Gun Question

[Amber Lamps]

My GF wants a hand gun for target practice and I ran into a Glock 19C for $400. I've heard good and bad about this weapon...does anyone here have any thoughts?

[Dave]

glocks are never my first choice for target stuff. has she shot before? if so what? if you are doing target practice why not get a good .22?

[Switch]

I would go with a .22 for target practice/plinking. Your wallet will thank you, and she will get used to actually using a firearm correctly so that when she moves up to a .45, it won't be a shocker.

[Switch]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=197200337

[Amber Lamps]

Hmmmm.... but she doesn't want a 22.:lol:

[racedoll]

Don't know much about the "c" model. Hubby has a regular 19 that is pretty nice.

If you have the time, take her to the range to shoot various guns. Being a female I find guns with contoured grips for your fingers tend to not fit my hands very well. Maybe she won't have this problem but for me it makes it less comfortable to shoot.

[Rangerscott]

I wouldnt go with a .22 just for the fact of little recoil. If she's getting a pistol for self defense then I recommend getting the gun she plans to shoot.

Heck, going from my 9mm to my dad's .40 cal made a big difference on recoil and having to control it.

[ontwo]

I agree with Bonesaw. Let her learn to shoot first.

[derf]

I'm a fan of the 9mm glocks, its a good mix between the larger caliburs and teh .22 where it wont hurt your wallet too much, but still can be a good defensive weapon if need be (when going to the range learn how to shoot twice in quick order aka the double tap).

A .22 wouldnt be bad either, but the 9mm gives more bang for a little more dollar.

[caveman]

:sniper:First off, the Compensated model SUCKS. They just add more flash around the sights and blind the shooter of a good continuous sight picture. I worked security for a number of years and carried the Glock 22 Service size .40. I now carry concealed my Glock 23 which is the midsize .40. I recommend a pistol that will fit her hand. If she is like my wife and has small feminine hands then get her a nice small carry pistol. Lots out there. I bought the wife a nice little Bersa .380. Yeah, its a small round but it doesn't kick that much, and when you put two in the chest and one in the head, small rounds still put holes in flesh. Add into the mix a hydroshock round and you get a little more damage.
If you are looking for cost effectiveness then go with a Glock such as the
.380 version G25 compact or the G28 Subcompact. Kel-Tek p32 is nice and compact as well, small enough to fit a grown mans front pocket.
The other thing to consider as well is how will the pistol be carried? Holstered in her back? In her purse?
Refer here to help you decide http://www.idpa.com/

[Amber Lamps]

Thanks everyone!

Some answers;

She's a redneck, her grand pa was Chief of Police and she has fired rifles and hand guns her whole life. FWIW he carried a Glock for most of his law enforcement career. She's fired the Glock on several occasions but never the "C" model, hence the question about the "C" model...

She wants a "mid-size" handgun for target practice and will probably never own a larger caliber hand gun. I'm trying to convince her to go to a wheel gun for cc. My opinion has always been, 9mm for target, 357 for cc and 12 ga for home defense. Nothing says "GET OUT!!!" like the cocking of a shot gun imho.:lol:

Small handguns can be a problem for target practice because they are so light, more of the recoil is transmitted to the hand/wrist. I personally believe that the 9mm/.380 size is perfect for target practice because of it's relatively light recoil and accuracy.

I actually never asked for opinions about "what caliber she should buy?", "what brands do you like?", "what's an economical target ammo?", etc...:lol: I was just wondering if any of you had fired the "C". I hear that it is exceptionally loud and that some shooters have problems at night because of the "flares"...

BTW... checked ammo and knew that the 22 was cheaper but as Derf has said the 9mm can cover several roles. It's a great target gun, it can be used for home defense and the Glock isn't a terrible size for cc in shoulder holster imho. FWIW this isn't her first time to the rodeo, her grandpa gave all the grand kids rifles last Christmas...:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

I agree with Bonesaw. Let her learn to shoot first.

Who said she can't shoot? She out scored everyone at her last skeet shooting class.:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

:sniper:First off, the Compensated model SUCKS. They just add more flash around the sights and blind the shooter of a good continuous sight picture. I worked security for a number of years and carried the Glock 22 Service size .40. I now carry concealed my Glock 23 which is the midsize .40. I recommend a pistol that will fit her hand. If she is like my wife and has small feminine hands then get her a nice small carry pistol. Lots out there. I bought the wife a nice little Bersa .380. Yeah, its a small round but it doesn't kick that much, and when you put two in the chest and one in the head, small rounds still put holes in flesh. Add into the mix a hydroshock round and you get a little more damage.
If you are looking for cost effectiveness then go with a Glock such as the
.380 version G25 compact or the G28 Subcompact. Kel-Tek p32 is nice and compact as well, small enough to fit a grown mans front pocket.
The other thing to consider as well is how will the pistol be carried? Holstered in her back? In her purse?
Refer here to help you decide http://www.idpa.com/


Sigh....:idk: She wants it for target practice but I admit she might want to carry it once her CC permit comes through, applied a few weeks ago. Doubt it as she is eyeballing a pink handled Taurus for CC. I'm a firm believer in wheel guns for pp/cc and will gladly argue the point with anyone. I know what "most cops carry" but my GF is unlikely to get into prolonged gun fights, so I'm sure that 5 will do.:lol: My GF is 6' tall and can easily handle a 9mm thanks. Most likely the gun will be carried in the case to our friends property or the gun range. I might get her a pink shoulder holster for fun, though.

Thanks for the info on the "C" model though. I had heard this can be a problem in low light situations. I honestly don't see this as a problem considering the gun's intended use but it's good information to have.

[Amber Lamps]

I would go with a .22 for target practice/plinking. Your wallet will thank you, and she will get used to actually using a firearm correctly so that when she moves up to a .45, it won't be a shocker.

She knows how to shoot and won't be getting a 45...what ever for?:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

Don't know much about the "c" model. Hubby has a regular 19 that is pretty nice.

If you have the time, take her to the range to shoot various guns. Being a female I find guns with contoured grips for your fingers tend to not fit my hands very well. Maybe she won't have this problem but for me it makes it less comfortable to shoot.

She goes to the range and has her cc pending. She likes the Glock, I personally like the S&W...

[Dave]

hell id be trying to dig up a makarov

[tallywacker]

hell id be trying to dig up a makarov

I vote for makarov as well. Great cheap starter handgun.

[Dave]

I vote for makarov as well. Great cheap starter handgun.

great budget carry that fits smaller hands too. my russian mak has been on home defense duty since victoria moved in

[Smittie61984]

She goes to the range and has her cc pending. She likes the Glock, I personally like the S&W...

I had a S&W 45. That POS was only good for shooting around the broad side of a barn.

I'm not a fan of Glock and I think for a lot of women they are not a great choice. First off Glocks have wide grips on them which women with smaller grips don't like. Also I just can't stand their plastic feel but that is me. I like steel frames and am more of a revolver guy.

Now one my GF shot and liked was the Springfield XD9. I shot it, liked it a lot, and found it to be very accurate. If you get the compact XD9 then you can buy a clip extension which will give it a full grip.

Kahr seemed to be another great choice that my GF really liked.

[HokieDNA01]

I have a Kahr 9mm and a Taurus 9mm. I like both of them.

Amber Lamps...weren't you the one getting into debates with everyone that had CC permits at the rally 2 years ago saying they aren't necessary and why should anyone carry? Funny how things change. One of my old riding buddys was held up at gunpoint in his own home and beaten/robbed just the other night. Very sad.

[Dave]

I had a S&W 45. That POS was only good for shooting around the broad side of a barn.

I'm not a fan of Glock and I think for a lot of women they are not a great choice. First off Glocks have wide grips on them which women with smaller grips don't like. Also I just can't stand their plastic feel but that is me. I like steel frames and am more of a revolver guy.

Now one my GF shot and liked was the Springfield XD9. I shot it, liked it a lot, and found it to be very accurate. If you get the compact XD9 then you can buy a clip extension which will give it a full grip.

Kahr seemed to be another great choice that my GF really liked.

geez, if yer gonna talk smith you have to specify if you mean classic, sigma, or M&P. major differences abound

[Smittie61984]

geez, if yer gonna talk smith you have to specify if you mean classic, sigma, or M&P. major differences abound

I actually don't remember. I tried to block that POS from my memory. Whatever it was, it was similar to the S&W you see cops carry.

[Amber Lamps]

I have a Kahr 9mm and a Taurus 9mm. I like both of them.

Amber Lamps...weren't you the one getting into debates with everyone that had CC permits at the rally 2 years ago saying they aren't necessary and why should anyone carry? Funny how things change. One of my old riding buddys was held up at gunpoint in his own home and beaten/robbed just the other night. Very sad.

Huh? The big argument for against full auto weapons... completely unnecessary. I honestly don't think that it's necessary to carry 24/7. Unlike some people, I believe in individual rights. My GF went and got her CC permit, which is fine by me, her decision, her right. Do I believe that it's necessary to carry a gun everywhere you go? Nope. I don't know what people like your friend do but I have lived in or around the hood for my entire life and I have never been robbed, nor have I had a gun pulled out on me. Weird.

Anyway, whether or not I believe that it is necessary for someone to cc is irrelevant, this is her gun, not mine. I always thought you were for women's rights, funny how things change.

[Amber Lamps]

geez, if yer gonna talk smith you have to specify if you mean classic, sigma, or M&P. major differences abound

I still think the M&P is a great gun, just an opinion of course.

[caveman]

I had a S&W 45. That POS was only good for shooting around the broad side of a barn.

I'm not a fan of Glock and I think for a lot of women they are not a great choice. First off Glocks have wide grips on them which women with smaller grips don't like. Also I just can't stand their plastic feel but that is me. I like steel frames and am more of a revolver guy.

Now one my GF shot and liked was the Springfield XD9. I shot it, liked it a lot, and found it to be very accurate. If you get the compact XD9 then you can buy a clip extension which will give it a full grip.

Kahr seemed to be another great choice that my GF really liked.

Ok, what about the Glock 36 .45cal Slimline. Rather than being able to accept a double stack mag, it only takes a single stack mag and is only 1.13" wide. I don't see how you can say that Glocks are all too fat. As far as the plastic feeling grip; firstly it IS made of a polycabonate, secondly get one of these Hogue Handall (http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=114).

[nhgunnut]

I have to agree the Mak for anyone on a budget is a great choice.
On a different note after running through a series of pistols my wife like the Walther P99 with it's interchangeable back straps so it fits her hand.
She finds it easy to hit with.
That said and I know no one finds them "Cool" her primary carry is a Air weight S&W J Frame. When a gun HAS to work Give me a Wheel Gun.

[wildchild]

my g/f just got the Taurus .38 cal revolver 2" barrel and she loves it. had her shooting it this weekend and just for fun put clay pigeons on the backstop. she was having a blast thrashing those things from 15 - 20 yards away.

[ontwo]

Who said she can't shoot? She out scored everyone at her last skeet shooting class.:lol:

You probably should have clarified that first. :lol:

Oh, and the multi-quote function is wonderful

[marko138]

I love how everyone is a fucking expert on this forum on every subject EVAR.

[ontwo]

I love how everyone is a fucking expert on this forum on every subject EVAR.

Well, duh. Of course we are. It's the interwebz :lol:

[Kaneman]

Glocks have no soul.

[Dave]

Glocks have no soul.

Well, open race glocks do. But that's to be expected with over 50% in aftermarket parts

[defector]

I love how everyone is a fucking expert on this forum on every subject EVAR.
I don't know shit about a Glock C19, religion, politics, or women's hygeine products.
Everything else, I am a goddam walking encyclopedia.

[z06boy]

I love how everyone is a fucking expert on this forum on every subject EVAR.

That seems to be the case on every forum I belong to and one reason I don't post as often as many here. :lol:

*edit* Oh and I like my Glock 27 that I carry and I liked my Glock 23 that I used to own but that doesn't mean that I think it's the best choice for Amber Lamps gf.

[HokieDNA01]

Huh? The big argument for against full auto weapons... completely unnecessary. I honestly don't think that it's necessary to carry 24/7. Unlike some people, I believe in individual rights. My GF went and got her CC permit, which is fine by me, her decision, her right. Do I believe that it's necessary to carry a gun everywhere you go? Nope. I don't know what people like your friend do but I have lived in or around the hood for my entire life and I have never been robbed, nor have I had a gun pulled out on me. Weird.

Anyway, whether or not I believe that it is necessary for someone to cc is irrelevant, this is her gun, not mine. I always thought you were for women's rights, funny how things change.

Well I remember you debating with me and I'm against full autos so I doubt that was the topic. And how did you get that I was against women's rights? I'm a gun owner and female.

[tallywacker]

<----- CC's everwhere, because I can

[racedoll]

Here are a couple of threads I found on another forum that Erik belongs to. Maybe it will help answer any questions you have about the compensated models.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304030

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=412255

[Amber Lamps]

I love how everyone is a fucking expert on this forum on every subject EVAR.

Ah we all do it... I found it funny all the different ASSumptions that were made.:lol: I never said she was a learner, or needed caliber advice, or concealed carry advice, or brand recommendations, or ammo price advice, or gun collecting advice, or that she had small hands....:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

Well I remember you debating with me and I'm against full autos so I doubt that was the topic. And how did you get that I was against women's rights? I'm a gun owner and female.

Because you ASSume that I have a say as to whether or not my GF carries...:lol: This thread is about a gun that she is looking at for TARGET PRACTICE. The thread actually has nothing to do with concealed carry rights. Someone happened to bring it up. I choose to not carry and she wants to carry. I don't think that it is necessary but I don't have or want the right to say whether or not she can carry.

[Amber Lamps]

Here are a couple of threads I found on another forum that Erik belongs to. Maybe it will help answer any questions you have about the compensated models.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304030

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=412255

THANK YOU!!!


/thread closed

[azoomm]

It seems like a great price for that model - is that new? If new - I'd go for it. I've heard both good and bad from the compensated. Most that shoot regularly will tell you it's a waste. "Learn the right way and you won't need compensated." Kind of like the start small people of the motorcycle world.... I'm all for work-smarter not harder. :wink:



FWIW - just stopped in this shop today. They have a tiny little gun shop here in Austin and a huge online presence. They sell all the new items for 10% over their cost.

www.theonlinegunshop.com

Picked this up today, it will be in on Thursday. No shipping because it will be delivered to their shop.http://www.theonlinegunshop.com/shoppingcart/products/FN-66822-FNX9------9MM-----17R---BK%7B47%7DBK-%252d-FN-HERSTAL-S.A..html Best part of the shopping experience is the three ancient dudes sitting in a corner of the shop talking about "damn kids these days..." while cleaning guns :lol:

[ericr]

AL, can't comment on the "C" model, haven't shot one of them but I have a 23 and a 27 that I like a lot. I can hit what I aim at with them and never had a problem with either.

If the seller will let you, see if y'all can test shoot it somewhere first and see if the flash bothers her.

Price wise, its a good deal though. I paid $400 for my 23 used but it didn't have more than a few mags run through it and it has night sights.

[Homeslice]

If she is 6' tall, she would be laughed at at the range with a compensated. I don't see why a person of that size would need it, even a girl. And $400 for that gun isn't that much of a killer deal that it can't be passed up. Seems like about an average deal to me. I'd take her to a gun show and wheel & deal there, among hundreds of choices.

[azoomm]

If she is 6' tall, she would be laughed at at the range with a compensated.

Yup, I laugh at hot chicks with guns at the range all the time... :skep:

WHAT??!?!!

[Rangerscott]

Theres a gun site that I've only heard good things about. Called Billy's guns or billy bob's guns or some shit. Trying to remember.

[Apoc]

Im about to make my first purchase after finally getting a range membership and license, and was considering a glock 9mm because they are so cheap to maintain and fire. But, I want it specificly for target shooting, so im going to be looking for something else a little more accurate. But imo, I think Glocks are badass looking guns.

[Homeslice]

Yup, I laugh at hot chicks with guns at the range all the time... :skep:

WHAT??!?!!

Um OK maybe not literally, but they might be chuckling under their breath :lol:

And not sure what difference it makes whether she is hot or not :?:

I was just saying I don't see the point of a compensator unless A) you're doing some kind of tactical training, shifting between multiple targets quickly, or B) you're an 90-lb midget.

[Apoc]

I really want this.. Nom nom nom nom.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/px4-storm-f-45acp-910-rd-mag/

[Amber Lamps]

I really want this.. Nom nom nom nom.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/px4-storm-f-45acp-910-rd-mag/

I keep looking at this thing... It seems almost perfect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNFJuTUXB4o&feature=player_embedded

[Homeslice]

Damn.........Hate to see a carjacker's face after that :lol:

[Rangerscott]

Read from someone that they like to use mix ammo in their judge. Bullet, 410, bullet, etc.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ORlYmHtx78&feature=player_embedded

[Switch]

She knows how to shoot and won't be getting a 45...what ever for?:lol:

Because it is the only acceptable caliber for a concealed weapon.

If it were me, I would get her a single-stack 1911.

[Switch]

But since you are against .45 and set on a 9mm, get her this with a DA/SA trigger:
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/p2000_general.asp

Don't get a piece of shit Glock.

[Riceaholic]

Damn.........Hate to see a carjacker's face after that :lol:

I have a .410 over-under Derringer that I keep in my truck....it's pretty nasty.:lol:

[Homeslice]

Because it is the only acceptable caliber for a concealed weapon.

If it were me, I would get her a single-stack 1911.

She wants to target shoot first and foremost.......And .45 is too expensive to waste doing that.

[Amber Lamps]

She wants to target shoot first and foremost.......And .45 is too expensive to waste doing that.

Aw don't bother, I got the answers I was looking for. Who cares where the thread goes now?!?!?!:lol:

What's funny is that her grand pa is giving her a 22 next time she goes home and has hinted that a 9mm might be in her stocking this christmas. So don't go out and buy one. Spoiled brat.:wink:

[Amber Lamps]

But since you are against .45 and set on a 9mm, get her this with a DA/SA trigger:
http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/p2000_general.asp

Don't get a piece of shit Glock.

Why would she want a $1000 gun? Side note she mentioned the Hi Point and her grand pa called it a "nigger gun".:lol: Won't be spending the holidays with her family....:lol:

[Switch]

Why would she want a $1000 gun? Side note she mentioned the Hi Point and her grand pa called it a "nigger gun".:lol: Won't be spending the holidays with her family....:lol:

Well, who wouldn't want a $1000 gun?

OH GRANDPA!

[z06boy]

I love how everyone is a fucking expert on this forum on every subject EVAR.


AL, can't comment on the "C" model, haven't shot one of them but I have a 23 and a 27 that I like a lot. I can hit what I aim at with them and never had a problem with either.

If the seller will let you, see if y'all can test shoot it somewhere first and see if the flash bothers her.

Price wise, its a good deal though. I paid $400 for my 23 used but it didn't have more than a few mags run through it and it has night sights.


Glocks have no soul.

Well, open race glocks do. But that's to be expected with over 50% in aftermarket parts


Oh and I like my Glock 27 that I carry and I liked my Glock 23 that I used to own but that doesn't mean that I think it's the best choice for Amber Lamps gf.

Don't know much about the "c" model. Hubby has a regular 19 that is pretty nice.



I'm a fan of the 9mm glocks, its a good mix between the larger caliburs and teh .22 where it wont hurt your wallet too much, but still can be a good defensive weapon if need be (when going to the range learn how to shoot twice in quick order aka the double tap).



:sniper:First off, the Compensated model SUCKS. They just add more flash around the sights and blind the shooter of a good continuous sight picture. I worked security for a number of years and carried the Glock 22 Service size .40. I now carry concealed my Glock 23 which is the midsize .40.

If you are looking for cost effectiveness then go with a Glock such as the
.380 version G25 compact or the G28 Subcompact.


I'm not a fan of Glock and I think for a lot of women they are not a great choice. First off Glocks have wide grips on them which women with smaller grips don't like. Also I just can't stand their plastic feel but that is me. I like steel frames and am more of a revolver guy.


Don't get a piece of shit Glock

:rofl: :rofl: Experts unite !!

[Dnyce]

Why would she want a $1000 gun? Side note she mentioned the Hi Point and her grand pa called it a "nigger gun".:lol: Won't be spending the holidays with her family....:lol:

as wrong as that is, thats hilarious
what was the name of that old movie, "guess whos coming to dinner" or something? lol

[CasterTroy]

:rofl: :rofl: Experts unite !!

:lol: This IS the internet right? :rockwoot:

[Homeslice]

Get a Sig P230/P232, that's a nice-looking "sexy" gun that I bet most chicks would dig. Remember that movie Out of Sight? (best movie of the 90's, btw). J-Lo received one as a gift in that movie.

[Inferno]

Sigs are nice, I had a P226...very well made gun(they are swiss after all lol). With that said, I liked my Glock 17 better. I never shot a G19 or G26, but I am sure they are just as good.

[marko138]

Guns:

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[Amber Lamps]

as wrong as that is, thats hilarious
what was the name of that old movie, "guess whos coming to dinner" or something? lol

Yea except the title would be, "Guess who's getting hung after dinner?":lol:

[Dave]

Yea except the title would be, "Guess who's getting hung after dinner?":lol:

stop being so optimistic, they probably wouldnt wait that long :lol:

[Amber Lamps]

stop being so optimistic, they probably wouldnt wait that long :lol:

Okay..."Guess who's getting shot in the driveway and is going to be dinner for the hogs?":lol:

[Switch]

Roids:

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