New Florida Governor wants unemployment recipients to do community service

[L8 Braker]

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Unemployed may have to volunteer to get benefit checks (http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2010/december/186873/Unemployed-may-have-to-volunteer-to-get-benefit-checks)

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[G-Rex]

I have no problem with this.

It would put a stop to people collecting 2 years of unemployment just because they can. The argument that doing community service keeps you from looking for a job is crap. So how do people find jobs when they are already employed? Right..

[Amber Lamps]

I have no problem with this.

It would put a stop to people collecting 2 years of unemployment just because they can. The argument that doing community service keeps you from looking for a job is crap. So how do people find jobs when they are already employed? Right..

Truth! I collect unemployment until it got difficult and I got bored and went and got a job!:lol: Heck, most of the time if you do the math, it doesn't pay to get a job when you are collecting... I actually lost money, true story.:lol:

[Apoc]

Most work is seasonal here. Not sure what you could do for 'community service' in a Canadian winter that wouldnt be cruel and unusual.

[Rangerscott]

Fuckin A! Got my vote
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[Amber Lamps]

Most work is seasonal here. Not sure what you could do for 'community service' in a Canadian winter that wouldnt be cruel and unusual.

Heck, I wonder what they'd do for community service period. I've had it a couple times and we never had crap to do... I couldn't imagine what they'd do with a sudden 100,000+ people cleaning the airport, working at the animal shelter or picking up trash on the highway. The prisoners could basically forget getting outside to work. Heck, half of the unemployed will be put to work immediately to handle the logistics and paperwork associated with trying to find community work projects and place the other half in them.:lol: yay problem solved! The unemployment rate will drop 50% the day after this bill ispassed!:rockwoot:

[Rangerscott]

Make them clean up neighborhoods. Clean up their houses that they let rot. Work at homeless shelters, animal shelters, parks. Get them off their asses.

[julie j]

I think it is a great idea.

[EpyonXero]

This is ridiculous. If theyre going to punish the people who just lost their jobs with community service are they going to punish the corporations that laid them off if they havent started hiring again in 12 weeks?

[Homeslice]

How about requiring people to contact more than 2 companies a week? It should be more like 2 companies a DAY.

[derf]

Hells yes, but there has to be a provision that if they have a bonified interview they get to skip it for that part of the day.

[Corey]

I'd just be happy if they drug tested people collecting welfare.

[Rangerscott]

This is ridiculous. If theyre going to punish the people who just lost their jobs with community service are they going to punish the corporations that laid them off if they havent started hiring again in 12 weeks?

How is it punishment? They're working for money just like they would be if they had a job.

[Corey]

How is it punishment? They're working for money just like they would be if they had a job.

And it's resume/application filler.

[Amber Lamps]

How is it punishment? They're working for money just like they would be if they had a job.

it's punishment because it can be humiliating... Whenever I see people picking up trash on the highway I don't think, "What a bunch of civic minded, upstanding citizens". Why not make them wear t-shirts that say, "I'm a loser that lost his job".

I'd just be happy if they drug tested people collecting welfare.

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[Amber Lamps]

And it's resume/application filler.

yea all the Fortune 500 companies look for "picked up trash on the freeway" on a resume'.:lol:

[Rangerscott]

it's punishment because it can be humiliating... Whenever I see people picking up trash on the highway I don't think, "What a bunch of civic minded, upstanding citizens". Why not make them wear t-shirts that say, "I'm a loser that lost his job".

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You have to do what you have to do. You'd rather them sit on their ass all day instead of helping out. Good to know. I'm gonna go get fired, put my couch out front and sit there all day.

[Amber Lamps]

You have to do what you have to do. You'd rather them sit on their ass all day instead of helping out. Good to know. I'm gonna go get fired, put my couch out front and sit there all day.

I rode my bike and hung out all night when I was laid off...

The thing to remember is, unemployment is insurance not welfare. Your employer pays a premium every month that you are employed at his company. For example, I worked for 13 years for OHD without a single lay off so when I got it I took advantage of it.:idk: I was receiving $405 per week and all the jobs down here paid $9/hr (seriously) I took one when I still had 2 months left of benefits. BTW working costs money, I had to commute 40 miles each way. If I worked some overtime, I brought home around $300. Take out a couple tanks of gas each week and realize I was better off sitting at home.:panic:

Here's some good questions....who's paying for travel to these forced labor camps/sites? Understand that UE is less than half of what you used to make on the job so adding a $50+ expense to someone's life that is trying to make it on half wages... Who's watching the children? When you're bringing home $600/week you can afford daycare but on $300? You're lucky to pay the mortgage and keep the lights on most of the time. Are you going to be doing the type of work you're trained to do? Or are they just going to hand hammers and shovels to downsized accountants and secretaries? What if you get hurt on one of these jobs? Who's going to pay for that?:idk:

[Rangerscott]

FUCK! I didnt think of the children.

[Homeslice]

Another "I'm tough on ______ (crime, sex offenders, drugs, terror, etc.) Governor/District Attorney/Sheriff etc. who creates programs like this only to make themselves look good, like as if they actually give a shit about their community more than just getting re-elected

[Particle Man]

Hells yes, but there has to be a provision that if they have a bonified interview they get to skip it for that part of the day.This.
That would help with the "but it will get in the way of finding a job" crowd.

[nhgunnut]

it's punishment because it can be humiliating... Whenever I see people picking up trash on the highway I don't think, "What a bunch of civic minded, upstanding citizens". Why not make them wear t-shirts that say, "I'm a loser that lost his job".



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That reflects only your view. Let this become the norm and no one judges. The view that manual labor is somehow degrading is the result of our Decades of ever increasing entitlements.
This is no different than the Civilian Conservation Corp of FDR era.

[Amorok]

Here's a thought, if you're in the program working, maybe one of the details you draw is working in a daycare (under supervision.) Maybe you'll be driving a bus. We're already giving these people money, so involving them in providing service isn't too much of a stretch.

[Particle Man]

Here's a thought, if you're in the program working, maybe one of the details you draw is working in a daycare (under supervision.) Maybe you'll be driving a bus. We're already giving these people money, so involving them in providing service isn't too much of a stretch.

Interesting how "community service" translates to "manual labor" almost automatically, isn't it?

[azoomm]

Interesting how "community service" translates to "manual labor" almost automatically, isn't it?

It doesn't.

[EpyonXero]

Interesting how "community service" translates to "manual labor" almost automatically, isn't it?

Considering that most people arent qualified to do pro bono legal work or volunteer at a free clinic all they have available to them is either manual labor or maybe some type of social work like visiting the elderly.

[pauldun170]

Fuck him...
I pay for that shit out of my taxes. I'm not taking "handouts" (if I were collecting unemployment) anymore than me getting a "handout" from the insurance company if my car is involved in an accident.

So now he wants to punish everybody for the abuses of a few by turning everyone who is unfortunate enough to be unemployed into slave labor for the state?

Sorry thats some Soviet era Communist bullshit right there.

[Tmall]

Pile of BS. People on EI paid into EI.

Make welfare reipients do community service.

[Particle Man]

It doesn't.

Nor to me. But reactions here say otherwise.

[pauldun170]

Pile of BS. People on EI paid into EI.

Make welfare reipients do community service.


The only thing with that is that many people on public assistance are working and have families so if you tie it in with community service it has to be on a case by case basis.

[Amber Lamps]

Fuck him...
I pay for that shit out of my taxes. I'm not taking "handouts" (if I were collecting unemployment) anymore than me getting a "handout" from the insurance company if my car is involved in an accident.

So now he wants to punish everybody for the abuses of a few by turning everyone who is unfortunate enough to be unemployed into slave labor for the state?

Sorry thats some Soviet era Communist bullshit right there.

This but its not "taxes" your employer pays a premium to the unemployment commissionfor every worker he employs. BTW for those that wish to punish the employer, the premium is based on your past record of lay offs. Excessive lay offs=higher premiums=punishment.

[Amber Lamps]

Here's a thought, if you're in the program working, maybe one of the details you draw is working in a daycare (under supervision.) Maybe you'll be driving a bus. We're already giving these people money, so involving them in providing service isn't too much of a stretch.

I know you said under supervision but you want disgruntled laid off workers watching your kids......really?

BTW driving a bus actually requires training, licences, etc. Besides, last I looked, the public schools aren't looking for a million bus drivers.:lol:

[pauldun170]

This but its not "taxes" your employer pays a premium to the unemployment commission for every worker he employs. BTW for those that wish to punish the employer, the premium is based on your past record of lay offs. Excessive lay offs=higher premiums=punishment.

Oh...
So the employer pays the tax.

[Amber Lamps]

It doesn't.

I've had community service and yes it does.... If you got laid off do you think they'll find you a job as a hand model? :lol: Besides, let's say you were a secretary and they could find you a cs position in an office. Ever work with a temp? How about one that's getting paid less than half their normal salary ? How about one that's being forced to work there by the state? Oh yea she'd be a peach...:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

That reflects only your view. Let this become the norm and no one judges. The view that manual labor is somehow degrading is the result of our Decades of ever increasing entitlements.
This is no different than the Civilian Conservation Corp of FDR era.

There ya go, let's get the unemployed together and force them to build stuff like roads, dams, bridges...wait don't we have people doing these jobs already? What exactly happens to them? I didn't notice the construction companies placing ads for a million workers...

Yep I'd love to be on a construction site with bunch of nimrods that don't know what they are doing and that don't want to be there... No possibility of accidents there....

[Amber Lamps]

Oh...
So the employer pays the tax.

Okay you obviously want to call it a tax...I guess I pay a tax to State Farm as well....:idk:

[pauldun170]

Okay you obviously want to call it a tax...I guess I pay a tax to State Farm as well....:idk:

State Farm is private entity that charges a premium for its service.
You do not have to subscribe to that service.

Uncle Sam forces employers to pay into a government run service. I'm going to go out and say that is the definition of a tax.
:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

State Farm is private entity that charges a premium for its service.
You do not have to subscribe to that service.

Uncle Sam forces employers to pay into a government run service. I'm going to go out and say that is the definition of a tax.
:lol:

So the government doesn't "force" us to have car insurance? Oh I thought that they did....my bad.

[azoomm]

I've had community service and yes it does....

It's only because you're black.... :nee:

[pauldun170]

So the government doesn't "force" us to have car insurance? Oh I thought that they did....my bad.

You don't want to waste time on definitions....
Little silly to be arguing over the definition of a tax and the definition of a premium.

[Amber Lamps]

You don't want to waste time on definitions....
Little silly to be arguing over the definition of a tax and the definition of a premium.

You started it....:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

It's only because you're black.... :nee:

Gosh you're sexy when you're being witty.... Oh yea I can just see those brightly colored nails furiously tapping that keyboard/phone screen....oh yea...:drool:

[pauldun170]

You started it....:lol:

Damn you
:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

How about this, in stead of punishing the unemployed for being out or work. Let's crack down on illegal workers in this country, deport the illegals and tighten our borders.

That or make the unemployed go to trade school or help pay for relocation away from low employment areas.

At any rate, as someone said, I'd focus on welfare rats before I started with the people collecting insurance. That's just me though....:lol:

[goof2]

I agree with Paul and AL, even though they don't seem to agree with each other.:lol: Money is collected by the government for each person who is working to pay for the insurance/tax. This would be like a person wadding up their vehicle and their insurance company requiring him to come work for them.

[101lifts2]

....Here's some good questions....who's paying for travel to these forced labor camps/sites? Understand that UE is less than half of what you used to make on the job so adding a $50+ expense to someone's life that is trying to make it on half wages... Who's watching the children? When you're bringing home $600/week you can afford daycare but on $300? You're lucky to pay the mortgage and keep the lights on most of the time. Are you going to be doing the type of work you're trained to do? Or are they just going to hand hammers and shovels to downsized accountants and secretaries? What if you get hurt on one of these jobs? Who's going to pay for that?:idk:

This would be fine if unemployment didn't last 2 FUCKING YEARS!

I say make their asses work. Maybe only 2 days a week, but they need to do something.

[Rangerscott]

Alright then. It's settled. We shoot illegals on sight. What a load off my shoulders. Let all go out and have a beer now.

[Mikey]

Pile of BS. People on EI paid into EI.

Make welfare reipients do community service.

Under the "tax deal" just passed, unemployment benefits have been extended another 13 months. The funding from that comes directly from federal coffers. It's not the same money as traditional unemployment, which is paid by employers.

So the government doesn't "force" us to have car insurance? Oh I thought that they did....my bad.

Actually, they don't. The federal government doesn't care about your car insurance. Car insurance is required by the state, and then only if you have a car that you operate on public roadways. If you choose not to own a car or choose not to operate your car on public roadways, you don't have to purchase insurance.

I agree with Paul and AL, even though they don't seem to agree with each other.:lol: Money is collected by the government for each person who is working to pay for the insurance/tax. This would be like a person wadding up their vehicle and their insurance company requiring him to come work for them.

Under the traditional system, this is true, but with the new 13-month extension, the program is now federally-funded, not employer-funded.

How about this, in stead of punishing the unemployed for being out or work. Let's crack down on illegal workers in this country, deport the illegals and tighten our borders.

That or make the unemployed go to trade school or help pay for relocation away from low employment areas.

At any rate, as someone said, I'd focus on welfare rats before I started with the people collecting insurance. That's just me though....:lol:

Agreed, on many counts. Fixing the illegal problem really needs to be a priority. I'm also on-board with some sort of training for unemployment recipients to get them back to work.

Welfare rats, especially those on long-term welfare, should be required to work a minimum of sixty hours per week doing something that qualifies as real WORK. Make welfare far less pleasant than employment, and we'll be making progress.

[101lifts2]

Alright then. It's settled. We shoot illegals on sight. What a load off my shoulders. Let all go out and have a beer now.

We aren't talking about illegals here brah.