more factors at play than just subprime/irresponsible/predatory lending, though of course the Banks do their part to ensure the large division between the rich and poor keeps growing.

[Amber Lamps]

If you're making a living at <insert generic retail outlet> and barely getting by then eating anything other than Ramen noodles can be considered "living beyond one's means." There are many more factors at play than just subprime/irresponsible/predatory lending, though of course the Banks do their part to ensure the large division between the rich and poor keeps growing.

Besides, it's not like all of the loans were to black people....yeesh.

[Tmall]

Because they're too busy buying Michael Jordan body kits from china, and blinging out their Gixxer 1000's with custom seats, and blue rim tape, and aftermarket chain tensioners, to learn to actually ride.. :lol:

JK Tig.

[Dave]

What? White people "FUCK" any race they come into contact with...are you serious? The world is full of half-breeds....

my ancestors, not wp in general zheezus

[Akilldema]

What? White people "FUCK" any race they come into contact with...are you serious? The world is full of half-breeds....

Hey now..

[Amber Lamps]

Hey now..

Oh no I'm just remarking on things that I've noticed around me...

[Akilldema]

Haha, see the difference is, these comments you or anyone else is making don't offend me in the slightest because there is a degree of truth.

[z06boy]

Uhuh ..... Some of them even said that they hate my race .

WTF is your race ? I thought you were mixed 1/2 and 1/2 white and black ? Do you just claim this so you can argue and voice your opinion in every thread that comes up about it ? :lol: I almost think that if a bunch of blacks came here and started a racist thread (yes blacks can be racists too) that you'd jump right in claiming to be white...just so you could argue. :rofl:

Oh and by the way I'm white and don't claim to have any Indian blood in me. I could...I really don't know but I'm definitely not claiming it. Good old German and Austrian here...as far as I know anyways.

You don't see me spewing a bunch of racist stuff on this forum either...just to be clear.

It's just funny to me that in one thread I see you're mixed and here you seem to be only BLACK so which is it ? :idk:

[Trip]

Yea right 2% multi-racial... I've just about never met a white person in this country that doesn't at least claim to be part american indian...

I don't have any american indian and I probably have slave owner blood in me. Now go harvest my sugar crop bitch.

[ontwo]

I insist on being called Scottish-American. I find the term "white" offensive

[tommymac]

I insist on being called Scottish-American. I find the term "white" offensive

lithuanian-american doesnt seem to flow as well :lol:

[Trip]

I dont want to be called french-american. I find that very offensive.

[Dave]

I don't have any american indian and I probably have slave owner blood in me. Now go harvest my sugar crop bitch.

I know I have that :lol:

[tommymac]

I dont want to be called french-american. I find that very offensive.

I would keep the french part under wraps, otherwise kids may steal your lunch money :lol:

[Trip]

I would keep the french part under wraps, otherwise kids may steal your lunch money :lol:

Well we got kicked out of France and Canada, so that makes up for a lot.

[Trip]

I would keep the french part under wraps, otherwise kids may steal your lunch money :lol:

Well we got kicked out of France and Canada, so that makes up for a lot.

[Riceaholic]

I would keep the french part under wraps, otherwise kids may steal your lunch money :lol:

As soon as people smell the malt vinegar on all his food, it's outta the bag...:lol:

[tommymac]

As soon as people smell the malt vinegar on all his food, it's outta the bag...:lol:

LOL now he will need the english to come save him when the europeans start picking on him :lol:

[Trip]

LOL now he will need the english to come save him when the europeans start picking on him :lol:

Hell, we got kicked out of Euro because the Euros couldn't take our loud obnoxious rabble rousing. Neither could those apathetic canadian douches. People just leave us and our bayou alone.

[ontwo]

Hell, we got kicked out of Euro because the Euros couldn't take our loud obnoxious rabble rousing. Neither could those apathetic canadian douches. People just leave us and our bayou alone.

rabble rabble rabble rabble

[Smittie61984]

Black man + impact with asphalt = more black on black crime.

Okay, this one is too funny.