This prick shuld be prosecuted

[Avatard]

Study tying vaccine to autism was fraud, report says

Andrew Wakefield, colleagues altered facts about patients in their research, analysis shows

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40930256/ns/health-mental_health/

If one un-vaccinated child dies, this prick should be charged with murder.

[Papa_Complex]

One of many examples of how repeating a lie, enough times, makes people believe it's true.

Additionally, the original study linked the mercury (thimerosal), that is used in some vaccines, as the cause of Autism. Not all of these vaccines use thimerosal. In fact, in Canada, the MMR vaccine hasn't contained it since 1997.

Will this finally slap a muzzle on Jenny McCarthy? I doubt it.

[Trip]

Will this finally slap a muzzle on Jenny McCarthy? I doubt it.

That bitch is crazy.

[Dave]

That bitch is crazy.

Needs a cock in her mouth no doubt

[OneSickPsycho]

Just watched an old episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit! that talked about this report being bogus... apparently, this is really old news. Nice to see it reported 10+ years after the fact...

[goof2]

Just watched an old episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit! that talked about this report being bogus... apparently, this is really old news. Nice to see it reported 10+ years after the fact...

People have had issues with the study for a while. Having a sample size of only 12 children renders it pretty useless on its own, even if this guy had followed proper methodology. It takes time to demonstrate it is completely bogus though. CNN had a much more detailed article on this, including the fact that this former doctor was paid around half a million dollars for the study by a group of lawyers looking to sue the vaccine makers. I linked to that story below.

This kind of research typically uses "double-blind" methodology to try and prevent bias from affecting the results. I tend to think the scientific community should institute a new version of that where those conducting the research don't know who is actually paying for the research. Ignoring that large checks create a bias of their own is pretty naive.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/06/autism.vaccines/index.html?hpt=T2

[Papa_Complex]

Just watched an old episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit! that talked about this report being bogus... apparently, this is really old news. Nice to see it reported 10+ years after the fact...

This is the first time that the word FRAUD has been used, with respect to the study. The methodology has already been called into question, as has the fact that larger statistical samples did not reflect his premise.

[z06boy]

This guy is scum and should be dealt with. I don't really know what if anything can be done to him other than to pull his medical license, which I think has already been done but he should have to pay for his dishonesty.

Now with Jenny McCarthy...what has she done that is so bad ? She has a son with Autism right ? I haven't really listened to much she has said...she's more of something that should be seen and not heard right ? :lol:

[Papa_Complex]

I think he's still licensed to practise in the US, bu this license was definitely pulled in Britain.

McCarthy has been an evangelist for this crap spouting it at anyone who will listen, and a whole bunch who would rather not hear her.

[Trip]

Now with Jenny McCarthy...what has she done that is so bad ? She has a son with Autism right ? I haven't really listened to much she has said...she's more of something that should be seen and not heard right ? :lol:

Youtube her and autism. She goes nut bag crazy in interviews. It's hilarious.

[z06boy]

Youtube her and autism. She goes nut bag crazy in interviews. It's hilarious.

:lol: I'll have to check that out when I get home. I haven't heard her when it comes to this subject. I knew she had a son with autism and that's about it.

[Particle Man]

What kills me is that the "study" wasn't statistically valid or correct in methodology to begin with. Just proves that sheeple will believe anything if they have a preconceived notion or an axe to grind.

[ontwo]

I now some religious whackos around here that don't vaccinate their kids because if this study.

[Avatard]

I now some religious whackos around here that don't vaccinate their kids because if this study.

Don't bother telling them about it. They don't sound like the type of folks that really wanna hear the truth about anything.

[ontwo]

Don't bother telling them about it. They don't sound like the type of folks that really wanna hear the truth about anything.

Trust me, I know. Would be a collossal waste of time

[Papa_Complex]

What kills me is that the "study" wasn't statistically valid or correct in methodology to begin with. Just proves that sheeple will believe anything if they have a preconceived notion or an axe to grind.

Especially if said axe involves them being able to shuffle the responsibility away from anything they did as parents, or their own possible defective genetic heritage.

[Avatard]

Poor Jim Carrey. He's already a manic depressive to begin with. That crazy cunt must have driven him even more fucking nuts.

Don't know who left who, but my guess is he prolly got out just in time.

[azoomm]

I now some religious whackos around here that don't vaccinate their kids because if this study.

My sister.

Ugh

[Kaneman]

Man a couple in my Jiu Jitsu class has 4 kids, one of them is autistic. I've seen her wearing a shirt that references the vaccine/autism link, so I got the gist that is what they think caused their son's autism... I wonder how they're feeling about it now...

Quick plug here too: Marijuana cures Autism.

[Avatard]

Racing helps too, Josh...big time!

It's often the only thing they can focus on 100%.

[Kaneman]

Racing helps too, Josh...big time!

It's often the only thing they can focus on 100%.

Racing? Like, watching people race? This kid has it pretty bad. He does seem to enjoy watching his brothers grapple....but he can't really communicate, at least not with any strangers.

[Avatard]

Racing? Like, watching people race? This kid has it pretty bad. He does seem to enjoy watching his brothers grapple....but he can't really communicate, at least not with any strangers.

No, like go kart racing. Helps them focus.

[Kaneman]

No, like go kart racing. Helps them focus.

Watching it or actually driving? Cause uh.....I think driving could be tragic. :lol:

[Avatard]

Try a simulator game first, obviously.

lol

Musical instruments can often help too. Some autistics are savants.

[shmike]

Quick plug here too: Marijuana cures Autism.

C'mon dude, use proper language.

[Kaneman]

C'mon dude, use proper language.

Sorry bro, I meant to say that Marijuana completely erases all signs of Autism from any and all children with any degree of Autism following the first dosage.

[shmike]

Sorry bro, I meant to say that Marijuana completely erases all signs of Autism from any and all children with any degree of Autism following the first dosage.

Then post links to the proof.

I've seen examples of MJ having very significant effects on the symptoms of people with Autism but I have never heard that eating one brownie means that you are instantly and permanently cured.

[Kaneman]

Then post links to the proof.

I've seen examples of MJ having very significant effects on the symptoms of people with Autism but I have never heard that eating one brownie means that you are instantly and permanently cured.

I am the proof. I was born with level 20 autism....and look at me now baby!

Edit: I'm just fucking around. One side says Marijuana makes you rape seals so I counter with extremes of the opposite. :lol:

I first heard about this on the NORML podcast the other day, and this is the website that introduced me to the concept.
http://uf4a.org/

[Papa_Complex]

I am the proof. I was born with level 20 autism....and look at me now baby!

Edit: I'm just fucking around. One side says Marijuana makes you rape seals so I counter with extremes of the opposite. :lol:

I first heard about this on the NORML podcast the other day, and this is the website that introduced me to the concept.
http://uf4a.org/

I'm sure that if you chose 12 random children with autism, and then modified the results of testing prior to posting your findings, you could very easily support your claim. Hell, it worked for the other guy ;)

[Kaneman]

I'm sure that if you chose 12 random children with autism, and then modified the results of testing prior to posting your findings, you could very easily support your claim. Hell, it worked for the other guy ;)

:lol::lol::lol:

[shmike]

I am the proof. I was born with level 20 autism....and look at me now baby!

Edit: I'm just fucking around. One side says Marijuana makes you rape seals so I counter with extremes of the opposite. :lol:


The problem is:

When those of us that know better see claims of seal raping, those people / sources get immediately ignored as whack-jobs.

The same thing happens when the opposite side makes equally outlandish claims. ;)

[Kaneman]

The problem is:

When those of us that know better see claims of seal raping, those people / sources get immediately ignored as whack-jobs.

The same thing happens when the opposite side makes equally outlandish claims. ;)

That would only matter to someone who thinks there's a real chance of legalization. I'm not one of those people.

[shmike]

That would only matter to someone who thinks there's a real chance of legalization. I'm not one of those people.

So why bother with NORML?

Why be such an advocate online?

If none of it does any good, why do we have to hear about your wonder drug?

[Kaneman]

You dont I suppose... you can do the ignore thing. I just like talking about it, learning about it, etc. Sure, I think people should be educated, but in my heart i dont think legalization is going to happen. Ive said it before.

[shmike]

You dont I suppose... you can do the ignore thing. I just like talking about it, learning about it, etc. Sure, I think people should be educated, but in my heart i dont think legalization is going to happen. Ive said it before.

Why do you assume my questions are an attack?

I don't want to ignore your posts. I actually enjoy them.

8.5 times out of 10 you offer decent insight and food for thought. You'll bring some ideas that are not often represented in mainstream society. I've found myself doing research and learning based on some of the information you have brought forth.

The problem is that when you go off on your extreme tangents, it is hard to tell what is "Kaneman trying to be funny" and what is "Kaneman got stoned while listening to NPR and is now convinced that baby seals smoking pot have found the cure for autism."

I agree that people should be educated. Education can bring about change...

[Kaneman]

Why do you assume my questions are an attack?

I don't want to ignore your posts. I actually enjoy them.

8.5 times out of 10 you offer decent insight and food for thought. You'll bring some ideas that are not often represented in mainstream society. I've found myself doing research and learning based on some of the information you have brought forth.

The problem is that when you go off on your extreme tangents, it is hard to tell what is "Kaneman trying to be funny" and what is "Kaneman got stoned while listening to NPR and is now convinced that baby seals smoking pot have found the cure for autism."

I've actually never listened to NPR.

Its all good, I didn't think you were "attacking" me, you just phrased it like "why do we have to listen to you....you know, like it was a chore or something.

Didn't expect to be taken seriously on the autism cure. For the record, no, Marijuana does not cure autism. However, what mothers who are willing to risk going to prison for their children are finding out is that in edible form there are some very real and significant improvements being made by THC ingesting autistic kids.

Is there going to be real scientific research that backs up what the mothers are claiming? No, no there's not. So its one of those things that if you already know about the tons of benefits from the Cannabis plant then its not a stretch to believe their claims. But if you don't, and you call bullshit on Marijuana as a medicine, then you're not going to buy this either.

http://uf4a.org/ "Unconventional Foundation for Autism."

[shmike]

I've actually never listened to NPR.

Its all good, I didn't think you were "attacking" me, you just phrased it like "why do we have to listen to you....you know, like it was a chore or something.

Didn't expect to be taken seriously on the autism cure. For the record, no, Marijuana does not cure autism. However, what mothers who are willing to risk going to prison for their children are finding out is that in edible form there are some very real and significant improvements being made by THC ingesting autistic kids.

Is there going to be real scientific research that backs up what the mothers are claiming? No, no there's not. So its one of those things that if you already know about the tons of benefits from the Cannabis plant then its not a stretch to believe their claims. But if you don't, and you call bullshit on Marijuana as a medicine, then you're not going to buy this either.

http://uf4a.org/ "Unconventional Foundation for Autism."


I pulled NPR out of my ass because I knew Glenn Beck would be shot down immediately. :lol:

Sorry about taking the MJ comment seriously. It has absolutely shown to have some very positive effects on people with ASD.

If you had said that, I would have given you a :dthumb: but it looked like you may be serious and were grossly overstating the benefits.

The comment about having to listen was more to say: "If you didn't believe in this stuff, you wouldn't be so passionate about it."

It's been a stressful day.

http://chzupnextinsports.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/funny-sports-pictures-well-yo-momma-is-so-fat.jpg

[Kaneman]

Oh I believe in this stuff....I just don't believe the legality of it is ever going to change. The more I learn, the less hope I have for it, unfortunately.

[Papa_Complex]

Watching "Trainspotting" should tell you all that you ever need to know about the attitudes towards recreational drug use, vs. alcohol use.

[azoomm]

Oh I believe in this stuff....I just don't believe the legality of it is ever going to change. The more I learn, the less hope I have for it, unfortunately.

It's like with anything else... can't have readily available cures walking about among us. That shit has to be controlled so other larger entities can keep making their bankroll.
:panic:

[Avatard]

Cannabis fucks with serotonin. Serotonin directly affects the neuroendocrine system. It affects everything in your body, from growth to sex, to mood. None of this surprises me.

[Avatard]

OK, fucker really needs to go to fucking jail now:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/11/autism.vaccines/index.html?hpt=T2

[Particle Man]

it all goes back to "Can we turn this into a payday"

:rant:

[Avatard]

This asshole put kids at risk of death all over the world, just to make money.

Sick.

[Papa_Complex]

No, he didn't plan on using his patent as a vaccine. Riiiiiiight :lol:

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/10/andrew-wakefields-vaccine-patent/

[z06boy]

http://www.bram.us/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/monopoly-go-to-jail-card.jpg