Cesar Millan

[CrazyKell]

Lots of dog owners or lovers here.

Love him?

Hate him?

In doing some research on training and other techniques I've come across either one view or the other. No one seems to be in between (same thing with Oprah and Martha Stewart :lmao:).

I don't watch the show all that often but I don't mind him at all and like his training techniques.

He's on tour right now and coming here so I'm going to check him out!

[defector]

Don't know much about him, really.
But since it's the internets, I HATE HIM! HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL!

[Rider]

Dude looks about 4ft tall.

[Particle Man]

Dude looks about 4ft tall.

Either that or those are some huge-ass dogs :lol:

[Inferno]

Cesar Millan is Gay...I mean like really gay.

[skiergirl]

I haven't watched much of him but there's a girl that also has a dog training show that's awesome! I have learned quite a bit from watching her. Most stuff is pretty common sense but there are some good tips to dealing with problems and curbing behaviors. If he is anything like her I'd watch it.

[Inferno]

Just kidding about the gay part...don't know if he is.

Cesar uses the pack leader/alpha dog approach to training and from what I can tell, he does it well. Most trainers use the positive re-enforcement approach aka give a treat when the dog does what you want. That is ok also. Victoria Stillwell aka "It's me or the dog" on Animal planet uses this, and is 100% against the pack leader/alpha dog style.

[CrazyKell]

I haven't watched much of him but there's a girl that also has a dog training show that's awesome! I have learned quite a bit from watching her. Most stuff is pretty common sense but there are some good tips to dealing with problems and curbing behaviors. If he is anything like her I'd watch it.

I've never seen that one. There's a Canadian one called "At the End of My Leash". The dude seems harsh but uses essentially the same philosophy of pack leader/alpha and not treat.

Just kidding about the gay part...don't know if he is.

Cesar uses the pack leader/alpha dog approach to training and from what I can tell, he does it well. Most trainers use the positive re-enforcement approach aka give a treat when the dog does what you want. That is ok also. Victoria Stillwell aka "It's me or the dog" on Animal planet uses this, and is 100% against the pack leader/alpha dog style.


Interesting that they're against it. I've been using Cesar's techniques on my own puppy and notice that she does really well with it. My previous dogs have been very food motivated and I wanted to steer clear of the "treat for performance" scenario as it can lead to a monster.

Part of the problem with my own training is that I live in a household with 2 other dogs (huskies) that are simply NOT trained. My roommate claims to love Cesar but uses none of his methods and her dogs rule the roost. She is going to have serious problems down the road.

Living there is only a year long temporary situation.....but it still presents a challenge for Lulu's training.

[Inferno]

I think a combo of both is good.

Most people that have dog problems I think there are a few reasons. 1. The owner controls the food. I feed my dog twice per day and a set amount (1 1/2 cups). This is done for a few reasons, I control the food and he knows it and also to keep him healthy.
IMO, I do not like it when people leave the dog bowl full all day. There is no control of the food.
2. The owner controls when the dog goes outside. Most dogs, if not all, would rather be outside. They have doen studies about this with domestic dogs and they would rather be outside. Same as the food...they know you allow them to go outside. So it is all about control. The owner controls the dog, the dog does not control the owner.

But those are just two of my opinions.

[OneSickPsycho]

Dude's got skills... that's for sure... That Brit chick does as well... I've found that with my puppy a mix of both work really well.

[skiergirl]

yes, that's her name - I guess I use a bit of both with my dog. I think positive reinforcement absolutely works in most cases but with a dominant or working dog breed often the Alpha approach gets more results.

Rocky is pretty well behaved but once in a while as a Doberman will he pushes the limits. Sometimes literally grabbing him snout and sitting his ass down and saying NO right in his face gets the results that a treat will not.

[KSGregman]

Dude's got skills... that's for sure... That Brit chick does as well... I've found that with my puppy a mix of both work really well.

A mixture of both worked for my dog Max....he's pretty agreeable by nature though. My neighbor has 2 boxers...he said the older of the two is a hard head and the "reward" method failed miserably....he had to take the alpha route with him....the younger of the two is a lot like Max...he just wants to make friends and play, play play.....the "reward" method works like a champ with him.

[CrazyKell]

I use a combination of both.

I don't use treats except for when she goes in her crate but that's more to direct her by scent rather than it is about the reward.

She's also on a strict schedule to allow for some consistency.

This is my first puppy that I've had to train (despite growing up with dogs), so it's been a bit of an eye opener but a really rewarding experience.

I'm also reading Cesar's book "How to Raise the Perfect Dog" and it's a great read for anyone with a puppy OR thinking about getting one. Lots of great information.

[skiergirl]

keep in mind, a reward doesn't have to mean treat. Taking a moment to give them a few 'good dog' comments and rubbing them or petting them is as much a reward as a treat if you are excited about it they will be to.

[Particle Man]

rubbing them or petting them is as much a reward as a treat if you are excited about it they will be to.
That works on us men too, ladies
:whatwhat:

[Rangerscott]

http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/705/705192/south-park-tsst-20060504070616260-000.jpg

[marko138]

I use both methods. My dog is generally well behaved. Though, lately he's been a little unruly. We've been running. The days we don't get a run in he's sorta bad.

[Kaneman]

Just kidding about the gay part...don't know if he is.

Cesar uses the pack leader/alpha dog approach to training and from what I can tell, he does it well. Most trainers use the positive re-enforcement approach aka give a treat when the dog does what you want. That is ok also. Victoria Stillwell aka "It's me or the dog" on Animal planet uses this, and is 100% against the pack leader/alpha dog style.

Cesar doesn't do training, he does aggression/behavioral problem rehab. Mostly what Cesar is good at is taking dogs that would otherwise be put to sleep and teaching them how to act an interact with others.

You can't do that with a cutesy voice, a clicker and pocket of treats. Sorry. All the anti-Cesar people are A) Idiots and B) Never owned an aggressive dog.

[Kaneman]

The Pit-Bull forum is intensely anti-Cesar, you can even buy anti-Cesar buttons over there. They hate Cesar Millan more than they ever hated Michael Vick. Craziest thing man. Here's this guy that's done more to push a positive image of Pit Bulls to the public than all of them put together ever will, and they hate him.

The irony is, of course, that their dogs are so aggressive they'd never even consider letting them play with other dogs....but you know, Cesar's methods are just so mean.

[CrazyKell]

The Pit-Bull forum is intensely anti-Cesar, you can even buy anti-Cesar buttons over there. They hate Cesar Millan more than they ever hated Michael Vick. Craziest thing man. Here's this guy that's done more to push a positive image of Pit Bulls to the public than all of them put together ever will, and they hate him.

The irony is, of course, that their dogs are so aggressive they'd never even consider letting them play with other dogs....but you know, Cesar's methods are just so mean.

Cesar doesn't seem mean to me at all.

Those are the idiots that give pitts a bad name unfortunately.

Why do they hate him? :scratch:

[Kaneman]

Cesar doesn't seem mean to me at all.

Those are the idiots that give pitts a bad name unfortunately.

Why do they hate him? :scratch:

They, along with quite a few people including the ASPCA, denounce his Pack methods as barbaric, abusive and detrimental to a dog's mental stability. To them positive reinforcement is the only thing you should ever give a dog. They claim there are so many other, humane ways you can use.

And then in the next thread they'll be talking about how they'd never, EVER, EEEVVVEEERRR take their dogs to a dog park, "Cause its just too dangerous, you never know what could happen."

Unless of course your dog respects you, then you'll know exactly what can happen. My very high drive Pit Bull, for example, has been attacked by numerous dogs and never retaliated. Why? Because his first reaction is to look to me for guidance and protection.

[Inferno]

They, along with quite a few people including the ASPCA, denounce his Pack methods as barbaric, abusive and detrimental to a dog's mental stability. To them positive reinforcement is the only thing you should ever give a dog. They claim there are so many other, humane ways you can use.

And then in the next thread they'll be talking about how they'd never, EVER, EEEVVVEEERRR take their dogs to a dog park, "Cause its just too dangerous, you never know what could happen."

Unless of course your dog respects you, then you'll know exactly what can happen. My very high drive Pit Bull, for example, has been attacked by numerous dogs and never retaliated. Why? Because his first reaction is to look to me for guidance and protection.

LOL, I was just about to say the same thing. Cesar uses "fringe" tactics...but they work if you know how to use them. At the same time, his tactics might get you bit.

[OneSickPsycho]

They, along with quite a few people including the ASPCA, denounce his Pack methods as barbaric, abusive and detrimental to a dog's mental stability. To them positive reinforcement is the only thing you should ever give a dog. They claim there are so many other, humane ways you can use.

And then in the next thread they'll be talking about how they'd never, EVER, EEEVVVEEERRR take their dogs to a dog park, "Cause its just too dangerous, you never know what could happen."

Unless of course your dog respects you, then you'll know exactly what can happen. My very high drive Pit Bull, for example, has been attacked by numerous dogs and never retaliated. Why? Because his first reaction is to look to me for guidance and protection.

That's fucking insane... it amazes me that anyone would denounce a method that treats a dog like... A FUCKING DOG! and not a person... especially the ASPCA.

[Kaneman]

LOL, I was just about to say the same thing. Cesar uses "fringe" tactics...but they work if you know how to use them. At the same time, his tactics might get you bit.

Maybe, but if you don't want to get bit then you should not deal with extremely out of control and aggressive animals. It has nothing to do with Cesar's methods, but with the dog itself. Plenty of "crazy" dogs would bite you if you tried to give them a treat or pet them too.

Cesar's methods and teaching definitely helped save my dog's life.

[Kaneman]

That's fucking insane... it amazes me that anyone would denounce a method that treats a dog like... A FUCKING DOG! and not a person... especially the ASPCA.

Its not surprising at all, most dog "professionals" don't have any knowledge of scientific canine behaviors. Shelters and rescues are the absolute worst, Vets are right behind them.

[CrazyKell]

I wish people could see the way my roommate is raising her two huskies.

When they jump up on her (tall enough to reach her shoulders), she laughs and smiles and says in a cutesy voice "oooh inuk". :rolleyes:

When they jump up on the couch she laughs.

But when they get out of the yard and won't come back, or when she tries to walk them and they're all over the place....she gets angry at them. :screwy:

Just last night I was getting Lulu ready for her walk, and she said to her friend that was there "Kelly's a lot better at actually taking her dog out for a walk" and her friend said "Oh but A, you're a postal worker so you walk all day, the last thing you want to do is come home and go for a walk."

Um....how about NOT buying 2 dogs that were born and bred to run for hours on end then. :shrug:

[OneSickPsycho]

I wish people could see the way my roommate is raising her two huskies.

When they jump up on her (tall enough to reach her shoulders), she laughs and smiles and says in a cutesy voice "oooh inuk". :rolleyes:

When they jump up on the couch she laughs.

But when they get out of the yard and won't come back, or when she tries to walk them and they're all over the place....she gets angry at them. :screwy:

Just last night I was getting Lulu ready for her walk, and she said to her friend that was there "Kelly's a lot better at actually taking her dog out for a walk" and her friend said "Oh but A, you're a postal worker so you walk all day, the last thing you want to do is come home and go for a walk."

Um....how about NOT buying 2 dogs that were born and bred to run for hours on end then. :shrug:

But, but... they're soooooooooo cute! :vomit:

[azoomm]

Its not surprising at all, most dog "professionals" don't have any knowledge of scientific canine behaviors. Shelters and rescues are the absolute worst, Vets are right behind them.

I agree with this.

We have trained our dogs with pack methods, it's a language dogs *get*.

[Dave]

I agree with this.

We have trained our dogs with pack methods, it's a language dogs *get*.

Dogs and cats.

[CrazyKell]

Forgot to mention I got my tickets yesterday to his Cesar Millan Live show. I see him November 2nd. Should be interesting.

My roommate's going too. Here's hoping she listens. ;)

[Dave]

Forgot to mention I got my tickets yesterday to his Cesar Millan Live show. I see him November 2nd. Should be interesting.

My roommate's going too. Here's hoping she listens. ;)

If she doesn't you can try his methods on her directly ;)

[KSGregman]

If she doesn't you can try his methods on her directly ;)

And film it....for purely educational purposes, of course. :lol:

[Dave]

And film it....for purely educational purposes, of course. :lol:

Rule 35

[skiergirl]

I live in a neighborhood where about every 2nd or 3rd house has a dog and I see maybe 1 person a week actually walking them. It's sad, they wonder why they bark and misbehave - try letting them get some energy out and see something beyond their fenced in yard.

We walk rocky pretty faithfully every morning for 20-30 minutes and every night for 30-45 depending and even that is not much for a large working dog breed.

[CrazyKell]

I live in a neighborhood where about every 2nd or 3rd house has a dog and I see maybe 1 person a week actually walking them. It's sad, they wonder why they bark and misbehave - try letting them get some energy out and see something beyond their fenced in yard.

We walk rocky pretty faithfully every morning for 20-30 minutes and every night for 30-45 depending and even that is not much for a large working dog breed.

I want to walk Lulu in the mornings but I am very lazy about getting up and not a morning person at all. :(

I have her out lots, but still haven't kicked my own ass to get up and walk her.

She goes for 30-45 minutes every night though rain or shine.

[OTB]

That's fucking insane... it amazes me that anyone would denounce a method that treats a dog like... A FUCKING DOG! and not a person... especially the ASPCA.

Ya gotta look at the whole "Animal Rights Movement" for that answer, of which the ASPCA is a part...they view the animals as superior to man; animals=cute or noble....man=blight upon the planet. That is a part of it, the Muver Earf Movement which idealizes "Nature" and demonizes Man.

The other part is the psychosis of the owners themselves. Look at the resistance he gets when people CALL him to help with a out-of-control pet. "I know you are right, Cesar, but it's my boo-boo we're talking about. Even if he sleeps on my bed, shits in the corner and bites me when I don't feed him/her fast enough, I don't wanna hurt his feelings".............

I've had numerous dogs; we have two Golden Retrievers that we love as if we had kids.....but you wouldn't take improper behavior from a child, so why tolerate it in a dog?

Our girls are from very different backgrounds; one has champion bloodlines, but had crooked teeth, so wasn't show material; the other we got as a rescue from an abusive home; (Really???, you'd abuse a fricken GOLDEN RETRIEVER?". There just aren't enough bullets to solve THAT problem.)

Our dogs "work" in our store every day; they may meet a hundred or so strangers on a busy holiday day. They wag their tails at almost everybody, but they don't jump up and they don't crowd people as happy goldens like to do...we don't allow it, the employees don't allow it and we make sure the customers don't encourage it. We have little kids and little old ladies in the store all the time and it wouldn't do to have one of them knocked over due to over-exuberance.

We don't have them on leash..we don't need to; a simple sharp word or command at they knock off even the beginnings of bad behavior....but you gotta watch em like hawks all the time and react EVERY time you see the beginnings of bad behavior...because they are DOGS...

[OTB]

Its not surprising at all, most dog "professionals" don't have any knowledge of scientific canine behaviors. Shelters and rescues are the absolute worst, Vets are right behind them.

The other part is the idiots who break into zoo's exhibits and then get bitten, mauled or killed by it's inhabitants that we read about from time to time... or this genius:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/park-ridge-naturalist-mauled-to-death-by-bear.html

People just don't wanna believe that animals are animals.

Just because you mean well doesn't mean you're not gonna end up as some critter's breakfast.

[Dave]

The other part is the idiots who break into zoo's exhibits and then get bitten, mauled or killed by it's inhabitants that we read about from time to time... or this genius:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/06/park-ridge-naturalist-mauled-to-death-by-bear.html

People just don't wanna believe that animals are animals.

Just because you mean well doesn't mean you're not gonna end up as some critter's breakfast.

Da bears

[skiergirl]

I want to walk Lulu in the mornings but I am very lazy about getting up and not a morning person at all. :(

I have her out lots, but still haven't kicked my own ass to get up and walk her.

She goes for 30-45 minutes every night though rain or shine.

oh I HATE mornings, despise them in fact and it doesn't matter what time I go to bed. However, it's one sacrifice that also benefits me as walking/jogging in the morning is great for my health and I feel like I have to since Rocky is crated while we work all day. I feel like he NEEDS to have that time to run and get out that excess energy. It really did make a difference in his behavior when he was younger...

[CrazyKell]

oh I HATE mornings, despise them in fact and it doesn't matter what time I go to bed. However, it's one sacrifice that also benefits me as walking/jogging in the morning is great for my health and I feel like I have to since Rocky is crated while we work all day. I feel like he NEEDS to have that time to run and get out that excess energy. It really did make a difference in his behavior when he was younger...

I'm going to have to make the effort. Lulu is crated during the day too.

[KSGregman]

Max goes to his crate while I'm at work....he and I go for a run or play ball every night when I get home from work....he's pretty high energy and his attitude goes south if he doesn't get to go out and play every day.

I look forward to seeing him when I get home from work....look forward to that hour playing with him....the best thing about having a dog is that it doesn't matter to him what kind of day I've had....or the weather....or ANYTHING. EVERY day I come home is the happiest day of his life....EVERY time we go play it's the best thing that's ever happened to him. :lmao:

[CrazyKell]

Max goes to his crate while I'm at work....he and I go for a run or play ball every night when I get home from work....he's pretty high energy and his attitude goes south if he doesn't get to go out and play every day.

I look forward to seeing him when I get home from work....look forward to that hour playing with him....the best thing about having a dog is that it doesn't matter to him what kind of day I've had....or the weather....or ANYTHING. EVERY day I come home is the happiest day of his life....EVERY time we go play it's the best thing that's ever happened to him. :lmao:

I love that look on Lulu's face when she sees me. It's just such unbridled joy! Love that about dogs!