F350... thoughts?

[azoomm]

Looking at trucks this week. We've found a few F350's that look more than interesting. Any thoughts?

That is, other than holyshitthattruckishuge...

[OneSickPsycho]

Looking at trucks this week. We've found a few F350's that look more than interesting. Any thoughts?

That is, other than holyshitthattruckishuge...

ONSSP's stepdad has one... Dually, lifted like 10", semi-truck wheels, train horn, diesel... it's a fucking beast.

[Cass]

Something happen to the 2fiddy?

[EpyonXero]

Why?

[shmike]

Something happen to the 2fiddy?

My first thought.

Are you looking to upgrade or go newer?

The 250 and the 350 are the same truck.

[azoomm]

Why?

Because.

My husband likes our truck, but hates that it doesn't have a full back seat. So, he started looking at crew cab F250's to replace ours. Now, finding F350's that have his interest.

Our current truck is a beast - the new one will certainly be a diesel.

[Trip]

What do you pull with said truck?

[azoomm]

What do you pull with said truck?

Houses.

:lol: Kidding. We use it as a crash and tow vehicle for the track [bikes and cars]. We don't own it for it's high tow capability.

[Cass]

My parents have a 99 F350 diesel that they bought new.. it's around the 200k mile mark, and it's still a beast. Hell, I steal it when I can, if I'm up visiting. Little girl in big truck makes me happy :D

[Kaneman]

My only qualm would be the predictions I'm hearing of $5.00/gal gas...which would probably mean $6-6.50 for diesel. What kind of mileage does a 350 get?

[TYEster]

I say if you can afford it, go for it.

4x4, Crew Cab, extended bed, tow package, cow killer grill guard, the works, etc..

[azoomm]

My only qualm would be the predictions I'm hearing of $5.00/gal gas...which would probably mean $6-6.50 for diesel. What kind of mileage does a 350 get?

High 20's with all the management crap ripped off.

What I'd really like, the military vehicles to go back into non-use. The price of diesel might drop...

[Kaneman]

Oh shit...high 20's? I wouldn't worry about it then, rock the F350 all night long!

[shmike]

High 20's with all the management crap ripped off.

What I'd really like, the military vehicles to go back into non-use. The price of diesel might drop...

High 20's!!!??? :lol

Who told you that? :lol:




Are you looking at a 2011?

[fasternyou929]

High 20's!!!??? :lol

Who told you that? :lol:




Are you looking at a 2011?

No doubt. I don't get that in my Titan going downhill with my foot off the accellerator.

Your chain... someone's yanking it.

[Trip]

EPA estimate is listed at 22-23.

Google search turned up someone who had a '10 diesel crew cab that typically got 14 city 20 hwy

[azoomm]

Hello... without the management crap. My 250 is currently getting 26. I'm happy over 20.

[fasternyou929]

An F250 getting 26mpg? Please PM me your secret if you're not comfortable posting it here. I just can't even imagine that from a truck.

[TYEster]

Hmm maybe it's time someone else around here got a new truck too.

15mpg on regular sucks it

[shmike]

Hello... without the management crap. My 250 is currently getting 26. I'm happy over 20.

As long as 20 is the goal you'll be fine.

Expect high 20's and you'll be dissappointed.

And hello, if you are getting 26 out of your 250, why would you expect the same truck with a different badge & rear springs to get better?

If you are stepping up to a 2011, you may increase your mileage but why would you want to disassemble (read: void warranty) a brand new and unproven engine?

[Sean]

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/11/chevy-vs-ford-in-heavy-duty-rumble-in-the-rockies.html

[OneSickPsycho]

All of a sudden, the 14mpg I routinely get in my V6 Ridgeline sounds MUCH, MUCH worse... :td:

[shmike]

All of a sudden, the 14mpg I routinely get in my V6 Ridgeline sounds MUCH, MUCH worse... :td:

Yeah but the extra 20 or 30 grand in your checking account can buy a lot of gas.

[Trip]

That just seems like a gigantic waste of money if you aren't even using it, but that's the saver in me.

[azoomm]

An F250 getting 26mpg? Please PM me your secret if you're not comfortable posting it here. I just can't even imagine that from a truck.

I have a 2004 with a 2006 motor that has some performance tweeks. I love my mechanic.

Looking at trucks now. I hate vehicle shopping.

[wildchild]

I am not a huge fan of the newest F250/F350 bodystyle, personally I like the Dodge or Chev better for looks alone. if you're not stressing on the tow capabilities I think all of them are in the same league as far as reliability etc.

350 versus 250 the only difference is how much weight you can carry in the bed unless you want dual rear wheels.

I've been looking around to, now that the better half always has my truck. I think I'm going to go used and rebuild one though myself. debating between 2 and 4 wheel drive. I don't use 4WD a lot but when you use it you're glad it's there. I don't need a daily driver so taking a few months to put one together wouldn't kill me. although the new ones sure are nice.

guess it depends on if your mech is powerstroke specific or can he work on any diesel. when he "preps" the engine.

otherwise I would have to say I love the trucks overall.

[Gas Man]

Real trucks don't have spark plugs and can tow things in 5 digits.

[shmike]

Real trucks don't have spark plugs and can tow things in 5 digits.

Says the guy with a wannabe PT Cruiser.

[Gas Man]

Shit... F the PT. Even the chrysler mechanic says my HHR is way way way better than the PT.

[azoomm]

Says the guy with a wannabe PT Cruiser.

No way. I hate both, but that HHR kicks PT cruiser ass.

:lol:

[EpyonXero]

I thought the PT was cool until I saw one in real life and it was about half the size I thought it was.

[Trip]

HHR/PT, it doesn't matter, they are both ugly ass midget herses.

[azoomm]

:lol:

[Mudpuppy]

Ford powa

[azoomm]

So, today I traded in my 2004 for a 2008... it was a hellova deal, couldn't pass it up. Let the modding commence. Those bug/wind guards are going to be the first thing to go...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/IMG_20110107_171944.jpg

[dReWpY]

nice truck

[wildchild]

beautiful truck and totally agree on dumping the plastic crap

[dReWpY]

beautiful truck and totally agree on dumping the plastic crap

u say this, but it serves a purposes ...

[azoomm]

u say this, but it serves a purposes ...

But, it looks like crap...

Wheels ordered. I like new toys!

[Gas Man]

You didn't try to swap parts over?

[racedoll]

Very nice azoomm.

[wildchild]

But, it looks like crap...

Wheels ordered. I like new toys!

nice what style? going bigger with tires at all?

[Porkchop]

My parents have a 99 F350 diesel that they bought new.. it's around the 200k mile mark, and it's still a beast. Hell, I steal it when I can, if I'm up visiting. Little girl in big truck makes me happy :D

Diesel engines will run for FUCKING EVER. Some farming friends have an old dually ford deisel, the thing has like 570,000 miles.

[zlicius]

my dad just bought an '10 or '11 F350, cab n half, duelie. he did his research before buying it....

700ft/lbs of tq...........WOW

but he uses his truck on the farm , to tow............horse, cows. combine headers........whatever. this is the first truck he's kept the bed on, all his other trucks have those metal stake beds

[azoomm]

nice what style? going bigger with tires at all?

Did you know, we could get 37's for this thing???/

[wildchild]

Did you know, we could get 37's for this thing???/

holy crap!! please tell me you have those. LOL although 35's would probably be best for everyday driving.

[TYEster]

If they're still getting 20+mpg on 37s, the Titan is going in for trade the day I read it.

[shmike]

Very nice upgrade, azoom! :dthumb:

[101lifts2]

Hello... without the management crap. My 250 is currently getting 26. I'm happy over 20.

I doubt if a big truck like a 250 is getting 26mpg over a typical city/highway fuel tank. More like 20.

My uncle "claimed" he was getting "50" mpg with his Cummins diesel...I was like yeah OK. :lol: Dude was prolly looking at the instaneous fuel economy when the injectors were being turned OFF during a coast.

[Particle Man]

That's a big-ass truck :eek:

[azoomm]

holy crap!! please tell me you have those. LOL although 35's would probably be best for everyday driving.

Yeah, 37's make me laugh tho!

[Amber Lamps]

u say this, but it serves a purposes ...

Exactly! It gets super buggy around here and I'm very glad that I have my shield!!! To each their own though.:wink:

Nice truck, Zoom!

[azoomm]

Exactly! It gets super buggy around here and I'm very glad that I have my shield!!! To each their own though.:wink:

Nice truck, Zoom!

Thanks.

I just have it waxed - and we end up with more bugs on the grill below the shield anyway :lol:

[Amber Lamps]

That's a big-ass truck :eek:

No doubt! Here I am looking at a Sport Trac Adrenalin or maybe a F150....:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

Thanks.

I just have it waxed - and we end up with more bugs on the grill below the shield anyway :lol:

Well, if I ever need a house moved, I know who to call!:lol:

[azoomm]

Yesterday, we went down to the track with the truck and the Miata. My husband hates driving on the street. Like, loathes driving around other vehicles unless he's on a track. Now, he drives the truck... I was laughing at him yesterday. He said it was because now he's higher than the rest of "them" :lol: And, y'all thought I was an elitest prick... LOL.

[Cutty72]

Nice ride!

Now you need to go here http://www.spartandieseltech.com/ to get you the proper "additions" (read deletions) and tuners to get you the mileage you need and the power you want.

[Gas Man]

That's a big-ass truck :eek:
Not really. I see those daily... many of them. But then again I'm in Motor City.

She's in Texas... they do everything big out there.

[Amber Lamps]

Not really. I see those daily... many of them. But then again I'm in Motor City.

She's in Texas... they do everything big out there.

You have a point... Half the people I knew back in Mi had a full sized truck, including me and my GF had a GMC 2500 HD quad cab/long bed with a body and suspension lift.

[RedRider2k2]

my dad just bought an '10 or '11 F350, cab n half, duelie. he did his research before buying it....

700ft/lbs of tq...........WOW

but he uses his truck on the farm , to tow............horse, cows. combine headers........whatever. this is the first truck he's kept the bed on, all his other trucks have those metal stake beds

I hope he has the option of stopping Regens. I'm sure he would hate to see that Hay field go up in flames:lol:

If it's an 11, how much Urea is he going through?

I love Diesels but I hate all this DPF/Burning Piss stuff:bash:

[Cutty72]

I hope he has the option of stopping Regens. I'm sure he would hate to see that Hay field go up in flames:lol:

If it's an 11, how much Urea is he going through?

I love Diesels but I hate all this DPF/Burning Piss stuff:bash:

If it only has 700 lb/ft torque, it's a 10.
Neither one has the option of stopping the regens without turning off the engine.
From what I've heard, the average is about 4 gal of urea per 5k miles or so. Of course, this depends on driving style and how much pulling/hauling they are doing.

[azoomm]

Nice ride!

Now you need to go here http://www.spartandieseltech.com/ to get you the proper "additions" (read deletions) and tuners to get you the mileage you need and the power you want.

OK. A few weeks ago I did some upgrades and deletions. Let me tell you how much I love my mechanic. I'm taking it to the track on Friday to *train* the transmission. Should be interesting...

Current average mileage according to the truck:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/Mar_2_2011_535.jpg

After filling the tank, my math put it at 23.8. Not bad for a beast. I'm THRILLED.

[shmike]

After filling the tank, my math put it at 23.8. Not bad for a beast. I'm THRILLED.

Wow.

What kind of driving?

Around town?
Highway?
Any towing or hauling?

Were you "babying" it to get those numbers?

Regardless of the answers, those figures are IMPRESSIVE! :dthumb:

[azoomm]

Wow.

What kind of driving?

Around town?
Highway?
Any towing or hauling?

Were you "babying" it to get those numbers?

Regardless of the answers, those figures are IMPRESSIVE! :dthumb:

Around town, some freeway, no towing (yet).

I haven't babied it, frankly I'm surprised y'all can't hear my maniacal laughter as I 'git it. Holy crap but it pulls some torque.

[derf]

Around town, some freeway, no towing (yet).

I haven't babied it, frankly I'm surprised y'all can't hear my maniacal laughter as I 'git it. Holy crap but it pulls some torque.

Damn thats some good mileage, but a very quick search of the internet says that there seems to be a huge variety in the mpg that folks seem to get, anywhere from a low of 6 to a high of the mid 20s. Yeh it looks to be on the better side of normal, but that still better than my uninformed opinion would have expected.

[azoomm]

Damn thats some good mileage, but a very quick search of the internet says that there seems to be a huge variety in the mpg that folks seem to get, anywhere from a low of 6 to a high of the mid 20s. Yeh it looks to be on the better side of normal, but that still better than my uninformed opinion would have expected.

Before taking it in the truck was getting 13ish.

[derf]

Before taking it in the truck was getting 13ish.

good improvement

[shmike]

Before taking it in the truck was getting 13ish.

Amazing what they've accomplished in the name of the environment, isn't it? :skep:

[azoomm]

Amazing what they've accomplished in the name of the environment, isn't it? :skep:

The majority of what we took off was put on for California emissions rulings. I mean, the damn filter in the exhaust that was sprayed with fuel to clean it... sounds like a ridiculous idea, doesn't it? Yay!! Let's take a vehicle that already doesn't make awesome fuel mileage and let's dump some randomly [usually when you NEED it].

I have the opportunity to put it on a dyno within the next month... I've never dyno'd a truck before.

[anthonyk]

Shit, with the roof racks on, my Jetta gets that even if I'm babying it. Might be time to change vehicles.

But damn, I don't want all my friends calling me when it's time to move. :lol:

[Flexin]

So, today I traded in my 2004 for a 2008... it was a hellova deal, couldn't pass it up. Let the modding commence. Those bug/wind guards are going to be the first thing to go...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/IMG_20110107_171944.jpg

Nice truck. :rockwoot:

James

[azoomm]

Nice truck. :rockwoot:

James

Thanks, James!

Where have YOU been??

[Cutty72]

Before taking it in the truck was getting 13ish.

What did you put on for a tuner?

[Flexin]

Thanks, James!

Where have YOU been??

I have been around off and on but have haven't said much.

Lately I have been trying to get back in shape after being sick for over a month. :td:

James

[azoomm]

What did you put on for a tuner?

XRTPRO

Www.hsperformance.com

It's plug and play, not bolt on. Right now I'm not even on the top setting and the response is more than dramatic.

[Cutty72]

XRTPRO

Www.hsperformance.com

It's plug and play, not bolt on. Right now I'm not even on the top setting and the response is more than dramatic.

Nice. From what I've read they are tied for the top spot for tuners of the 6.4L. :D

[CasterTroy]

Moira, do you have to add the crap to the fuel every time you fill up? or did that start on the 2010 models?

[azoomm]

Moira, do you have to add the crap to the fuel every time you fill up? or did that start on the 2010 models?

I don't have to.

I actually run about a gallon of filtered/used transmission fluid through it every other tank instead of any additive. It cleans it, lubricates it, while being cheap and this motor will burn damn near anything...

[Cutty72]

Moira, do you have to add the crap to the fuel every time you fill up? or did that start on the 2010 models?

It's urea, and it started on the 2011 models for Ford and Chevy/GMC. Dodge will get by through the '12 model year, and then have to revamp emissions to meet the new stricter regs.

It doesn't actually get added to the fuel either. It has it's own seperate tank, and is injected into the exhaust stream after the cat to clean up some of the pollutants.

I don't have to.

I actually run about a gallon of filtered/used transmission fluid through it every other tank instead of any additive. It cleans it, lubricates it, while being cheap and this motor will burn damn near anything...

That one is finicky compared to the 7.3!

[wildchild]

[QUOTE=Cutty72;453898]It's urea, and it started on the 2011 models for Ford and Chevy/GMC. Dodge will get by through the '12 model year, and then have to revamp emissions to meet the new stricter regs.

It doesn't actually get added to the fuel either. It has it's own seperate tank, and is injected into the exhaust stream after the cat to clean up some of the pollutants.
QUOTE]

yeah and they were soooo discrete about where they hung the tank. on the chevy anyway it is right under the passenger door. dealer said it needs a gal per 1000 miles of that stuff. course they didn't know where to get it or how much it would cost.

[CasterTroy]

course they didn't know where to get it or how much it would cost.



Ford stealership here sells it for $9 a gallon

[defector]

Can't you get urea at any parts store now?

[Apoc]

Nice truck.

Im in the process of buying an 06 F250 FX4 Diesel atm, not 100% sure im buying it, but ill know in the next week or two. Less than 100000km (60k miles), club cab, loaded w/ leather, and owned by my uncle so I know it was never abused and was always well maintained. total cost is $13900 with taxes. Too good of a deal to pass up.

[CasterTroy]

Nice truck.

Im in the process of buying an 06 F250 FX4 Diesel atm, not 100% sure im buying it, but ill know in the next week or two. Less than 100000km (60k miles), club cab, loaded w/ leather, and owned by my uncle so I know it was never abused and was always well maintained. total cost is $13900 with taxes. Too good of a deal to pass up.

If it's a 6.0 run like hell! regardless of who owned it

[Apoc]

If it's a 6.0 run like hell! regardless of who owned it

I know multiple people running them, and none of them have ever had a problem witht hem. And a couple of them are contractor trucks, so they are well abused from day one.

[RedRider2k2]

I know multiple people running them, and none of them have ever had a problem witht hem. And a couple of them are contractor trucks, so they are well abused from day one.

Those seem to be the only ones that stand a chance. It seems like the harder they're worked, the better they do. We have had fleets of them and more often than not they are crap. The only way to save them is to hit the internet and start modding them to eliminate the weak points.

Last night I watched an 03 with a 7.3, 4x4, 4 door, loaded, under 90,000kms, in amazing shape, etc...

Sell for about $9,000.

[Apoc]

Those seem to be the only ones that stand a chance. It seems like the harder they're worked, the better they do. We have had fleets of them and more often than not they are crap. The only way to save them is to hit the internet and start modding them to eliminate the weak points.

Last night I watched an 03 with a 7.3, 4x4, 4 door, loaded, under 90,000kms, in amazing shape, etc...

Sell for about $9,000.



Where? Auction?

What are considered the 'weak points' of the 6.0 Jon? If I was looking to mod it for reliability, where would I start?

[CasterTroy]

What are considered the 'weak points' of the 6.0 Jon? If I was looking to mod it for reliability, where would I start?

The ones I've personally known to give issues were mostly gaskets. But it was gaskets BURIED in the engine.

Actually last Thursday right after I posted about the 6.0, my buddy Tim (with a 2001 6.0 ext cab 4x4) had to take his to the shop for a blown gasket. He's facing about $3,500 worth of work at a trusted mechanic.

2 other 6.0's I personally knew about (not that 2nd hand rumor shit) had turbo AND gasket issues and for SOME reason, the cab had to be unbolted and lifted up to access the problem. Seems that's cheaper than removing the motor :idk:

No one I've known with a 7.3 has ever had those issues.


Pick up a copy of 8-lug trucks magazine and you'll see 3-4 ads in there about companies making parts to make a 6.0 reliable..but I've never priced what they're advertising....hell it's probably $3000 or more

I'm going with a 2003-2007 common rail cummins. Mainly because my best friend is a mechanic at cummins atlantic and he can fix anything on that rag :rockwoot:.....despite it being a DODGE :td:

[RedRider2k2]

Where? Auction?

What are considered the 'weak points' of the 6.0 Jon? If I was looking to mod it for reliability, where would I start?

Ya it was at an Auction.

Off the top of my head...We've seen

Heads warp/crack
Hundreds of EGR valves (Excessive idling can cause this)
Leaking EGR Coolers
Clogged Oil Coolers.
A LOT of injectors. (Oil, Oil/Fuel filter changes are very important. Low fuel pressure destroys Injectors. We stay on top of maintenance but still went through a lot.)
A few Turbos went bad but I can't remember what caused most of it.

Then there's the Ford stuff. Annual Brakes and Ball Joints, etc:lol:

I hear ditching the EGR and an aftermarket oil cooler does wonders for them. I cant say much about that though because, obviously, we dont mod them. Just slap on more OEM parts and restart the Tow Truck countdown again. :lol:

If you're interested in a 7.3, take a good look under it. The oil pans are known to rot out and are very costly to change. My friend changes them for one of the lowest rates around. About $600 plus parts. Most shops want many multiples of that.

[Cutty72]

yeah and they were soooo discrete about where they hung the tank. on the chevy anyway it is right under the passenger door. dealer said it needs a gal per 1000 miles of that stuff. course they didn't know where to get it or how much it would cost.

That's a little high, but close. I've seen it in truck stops for about $5/gal and $12 for 2.5 gal.
I believe the fill for GM's is under the hood.

[Cutty72]

Where? Auction?

What are considered the 'weak points' of the 6.0 Jon? If I was looking to mod it for reliability, where would I start?

I would have been all over that 7.3!

As for the weak points, pretty much what everyone has already listed.

Pull the cab and replace the headgasket, and put in ARP studs while you are at it. Delete the EGR cooler, or get an aftermarket replacement if you are somewhere that gets inspected. Get some new injectors and turbo while the cab is up, and you should be reasonably reliable.

[azoomm]

New Wheels:

Before:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/F350/P4180040.jpg

After:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/F350/P41800402.jpg

Comparison:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/F350/P4180042.jpg

Close up:
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/F350/P41800412.jpg

[Cutty72]

Awesome. Those are the exact wheels I want!

[Gas Man]

I love black wheels. But I actually may like the before wheels first. Were they stockers?

[Cutty72]

Yeah Gas, those are stock.

[Gas Man]

Well in typical fashion of ford lately... stocks are real nice.

[Cutty72]

Well in typical fashion of ford lately... stocks are real nice.

My biggest prob is I like the style of the 20" wheels, but want them in 18", and the 18's they offer suck

[azoomm]

Awesome. Those are the exact wheels I want!

www.rimzoneonline.com

ATX. :)

We actually purchased them on their eBay store and got a bit of a better deal.

Yeah, we took off 20/275 and put on 18/295. I love the look of these with the wheel wells and bumpers. Winch is coming....

[wildchild]

no pics here at work. I'll have to check it out tonight. I found a place in florida duallywheels4u that had some nice rims to choose from. haven't made the final choice yet for mine. this year I think is going to be mostly mechanical next year will be comsmetic for mine.

rims look very nice. i like the looks of black rims.

[azoomm]

Got rid of the step...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/May_19_2011_5904.jpg

Replaced with automatic retractable step...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/May_19_2011_625.jpg

[Gas Man]

What MPG you getting?

[azoomm]

Last fill 25.7

[Gas Man]

With the tune though?

[azoomm]

Yup.

[shmike]

Got rid of the step...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/May_19_2011_5904.jpg

Replaced with automatic retractable step...
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b56/azoomm/May_19_2011_625.jpg

Is that first pic with the step retracted or before it was installed?

How do you know the MPG? Onboard computer or do you hand calc?

[azoomm]

Is that first pic with the step retracted or before it was installed?

How do you know the MPG? Onboard computer or do you hand calc?

Retracted. Scroll up and you'll see the shiny chrome-like step. I'm normally not a fan of steps, but this truck is huge.

I'm kicking it old skool with math. Onboard computer says 26.4, it can't do math.

[shmike]

Retracted. Scroll up and you'll see the shiny chrome-like step. I'm normally not a fan of steps, but this truck is huge.

I'm kicking it old skool with math. Onboard computer says 26.4, it can't do math.

I saw the chrome.

I wasn't sure if the retracted step folded under the truck (like it does) or against the bottom of the rocker panel.

I was going to commend you for actually hauling shit in your truck but on second glance, it's just the old steps. :lol:

[Gas Man]

I have contiplated gg older diesel truck with tune. But I'm not sure if I go used truck if I shud go nice shiny or old nasty diesel. Something that you just don't care abt cosmetic.

[Cutty72]

I have contiplated gg older diesel truck with tune. But I'm not sure if I go used truck if I shud go nice shiny or old nasty diesel. Something that you just don't care abt cosmetic.

Go 7.3L or 6.4L or 6.7L. Avoid the 6.0 like the plague.

7.3L, dead reliable, make about 400 hp affordably and get around 18-20.

6.4L can make ~500 pretty cheap (tuner and DPF delete) and get low 20's

6.7L I've heard bone stock is putting around 360 to the ground and getting low 20's.

Just depends on what you want to spend...
7.3 is '99 to '03 (in the superduty style) and a decent one will run you around $16k.
6.4 is '08 to '10 and they are still in the 20's to 30's.
6.7 is new... yeah, like 50k ++

[wildchild]

much cleaner look with the fold up steps. like it much. still thinking of taking the boards off of mine. it is only 2 wd so not that hard to get into. i hate the look with the running boards but certain people who ride in the truck would like them to stay.

[Gas Man]

Thanks for the info cutty. Not sure what I'll do. Want to test drive the vw & volvo this weekend.

Are those side steps power or push?

[dReWpY]

Retracted. Scroll up and you'll see the shiny chrome-like step. I'm normally not a fan of steps, but this truck is huge.

I'm kicking it old skool with math. Onboard computer says 26.4, it can't do math.

getting in and out of the jeep is a bitch, not only is it jacked up, but you have to make it up into the tub!:wtfru:

i love it, but i am thinking a set of rock rails/ steps are in order stat!

[Particle Man]

Thanks for the info cutty. Not sure what I'll do. Want to test drive the vw & volvo this weekend.

Are those side steps power or push?

I'm guessing the "automatic" makes 'em power unless there's some mechanical connection between the door and step.

[Cutty72]

I've never seen a non power set, so we'll go with that.

[azoomm]

I'm guessing the "automatic" makes 'em power unless there's some mechanical connection between the door and step.

Power and lit with LEDs. These are a necessity with this truck. Even with my inseam I have to use the step to get in and out of this truck. I just hated the look of those shiny stock ones. And, the permanent steps didn't make sense to me on something this tall - why have it that tall if you have something that is going to potentially catch on crap?

[Gas Man]

Yeah it just lowers your ground clearance Clarance