Pa. abortion doc killed 7 babies with scissors

[tallywacker]

A doctor whose abortion clinic was described as a filthy, foul-smelling "house of horrors" that was overlooked by regulators for years was charged Wednesday with murder, accused of delivering seven babies alive and then using scissors to kill them.

Dr. Kermit Gosnell was also charged with murder in the death of a woman who suffered an overdose of painkillers while awaiting an abortion.

In a nearly 300-page grand jury report filled with ghastly, stomach-turning detail, prosecutors said Pennsylvania regulators ignored complaints of barbaric conditions at Gosnell's clinic, which catered to poor, immigrant and minority women in the city's impoverished West Philadelphia section.

Prosecutors called the case a "complete regulatory collapse."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110119/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_clinic_investigation

Lame

[Dave]

what? now its murder? :lol:

[Trip]

what? now its murder? :lol:

yeah, seriously, this shit is confusing. :lol:

[Homeslice]

It's only murder when it's out of the womb. Suddenly that very instant somehow gives the baby humanity and a right to live.

And who the fuck names their son Kermit? Bet that's why the dude grew up to be cruel, as a way of getting back at the cruel world for making fun of his name :lol:

[Corey]

I guess this doctor didn't know when to....

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/horatio460.jpg

... cut his losses

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TTfKryDYHJI/AAAAAAAAAng/9oYkq703OJY/yeeeeaaaahhh.png

[Amber Lamps]

I'm with you guys...apparently, as long as the fetus still has a toe in the womb it's a choice, the moment it's fully extracted, it's murder.:idk: Don't get me wrong, I honestly despise the whole idea of abortion, it's part of why I'm fixed, but what's the difference really? It seems to me that the guy has devised a safer way to do it. There can be lots of complications with normal abortions, womb damage, etc. Why not just extract the fetus before you kill it? Either way the poor thing is murdered in my opinion, what possible difference does it make?:panic:

[Amber Lamps]

It's only murder when it's out of the womb. Suddenly that very instant somehow gives the baby humanity and a right to live.

And who the fuck names their son Kermit? Bet that's why the dude grew up to be cruel, as a way of getting back at the cruel world for making fun of his name :lol:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSFLZ-MzIhM

[Rangerscott]

I guess this doctor didn't know when to....

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/horatio460.jpg

... cut his losses

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TTfKryDYHJI/AAAAAAAAAng/9oYkq703OJY/yeeeeaaaahhh.png

Win!

[Homeslice]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSFLZ-MzIhM


lol........even when I was only 2 I refused to watch that homo show.

[Adeptus_Minor]

What I find inexcusable is lack of a sterile environment and medical practices that subject the patient to unnecessary risk.
This guy I wouldn't trust to run a butcher shop, let alone a clinic. :skep:

[EpyonXero]

I think the murder charge is for the woman he killed with painkillers.

[Trip]

I think the murder charge is for the woman he killed with painkillers.

There are several murder charges on this guy. PA also has a late term abortion law that makes it illegal to abort through delivery at like 24 weeks and beyond, he is guilty of that too.

[Papa_Complex]

There are several murder charges on this guy. PA also has a late term abortion law that makes it illegal to abort through delivery at like 24 weeks and beyond, he is guilty of that too.

That's just what I was thinking. If a 'doctor' fails to follow basic sterile practises and acknowledged best practise, then what are the odds he doesn't bother to check a calendar also? Pretty high, I would say.

[wildchild]

What I find inexcusable is lack of a sterile environment and medical practices that subject the patient to unnecessary risk.
This guy I wouldn't trust to run a butcher shop, let alone a clinic. :skep:

never know, that might be the other side of his shop. todays special is..........

[Trip]

never know, that might be the other side of his shop. todays special is..........

I want my baby back...baby back...baby back...baby back...Chili's baby back ribs...

[Papa_Complex]

I want my baby back...baby back...baby back...baby back...Chili's baby back ribs...

Baby; the other other white meat.

[Gas Man]

There are several murder charges on this guy. PA also has a late term abortion law that makes it illegal to abort through delivery at like 24 weeks and beyond, he is guilty of that too.
And that law is ok in my book. Fry this fucker. It's F's like this that give abortion it's real bad name.

[Mudpuppy]

he also is the father of every child..

he's the one they call dr. feelgood..

[azoomm]

What I find inexcusable is lack of a sterile environment and medical practices that subject the patient to unnecessary risk.
This guy I wouldn't trust to run a butcher shop, let alone a clinic. :skep:

It's what Pro-Choicers believe will happen more often if Roe v Wade is reversed... myself included.

[Tmall]

I've watched an abortion video out of morbid curiosity. What exactly do they think happens?

[Corey]

I've watched an abortion video out of morbid curiosity. What exactly do they think happens?

Magic?

[Kaneman]

So the guy kept a bunch of unwanted children from entering society and becoming delinquent criminals? Sounds like he should get a medal...

[shmike]

So the guy kept a bunch of unwanted children from entering society and becoming delinquent criminals? Sounds like he should get a medal...

Yep.

Just like this guy...

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2009/11/oregon_city_man_gets_jail_time.html

[Kaneman]

Yep.

Just like this guy...

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2009/11/oregon_city_man_gets_jail_time.html

No man, not at all. Dogs are way better than people.

[AquaPython]

In a nearly 300-page grand jury report filled with ghastly, stomach-turning detail, prosecutors said Pennsylvania regulators ignored complaints of barbaric conditions at Gosnell's clinic, which catered to poor, immigrant and minority women in the city's impoverished West Philadelphia section.


INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN




west Philadelphia, Born and rais.... oh snap nvm.

[Dave]

INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN




west Philadelphia, Born and rais.... oh snap nvm.

Lolz. I'm still waiting for someone to pull the race card on this one due to his clientele

[Amber Lamps]

Lolz. I'm still waiting for someone to pull the race card on this one due to his clientele

Wait, I'm black...

Yea this shit never would have gone on if this was a white neighborhood!!!

[Dave]

Wait, I'm black...

Yea this shit never would have gone on if this was a white neighborhood!!!

you go girl

[Kaneman]

Wait, I'm black...

Yea this shit never would have gone on if this was a white neighborhood!!!

Nah, this is exactly the kind of crime that white guys like to pull. You can keep your pretty bike thiefs and crackheads....we've got dudes that serial murder babies with scissors.

[goof2]

I guess this doctor didn't know when to....

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/horatio460.jpg

... cut his losses

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_WDuZBlGBc80/TTfKryDYHJI/AAAAAAAAAng/9oYkq703OJY/yeeeeaaaahhh.png

That is some quality work right there.:lol:

[Rangerscott]

Wait wait wait. I can't believe ya'll are against this seeing how you all bitch about paying for people's welfare.


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[Dave]

Wait wait wait. I can't believe ya'll are against this seeing how you all bitch about paying for people's welfare.


http://leech3.com/hippo.png http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSCwksUoyH8mh1arxaMW-ZzElvrpEuj5tr2T6to78LpKUcfXSv1gw

im supposed to allow physical irresponsibility in exchange for professional responsibility? thanks no.

[z06boy]

I hope the guy fries and his wife as well since she also performed 'abortions' according to this article and is actually only a cosmetologist !! :whatwhat:

Abortion in the first trimester doesn't really bother me if it's the woman's choice but after that yes it starts to become a problem. :idk:

This azzhat...again according to the article...

He "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord," District Attorney Seth Williams said.

[Amber Lamps]

I hope the guy fries and his wife as well since she also performed 'abortions' according to this article and is actually only a cosmetologist !! :whatwhat:

Abortion in the first trimester doesn't really bother me if it's the woman's choice but after that yes it starts to become a problem. :idk:

This azzhat...again according to the article...

Okay, I hear what everyone is saying BUT was there any indication in that article that the doctor KIDNAPPED these women and FORCED them to have abortions late in their pregnancies? Where is their responsibility? The mothers should be up on conspiracy to commit murder charges at the very least. Heck, these women premeditated the act and most likely sought this doctor out BECAUSE they had heard he would perform an abortion so late. Or is it the contention of the prosecution that these women were unaware of what trimester of pregnancy they were in? I don't condone any of this but the possibility exists that this doctor felt that he was performing a service for these poor women that those mean old Republicans and right to lifers were withholding from them.

[Papa_Complex]

Okay, I hear what everyone is saying BUT was there any indication in that article that the doctor KIDNAPPED these women and FORCED them to have abortions late in their pregnancies? Where is their responsibility? The mothers should be up on conspiracy to commit murder charges at the very least. Heck, these women premeditated the act and most likely sought this doctor out BECAUSE they had heard he would perform an abortion so late. Or is it the contention of the prosecution that these women were unaware of what trimester of pregnancy they were in? I don't condone any of this but the possibility exists that this doctor felt that he was performing a service for these poor women that those mean old Republicans and right to lifers were withholding from them.

Whether the women knew that what they were doing was illegal or not is in question. The doctor DEFINITELY had to know that it was illegal.

[Amber Lamps]

It's what Pro-Choicers believe will happen more often if Roe v Wade is reversed... myself included.

and later pregnancy abortions are what Right to Lifers are afraid will happen if the Pro-Choice people have their way... I mean, right now a woman that is 6 months pregnant can stroll into Planned Parenthood and have an abortion legally. That doesn't bother anyone?:idk: I guess not as long as the place is sanitary, right? As long as the personnel has the proper certificates, right? As long as the doctor follows the accepted procedure, right? Personally, I'm a fence rider and believe that people can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect me personally BUT as a concept, this makes me sick to my stomach.

[Kaneman]

That doesn't bother anyone?

Nope, not at all. In fact, its actually pretty fucking awesome.

Do you guys realize how many people there are on the earth? Waaaaay to fucking many if you want your kids to have a decent place to live too.

[Amber Lamps]

Whether the women knew that what they were doing was illegal or not is in question. The doctor DEFINITELY had to know that it was illegal.

Oh so they get to make a "choice" but don't have any responsibility? I didn't say let the doctor go free, I'm saying that these women should be arrested as well! If one of these women had hired a hit man to murder their husbands, they would be up on charges, right? The doctor was nothing more than a hired murderer, why do these women get to go free?

[Rangerscott]

Shmishmortion

[Kaneman]

why do these women get to go free?

Because prosecuting them, even though what they did was wrong and over the line, may make other women considering abortions fear for repercussions if they do....leading to fewer abortions and more unwanted children, which is something we can't afford.

[Papa_Complex]

Oh so they get to make a "choice" but don't have any responsibility? I didn't say let the doctor go free, I'm saying that these women should be arrested as well! If one of these women had hired a hit man to murder their husbands, they would be up on charges, right? The doctor was nothing more than a hired murderer, why do these women get to go free?

Perhaps I should have said, "... a question for a court of law..." in order to be more clear then ;)

Because prosecuting them, even though what they did was wrong and over the line, may make other women considering abortions fear for repercussions if they do....leading to fewer abortions and more unwanted children, which is something we can't afford.

Time to institute Spartan Law!

[Rangerscott]

How about if theres proof that a man or woman that has multiple kids from multiple partners (not married, not holding a relationship, a whore) is required to get "fixed."

[Rangerscott]

Sure tax payers would have to pay for the operations but thats a lot cheaper than paying peoples welfare.

[Amber Lamps]

Perhaps I should have said, "... a question for a court of law..." in order to be more clear then ;)


Yea, or you could realize that this is a discussion board so trying to derail a debate by saying "it's not my/your/our decision to make" is kinda lame....:wink:

No one is going to convince me that a woman that was 8 months along "didn't know" that getting an abortion was illegal.... They sought this doctor out.

[Papa_Complex]

Yea, or you could realize that this is a discussion board so trying to derail a debate by saying "it's not my/your/our decision to make" is kinda lame....:wink:

No one is going to convince me that a woman that was 8 months along "didn't know" that getting an abortion was illegal.... They sought this doctor out.

Methinks you underestimate the stupidity, or wilful ignorance, of the 'average citizen.'

[Rangerscott]

I thought every prego goes down a dark alley to get an abortion tig?

[Amber Lamps]

Methinks you underestimate the stupidity, or wilful ignorance, of the 'average citizen.'

I think that you are underestimating the evil, conniving, cunning of a desperate woman! :lol: Besides, I doubt that this guy was the first stop for all of these women. Some of them were probably turned away from "reputable abortion clinics" because they were so late and found this guy. It is ridiculous to grant these women a pass. Seriously, this entire situation began because of the poor decisions these women made. I'm sure that it's not their fault they got pregnant in the first place, or that they waited 8 months to make a "choice", or that they sought out this doctor, etc. Those poor innocent victims...

[Amber Lamps]

I thought every prego goes down a dark alley to get an abortion tig?

Clothes hanger in the bath tub, actually.....

[Dave]

I think that you are underestimating the evil, conniving, cunning of a desperate woman! :lol: Besides, I doubt that this guy was the first stop for all of these women. Some of them were probably turned away from "reputable abortion clinics" because they were so late and found this guy. It is ridiculous to grant these women a pass. Seriously, this entire situation began because of the poor decisions these women made. I'm sure that it's not their fault they got pregnant in the first place, or that they waited 8 months to make a "choice", or that they sought out this doctor, etc. Those poor innocent victims...

Seriously. If you are gonna wait that long you might as well abort mom too

[Kaneman]

How about if theres proof that a man or woman that has multiple kids from multiple partners (not married, not holding a relationship, a whore) is required to get "fixed."

Because that puts us as a society in a situation where the Government has control over which citizens can reproduce and which can't. Then you have people unlawfully avoiding their requiring fixing and going to prison (where they will most likely be anally raped) for not submitting to a forced surgery. Absolutely not a choice for a free nation.

What you could do, however, is simply offer anyone who wants to get fixed $1,000 in cash to do it. Guess who the first ones lining up to get that $1,000 would be? Exactly....people who probably shouldn't be having children to begin with.

Take that and couple it with "cum on the tits" sex education at the high school level and we'd be well on the way to solving our overpopulation and sustaining our ability to have a civilized society for a few more years at least.

[z06boy]

Okay, I hear what everyone is saying BUT was there any indication in that article that the doctor KIDNAPPED these women and FORCED them to have abortions late in their pregnancies? Where is their responsibility? The mothers should be up on conspiracy to commit murder charges at the very least. Heck, these women premeditated the act and most likely sought this doctor out BECAUSE they had heard he would perform an abortion so late. Or is it the contention of the prosecution that these women were unaware of what trimester of pregnancy they were in? I don't condone any of this but the possibility exists that this doctor felt that he was performing a service for these poor women that those mean old Republicans and right to lifers were withholding from them.

I don't disagree with you here but the doctor and his staff members is who got arrested and who the article was about and is who I was talking about.

I agree...if these women...the ones that actually lived...knew they were this far along and THEN decided to abort...go after them too.

I'm not against early term abortion but 6...7..8 + months along...fvck that.

[z06boy]

Seriously. If you are gonna wait that long you might as well abort mom too

:rofl: Just saw this...agreed.

[Amber Lamps]

I don't disagree with you here but the doctor and his staff members is who got arrested and who the article was about and is who I was talking about.

I agree...if these women...the ones that actually lived...knew they were this far along and THEN decided to abort...go after them too.

I'm not against early term abortion but 6...7..8 + months along...fvck that.

I believe one woman died of a drug overdose...I guess the doctor gave her pain killers and them shoved them down her throat...:idk:

[Rangerscott]

Parents need to do their job and teach THEIR kids about sex. Not strangers. Then if you need help with specifics, then get a hold of a person that has an education in sex, not some high school teacher.

[azoomm]

Seriously. If you are gonna wait that long you might as well abort mom too

:shmike:

[z06boy]

I believe one woman died of a drug overdose...I guess the doctor gave her pain killers and them shoved them down her throat...:idk:

Sounds like it...not sure what happened to the other one...according to the article...

At least two women died from the procedures, while scores more suffered perforated bowels, cervixes and uteruses, authorities said.

[Dnyce]

i have no problems with abortion, if its not born yet then who cares if it first week or 8th month? same result, dead baby. dont see how you can justify one but not the other, even tho thats how the law is. the women who wait that long have issues and shouldnt have kids in the first place lol-however i think if u have one, youre done. if u have another, while they're in there they should tie the chicks tubes as well.
this dude just seems all around dirty, they should all go to jail.

[Kaneman]

Parents need to do their job and teach THEIR kids about sex. Not strangers. Then if you need help with specifics, then get a hold of a person that has an education in sex, not some high school teacher.

But its kind of like saying "parents need to do their job and teach THEIR kids about science, or reading, history, etc. etc. Sex is huge part of life and should absolutely be taught as standard education that you have to study and get a grade on, the same as any other subject you learn in school.

In fact, due to its importance, there should probably be a heavier emphasis and more time spent on this one subject than any other.

[pauldun170]

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[goof2]

Because that puts us as a society in a situation where the Government has control over which citizens can reproduce and which can't. Then you have people unlawfully avoiding their requiring fixing and going to prison (where they will most likely be anally raped) for not submitting to a forced surgery. Absolutely not a choice for a free nation.

What you could do, however, is simply offer anyone who wants to get fixed $1,000 in cash to do it. Guess who the first ones lining up to get that $1,000 would be? Exactly....people who probably shouldn't be having children to begin with.

Take that and couple it with "cum on the tits" sex education at the high school level and we'd be well on the way to solving our overpopulation and sustaining our ability to have a civilized society for a few more years at least.

I agree with most of your post, but with regards to America at least how do you figure we are overpopulated?

[Kaneman]

I agree with most of your post, but with regards to America at least how do you figure we are overpopulated?

Because we've more than tripled our population in 100 years, stupid people are breeding like rabbits, we're running out of resources, rural areas are disappearing faster than ever, and goddamnit people won't pull out.

Cum on the tits people, our future depends on it.

[101lifts2]

So the guy kept a bunch of unwanted children from entering society and becoming delinquent criminals? Sounds like he should get a medal...

So if the child is poor, a minority or an immigrant, he is automatically going to be a crimminal? You do realize there is a 2% chance you are wrong.

[Kaneman]

So if the child is poor, a minority or an immigrant, he is automatically going to be a crimminal? You do realize there is a 2% chance you are wrong.

My post didn't say anything about poor minority immigrants, it said "unwanted." Is a child who's mother doesn't want him to the point of visiting an abortion doctor automatically 100% of the time going to be a criminal? No, but its going to be a pretty high percentage.

[goof2]

Because we've more than tripled our population in 100 years, stupid people are breeding like rabbits, we're running out of resources, rural areas are disappearing faster than ever, and goddamnit people won't pull out.

Cum on the tits people, our future depends on it.

Our population growth has slowed to a crawl, we still have plenty of resources and plenty of rural areas. I guess I just don't see the problem you do.:shrug:

[Rangerscott]

Just because there is a patch of green over there doesnt mean bulldize it to build shit on top of it.

[Homeslice]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between aborting at 6 months vs 8 months? Why is one legal and the other isn't? Obviously 8 mos. is riskier to the mother, but is there also a "moral" difference being claimed here?

[goof2]

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the difference between aborting at 6 months vs 8 months? Why is one legal and the other isn't? Obviously 8 mos. is riskier to the mother, but is there also a "moral" difference being claimed here?

You are getting at the crux of the abortion issue and the reason why there isn't really a middle ground or acceptable compromise. It all depends on when a person believes "life" begins.

Some say at conception. They are typically the people who have problems with any and all "abortion", often to the point of including the morning after pill in their definition.

Then you have what I would guess is the majority of people. They tend to believe "life" begins somewhere around the time a fetus becomes viable. It is one thing to remove a bunch of cells, a parasite, or however else people choose to classify a fetus that is not yet viable. For many it is quite another thing to terminate, lets call it an organism, that is capable of living outside the womb. That viability is also what influences the legal difference between 6 months and 8 months you were asking about.

The last group seems to either believe "life" doesn't begin until that fetus is outside the womb or it doesn't matter and the decision should be the mother's alone as long as the fetus is inside her. They are the advocates for late term and partial birth abortion with no preconditions. Some in group 2 above also believe this should be an option under special circumstances such as the woman is pregnant by rape or significant birth defects have been discovered.

Again, it really comes down to personal beliefs on the "moral" side of things. On the legal side I think a lot of that has been laid out based on what the majority of people believe about the issue.

[Rangerscott]

From now on. Every year women get an abortion if they need one or not.

[Homeslice]

You are getting at the crux of the abortion issue and the reason why there isn't really a middle ground or acceptable compromise. It all depends on when a person believes "life" begins.

Some say at conception. They are typically the people who have problems with any and all "abortion", often to the point of including the morning after pill in their definition.

Then you have what I would guess is the majority of people. They tend to believe "life" begins somewhere around the time a fetus becomes viable. It is one thing to remove a bunch of cells, a parasite, or however else people choose to classify a fetus that is not yet viable. For many it is quite another thing to terminate, lets call it an organism, that is capable of living outside the womb. That viability is also what influences the legal difference between 6 months and 8 months you were asking about.

The last group seems to either believe "life" doesn't begin until that fetus is outside the womb or it doesn't matter and the decision should be the mother's alone as long as the fetus is inside her. They are the advocates for late term and partial birth abortion with no preconditions. Some in group 2 above also believe this should be an option under special circumstances such as the woman is pregnant by rape or significant birth defects have been discovered.

Again, it really comes down to personal beliefs on the "moral" side of things. On the legal side I think a lot of that has been laid out based on what the majority of people believe about the issue.

"Capable of living outside the womb"...... too bad it won't live very long without being taken care of. Hell, the same is true for most toddlers.

IMO it's no different than people trying to justify why a dog or cat is more worthy of survival than a deer. It's just an arbitrary decision based on physical appeal or what they can or can't stomach.

[Adeptus_Minor]

IMO it's no different than people trying to justify why a dog or cat is more worthy of survival than a deer. It's just an arbitrary decision based on physical appeal or what they can or can't stomach.


Well, I'd call that a matter of taste :lol:

[goof2]

"Capable of living outside the womb"...... too bad it won't live very long without being taken care of. Hell, the same is true for most toddlers.

IMO it's no different than people trying to justify why a dog or cat is more worthy of survival than a deer. It's just an arbitrary decision based on physical appeal or what they can or can't stomach.

You asked what it is based on. Nobody said it had to make sense.:shrug:

[Amber Lamps]

Morality is always a sticky issue...Women have been aborting babies since forever, normally for pragmatic or survival reasons. In our present society, women often abort children for convenience reasons. I find this quite distasteful on a personal level but I don't believe that it is any of my business, as I took myself out of the "breeding pool" over 20 years ago.

Of course, if we have these discussions, I will always be against abortion for convenience, period. "Having a baby doesn't fit into my lifestyle or plans right now", will never be a viable reason to murder a child IMHO. Women that do so should probably be restricted from having children whatsoever, if they can throw one away so casually.:idk:

As far as the "moral" difference between 6 months and 8 months... I guess it doesn't really matter any more than considering the age of the victim in a murder trial, ie sentencing the murderer based on how many more years the victim might have lived. My only point with the pregnancy time is a legal one, again, it's always wrong to abort for convenience imho.

As far as the "which animals can be killed" thing goes... I've often argued that point myself. M. Vick kills a couple dogs=MONSTER! Joe Blow posts pics of the 20 deer racks he has hanging in his den and he's a hero....:idk:

[Amber Lamps]

You asked what it is based on. Nobody said it had to make sense.:shrug:

I guess they had to make the "cut-off" point somewhere.... BTW I personally know several people that believe that Tommy's wife, for example, could have changed her mind at the hospital and instead of inducing labor, she could have aborted. It was her choice. In fact, if I'm not mistaken we have a couple people on this board that feel this way.:idk: Again, I'm out of the "breeding pool" so I don't "care" what the rest of you do with your children but I do have an opinion.

[Papa_Complex]

As far as the "which animals can be killed" thing goes... I've often argued that point myself. M. Vick kills a couple dogs=MONSTER! Joe Blow posts pics of the 20 deer racks he has hanging in his den and he's a hero....:idk:

Joe Blow probably ate those deer, or at least gave someone their meat, rather than leaving them to rot in the forest. As to Vick it likely wouldn't have mattered if they were dogs or roosters; it's illegal for both.

[goof2]

I guess they had to make the "cut-off" point somewhere.... BTW I personally know several people that believe that Tommy's wife, for example, could have changed her mind at the hospital and instead of inducing labor, she could have aborted. It was her choice. In fact, if I'm not mistaken we have a couple people on this board that feel this way.:idk: Again, I'm out of the "breeding pool" so I don't "care" what the rest of you do with your children but I do have an opinion.

If you read my post from last night I did cover those who believe, for a couple of different reasons, it should be the mother's choice right up until birth.

[Amber Lamps]

Joe Blow probably ate those deer, or at least gave someone their meat, rather than leaving them to rot in the forest. As to Vick it likely wouldn't have mattered if they were dogs or roosters; it's illegal for both.

Ah but are we arguing morality or legality? Is it your contention that if Vick had eaten those dogs and mounted their heads on his wall, it would have been "morally" okay in your book?:lol:

[Amber Lamps]

If you read my post from last night I did cover those who believe, for a couple of different reasons, it should be the mother's choice right up until birth.

Oh I'm not arguing with you at all... I can understand the point if it were rape, a deformed child, etc. If you read my post you'll see that I am only against abortion for convenience.:idk:

[Papa_Complex]

Ah but are we arguing morality or legality? Is it your contention that if Vick had eaten those dogs and mounted their heads on his wall, it would have been "morally" okay in your book?:lol:

Yup; as long as he didn't kill them in a torturous way.

[Amber Lamps]

Yup; as long as he didn't kill them in a torturous way.

Lord knows being gut shot and dragging your ass 1+ miles before finally breathing your last breath isn't "torturous"...:wink:

[Homeslice]

Lord knows being gut shot and dragging your ass 1+ miles before finally breathing your last breath isn't "torturous"...:wink:

Ah, but hunting is a time-honored tradition practiced by Real Men with Small-Town Values from the Heartbread of America :wink:

Wheras dogs are man's best friends, and have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be more intelligent and worthy of life than deer, whales, or any other animal :wink:

[Particle Man]

Wheras dogs are man's best friends, and have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be more intelligent and worthy of life than deer, whales, or any other animal :wink:though they also go particularly well with General Tso's Chicken...

[Amber Lamps]

though they also go particularly well with General Tso's Chicken...

Actually, dog meat isn't bad if prepared correctly. I've had it twice and it's "okay"...of course, I feel the exact same way about venison or most small game animals.

[Papa_Complex]

though they also go particularly well with General Tso's Chicken...

What are you thinking man? You know that dogs and cats don't get along.

[Particle Man]

What are you thinking man? You know that dogs and cats don't get along.
Hot peppers equalize all.

[101lifts2]

Actually, dog meat isn't bad if prepared correctly. I've had it twice and it's "okay"...of course, I feel the exact same way about venison or most small game animals.

You aren't suppose to eat dogs and cats as they are unclean animals.

[Amber Lamps]

You aren't suppose to eat dogs and cats as they are unclean animals.

pork...

[101lifts2]

pork...

Yeah pork as well.

[Amber Lamps]

Yeah pork as well.

then I'm going to hell anyway...:idk:

[Homeslice]

You aren't suppose to eat dogs and cats as they are unclean animals.

How so? I don't see too many dogs eating poop.

[Rangerscott]

How many of ya'll were "accidents?"

[askmrjesus]

How many of ya'll were "accidents?"

I was definitely not an accident.

You bang a chick all the way from space, that shit's on purpose.

JC

[azoomm]

How so? I don't see too many dogs eating poop.

You've obviously never had both a pet cat and dog.... kitty litter treats. :lol:

Y'all are really off topic professionals.

[Tmall]

Didn't Akilldemma get outed or something?

[tallywacker]

Didn't Akilldemma get outed or something?


I think he was a child molester.

[Kaneman]

You aren't suppose to eat dogs and cats as they are unclean animals.

That's hilarious. I bet people who think that have never driven by a chicken farm or cattle feed lot.

[tommymac]

"Capable of living outside the womb"...... too bad it won't live very long without being taken care of. Hell, the same is true for most toddlers.

IMO it's no different than people trying to justify why a dog or cat is more worthy of survival than a deer. It's just an arbitrary decision based on physical appeal or what they can or can't stomach.

With advances in neonatology a fetus can be considered viable at 20 weeks, although I believe only one has survived that came out at 20 weeks so i think that makes it more of a gray area than in the past.

[Homeslice]

You've obviously never had both a pet cat and dog.... kitty litter treats. :lol:


But compared to how often cows, pigs, and chicken eat poop?

No comparison.

[Dave]

How many of ya'll were "accidents?"

i was a shower run from the field at ft riley. planned for though

[Tmall]

Where's Tater's whore of an ex-wife when you need her.

[101lifts2]

then I'm going to hell anyway...:idk:

Two things...

1. There is no hell.
2. You are not Jewish and therefore you are not bound by the law.

redflip

[101lifts2]

How so? I don't see too many dogs eating poop.

Bible says so...:idk:redflip

[101lifts2]

That's hilarious. I bet people who think that have never driven by a chicken farm or cattle feed lot.

Technically no chicken or turkey either.

[askmrjesus]

Sorry, but none of my dogs have ever ate cat litter or someone else's poop.

Lucky you.

The puppy loves him some poop-sickles.

JC

[Kaneman]

Technically no chicken or turkey either.

And cattle?

[defector]

I have a pretty simple theory on eating animals - if they can (and do) lick their own asshole, I don't go out of my way to eat them.