Bud's Gun Shop

[Triple]

They are always cheaper than local shops and often less than what I find on Gunbroker.com.

Good deals? Which brand?

Taurus 24/7-9SSP17 9MM PRO STAINLESS (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/19788) / Taurus 24/7-40SSP15 40S PRO STAINLESS (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/19800) - $297.00

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/imagecache/19800_sm.jpg vs. http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/imagecache/13284_sm.jpg

S&W SW9VE 9mm STAINLESS (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/13283) / S&W SW40VE .40SW STAINLESS (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/13284) - $289.00

[derf]

Good prices, but I would go with the 9mm S&W, a little better quality than the taurus, just need to fix the trigger problem that you will have with the S&W.

If either of them were a $500 gun I would say that they are crappy, but for $300 they are pretty good

Much better for slightly higher cost
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_28/products_id/69735

[OneSickPsycho]

An old buddy of mine had the same S&W... it was pretty good, but he never used it much. It never felt that great in my hands, at least compared to my M&P.

[Triple]

Good prices, but I would go with the 9mm S&W, a little better quality than the taurus, just need to fix the trigger problem that you will have with the S&W.

I've read that they have a very heavy trigger pull, but that trying to fix it can lead to other problems.

It's primarily for home defense while I'm out of town, and perhaps something she can carry in the car. I've yet to buy my wife a handgun and she isn't comfortable with the big Browning BPS. The heavy pull is a concern-- considering her tiny hands-- but I imagine she would get used to it with practice.

[racedoll]

It's primarily for home defense while I'm out of town, and perhaps something she can carry in the car.

Which one fits her hands better, feels more comfortable to hold (possibly her shooting if you can)?

Whichever she chooses, then that is the one I'd pick as I think they are both good deals and can go either way in quality.

[OneSickPsycho]

I've read that they have a very heavy trigger pull, but that trying to fix it can lead to other problems.

It's primarily for home defense while I'm out of town, and perhaps something she can carry in the car. I've yet to buy my wife a handgun and she isn't comfortable with the big Browning BPS. The heavy pull is a concern-- considering her tiny hands-- but I imagine she would get used to it with practice.

I never really noticed the pull being too heavy with my buddy's, but it's been a LONG time since I shot it...

To carry... and her tiny hands... what about:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/54585

[racedoll]

I never really noticed the pull being too heavy with my buddy's, but it's been a LONG time since I shot it...

To carry... and her tiny hands... what about:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/54585

In my experience as a female with smaller hands, sometimes the smaller guns aren't always better. There isn't enough to hold on to, so it makes a fine line between too small and too big.

[OneSickPsycho]

In my experience as a female with smaller hands, sometimes the smaller guns aren't always better. There isn't enough to hold on to, so it makes a fine line between too small and too big.

Well, then there's this:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/58065

I dunno, but I'd be real interested in shooting one...

[racedoll]

Well, then there's this:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/58065

I dunno, but I'd be real interested in shooting one...

Honestly that little pinky extension really does make a difference, for me. Probably would change this little gun for the better.

Chances are his wife won't be shooting that often so it really won't make much difference what he gets. :shrug:

[OneSickPsycho]

Honestly that little pinky extension really does make a difference, for me. Probably would change this little gun for the better.

Chances are his wife won't be shooting that often so it really won't make much difference what he gets. :shrug:

I agree, but it all depends on the gun too. I shot a little Glock with the extended clip and I never felt in control. I shot an XD with similar size and setup and I LOVED it.

[goof2]

I got a Smith & Wesson Sigma in .40 when the deal was too good to pass up (under $350 after tax/background/transfer/etc. plus a mail in rebate for $50 and two more high cap mags). The trigger as delivered was heavy as hell, I've heard its around 10 lbs., and it was inconsistent. If I'm remembering correctly it had two springs for the trigger mechanism. I removed one and replaced the other with a lighter spring, I think for a Glock but I'm not sure, and polished the hell out of the mechanism. The trigger is lighter but still somewhat inconsistent, and it is still crap compared to the trigger on my Springfield 1911.

[Particle Man]

Bud...

[OneSickPsycho]

I got a Smith & Wesson Sigma in .40 when the deal was too good to pass up (under $350 after tax/background/transfer/etc. plus a mail in rebate for $50 and two more high cap mags). The trigger as delivered was heavy as hell, I've heard its around 10 lbs., and it was inconsistent. If I'm remembering correctly it had two springs for the trigger mechanism. I removed one and replaced the other with a lighter spring, I think for a Glock but I'm not sure, and polished the hell out of the mechanism. The trigger is lighter but still somewhat inconsistent, and it is still crap compared to the trigger on my Springfield 1911.

I got the same deal with my M&P... I got my $50 and a letter apologizing that they had ran out of mags temporarily... then they sent me an extra one for free... Three mags plus $50!

Bud...

Weis?

[Triple]

To carry... and her tiny hands... what about:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/54585

I was just looking at that as a carry weapon for myself, actually. More expensive ammunition, though. I'm trying to stick to 9mm (cue Amorok and fnfalman in 3... 2... 1...).

I've yet to buy my wife a handgun...

Speaking of guns I've yet to buy, I'm still lusting after one of these:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/62219A.jpg

And they keep getting more and more expensive the longer I wait.

I'd like a nickle-plated Cheetah, too, but again: expensive ammo.

[Rangerscott]

I have a SW9VE. Shoots just fine. Trigger is on the hard side but that depends on the users finger strength. Im not a know it gun nut so I dont know what to hate in a gun. I pull the trigger and it goes bang and im happy. Nothing to the SW. Easy to take apart and clean. I like the feel of the handle. Fits my hand nicely. Clips eject nicely.

I do wish the sights were smaller. At 10ft, lining up the 3 dots covers up a lot of the target.

I believe the sw9 and sw40 are same dimensions so if you want to carry then I say go with the 40. If not then the 9.

[Particle Man]

Weis?
ER!

[wildchild]

I own both the sw9ve and the Taurus in 9mm.
the smith I have had for years. it has never failed me and I've shot tons of rounds through it. trigger pull is very heavy. if you want to shoot slow and accurate forget it. if you want to pull up and shoot it is great. many gun shops won't touch it to change the trigger because of other issues.

the Taurus has already been sent back for repairs. they were good about repairing it no questions asked. we haven't taken it back out shooting to see if it is better. you can feel a difference in the slide action already though. apparently it had a couple broken parts from manuf according to them.

if my life depended on one of them i would take the smith every time. the taurus' trigger is not much better then the smith. a little, but not day and night type of better.

[racedoll]

I agree, but it all depends on the gun too. I shot a little Glock with the extended clip and I never felt in control. I shot an XD with similar size and setup and I LOVED it.

I'll agree with this too. My point is that sometimes smaller isn't always better for smaller hands, that's all. And then we could get into the debate about what is better for her, etc. In the end, as long as something is there for her to use is what is important.

[Rangerscott]

I held a couple mini 380's at the last gun show and even with my small hands they felt too small. There's no girth to the handle. I want to grab hold to the gun when I need it and not fumble around with it.

[Twobanger]

.380 I'd look at the S&W Bodyguard. GT Distributers sells them for 289.

9mm HK P30. They come with s,m,l side panels and backstraps so you can fit the gun to your hands.

If you don't want to spend HK money and still get a gun you can fit to your hand, a S&W M&P from a dealership that carries law enforcement versions (Gtdist.com and Quanticotactical.com) will come with 3 magazines, and are often less expensive than regular gun stores.

Grtactical.com for built guns.

I have at least 3000 rounds through my M&P without any sort of failure.

[Triple]

.380 I'd look at the S&W Bodyguard. GT Distributers sells them for 289.

I like this. Pretty certain she will, too.

Smith & Wesson Bodyguard® 380 - $289.95 (http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=SW-109380-xx)

http://www.gtdist.com/images/SW-109380_lg.jpg

It's gotten a lot of bad reviews for reliability issues, however. Owners claim it is comfortable and accurate, but prone to jams and falling apart. Apparently, you have to look out for certain serial numbers; EAB models addressed the problems prone to earlier EAA pieces, but EAF and EAH models have issues, too.

Why was I under the impression 9mm is so much cheaper than .380? 50-round boxes of each are selling for about the same prices through CheaperThanDirt.com. Last time I was looking at handguns was about this time last year; has the cost/availability of .380 ammo changed?

[Rangerscott]

Call up CDNN out of Abilene, TX. They always have sales. You can download their catalog but a lot say "call for price."

They deal all over the world and are on lock down. No advertisement, no walk ins. They deal over the phone and will ship to tye dealer you want it shipped to. They do charge a little more if youuse a CC.

[Corey]

I like this. Pretty certain she will, too.

Smith & Wesson Bodyguard® 380 - $289.95 (http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=SW-109380-xx)

http://www.gtdist.com/images/SW-109380_lg.jpg

It's gotten a lot of bad reviews for reliability issues, however. Owners claim it is comfortable and accurate, but prone to jams and falling apart. Apparently, you have to look out for certain serial numbers; EAB models addressed the problems prone to earlier EAA pieces, but EAF and EAH models have issues, too.

Why was I under the impression 9mm is so much cheaper than .380? 50-round boxes of each are selling for about the same prices through CheaperThanDirt.com. Last time I was looking at handguns was about this time last year; has the cost/availability of .380 ammo changed?

It's a nice looking gun and feels decent in the hand, but even in the store something felt off. The button for the laser is shit, and the take down pin didn't seem very well seated. I thought it might just be a problem with that specific gun, but when I looked into it, it seemed to be common complaints. It's good to see the cost on it coming down though. The local shops were all looking for about $500. For that, there are plenty of other guns I'd much rather have.

[racedoll]

I like this. Pretty certain she will, too.

Smith & Wesson Bodyguard® 380 - $289.95 (http://www.gtdist.com/ProductDetail.aspx?PartNumber=SW-109380-xx)

http://www.gtdist.com/images/SW-109380_lg.jpg

It's gotten a lot of bad reviews for reliability issues, however. Owners claim it is comfortable and accurate, but prone to jams and falling apart. Apparently, you have to look out for certain serial numbers; EAB models addressed the problems prone to earlier EAA pieces, but EAF and EAH models have issues, too.

Why was I under the impression 9mm is so much cheaper than .380? 50-round boxes of each are selling for about the same prices through CheaperThanDirt.com. Last time I was looking at handguns was about this time last year; has the cost/availability of .380 ammo changed?

Good luck finding this gun in any shop. Every where around here is sold out. I haven't heard the good, bad, or the ugly.

Yes, 380 ammo prices have come down significantly from last year. They were running at least $20/50 rounds. Now you can find for under $20, not quite as low as 9mm but only a couple bucks more.

But if there is ever a shortage again, we'll be back to last year with a 380 shortage. (This is why I started reloading.)

[Rangerscott]

Racedoll. You want some spent 9mm casings?

[Corey]

Racedoll. You want some spent 9mm casings?

That's an interesting pickup line.

[racedoll]

Racedoll. You want some spent 9mm casings?

If you want to send them to me. I just recently got 9mm dies so I am able to reload those now too. Now I just need a gun to shoot them in... hubby won't let me shoot them in his.

[Rangerscott]

Ok. I think I have 100 or something.

Corey you dont need a pickup line when u have confidence. They come to me.

[racedoll]

That's an interesting pickup line.

Obviously it worked! I fell for it :)

[Rangerscott]

See!

[Corey]

Obviously it worked! I fell for it :)

Does it work if I swap out 9mm for .45?

[racedoll]

Does it work if I swap out 9mm for .45?

:lol: too funny guys.

I don't have dies for 45, but I'm not opposed to it. I'd have to buy a gun that shoots it....darn.

[Corey]

:lol: too funny guys.

I don't have dies for 45, but I'm not opposed to it. I'd have to buy a gun that shoots it....darn.

1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911

That should cover that problem.

[racedoll]

1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911 1911

That should cover that problem.

Does this mean you are offering to buy me one? :dthumb:

[Corey]

Does this mean you are offering to buy me one? :dthumb:

Sure, right after I win Lotto.

[Triple]

Yes, 380 ammo prices have come down significantly from last year. They were running at least $20/50 rounds. Now you can find for under $20, not quite as low as 9mm but only a couple bucks more.

Who makes a decent 9mm around the size of this Bodyguard?

[racedoll]

Who makes a decent 9mm around the size of this Bodyguard?

Here are a few off the top. Personally I'd lean toward the Bersa just because I have a 380 and it is a wonderful gun for what I paid. The draw back is that 1.) it isn't available yet, I heard June and 2.) it is a bit bigger than the bodyguard.

Not sure of the quality/reliability of the Kahr or Kel-Tec. I'm sure someone could chime in on that.

Bersa BP8CC - $432
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=BP9MCC&&mfg=Bersa&mdl=BP&cat=1&type=Semi-Automatic+Pistol&cal=9MM&fin=&sit=&zipcode=44217

Kahr CW
http://www.e-gun.net/more.asp?gid=20292&gun=Pistol

Kahr PM
http://www.e-gun.net/more.asp?gid=20293&gun=Pistol

Kel-Tec PF9 - $333
http://www.e-gun.net/more.asp?gid=20108&gun=Pistol

[dReWpY]

im looking for a cheap and mean the cheapest 22 pistol ya'll can find.. ready set go!

i found a NEOS for $237 that i liked, i just want something for plunking, my 1911 gets expensive fast!

[racedoll]

im looking for a cheap and mean the cheapest 22 pistol ya'll can find.. ready set go!

i found a NEOS for $237 that i liked, i just want something for plunking, my 1911 gets expensive fast!

This cheap enough for you?

http://www.e-gun.net/more.asp?gid=20271&gun=Pistol

[goof2]

im looking for a cheap and mean the cheapest 22 pistol ya'll can find.. ready set go!

i found a NEOS for $237 that i liked, i just want something for plunking, my 1911 gets expensive fast!

There are a few options that aren't going to be the cheapest, but they aren't going to be much more than what you have listed. I haven't used any of these so I can't speak to how well any of them work.

If you want your .22 to be similar to your 1911 you can get a Ruger 22/45 for around $300. The grip and trigger pull are supposed to be the same as a standard 1911. You can also get a .22 conversion kit for your existing .45 frame. There are a few companies who make these, but do some research as some work better than others.

[dReWpY]

This cheap enough for you?

http://www.e-gun.net/more.asp?gid=20271&gun=Pistol

perfect!

[wildchild]

im looking for a cheap and mean the cheapest 22 pistol ya'll can find.. ready set go!

i found a NEOS for $237 that i liked, i just want something for plunking, my 1911 gets expensive fast!

we have a NEOS, it's fun as hell to shoot and all but free. only thing I don't like about it is the take down method makes it seem a little toyish. unscrew this plastic screw to remove the barrel and slide?

but we haven't had any issues with it at all. did receive a recall on it though. we haven't sent it in, they say may fire upon racking the slide. we have not experienced any issues with it, but will probably send it in for fix soon. just in case.

[Triple]

.380 I'd look at the S&W Bodyguard. GT Distributers sells them for 289.

Just discovered GT Distributers has a showroom less than 40 minutes from me. No shipping or transfer fees, sweet.

[OneSickPsycho]

I must say, that S&W Bodyguard looks money... I'd love to shoot one, maybe buy one... I'm leary of all the chatter about them falling apart though...

[Triple]

I must say, that S&W Bodyguard looks money... I'd love to shoot one, maybe buy one... I'm leary of all the chatter about them falling apart though...

Pros:
- size
- comfort
- accuracy
- PRICE

Cons:
- questionable build quality
- reliability issues
- unpredictable ammunition supply

[OneSickPsycho]

Pros:
- size
- comfort
- accuracy
- PRICE

Cons:
- questionable build quality
- reliability issues
- unpredictable ammunition supply

Reliability and build quality are right at the top of my 'important shit to have in a CCW'...

[dReWpY]

Reliability and build quality are right at the top of my 'important shit to have in a CCW'...

ccw a 1911, you have a big enough frame that you would be able to conceal it, if im have my holster on and all but my meshy you cant tell its there

[HokieDNA01]

I have the Taurus 24/7 pro 9mm and really like it although the trigger does have a lot of play. I have gotten used to it. It is too large however for me to carry so I keep it as a home defense gun. I also have a Kahr cw9 that I really like. It is a single stack so it is much thinner and easier to conceal. It kicks harder than the Taurus but is manageable and accurate. Might want to take a look at the Kahr as well.

[OneSickPsycho]

ccw a 1911, you have a big enough frame that you would be able to conceal it, if im have my holster on and all but my meshy you cant tell its there

I would prefer something completely concealed... For a 1911, I could just carry my M&P.

[Triple]

Any ladies here ever try to carry a full-frame pistol? Any purses/bags available purpose-made to conceal something as big as the SW9VE?

[Rangerscott]

They make purses that look like they have a flap on the front. Its the concealment pouch.

[HokieDNA01]

I have a concealment purse from Coronado. There are tons available. Mine has a concealment pouch with a zipper entry. There is also velcro available on some models. I prefer the zipper because it has a built in lock.

http://www.coronadoleather.com/

http://glockstore.com/index/10_Concealment+Purses/

[racedoll]

I also have a Kahr cw9 that I really like.

I thought you did and that you would hopefully chime in on the reliability of it.

Any ladies here ever try to carry a full-frame pistol? Any purses/bags available purpose-made to conceal something as big as the SW9VE?

I have a concealment purse from Coronado. There are tons available. Mine has a concealment pouch with a zipper entry. There is also velcro available on some models. I prefer the zipper because it has a built in lock.

http://www.coronadoleather.com/
http://glockstore.com/index/10_Concealment+Purses/

What Hokie said on the purse since I don't carry one. I have looked at them and they are pretty sweet.
I found that the holster makes a HUGE difference on how well I can conceal so I wouldn't be as hesitant (as I was) in trying to carry a full frame pistol.

The key is dressing for concealing, which means maybe not wearing that cute, tight shirt that you really want to wear. Or wear it but throw a little jacket over it.

[Inferno]

Wow, good prices

[Amber Lamps]

I thought you did and that you would hopefully chime in on the reliability of it.





What Hokie said on the purse since I don't carry one. I have looked at them and they are pretty sweet.
I found that the holster makes a HUGE difference on how well I can conceal so I wouldn't be as hesitant (as I was) in trying to carry a full frame pistol.

The key is dressing for concealing, which means maybe not wearing that cute, tight shirt that you really want to wear. Or wear it but throw a little jacket over it.

Hahahaha! I wonder when Gicci, Coach or Versace will come out with a "concealment purse"?:lol:

[Twobanger]

I have a gsg 1911 in .22 that's been an awesome gun since I bought it. It's not cheap (329) but I'm a big believer in practicing with what you carry. I bought one of the first ones brought in and the newer ones have some updates.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1ATGSG1911&name=German+Sports+Guns+GSG+1911+.22lr+Pistol&groupid=3

I got a recall notice from Beretta for my Neos, so if you go that route, check the serial number to see if it needs it.

[Triple]

I have a concealment purse from Coronado. There are tons available. Mine has a concealment pouch with a zipper entry. There is also velcro available on some models. I prefer the zipper because it has a built in lock.

http://www.coronadoleather.com/

http://glockstore.com/index/10_Concealment+Purses/

Sticker shock! :eek:

The key is dressing for concealing, which means maybe not wearing that cute, tight shirt that you really want to wear. Or wear it but throw a little jacket over it.

Yeah, that isn't going to happen with my wife. If she is to carry at all, she'll have to use a purse.

I own both the sw9ve and the Taurus in 9mm.
the smith I have had for years. it has never failed me and I've shot tons of rounds through it. trigger pull is very heavy. if you want to shoot slow and accurate forget it. if you want to pull up and shoot it is great. many gun shops won't touch it to change the trigger because of other issues.

I have a SW9VE. Shoots just fine. Trigger is on the hard side but that depends on the users finger strength. Im not a know it gun nut so I dont know what to hate in a gun. I pull the trigger and it goes bang and im happy. Nothing to the SW. Easy to take apart and clean. I like the feel of the handle. Fits my hand nicely. Clips eject nicely.

Have either of you tried many different ammunitions? It would take some of the trial and error out of it for me if I knew what shot the smoothest and cleanest.

[wildchild]

Sticker shock! :eek:



Have either of you tried many different ammunitions? It would take some of the trial and error out of it for me if I knew what shot the smoothest and cleanest.

nothing fancy here, i usually run Winchester target loads through the SW and it eats them up just fine. I have run some remington through it as well and a couple boxes of hollow points. it honestly hasn't mattered what I loaded in it, it always fires. only drawback to it is the trigger pull.

reliability is right up there with a rock or hammer. it always does what you want it to do.