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Driver sought in motorcycle crashes that killed 5
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OCOTILLO, Calif. – Authorities were looking for the driver of a car that tried to pass a group of motorcycles and caused another car to lose control on a desert highway, triggering a crash that killed five people and injured six others, officials said.
Seven motorcyclists — members of a club celebrating its 10th anniversary — were ensnared in the collision on two-lane Route 98 near Ocotillo, a few miles north of the Mexico border and 80 miles east of San Diego.
Two men and two women motorcyclists died at the scene Saturday before paramedics arrived, Imperial County Fire Department Capt. Peter Stanton told The Associated Press. One passenger from a car was also killed.
The crash occurred shortly before 1 p.m. as an eastbound gold Honda Accord went into the oncoming lane to pass about a dozen motorcycles, some of them carrying two people, authorities said. That maneuver forced a westbound Dodge Avenger sedan to swerve on to the sandy shoulder to avoid a head-on collision.
Stanton said at that point the westbound car veered back across the road and into the cyclists.
"He lost control and then his vehicle just drove into the group of motorcycles," he said.
The Honda making the pass that triggered the accident was not damaged and did not stop.
"They're looking for that car and the driver," Stanton said. "He didn't stop, he kept going, he fled the scene."
Officials said the driver was a man in a baseball cap.
Two of the dead were a married couple riding the same bike and all four were part of the Saddle Tramps, a San Diego County club celebrating its anniversary with a ride across the desert, California Highway Patrol Officer Deann Goudie told several media outlets.
She said the group had met for breakfast in their hometown of Lakeside before leaving on the trip.
Five people from motorcycles and one from the car were injured, Stanton said. Several motorcycles toward the back of the pack were able to avoid the accident.
Two helicopters landed on the highway to airlift two male patients to San Diego-area hospitals, and four ambulances took patients to local hospitals in Brawley and El Centro, authorities said.
The identities of the dead and injured were not released.
Despite being just two lanes, the highway is heavily traveled as a link between Interstate 8 and Mexicali, Mexico.
pauldun170
11-14-2010, 12:05 PM
The person in the Accord tried to pass a bunch of Harley posers (all in matching robble robble gear) and misjudged the how much space they had to make the maneuver.
All they knew was that the other car hit the dirt and kicked up dust. Probably too scared to stop out of fear that the robble robble would robble him. Might not even know about the deaths.
The folks in the Avenger were probably unaware of how crappy their car was.
Honda accord was being used to smuggle drugs and was in a hurry?
Captain Morgan
11-14-2010, 12:26 PM
Good grief. No matter what, we always have to watch out for idiots. I'd like to know what the whole story is, though. Were the bikers playing games with the Honda, causing him to just decide to pass, or was the Honda just flying down the road? Did the bikers speed up when the Honda tried to pass?
Mikey
11-14-2010, 12:41 PM
The person in the Accord tried to pass a bunch of Harley posers (all in matching robble robble gear) and misjudged the how much space they had to make the maneuver.
All they knew was that the other car hit the dirt and kicked up dust. Probably too scared to stop out of fear that the robble robble would robble him. Might not even know about the deaths.
The folks in the Avenger were probably unaware of how crappy their car was.
Not possible. If you spent more than fifteen seconds in an Avenger, you know how crappy the car is.
smileyman
11-14-2010, 12:59 PM
Maybe we could learn from this sensless tragedy...Maybe proper following distances, staggered formations, maybe even riding fast enough Honda Accord drivers dont get bored and try a suicide pass?
Homeslice
11-14-2010, 01:20 PM
Not possible. If you spent more than fifteen seconds in an Avenger, you know how crappy the car is.
Truth. Probably 60-70% of its sales are to rental fleets. Dodge = cheapest interiors of any brand.
Not possible. If you spent more than fifteen seconds in an Avenger, you know how crappy the car is.
Or a 2 gen eclipse since its the same car. Man legs need not apply
Truth. Probably 60-70% of its sales are to rental fleets. Dodge = cheapest interiors of any brand.
Avenger = mitsubishi
Homeslice
11-14-2010, 01:24 PM
Several motorcycles toward the back of the pack were able to avoid the accident.
.
Seems odd to me. Seems like the riders at the back of the pack would have been the ones to get hit.
If these robblers are anything like the robble parades around here, they like to snarl traffic. The civic driver was probably extremely pissed being behind the pirates and tried a stupid pass after developing serious road rage.
I hate group rides, especially long convoys of slow idiot harley riders.
Homeslice
11-14-2010, 01:24 PM
Avenger = mitsubishi
Dodge uses cheaper interior materials.
Seems odd to me. Seems like the riders at the back of the pack would have been the ones to get hit.
not really, the front pack, probably tried to not let the guy pass and sped up when he overtook the back of the pack. Pretty common occurence around these parts.
The dude should of stopped. He probably would of gotten off with a ticket instead of fleeing the scene.
Homeslice
11-14-2010, 01:29 PM
Doesn't matter what the front of the pack was doing. There is no way in hell for an oncoming car to go off the shoulder and then swerve back onto the road fast enough to still hit the front of the pack. In that amount of time, the front of the pack would have already passed him. It's the riders in the back or middle who are at risk of getting hit.
101lifts2
11-14-2010, 01:39 PM
not really, the front pack, probably tried to not let the guy pass and sped up when he overtook the back of the pack. Pretty common occurence around these parts.
The dude should of stopped. He probably would of gotten off with a ticket instead of fleeing the scene.
If the dude would have stopped he would have been deported. redflip
1. Harley riders doing 40mph and not pulling off the road to let traffic pass.
2. Inexperienced drivers who over correct a situation.
Homeslice
11-14-2010, 01:45 PM
3. cars w/shitty suspension
Dodge uses cheaper interior materials.
That's as well as maybe. Doesn't change the fact that you are talking about a rebodied eclipse
Avenger
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3218/4641/33044820011_large.jpg
Eclipse
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/2922284889_b978c38696.jpg?v=0
What trip was trying to say is that the bikers were jews, and the guy driving the avenger didnt have an oven and decided that his car was the next best thing. The guy in the accord was just an innocent bystander
Homeslice
11-14-2010, 02:01 PM
That's as well as maybe. Doesn't change the fact that you are talking about a rebodied eclipse
Dude that is ancient history. Did you forget about this Dodge Avenger? They did, after all, say SEDAN.
Inferno
11-14-2010, 02:40 PM
eastbound gold Honda Accord
Is that a new color or something?
Dude that is ancient history. Did you forget about this Dodge Avenger? They did, after all, say SEDAN.
I like to forget they make cars anymore other than the chally/charger.
http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2010-11/57629738.jpg
From what I can see of the c pillar you'd appear to be correct. Insert ironic joke about getting hit by a "dodge" here
Amber Lamps
11-14-2010, 03:30 PM
not really, the front pack, probably tried to not let the guy pass and sped up when he overtook the back of the pack. Pretty common occurence around these parts.
The dude should of stopped. He probably would of gotten off with a ticket instead of fleeing the scene.
Happened to Tiffany at the Gap, too bad the HD boys didn't know who they were screwing with...She stuffed them hard in a corner to get by!:lol:
smileyman
11-14-2010, 03:37 PM
Lets all keep in mind that these cruisers cannot ride any quicker than 40 or else they will suffer extreme tassle burn. End the ride all whelped up ya know.
Gas Man
11-14-2010, 04:21 PM
How about we keep in mind that 4 riders lost their lives probably not due to anything they did or didn't do. Keep your eye on the tragedy at hand instead of puking insults to a tragic tragic accident. These people were out on a joyfull riding even and now there are 4 dead riders and 1 dead inocent in the passenger seat of a car. 5 people lost their lives assholes. How would you feel if that was your family. This stupid talk about Harley riders this or that. I guess I'm glad that I know how you would all talk about me if that was me riding.
f'in stupid!
fnfalman
11-14-2010, 04:32 PM
Don't block traffic and piss off the cagers = no road rage, no stupid cagers pass.
Ride properly and the chances of things like this happen are pretty low.
smileyman
11-14-2010, 04:42 PM
No offense meant Gas. Cage drivers kill without regard to who is riding what. My comments were not meant to say they had done anything to deserve it. I only wanted everyone to think about spacing and how to avoid being in the accident.
My 2nd post about tassles was in poor taste due to the tragic nature...
Doesn't matter what the front of the pack was doing. There is no way in hell for an oncoming car to go off the shoulder and then swerve back onto the road fast enough to still hit the front of the pack. In that amount of time, the front of the pack would have already passed him. It's the riders in the back or middle who are at risk of getting hit.
You never know what poor drivers are capable of, I pass a lot on a two lane road going back and forth to work(not talking about the gap either.) Legal passes with a dotted yellow where I have clear room to pass. I am always surprised what some people will do when they are coming at me as I am passing. I have had people swerve all over the place when I had plenty of time to get back over into my lane without effecting them. A lot of drivers are complete tards.
We will never know the circumstances of the story that caused this crash because every person will spin their own version.
How about we keep in mind that 4 riders lost their lives probably not due to anything they did or didn't do. Keep your eye on the tragedy at hand instead of puking insults to a tragic tragic accident. These people were out on a joyfull riding even and now there are 4 dead riders and 1 dead inocent in the passenger seat of a car. 5 people lost their lives assholes. How would you feel if that was your family. This stupid talk about Harley riders this or that. I guess I'm glad that I know how you would all talk about me if that was me riding.
f'in stupid!
Well it's like talking about stupid squids ramming themselves into walls or vehicles, I won't hold any punches for them. If a train of dumb pirates piss off cagers and fuck up the world when the cager goes bananas, then I won't do the same. You know these groups. This is pretty common.
pauldun170
11-14-2010, 06:25 PM
How about we keep in mind that 4 riders lost their lives probably not due to anything they did or didn't do. Keep your eye on the tragedy at hand instead of puking insults to a tragic tragic accident. These people were out on a joyfull riding even and now there are 4 dead riders and 1 dead inocent in the passenger seat of a car. 5 people lost their lives assholes. How would you feel if that was your family. This stupid talk about Harley riders this or that. I guess I'm glad that I know how you would all talk about me if that was me riding.
f'in stupid!
No offense Gas Man but here are the FACTS:
1. The Dodge Avenger is a crappy car
2. It's platform is shared with the Mitsubishi Eclipse
You can call people assholes and I may get flamed for this but the facts are clear.
Thats all I have to say about that....
Homeslice
11-14-2010, 06:26 PM
3. Shitty suspension/tires/tire pressure/driving "skills" for the motherfucking FAIL
Gas Man
11-14-2010, 06:44 PM
You never know what poor drivers are capable of, I pass a lot on a two lane road going back and forth to work(not talking about the gap either.) Legal passes with a dotted yellow where I have clear room to pass. I am always surprised what some people will do when they are coming at me as I am passing. I have had people swerve all over the place when I had plenty of time to get back over into my lane without effecting them. A lot of drivers are complete tards.
Agreed, I have had that happen several times as well.
Well it's like talking about stupid squids ramming themselves into walls or vehicles, I won't hold any punches for them. If a train of dumb pirates piss off cagers and fuck up the world when the cager goes bananas, then I won't do the same. You know these groups. This is pretty common.
I will answer you with you.
We will never know the circumstances of the story that caused this crash because every person will spin their own version.
You, I, nor anybody else here knows exactly what happen beyond 5 people died. Respect that and their families they leave behind. This is completely tragic, regardless of the circumstances.
No offense Gas Man but here are the FACTS:
1. The Dodge Avenger is a crappy car
2. It's platform is shared with the Mitsubishi Eclipse
You can call people assholes and I may get flamed for this but the facts are clear.
Thats all I have to say about that....
This is true... on both counts and not what I was referring to. But those facts and the 5 dead are the only facts thru this thread.
You, I, nor anybody else here knows exactly what happen beyond 5 people died. Respect that and their families they leave behind. This is completely tragic, regardless of the circumstances.
This is not a news article. This is not the every rider who dies memorial section. These people and their families aren't members of this forum. This is TWFix. This is a discussion forum. If I die while this board is around, I fully expect all you bastards to nitpick what I did wrong. I don't give a shit, I'm dead. Andrea and my family don't come here, so they won't care either.
THIS BOARD WILL NOT BE LIKE OTHER BOARDS WHERE WE CAN'T CRITIQUE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF AN ACCIDENT. Creating threads to just say rip is dumb. There are plenty of other boards for that if you want to go that route. Here we disect and talk about things and learn.
Looks like the idiot in the avenger might have been drunk
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-ocotillo-motorcycle-accident,0,3049653.story
weird chain of events right here, road rage idiot scares drunk idiot
Looks like the idiot in the avenger might have been drunk
http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-ocotillo-motorcycle-accident,0,3049653.story
weird chain of events right here, road rage idiot scares drunk idiot
Some of the pirates may have been lit up too...
smileyman
11-14-2010, 07:52 PM
Would make that job as Highway Patrol or Medical First Responder all the more disagreeable and difficult.
101lifts2
11-14-2010, 08:14 PM
Why do many of you think the Avenger has bad suspension? It wasn't the fault of the suspension but rather the drunk Mexican behind the wheel. Mexicans can't drive! Let alone drink and drive.
Gas Man
11-14-2010, 08:15 PM
Here's the thing. NO WHERE does it say anything done by the bikers to cause the accident or in any provoking manner. That's the problem here. It's not a matter of the reports saying the bikers did " " or the bikers harassed the car and then this happened. That's what I'm saying. The off the hip shots that the bikers did ANYTHING wrong based off some prejudice against harley riders is the problem.
101lifts2
11-14-2010, 08:17 PM
First time I've heard Harley riders called pirates.
Alot of times those guys will ride real close to the double yellows when you come up behind to pass.....so I just pass em on the inside. lol
Homeslice
11-14-2010, 08:27 PM
Why do many of you think the Avenger has bad suspension? .
cuz it's fun to make fun of cars that were built for rental fleet duty
pauldun170
11-14-2010, 09:04 PM
Why do many of you think the Avenger has bad suspension? It wasn't the fault of the suspension but rather the drunk Mexican behind the wheel. Mexicans can't drive! Let alone drink and drive.
I can see how your preference in vehicles would lead you to believe that there maybe something good about the Avenger but truth be told the Avenger is a terrible car.
I cant believe you are going to ruin another thread with this kind of bullshit.
Shame on you.
tallywacker
11-14-2010, 09:22 PM
First time I've heard Harley riders called pirates.
Alot of times those guys will ride real close to the double yellows when you come up behind to pass.....so I just pass em on the inside. lol
Pirates I've never heard but ass-pirates on the other hand is pretty common
pauldun170
11-14-2010, 10:17 PM
Here's the thing. NO WHERE does it say anything done by the bikers to cause the accident or in any provoking manner. That's the problem here. It's not a matter of the reports saying the bikers did " " or the bikers harassed the car and then this happened. That's what I'm saying. The off the hip shots that the bikers did ANYTHING wrong based off some prejudice against harley riders is the problem.
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Amber Lamps
11-14-2010, 10:58 PM
Sorry but I agree with Trip. No one has ever hesitated to rag on some guy on a GSXR that lost his life on his bike, including Gasman. I din't see a lot of tears for the family of that missing girl here. Just recently there was an accident in FL that killed a couple bikers and I didn't see any sympathy...:idk:
You can't pick and choose who gets sympathy and who doesn't, Chris. You've been just as heartless in the past... I personally feel sorry for these people and their families, regardless of fault. That's why I have refrained from crass comments about them.
101lifts2
11-14-2010, 11:06 PM
I can see how your preference in vehicles would lead you to believe that there maybe something good about the Avenger but truth be told the Avenger is a terrible car.
I cant believe you are going to ruin another thread with this kind of bullshit.
Shame on you.
It wasn't the suspension homebrew...sorry.
Here's the thing. NO WHERE does it say anything done by the bikers to cause the accident or in any provoking manner. That's the problem here. It's not a matter of the reports saying the bikers did " " or the bikers harassed the car and then this happened. That's what I'm saying. The off the hip shots that the bikers did ANYTHING wrong based off some prejudice against harley riders is the problem.
Who cares? We aren't the jury, judge, police, or even a news org. We are free to speculate on what may have and may have not led up to the events of this crash including the people who lost their lives may have been involved in the circumstances.
First time I've heard Harley riders called pirates.
advrider.com slang
pauldun170
11-15-2010, 12:01 AM
It wasn't the suspension homebrew...sorry.
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/tumblr_l9l59mV13R1qzbduq.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=5103)
NUMBER: 02-001-08
GROUP: Suspension
DATE: February 12, 2008
THIS BULLETIN SUPERSEDES TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN 02-002-07, DATED AUGUST 18, 2007, WHICH SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM YOUR FILES. ALL REVISIONS ARE HIGHLIGHTED WITH **ASTERISKS** AND INCLUDE PART NUMBER AND MODEL CLARIFICATIONS.
SUBJECT:
Rear Suspension Rattle Sound
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves checking for the source of the sound in the rear of the vehicle and if necessary, replacing the rear shocks with ones that include revised tuning, and upper mounting bushings with revised hardness.
MODELS:
2007-2008 (JS41) Sebring/Avenger
NOTE :This information applies to JS models **WITHOUT All Wheel Drive** built through October 1, 2007 (MDH1001XX)
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
Vehicle operator may complain of a rattle, clunking or clicking sound heard from the rear of the vehicle while driving.
DIAGNOSIS:
Verify that all rear suspension components (stabilizer bars, toe links, trailing arms, control arms, cross member, etc.) are tight. Ensure the rear deck lid striker is properly adjusted. If nothing is found to be loose or out of adjustment, perform the Repair Procedure.
pauldun170
11-15-2010, 12:07 AM
Who cares? We aren't the jury, judge, police, or even a news org. We are free to speculate on what may have and may have not led up to the events of this crash including the people who lost their lives may have been involved in the circumstances.
advrider.com slang
Bunch of Meth dealers out on ride near the Mexican border to meet with cartels threaten some arab sheik driving his gold plated Honda Accord to the canonball run causing said sheik to swerve into the other lane as he flees for his life......
Bunch of Meth dealers out on ride near the Mexican border to meet with cartels threaten some arab sheik driving his gold plated Honda Accord to the canonball run causing said sheik to swerve into the other lane as he flees for his life......
They never expected Mr Magoo to be in the other lane coming at them.
101lifts2
11-15-2010, 12:25 AM
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:lol: I should have known...fucker.
caveman
11-15-2010, 12:37 AM
Ok, where is there anything about road rage or other idiocy other than that of the Gold Accord doing 95? then the ding dong in the avenger swerved to the shoulder then over compensated and came back onto the road too fast and struck the biker convoy. I didn't here about an road rage or cyclists blocking. What is the problem here? why all the drama?:skep:
Homeslice
11-15-2010, 12:43 AM
thread fail
Ok, where is there anything about road rage or other idiocy other than that of the Gold Accord doing 95? then the ding dong in the avenger swerved to the shoulder then over compensated and came back onto the road too fast and struck the biker convoy. I didn't here about an road rage or cyclists blocking. What is the problem here? why all the drama?:skep:
We are just guessing why it happened, that's all.
Gas Man
11-15-2010, 07:38 AM
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Can't see image at work... FAIL, not sure who's to blame. Either you or my IT dept.
Sorry but I agree with Trip. No one has ever hesitated to rag on some guy on a GSXR that lost his life on his bike, including Gasman. I din't see a lot of tears for the family of that missing girl here. Just recently there was an accident in FL that killed a couple bikers and I didn't see any sympathy...:idk:
You can't pick and choose who gets sympathy and who doesn't, Chris. You've been just as heartless in the past... I personally feel sorry for these people and their families, regardless of fault. That's why I have refrained from crass comments about them.
But at the point of GSXR boy dealth reporting they probably said "a high rate of speed is suspected as cause". The katana girl, she obviously left her stupid family. Don't remember the FL bikers dieing.
I'm not picking and choosing. I'm identifing facts versus ignorance.
pauldun170
11-15-2010, 08:55 AM
When will the federal government do something about these "Honda Accords or Civics..or whateverthey are" and ban them before anyone else gets hurt?
Why dont they think of the children?
smileyman
11-15-2010, 09:32 AM
Pretty much all I wanted to add was that whether or not your on tourers, cruisers, or sportbikes, the convoy close formation doesnt work out well for anyone. B17s, semis, motorcycles, platoon patrols, ect. Close formations cause some accidents and make others worse...
And about that Avenger recall...What does 'revised hardness' refer to??
ontwo
11-15-2010, 09:40 AM
It took them five hours to notice his breath smelled like alcohol???
pauldun170
11-15-2010, 09:40 AM
Pretty much all I wanted to add was that whether or not your on tourers, cruisers, or sportbikes, the convoy close formation doesnt work out well for anyone. B17s, semis, motorcycles, platoon patrols, ect. Close formations cause some accidents and make others worse...
And about that Avenger recall...What does 'revised hardness' refer to??
It refers to the aging process and the effects on the male penis.
Boner at age 20 compared to at age 50 results in 2 differen meanings for the word "hard"
Chrysler always slips a cock reference into all of their service bulletins.
The person in the Accord tried to pass a bunch of Harley posers (all in matching robble robble gear) and misjudged the how much space they had to make the maneuver.
All they knew was that the other car hit the dirt and kicked up dust. Probably too scared to stop out of fear that the robble robble would robble him. Might not even know about the deaths.
The folks in the Avenger were probably unaware of how crappy their car was.
:lol:
The very last time I rode with my ex-husband I left him (on his Harley) and drove home alone because I was so FREAKING SICK of going 50 in a 55!!
101 my ex was hit head on by a car when he was in his 20's. Later I realized from riding with him (from the safety of my own bike, lol) he hugged that yellow line. I have no doubts that was a huge reason for the accident in the first place...
I know all Harley riders aren't the same, however all the ones I ever rode with were...
First time I've heard Harley riders called pirates.
Alot of times those guys will ride real close to the double yellows when you come up behind to pass.....so I just pass em on the inside. lol
VatorMan
11-15-2010, 10:20 AM
Honda Civic would need 4 miles of clear road to pass 20 bikes. I say sue the Japanese for making slow cars.
Homeslice
11-15-2010, 10:26 AM
Not to mention, Harley riders often ride side by side, instead of staggered like they're supposed to. WTF is that shit about?
Gas Man
11-15-2010, 10:29 AM
Not to mention, Harley riders often ride side by side, instead of staggered like they're supposed to. WTF is that shit about?
It was in flat land cali near mexico in the desert... no harm with no curves. Right?
Papa_Complex
11-15-2010, 10:37 AM
Maybe we could learn from this sensless tragedy...Maybe proper following distances, staggered formations, maybe even riding fast enough Honda Accord drivers dont get bored and try a suicide pass?
They might well have been doing all of the above. There's just no accounting for the stupidity of some people. I've had someone pass me, half in my lane and half on the shoulder, when he didn't think that I was riding fast enough IN THE SLOW LANE, when the speed of traffic was about 30 MPH. Almost hit me and flipped me off while doing it, too.
*EDIT* Crap, next time I'll check the length of the thread before posting a reply to page 1 :lol:
Mikey
11-15-2010, 10:37 AM
It was in flat land cali near mexico in the desert... no harm with no curves. Right?
Yeah, until something unexpected happens- like other traffic wanting to pass your pirate parade or drunken clowns coming the other way. Side by side = no escape route.
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