"You Touch My Junk, I'll Have You Arrested"

[pauldun170]

http://jalopnik.com/5690109/you-touch-my-junk-and-ill-have-you-arrested

[OneSickPsycho]

Good for him! More people need to stand up against this bullshit... I cannot believe how far they are taking this 'security' garbage.

[Dave]

He's just scared someone would see his little peter

[VatorMan]

You don't remember the scene from Total Recall ? Face it-This is what we are coming to.

http://infowars.net/pictures/january2006/120106recallscan.jpg

[Particle Man]

Good for him.

[Mikey]

Good for him! More people need to stand up against this bullshit... I cannot believe how far they are taking this 'security' garbage.

This. If people don't stand up against this bullshit, it's just going to keep getting worse.

[OneSickPsycho]

You don't remember the scene from Total Recall ? Face it-This is what we are coming to.

http://infowars.net/pictures/january2006/120106recallscan.jpg

Honestly, THAT would be ok if it could be done without radiation... The problem with the current system is 1) it produces basically a naked picture of people and 2) it exposes people to radiation.

[Particle Man]

This. If people don't stand up against this bullshit, it's just going to keep getting worse.

Agreed. And depending on the time of year, I fly every week to every other week. Who the hell knows what that shit does over the long term (and there are people more exposed than me, obviously.

This shit tells me that the fucking terrorists have done what they set out to do and that just pisses me right the fuck off.

[z06boy]

I don't like this either but I also don't like getting blown into bits while on an aircraft. It at least lessons the chances. :idk:

Tough choices when trying to protect people and then of course you've got the ones that get rich off of this too...humm...

If I flew often I wouldn't want to have to deal with this on a regular basis either.

Yep...terrorist are sitting back :rofl: at this.

[L8 Braker]

Good for him..

[Tmall]

I don't like this either but I also don't like getting blown into bits while on an aircraft. It at least lessons the chances. :idk:

Tough choices when trying to protect people and then of course you've got the ones that get rich off of this too...humm...

If I flew often I wouldn't want to have to deal with this on a regular basis either.

Yep...terrorist are sitting back :rofl: at this.


You're more likely to slip and die in the shower..

[Avatard]

Yep...terrorist are sitting back :rofl: at this.

Because they won.

We lost our freedoms, and worst of all, we did it to ourselves...with the help of stupid politicians, and the complicit help of all rational people who didn't stand up against the bullshit.

[101lifts2]

LOL....good for him.

Government sucks.. pure and simple. All governments, not just ours.

[z06boy]

You're more likely to slip and die in the shower..

Than what...doing away with security screening at airports and flying alot ? Humm...don't think so.

Just to be clear...I said I don't like these scanners or being searched either.

I guarantee you though...lesson security at the airport and you'll start seeing some more boom boom with commercial aircraft.
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[Avatard]

LOL....good for him.

Government sucks.. pure and simple. All governments, not just ours.

...Of the people, by the people, for the people.

People suck, hence, their governments do.

[azoomm]

Than what...doing away with security screening at airports and flying alot ? Humm...don't think so.

Just to be clear...I said I don't like these scanners or being searched either.

I guarantee you though...lesson security at the airport and you'll start seeing some more boom boom with commercial aircraft.


Actually, your bacon double cheeseburger is more likely to kill you than any accident. But, a fall in your own home is statistically more likely to kill you than a terrorist thread. At least, in this country.

Israel has more security measures and requirements, and yet you're more likely to explode there. It isn't the security measures that save you, it's the common sense of it.

Oh crap... we're fucked...

[Homeslice]

Than what...doing away with security screening at airports and flying alot ? Humm...don't think so.

Just to be clear...I said I don't like these scanners or being searched either.

I guarantee you though...lesson security at the airport and you'll start seeing some more boom boom with commercial aircraft.

Problem is, you can easily carry a bomb (or toxic chemicals) in your carry-on. They don't use sniffers unless you are pulled aside for additional checks. I have carried bags of protein powder in my carryon several times, and nobody asked to see what they were. Ask yourself, what is the bigger risk, someone carrying a deadly device in their bag, or up their anus? It's a fucking waste of taxpayer money to pay for these scanners when they haven't addressed the bigger risk first.

[OneSickPsycho]

Problem is, you can easily carry a bomb (or toxic chemicals) in your carry-on. They don't use sniffers unless you are pulled aside for additional checks. I have carried bags of protein powder in my carryon several times, and nobody asked to see what they were. Ask yourself, what is the bigger risk, someone carrying a deadly device in their bag, or up their anus? It's a fucking waste of taxpayer money to pay for these scanners when they haven't addressed the bigger risk first.

No doubt... and considering how they are too PC to profile the people who are most likely to be a terrorist in the first place... Plus, how much of a risk is it that huge crowds form at the entrance to the security check? You want to bring this country to it's knees?... blow yourself up at the security checkpoint... fuck, you could walk up with 100lbs of exposives and NOBODY would say shit to you.

IMHO, liberty should not be compromised for any false sense of security.

[Gas Man]

I agree. Good for him. More people need to have the balls to object to this shit. I want to watch the video but it wasn't available on the phone.

[Particle Man]

I agree. Good for him. More people need to have the balls to object to this shit. I want to watch the video but it wasn't available on the phone.

They're playing parts on CNN

[Rangerscott]

I'd request a (hot) female to touch me junk. When they say that they can't do that, I'd reply that I'm not a fucking homo like ya'll.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0cgQkT4ScQ&feature=rec-farside_rn-4f-15-HM

[Particle Man]

I'd request a (hot) female to touch me junk. When they say that they can't do that, I'd reply that I'm not a fucking homo like ya'll.
You, uh, haven't really looked at the "trained professional" TSA screeners, huh?

[Rangerscott]

You, uh, haven't really looked at the "trained professional" TSA screeners, huh?

When I landed in Austin, there was some hotty milfs.

[Particle Man]

When I landed in Austin, there was some hotty milfs.

I've been gipped. I want a freaking refund :rant:

[OTB]

Problem is, those backsctter xrays wont do what they are telling us they are for: detecting explosives.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/226924.asp

Let's see; Bombers and terrorists: Must be anglo-saxon busty women and 90 year-old grannys that need scanning and groping, right? Seeing as how those were the profiles of all the bombers and terrorists since 9/11, right? (Fort Hood, Christmas Day Bomber, ect..)

I will make you'all a bet that within the next 30 days there will be a major lawsuit and/or petition for injunction from CAIR or one of the other Islamic groups in the US to except Islamic women from the scanners or "enhanced" patdowns under Islamic law......

I can hardly wait for the headlines, "9th Circuit upholds ban against intrusive screening for Muslims.."; won't THAT be a hoot!

[z06boy]

...Of the people, by the people, for the people.

People suck, hence, their governments do.

This is true

Actually, your bacon double cheeseburger is more likely to kill you than any accident. But, a fall in your own home is statistically more likely to kill you than a terrorist thread. At least, in this country.

Israel has more security measures and requirements, and yet you're more likely to explode there. It isn't the security measures that save you, it's the common sense of it.

Oh crap... we're fucked...

Agree about the bacon double cheeseburger...as far as the "a fall in the home is statistically more likely to kill you than a terrorist" well maybe so but that's only because most of us spend so much more time at home than on a flight so the odds are more likely for you to fall at home...makes sense but do away with security at the airport and fly each and every day and those statistics are likely to change. :idk:

I agree with the last part too. :lol:

Problem is, you can easily carry a bomb (or toxic chemicals) in your carry-on. They don't use sniffers unless you are pulled aside for additional checks. I have carried bags of protein powder in my carryon several times, and nobody asked to see what they were. Ask yourself, what is the bigger risk, someone carrying a deadly device in their bag, or up their anus? It's a fucking waste of taxpayer money to pay for these scanners when they haven't addressed the bigger risk first.

I don't really disagree with this.

I've been gipped. I want a freaking refund :rant:

:rofl: :rofl: Me too !!

No doubt... and considering how they are too PC to profile the people who are most likely to be a terrorist in the first place... Plus, how much of a risk is it that huge crowds form at the entrance to the security check? You want to bring this country to it's knees?... blow yourself up at the security checkpoint... fuck, you could walk up with 100lbs of exposives and NOBODY would say shit to you.

Imho, liberty shouldn't be compromised for any false sense of security.

Now this I agree with more than anything that's been posted here. :yes:

[Homeslice]

Problem is, those backsctter xrays wont do what they are telling us they are for: detecting explosives.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/226924.asp


Articles like this will be ignored, or denied.........the decision has already been made, and the money for the machines has already been promised. People have jobs and reputations to protect.

[Dave]

Actually, your bacon double cheeseburger is more likely to kill you than any accident. But, a fall in your own home is statistically more likely to kill you than a terrorist thread. At least, in this country.

Israel has more security measures and requirements, and yet you're more likely to explode there. It isn't the security measures that save you, it's the common sense of it.

Oh crap... we're fucked...

I suppose I could agree with this if I still lived in tx. Being smack dab in the middle between dc, nyc, and philly though ill just as happily hang on to the vests and geiger counter. Not that I think ill need them anytime soon. Still with the logical conclusion of me being the center of the universe (and its purpose being to annoy and inconvienience me) you guys should thank me for the safeguard. :lmao:

I'm keeping the cheeseburgers though :P

[Avatard]

IMHO, liberty should not be compromised for any false sense of security.

In your opinion, my opinion, and the opinion of Ben Franklin who said the exact same fucking thing over 200 years ago.

Amazing how the more things change, the more they remain the same.

Be sure to point that out to any fucking nitwit who would dismiss the US Constitution as being written at a time that didn't take into account modern societal challenges.

THESE BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS ARE ABSOLUTE, AND DON'T CHANGE.

You should have the right to not be detained and searched without warrant, or suffer this invasion of your person, as this is essentially an assumption of guilt...and in a free society, you are not assumed to be guilty of doing anything wrong, until you actually DO something wrong, as the majority of people are good citizens.

To do else is to punish the majority of good folks, for the transgressions of a small few, which is essentially what the TSA does every fucking day.

This is flat-out un-American, and Americans should take their constitutional rights BACK.

I fully support the protests currently underway, and I think Americans have to be more involved in making sure that Government, in fact, serves THEM. That's what it's for.

Take it back.

[KSGregman]

Fucking hell....the apocolypse is upon is....Margery Eagan at the Boston Herald has written an op/ed piece that I agree with. :O

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20101116freedom_fades_as_we_grope_for_answers/

FREEDOM FADES AS WE GROPE FOR ANSWERS

So here are your airport choices: submit to sexual molestation or spread your legs, hands over head, and get radiated while some TSA guys down the hall check out your naked body.

To use the overused line, the terrorists have won.

Somewhere, wherever, Osama bin Laden revels in how he’s cowed and humiliated all of us once tough, brave, freedom-loving Americans. I just can’t believe we’re letting the government get away with this baloney.

Think about this, you fools who actually believe naked scanning and crotch grabbing will prevent future terrorists attacks. Think about your 15-year-old daughter’s breasts being squeezed by some stranger.

Think about your pregnant wife being X-rayed, which damages the unborn. Many scientists insist scanners will also increase cancer risk in small children and adolescents. Think of those already sexually molested now facing a public, government-sponsored molestation anytime they take the shuttle to New York.

Meanwhile, while we pathetic little lambs agree to be treated like mass-murder suspects, Osama’s minions are devising clever ways to circumvent us.

Of course, the biggest pusher of scanners is Michael Chertoff, the ex-Homeland Security chief under former President George Bush. The California company that makes the back scanner-style machine was his private client while he was all over TV singing scanners’ praises.

The current Homeland Security chief, Janet Napolitano, has no credibility either. She’s still insisting scanners are “safe, efficient” and that privacy is protected because “the imaging technology that we use cannot store, export, print or transmit images.”

Whoops. U.S. Marshals have already admitted saving 35,000 naked body images from a scanning machine at a federal courthouse in Florida.

I can’t wait for the lucrative TSA black market in naked body scans of 15-year-old boys and girls — and those of famous celebrities.

I can’t wait either for the next so-called “necessary” safety measure. Scanners don’t detect contraband in body cavities. Get ready for airport colonoscopies and gynecological exams. Why not? We all know the safety-first hysterics idiotic mantra: “If that colonoscopy saves one life...”

Refusing to complete the screening process once it’s begun subjects you to civil penalties. My new hero, John Tyner, found that out when he refused to let a TSA screener, in his moving rallying cry, “Don’t touch my junk.” Tyner is facing a $10,000 fine.

Oh, what a passive, steam-rolled embarrassment of a nation we’ve become. As Ben Franklin said so well, “Those who would give up essential liberty to buy a little temporary safety deserve neither.” That’s us, 2010: deserving neither.

[Homeslice]

Scanners don’t detect contraband in body cavities.
I thought they did?

[Particle Man]

I thought they did?

External only iirc

[derf]

I thought they did?

Nope, you can put a razor blade in your mouth and the thing wouldnt see it. Hell, you can put the barrel of a handgun up your ass and the rest conspicuously taken apart in your carry on (if placed right it wouldnt look like much to a xray scanner if it was made out of those cool composites), then assemble it after security. Even worse you dont actually need to put anything IN your body, all you need to do is slide something dangerous between your toes or your ass cheeks and scanner thing cant see it.

Add to that how easy it is to fool the loophole in airport security that allows even the most inept terrorists on the no fly list a way to get on a plane

http://www.slate.com/id/2152507/

Next time I fly if I have to go through that I'm gonna tell the TSA guy that I'm gay and I could use a tug, see how much he likes touching me then.

I can't go through the scanner anyway, I talked to a doctor about it and he said because of my track record with skin cancer I should avoid radiation whenever possible. The backscatter machines just dump radiation onto your skin, most of which gets absorbed in the outer layers, give it a few years and I will almost bet there will be a huge number of TSA employees in a class action suit who have radiation sickness or are sterile or have skin cancer or something like that. These are small steady doses, and none of these people are wearing lead coverings.

[Particle Man]

Next time I fly if I have to go through that I'm gonna tell the TSA guy that I'm gay and I could use a tug, see how much he likes touching me then.

You watch: they will bring a civil suit against YOU for sexual harassment even though YOU are the one getting felt up

[Homeslice]

I can't go through the scanner anyway, I talked to a doctor about it and he said because of my track record with skin cancer I should avoid radiation whenever possible. The backscatter machines just dump radiation onto your skin, most of which gets absorbed in the outer layers, give it a few years and I will almost bet there will be a huge number of TSA employees in a class action suit who have radiation sickness or are sterile or have skin cancer or something like that. These are small steady doses, and none of these people are wearing lead coverings.

Are you serious about this? My dad's side has a problem with cancer, and I'd like to know if this backscatter thing is really a significant risk. What did your doctor actually say? What about internal organs? From what you are saying it only penetrates skin-deep and no more?

[TYEster]

Great, looking forward flying again first week after thanksgiving!

I can't wait to see what happens because I won't be laying down for any government installed programs whom have caught 0 terrorists.

[Particle Man]

Are you serious about this? My dad's side has a problem with cancer, and I'd like to know if this backscatter thing is really a significant risk. What did your doctor actually say? What about internal organs? From what you are saying it only penetrates skin-deep and no more?

It's radiation regardless of the wavelength... There would have to be some skin penetration. The machine would only be able to pick up what was reflected back but your body has to absorb some of it.

[derf]

Are you serious about this? My dad's side has a problem with cancer, and I'd like to know if this backscatter thing is really a significant risk. What did your doctor actually say? What about internal organs? From what you are saying it only penetrates skin-deep and no more?

Doc said that there is conflicting studies for and against the back scatter machines. The TSA and backscatter company commissioned studies all say that they are harmless and give off less radiation than you would get in a flight, most likely scientific propoganda that was analyzed in a way to distort the data to one viewpoint. Other studies have said otherwise, that the amount of radiation per scan is 1/10th of a regular xray.

Xrays are bad for you, they cause all kinds of nasty stuff, genetic deformations and cancer, organ failure, plus other stuff that we don't even yet know of. 1/10th of an xray doesnt seem like much, until you find out that an xray gives off many times the amount of radiation that you would get in week, months or years of your life. Too much radiation on yor balls or ovaries can also cause leukiemia in your children. The folks that do xrays always stand behind a lead lined shield or in a lead lined room, why should this bombardment of radiation be any different? or will the fact that they (along with every other person who is in the area stand off to the side) protect them?

Personally i just don't see any reason to subject myself to more radiation than I need to, especially not for a useless security measure such as this. All it really is, is a look at what we are doing to make it a little bit harder measure. What about the trains & train stations? How about Malls, highways, bridges, tunnels? You want to pull a big job? Go strap times explosives to your chest with a dead mans trigger and start shooting into a crowd with a machine gun and when the cops finally kill you and they secure the scene, 2 minutes after you die it goes boom. Do it in a public place and get a months worth of news cyles, do it in the mall of america.

[Homeslice]

Well, most people get multiple zaps to their head by a dentist every year. Plus if they break an arm or something, that's another one. So, I dunno. 1/10th of an x-ray doesn't seem like a big deal unless you fly often. I was looking forward to using it as an excuse, lol.

[derf]

Well, most people get multiple zaps to their head by a dentist every year. Plus if they break an arm or something, that's another one. So, I dunno. 1/10th of an x-ray doesn't seem like a big deal unless you fly often. I was looking forward to using it as an excuse, lol.

I flew 128 times last year, and I expect to fly just under 50 times this year, for me it is a big deal. Dental and medical xrays are worth the trade off to me, inept security is not.

Not that any current security measures are worth a damn anyway, I could make a pretty bad ass shank in 5 minutes with a lighter, toothbrush and a disposable razor, even a crappy few use disposable low velocity handgun could easily be passed through security. If I really wanted to fuck up a plane all I had to do is drive down to the airport and lob a grenade over the fence to a plane that is pulling out of the jetway. I am not sure, but I think I'm the only person who sees these holes in security.

[Particle Man]

Whever possible I've driven but it's damn near impossible to do these days because my client base is spread ever wider over the country. I'm in a similar boat as Derf: I fly a lot and that crap would build up over time.

[Dave]

scientific propoganda that was analyzed in a way to distort the data to one viewpoint.

Climate change.

[z06boy]

Enlightening thread...and yes I'm being serious. :lol: I don't know if most of what's posted here is true or not but it has sure raised a few issues that I wasn't aware of and enough to make me look further into it. :hss:

[pauldun170]

:lol:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/11/tsa-opt-out-day-now-with-a-superfantastic-new-twist/66545/
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/11/on-the-kilt-question-tsa-dept-updated/66549/

[Avatard]

I say we start a rumor that the scanner machines are memory erasing and programming devices that brainwash you and allow government mind control.

Now, if we could convince Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, or Bill O'Reilly, and they ran with it, the machines would be scrapped inside of a week.

"I ain't gettin' in no branwashing machine"

[z06boy]

:lol:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/11/tsa-opt-out-day-now-with-a-superfantastic-new-twist/66545/
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/11/on-the-kilt-question-tsa-dept-updated/66549/


:rofl: :rofl:


On another note...


I think the next time I fly I'm going to try my 'hardest' to get an erection just before entering this machine and have the head protruding slightly above my boxer briefs...just to give them in the 'back room' some entertainment. :lol:


Ok sorry for that visual. :rofl: :rofl:

[Homeslice]

People shouldn't invent some silly game to annoy the TSA, it's only going to make them crack down with more regulations. Instead, just opt out and force them to take the time to pat you down. That's enough of a message. Plus write your congressman.

[VatorMan]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4uhz7z8CuY/TOLKUip8aCI/AAAAAAAAK98/GR9Uh_v6WNQ/s1600/tsa-humor-book-745338.jpg

[Particle Man]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_y4uhz7z8CuY/TOLKUip8aCI/AAAAAAAAK98/GR9Uh_v6WNQ/s1600/tsa-humor-book-745338.jpg

:lmao:

[Gas Man]

That's awesome.

[z06boy]

That's awesome.


:iagree: :rofl: Poor kid...poor us.

[Homeslice]

That's awesome.

because you dream of doing it? redflip

[z06boy]

I posted this in the other thread but should have posted it here...

So all Muslim and or Islamic women dressed like in the below pic are having to choose between the backscatter x-ray machine and the TSA pat down too...correct ? There are no special provisions for them or anyone else right ?

If a Muslim or Islamic man doesn't even want other men to see his wife's skin...it will be interesting to see how they react to the above two new procedures. They better have to submit to this just like everyone else does.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X9rsT5VfdBw/THpQyvlS4VI/AAAAAAAAAAk/ZA7ACgI85ag/s1600/muslim_women_615.jpg

[derf]

I posted this in the other thread but should have posted it here...

So all Muslim and or Islamic women dressed like in the below pic are having to choose between the backscatter x-ray machine and the TSA pat down too...correct ? There are no special provisions for them or anyone else right ?

If a Muslim or Islamic man doesn't even want other men to see his wife's skin...it will be interesting to see how they react to the above two new procedures. They better have to submit to this just like everyone else does.


Sounds like an ACLU lawsuit waiting to happen to me. A government agency infringinging on a religion. And when the TSA touches little kids genitals.

There is already a bill in congress (from Ron Paul) to not provide immunity to TSA agents who search people. Meaning if they touch you , you can sue and they along with the TSA will be held liable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qwsdq69AHnw

[Captain Morgan]

... And when the TSA touches little kids genitals.

This is where I'm going to have serious issues with it. I won't stand for my daughter to walk through the machine and have them look at her genitals, nor will I allow them to do a full pat down and grab her crotch. I don't care if it's a female TSA agent or not.

[Rangerscott]

I'll grab my own nuts while I'm flippin them the bird.


http://flipthatbird.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/marc-anthony.jpg
















Then they be all.....

http://blogs.app.com/saywhat/files/2009/01/swat.jpg

[derf]

This is where I'm going to have serious issues with it. I won't stand for my daughter to walk through the machine and have them look at her genitals, nor will I allow them to do a full pat down and grab her crotch. I don't care if it's a female TSA agent or not.

If you or I would do that it would be called molestation, even if it was your job.

[Homeslice]

They stop after they hit your junk. They don't fondle it or give you a testicular exam or anything. What would you rather have them do, guess where your junk begins, and stop before that? Not really possible.

[Rangerscott]

They stop after they hit your junk. They don't fondle it or give you a testicular exam or anything. What would you rather have them do, guess where your junk begins, and stop before that? Not really possible.

People believe me when I tell them my dong touches my shins.

[Homeslice]

Full size of your avatar please.

[Rangerscott]

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/julie-bowen-underwear.jpg

[Particle Man]

My goodness

[Rangerscott]

She's not young, but.....


http://www.myspaceantics.com/images/myspace-graphics/funny-pictures/id-tap-that-ass.gif

[derf]

People believe me when I tell them my dong touches my shins.

3/4 way up the thigh for white men
groin for chinese
ankle for black men
open palm up the outside and front of the thigh and up past the waist

I can still hide a shank between my ass cheeks and they would never know, make a pretty sturdy weapon from a small razor, lighter and a toothbrush, or put liquid explosives in some containers marked saline solution (as large a container as I want, medical supplies are exempt from the 3 oz rule). the point is that the techniques used are ineffective, overly invasive, and just plain stupid. Where does it stop? Should they go up a girls skirt? What if she isn't wearing underwear? Can the pat down or the machine see a tampon?If it cant see a tampon, theres plenty of shit you can do.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/13/128763820778085049.jpg

[Gas Man]

I posted this in the other thread but should have posted it here...

So all Muslim and or Islamic women dressed like in the below pic are having to choose between the backscatter x-ray machine and the TSA pat down too...correct ? There are no special provisions for them or anyone else right ?

If a Muslim or Islamic man doesn't even want other men to see his wife's skin...it will be interesting to see how they react to the above two new procedures. They better have to submit to this just like everyone else does.


Exactly! So i guess I just have to say it's all against my religion. The religion of the spagheti monster.

Sounds like an ACLU lawsuit waiting to happen to me. A government agency infringinging on a religion. And when the TSA touches little kids genitals.

There is already a bill in congress (from Ron Paul) to not provide immunity to TSA agents who search people. Meaning if they touch you , you can sue and they along with the TSA will be held liable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qwsdq69AHnw

I can't see the vid at work but I would back this idea on them being held liable. Just like the start of this topic guy said, "if they weren't the govt it would be illegal".

This is where I'm going to have serious issues with it. I won't stand for my daughter to walk through the machine and have them look at her genitals, nor will I allow them to do a full pat down and grab her crotch. I don't care if it's a female TSA agent or not.

Exactly!! And I'd cheer you on!

They stop after they hit your junk. They don't fondle it or give you a testicular exam or anything. What would you rather have them do, guess where your junk begins, and stop before that? Not really possible.

Yes they can guess. My brother a sheriff says even in the county jail (where you lost your rights) they don't touch your junk. Even for women deputies patting down other women, they don't touch their boobs. They feel up the leg till about boxer underwear spot on the thigh. Then continue down the other thigh around the same area. They make the men shake their shorts (underwear) to drop anything that may be there. They make women pull their bras out and shake or turn the underwires inside out, again to release anything held up there. They DO NOT touch anything in genital or boobs (on women). Plain and simple. I know my wife would freak but I would not let them do either of those exams.

[Rangerscott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Qwsdq69AHnw


I applaud.

[derf]

I applaud.

I sent my congressman a message that he should support that shit

[Gas Man]

Just watched ron paul video. I simply love tt guy. Always have. Simple logical law making man.

[Homeslice]

Yes they can guess. My brother a sheriff says even in the county jail (where you lost your rights) they don't touch your junk. Even for women deputies patting down other women, they don't touch their boobs. They feel up the leg till about boxer underwear spot on the thigh. Then continue down the other thigh around the same area. They make the men shake their shorts (underwear) to drop anything that may be there. They make women pull their bras out and shake or turn the underwires inside out, again to release anything held up there. They DO NOT touch anything in genital or boobs (on women). Plain and simple. I know my wife would freak but I would not let them do either of those exams.

And how realistic is any of that for an airport? Come on, they aren't going to make people remove their bra or shake their underwear in an airport. That's why they do a more aggressive patdown instead.

I understand people's concern about their kids, but WTF do you care if you get patted down yourself? I would much rather get pat down than help pay for some stupid $200,000 machine that doesn't really accomplish shit except exposing me to radiation.

[derf]

t WTF do you care if you get patted down yourself?

Rape victim? General Privacy?

[z06boy]

Some very good points brought up here especially with the kids...females in skirts with no panties etc. If they can't detect a tampon or anything up your rectum do they not think terrorist are reading this and saying "humm....ok...no problem". :idk:

Someone brought up liquid explosives....soooooooo....what about people with a Colostomy Bag ? Ok so who's to say what is really in it ?

Boy isn't this just grand ?

[anthonyk]

I get patted down every time in some overseas airports, and they don't find it necessary to run all the way up to my junk. I'm with the Israelis on this one... rely on looking at the people and their behavior, not inspecting everything ad nauseum.

[KSGregman]

I understand people's concern about their kids, but WTF do you care if you get patted down yourself? I would much rather get pat down than help pay for some stupid $200,000 machine that doesn't really accomplish shit except exposing me to radiation.

It's people like you that will ensure that this stupidity won't stop until the TSA requires a full cavity search of EVERYONE before we can board an airplane.

It's fucking assinine....not to mention infuriating.

WTF do I care if I get patted down?! Seriously?! You would file, and win, an assault charge if someone touched you that way any where else in public.

What is so wrong with profiling those, behaviorly or otherwise, most likely to cause trouble and stop with the obscenely intrusive "security" measures that are a political grandstand rather than a REAL attempt at providinig security anyway? It works elsewhere....why not here?

If we are truly serious about stopping those committed to causing the flying public harm, why not focus our efforts on THEM. It's not like recent history has made it difficult to isolate which segment of the flying public the bombers come from.

[LeeNetworX]

Does this mean I can save my $35 co-pay for a yearly physical and just have a TSA agent perform my prostate check every time I fly?

[Avatard]

Hey, you may be on to something. I'll take it further, since they now touch women's breasts straight on now too, I say we could do Breast Cancer screening exams , Prostate exams, and even Testicular Cancer screenings and Pap smears for flyers.

We'd still be inconveniencing everyone, and embarrassing everyone, but at least it would be of benefit to everyone.

Paternalism. If you're gonna look in my diaper, daddy, you need to change it if there's poop there.

Maybe the government shouldn't be in our asses.

[derf]

Someone brought up liquid explosives....soooooooo....what about people with a Colostomy Bag ? Ok so who's to say what is really in it ?



Medical supplies are exempt from the rules, you can carry as much liquid on a plane as you want if its labeled medical supplies. You can put a label on a 2 liter bottle of soda and write, in your hand writing, saline solution, and it would pass.

You can even exempt some of your carry on stuff from the xray if you say its radiation sensative medical testing equipment for disease XXX. They arent even supposed to ask you anything other than "is this medical supplies". Oh and how about a bottle of O2, I mean one of those big bottles grandpa carries around on a little walker, yeh they are big open bomb ready grenades.

If someone gets caught trying to do something then they are stupid terrorists and deserve to get caught. Any smart terrorist with 1/2 a brain, a computer and a printer can get through security (even if he is on the no fly list), shove whatever he wants up his ass and inside "medical supplies" and take down a plane.

Problem is that it is bad showmanship, its a slide of the hand where you leave the one card you want to slide on the table, face up. And its legalized sexual molestation and kiddie porn (backscatter images saved on an HD of little kids too) on a grand scale. Its intrusive, personal, and doesnt work.

Look in the isrealification thread. They do shit right, training, multilayer HUMINT, and open ended questions that everyone has to answer.

[Avatard]

If you're OK with the fact that strangers will grope and take naked scans of your wives, your mothers, and your daughters, then remain silent on this, and just COMPLY.

Otherwise, speak up, because this is wrong.

Speak up.

[Homeslice]

I get patted down every time in some overseas airports, and they don't find it necessary to run all the way up to my junk. I'm with the Israelis on this one... rely on looking at the people and their behavior, not inspecting everything ad nauseum.

Did you read all of it? They DO inspect you and your bags.

[Homeslice]

If we are truly serious about stopping those committed to causing the flying public harm, why not focus our efforts on THEM. It's not like recent history has made it difficult to isolate which segment of the flying public the bombers come from.
I'm finding it hard to figure out what you propose. Additional screening of anyone who "looks" Muslim? Sorry, that isn't going to fly (pun intended).

Hell, you don't even have proof that the Israelis are doing that kind of profiling, yet you're alluding to it as if they are and that therefore it's a great strategy.

[azoomm]

If you're OK with the fact that strangers will grope and take naked scans of your wives, your mothers, and your daughters, then remain silent on this, and just COMPLY.

Otherwise, speak up, because this is wrong.

Speak up.

You know what makes me sad? It's that people actually believe that posting their outrage via facebook or other similar medium is making a difference. That is their only involvement...

[KSGregman]

I'm finding it hard to figure out what you propose. Additional screening of anyone who "looks" Muslim? Sorry, that isn't going to fly (pun intended).

Hell, you don't even have proof that the Israelis are doing that kind of profiling, yet you're alluding to it as if they are and that therefore it's a great strategy.

Behavioral profiles....along with the profiling we're already doing with the no fly list and such. A series of encounters during the arrival to the airport and getting checked in process with professionals trained to study and understand body language. Shift our focus from EVERYONE WHO SETS FOOT IN THE AIRPORT to those who who exhibit the tell tale signs of nervousness.

He or she "looks" muslim has nothing to do with it.

He or she "looks unusually nervous to a trained eye" has EVERYTHING to do with it.

[Homeslice]

He or she "looks" muslim has nothing to do with it.
.

or


It's not like recent history has made it difficult to isolate which segment of the flying public the bombers come from.

:confused: :scratch:

[KSGregman]

You know what makes me sad? It's that people actually believe that posting their outrage via facebook or other similar medium is making a difference. That is their only involvement...

American Idol and "Whatever is popular at this moment reality TV" doesn't usually make mention of House of Representatives or the Senate or how to contact anyone in either of those bodies.

Most Americans could probably tell you who has "won" the latest season of Dancing with the Stars or American Idol but probably couldn't tell you who their House reps or Senators are.

What did Thomas Jefferson say? Something about a "If we're going to have a successful democratic society, we have to have a well educated and healthy citizenry?"

Yeah..... :(

[KSGregman]

or



:confused: :scratch:

The no fly list is created by analysis of the behaviors of certain people.....it's not difficult to determine what types of behaviors will result with showing up on that list. It's probably not difficult to determine the starting point for determining who might need to be on that list either.

[anthonyk]

Did you read all of it? They DO inspect you and your bags.

The "ad nauseum" was the key there. They don't go to the ridiculous lengths that the US does, nor is that their primary focus.

[Avatard]

You know what makes me sad? It's that people actually believe that posting their outrage via facebook or other similar medium is making a difference. That is their only involvement...

I, sadly, as I dearly miss my aging father, refuse to travel under current conditions.

As a resident, it's as far as my protestation can really take me.

For now, all I can do is vote with my wallet.

[z06boy]

Humm...right here in my home area today...

Cancer surviving flight attendant told to remove prosthetic breast during pat-down

Posted: Nov 19, 2010 12:01 AM EST
Updated: Nov 19, 2010 10:13 AM EST

CHARLOTTE, NC (WBTV) - A Charlotte-area flight attendant and cancer survivor contacted WBTV after she says she was forced to show her prosthetic breast during a pat-down.

Cathy Bossi lives in south Charlotte and has been a flight attendant for the past 32 years, working the past 28 for U.S. Airways.

In early August Bossie was walking through security when she says she was asked to go through the new full body-scanners at Concourse "D" at Charlotte Douglas International.

She reluctantly agreed. As a 3-year breast cancer survivor she says she didn't want the added radiation through her body. But, Bossi says she did agree.

"The T.S.A. Agent told me to put my I.D. on my back," she said. "When I got out of there she said because my I.D. was on my back, I had to go to a personal screening area."

She says two female Charlotte T.S.A. agents took her to a private room and began what she calls an aggressive pat down. She says they stopped when they got around to feeling her right breast… the one where she'd had surgery.

Pat-down Backlash: Child groped during pat-down? What are the rules?

"She put her full hand on my breast and said, 'What is this?'. And I said, 'It's my prosthesis because I've had breast cancer.' And she said, 'Well, you'll need to show me that'."

Cathy was asked to show her prosthetic breast, removing it from her bra.

"I did not take the name of the person at the time because it was just so horrific of an experience, I couldn't believe someone had done that to me. I'm a flight attendant. I was just trying to get to work."

Since then, Cathy has contacted the Legislative Affairs Team, a group through the flight attendant union. She says she wants to see a crackdown on these personal pat downs.

"There are blowers and there are dogs out there that can sniff out bombs," she says. "There's no reason to have somebody's hands touching your body parts."

A T.S.A. representative says agents aren't supposed to remove any prosthetics, but are allowed to ask to see and touch any passenger's prosthetic.

The T.S.A. says it will review this matter.

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[Dave]

I, sadly, as I dearly miss my aging father, refuse to travel under current conditions.

As a resident, it's as far as my protestation can really take me.

For now, all I can do is vote with my wallet.

As closely tied to the government as the airlines are they'll still get your money via tax funded bailouts later on.

[derf]

You know what makes me sad? It's that people actually believe that posting their outrage via facebook or other similar medium is making a difference. That is their only involvement...

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