The 'Israelification' of airports: High security, little bother

[pauldun170]

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother

[Homeslice]

"To us, it doesn't matter if he's black, white, young or old. It's just his behaviour.
Sure.

[KSGregman]

"But, what can you do? Americans and Canadians are nice people and they will do anything because they were told to do so and because they don't know any different."

Dead....fucking....on....and it's SICKENING.

[Homeslice]

"Even today with the heightened security in North America, they will check your items to death.

Huh?

The only "check" they get is through the scanner. 99.9% of our bags are never hand-checked or sniffed for explosives.

This is just more "We are Israelis, we are badass" talk. But I'm sure it will be received well by teabaggers in America, who secretly dream of being some kind of badass Mossad commando.

[KSGregman]

Huh?

The only "check" they get is through the scanner. 99.9% of our bags are never hand-checked or sniffed for explosives.

This is just more "We are Israelis, we are badass" talk. But I'm sure it will be received well by teabaggers in America, who secretly dream of being some kind of badass Mossad commando.

That is retarded...Why take such a close minded attitude to other approaches to airport "security?"

Do you REALLY think strip searching Grandma is going to prevent terrorists attacks? Or do you think, though you are loath to admit it, that paying more attention to the types of people who have attacked us in the past might make sense?

[Homeslice]

Just pointing out errors in the article.

And we DO pay attention to the types of people who have attacked us in the past. That's how we create the no-fly list. By analyzing people who come from certain countries, or have suspicious travel patterns or connections to certain organizations.

I see no need to supplement that by pulling aside people just because they "look like an Arab" or are wearing a turban.

If you really want to improve security, install chemical sniffers that operate 24/7. Not just on 0.1% of bags.

[KSGregman]

"The questions aren't important.The way people act when they answer them is," Sela said.

This

Officers are looking for nervousness or other signs of "distress" — behavioural profiling.

This

Sela rejects the argument that profiling is discriminatory. "The word 'profiling' is a political invention by people who don't want to do security."

This

I see no need to supplement that by pulling aside people just because they "look like an Arab" or are wearing a turban.

Not this

If you really want to improve security, install chemical sniffers that operate 24/7. Not just on 0.1% of bags.

Or this

[AquaPython]

that is pretty much how they run security all over there and it has been working quite well, considering the constant threats and the track record. When something does get by , they learn and adapt.
It is not just the airports, but pretty much any large public building like malls, you get stopped before entering the parking garage by security, who say hi to you, and pop your trunk (all cars have external trunk latches, i think it is law). They are not just checking behavior they are checking for accent. If you are arab, you will have a different accent when speaking Hebrew.

[pauldun170]

In order to do that here, they would need trained professionals.
Trained professionals, preferably officers and not some private company chosen because it was the lowest bidder.

Politicians and tea baggers would bitch and complain and demand that such jobs be handled by private free market blah blah blah not by career professionals or highly trained lifers.

Thats why we try and avoid this argument by saying robots and technology will do it better.

[dReWpY]

wow, i thought was actually a pic of a few pigeons at first lol

[CasterTroy]

In order to do that here, they would need trained professionals.
Trained professionals, preferably officers and not some private company chosen because it was the lowest bidder.

Politicians and tea baggers would bitch and complain and demand that such jobs be handled by private free market blah blah blah not by career professionals or highly trained lifers.

Thats why we try and avoid this argument by saying robots and technology will do it better.

100% :rockwoot:

I've never flown and NOT had my checked luggage opened, and shuffled thru.

When I came back from Honduras I had a machette for my son and we left Honduras with no problem...but ATL they searched the bag twice :lol:

[Homeslice]

Not this



Or this

Why don't you feel chemical sniffers would be valuable (assuming they worked and could be set up to operate continuously)?

And I'd say I've probably only had my bags checked 2-3% of the time.

[derf]

I've had my bag checked for chemicals a few times, and it always comes up positive. BUT i use my bag for work, and I carry ammunition (live and blanks), clips, and other stuff exposed to gunpowder and explosives in it on a regualr basis. They check it, ask for a reason my bag has those chemical, rummage through it and move on. I also always carry a disposable razor, big toothpaste bottle, lighter, nail clippers, and once in a while a cheapo knife and generally whatever I feel like bring on.

The system doesnt work now, so why not take a new and different approach to it? Or should we just continue to throw money at something that is already broken?

[CasterTroy]

The system doesnt work now, so why not take a new and different approach to it? Or should we just continue to throw money at something that is already broken?

See court system, See also Congress, Senate, Presidency, DMV, DOT & prison & school system

[KSGregman]

Why don't you feel chemical sniffers would be valuable (assuming they worked and could be set up to operate continuously)?


I didn't say they wouldn't be valuable....as much as I believe that the "softer" security measures such as profiling, behavioral and otherwise, would be FAR more effective in identifying WHO the problem people really are while leaving the VAST majority of people moving through the airport far more free than they (we?) are currently.

[Homeslice]

I have no problem with the "softer" approach you suggest, looking for people acting suspicious......AS LONG AS how someone is dressed or what color their skin is isn't one of the factors used.

I also think the backscatter machines, at what, $300,000 a pop last I heard? Are a waste of taxpayer dollars, when the only thing they would have prevented was the Underwear bomber. They would NOT have prevented someone from carrying something up their ass, or more importantly, in their bag.

[Kaneman]

that paying more attention to the types of people who have attacked us in the past might make sense?

You mean like Govt' officials? :lol:

[derf]

See court system, See also Congress, Senate, Presidency, DMV, DOT & prison & school system

So what you are saying is that there is a historical presedense for this?

I totally agree, its beaurocricy at its worst. Its the traditional government excuse, lets throw money at this and it will fix itself.

[KSGregman]

You mean like Govt' officials? :lol:

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w9/KSGregman/1021878384_photobucket_30743_.jpg

[pauldun170]

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/11/sanford-airport-to-opt-out-of.html

[OneSickPsycho]

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2010/11/sanford-airport-to-opt-out-of.html

The poll results are interesting...

[Homeslice]

The poll results are interesting...

Most people are simpletons.....

According to them, I should start my own company right now. It'll automatically be better than the TSA. :shrug: