New car / truck prices...

[Triple]

A new, base-model 4-cylinder, 5-speed Ranger costs almost $18K..?

Base-model, full-size Chevy work trucks that start above $20K..?

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[Dave]

You can thank those 90 dollar an hour workers and your loving government. :lol:

[Particle Man]

You can thank those 90 dollar an hour workers and your loving government. :lol:

:lol

[derf]

Yup, next question

[Rangerscott]

Small size pickups have always been close to full size. Id like a small pickup but im not paying sticker price or anywhere near it.

Id like to find a deal on a Ranger with the 4.0L V6.

[Triple]

Seven years ago I bought a new, base Sonoma for a tick over $10K OTD.

Twenty grand for a stripped down pickup of any size is a joke.

That said, used prices for trucks like the one I currently own are much higher than I expected. I was thinking of selling mine and picking up something smaller for the fuel economy, but not for these prices.

[CasterTroy]

What'll REALLY kick you in the dick is the bigger broader picture down the road.

That ranger MAY get 15mpg and that full size with a V8 will get 20mpg

:td:

My old boss use to buy the v6 work truck edition chevy's for service vehicles. He got MAYBE 17mpg out of them

So he decided to buy a few rangers to save on up front cost + fuel cost......they got 12-14mpg :idk:

He decided to buy 3 new v8 chevy's and they get over 20 plus they were only slightly more money than the rangers.

Over the long term the v8 work chevy's are costing a lot less.

He determined that the drivers of the rangers were giving the little 4 bangers all they had to get up to speed...thus KILLING the mileages. Where the v8's they didn't have to press the gas hard at all. So they weren't working them as hard.

[Triple]

That ranger MAY get 15mpg and that full size with a V8 will get 20mpg.

I averaged 25mpg with my Sonoma and could get more on extended freeway trips. Nothing amazing for a 4-cylinder, but good enough for a truck.

I know a few people with newer V8 Chevies and they all report excellent mileage. I wouldn't mind one at all; just wish you could get one with a stick.

My Dakota does not get good mileage. No better than the full-size Ram I had prior to the Sonoma.

[smileyman]

I always buy Oct - Dec with the yr end rebates...Short bed full size FTW

[OneSickPsycho]

A new, base-model 4-cylinder, 5-speed Ranger costs almost $18K..?

Base-model, full-size Chevy work trucks that start above $20K..?

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I just saw a commercial for a local dealer - 2011 Rangers $13,500.

[goof2]

Trucks/SUVs have a lot of profit margin built in to their MSRPs. That's also why what used to be the big three built the shit out of them. With the difficulties selling them there is no reason you should be paying anywhere near MSRP when buying one.

My 2004 Nissan Frontier 4 banger, 5 speed averages well over 20mpg city and highway and I'm pretty aggressive with the throttle.:shrug:

[Homeslice]

Small size pickups have always been close to full size. .

Not until 15 years ago. Plenty of small trucks before then.

Fuck trucks, they are a ripoff, precisely because you guys keep buying them. The manufacturers know they can get good money for them. And for such low tech ---- All they are is a box on a frame, but when they add leather seats people think they're luxury vehicles all of a sudden. :lol

I mean seriously, mid-upper 30's for a F150 XLT? what a joke.....

The only truck I've driven that has performance-like handling is the Tacoma X-Runner. So that's the only truck I'd ever consider buying. Unfortunately it looks a little silly with the body kit it comes with.

[OneSickPsycho]

Not until 15 years ago. Plenty of small trucks before then.

Fuck trucks, they are a ripoff, precisely because you guys keep buying them. The manufacturers know they can get good money for them. And for such low tech ---- All they are is a box on a frame, but when they add leather seats people think they're luxury vehicles all of a sudden. :lol

I mean seriously, mid-upper 30's for a F150 XLT? what a joke.....

The only truck I've driven that has performance-like handling is the Tacoma X-Runner. So that's the only truck I'd ever consider buying. Unfortunately it looks a little silly with the body kit it comes with.

My truck as a pretty good amount of tech... at least it's a unibody... of course, truck guys always scoff and say it's not a truck... :idk:

[Cass]

Small size pickups have always been close to full size. Id like a small pickup but im not paying sticker price or anywhere near it.

Id like to find a deal on a Ranger with the 4.0L V6.

My first car was a 94 Ranger, 4L v6, LOVED that thing... drove the PISS out of it, and it came back for more :lol:

Not until 15 years ago. Plenty of small trucks before then.

Fuck trucks, they are a ripoff, precisely because you guys keep buying them. The manufacturers know they can get good money for them. And for such low tech ---- All they are is a box on a frame, but when they add leather seats people think they're luxury vehicles all of a sudden. :lol

I mean seriously, mid-upper 30's for a F150 XLT? what a joke.....

The only truck I've driven that has performance-like handling is the Tacoma X-Runner. So that's the only truck I'd ever consider buying. Unfortunately it looks a little silly with the body kit it comes with.

My old boss got a new truck last.. fall I think? F150 bells and whistles, blacked out, lifted, new rims/tires.... 60k. I shit my panties when she told me that.

I mean... it's fucking PIMP... but for 60k, I'd get a pimped out mini and a newer (but used) truck. FUCK.

[TYEster]

I'd like to know why new jeeps cost $30k and even 10 year old ones cost over 10k...

I wanted one as a fun offroad toy, but what the fuck? These are the shitty no-door having 4cyl with "offroad" tires that were as slick as drag radials. Did I miss where they were worth their weight in gold? I mean, they don't pull over 20mpgs with lifts and tires I'd want.

[Hydrant]

I'm debating on selling my truck and getting a new one. I currently have a 04 Silverado Z71 Crew Cab 1/2 ton with 50K miles. The truck has been paid off for 2 years now, but I love the styling / power of whats on the market. Unfortunately, the 1/2 ton I want now, with the bigger motor, 4x4, crew cab, and up in the tech department is getting close to $50k. Even the trade in or resale on my truck will take a dent out of the price, I'm still looking at roughly $30-35K. So that's my dilema.

I figured trade in might get me $15K, private trade $18 but that is pushing it.

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[Homeslice]

My old boss got a new truck last.. fall I think? F150 bells and whistles, blacked out, lifted, new rims/tires.... 60k. I shit my panties when she told me that.


Lifted with aftermarket offroad suspension? Or just a lift kit from the factory? If it's just the latter, I'm struggling to see how the total would reach $60K unless $15-20K of that is rimz/tires.

[RACER X]

2010 used f150 $45k all factory equipment

http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/2166018918.html

[defector]

Fuck trucks, they are a ripoff, precisely because you guys keep buying them.

So what exactly am I supposed to pull the toy hauler with?

[karl_1052]

My buddy bought a brand new 5.0 mustang in 1991. Cost him $14,200.
Now the cheapest mustang with a v8 costs $42000

[Hydrant]

Fuck trucks, they are a ripoff, precisely because you guys keep buying them.



When they come up with a car that can pull a 22' boat (or get through a muddy jobsite, pull a trailer with quads or bikes or other junk), loaded with coolers, gear, and people, then I might take a look. Until then I don't see myself being in a car

[Homeslice]

2010 used f150 $45k all factory equipment


Which is over twice the MSRP of a new base-model F150.

You guys are getting ripped off by the option packages.

[Cutty72]

Which is over twice the MSRP of a new base-model F150.

You guys are getting ripped off by the option packages.

biggest hit is adding the crew cab. if you go with a reg cab, or even just the extended cab, you will save major bucks.

[dReWpY]

My buddy bought a brand new 5.0 mustang in 1991. Cost him $14,200.
Now the cheapest mustang with a v8 costs $42000

my thing is the new v6 has 300hp

the old v8 made like 225hp lol

[Homeslice]

biggest hit is adding the crew cab. if you go with a reg cab, or even just the extended cab, you will save major bucks.

I guess it all boils down to the manufacturer knowing that people are forced to buy crew cab if they have a kid(s) and it's going to be their primary vehicle.

So much profit margin baked into these things. When I worked at Ford a few years ago they told me they made $18K off every Navigator built. And that's just from selling them to the dealership.

[Rangerscott]

I'd like to know why new jeeps cost $30k and even 10 year old ones cost over 10k...

I wanted one as a fun offroad toy, but what the fuck? These are the shitty no-door having 4cyl with "offroad" tires that were as slick as drag radials. Did I miss where they were worth their weight in gold? I mean, they don't pull over 20mpgs with lifts and tires I'd want.


Jeep pricing is the same as Harley pricing. The name brings a premium.


Pickup options suck these days. It's either baseline model or fully decked out. There's no in between.

[goof2]

I guess it all boils down to the manufacturer knowing that people are forced to buy crew cab if they have a kid(s) and it's going to be their primary vehicle.

So much profit margin baked into these things. When I worked at Ford a few years ago they told me they made $18K off every Navigator built. And that's just from selling them to the dealership.

It also has to do with resale. A pre-owned regular cab isn't worth much of anything and an extended cab isn't much better. It doesn't help that they tend to come with the least desirable powertrain combinations and 2wd either.

[Sixxxxer]

4 wheel drive adds like 3 to 4k to the overall price of the truck...When I traded in my 05 F150 last september they were trying to sell me on a 2010 Regular Cab/Long bed 2 wheel drive for like 17 and change with all these rebates and shit they added to it...But it was barebones as all hell, Literally Manual everything.

I wasnt about to downgrade from an Extended cab 4 Wheel drive truck to that thing...So they asked me what I wanted...and what my number was for my payment. After insulting me with a number 60 dollars OVER what i said i would go...I got up and walked away from the salesman. They then still came back over what my number was and I started to walk out of the dealership completely.

7 hours later and me flat out telling them if they dont come down to the number i gave them there was no deal I was walking out...I drove home in this.

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2008 Ram 1500 Big Horn Edition 4x4 Power EVERYTHING It was a huge upgrade from the Ford...and I love it. its the 4.7 Not the Hemi...Although it has alot more punch and tq than the 4.6 in the Ford had.

just stick to your guns when you shop for cars and dont let the dealer walk on you...If you know what you can afford, tell them...if they cant get you to that goal...then go elsewhere. and if you cant get what you want elsewhere...then you shouldnt be buying a new vehicle in the first place.

[101lifts2]

What'll REALLY kick you in the dick is the bigger broader picture down the road.

That ranger MAY get 15mpg and that full size with a V8 will get 20mpg

:td:

My old boss use to buy the v6 work truck edition chevy's for service vehicles. He got MAYBE 17mpg out of them

So he decided to buy a few rangers to save on up front cost + fuel cost......they got 12-14mpg :idk:

He decided to buy 3 new v8 chevy's and they get over 20 plus they were only slightly more money than the rangers.

Over the long term the v8 work chevy's are costing a lot less.

He determined that the drivers of the rangers were giving the little 4 bangers all they had to get up to speed...thus KILLING the mileages. Where the v8's they didn't have to press the gas hard at all. So they weren't working them as hard.

Yep...esp. with the cylinder deactivation.

The 4.3L 2007 Silverado I had got 17-19...and the V-8 got 17-21.

[101lifts2]

4 wheel drive adds like 3 to 4k to the overall price of the truck...When I traded in my 05 F150 last september they were trying to sell me on a 2010 Regular Cab/Long bed 2 wheel drive for like 17 and change with all these rebates and shit they added to it...But it was barebones as all hell, Literally Manual everything.

I wasnt about to downgrade from an Extended cab 4 Wheel drive truck to that thing...So they asked me what I wanted...and what my number was for my payment. After insulting me with a number 60 dollars OVER what i said i would go...I got up and walked away from the salesman. They then still came back over what my number was and I started to walk out of the dealership completely.

7 hours later and me flat out telling them if they dont come down to the number i gave them there was no deal I was walking out...I drove home in this.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs027.ash2/34696_451935127896_674207896_5343646_6811328_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs704.snc4/62486_451935147896_674207896_5343647_4658708_n.jpg

2008 Ram 1500 Big Horn Edition 4x4 Power EVERYTHING It was a huge upgrade from the Ford...and I love it. its the 4.7 Not the Hemi...Although it has alot more punch and tq than the 4.6 in the Ford had.

just stick to your guns when you shop for cars and dont let the dealer walk on you...If you know what you can afford, tell them...if they cant get you to that goal...then go elsewhere. and if you cant get what you want elsewhere...then you shouldnt be buying a new vehicle in the first place.

Did you own the F-150 or owe a ton on it?

60 over on the payment sounds about right for the first "square" dealers use. :lol:

[101lifts2]

A new, base-model 4-cylinder, 5-speed Ranger costs almost $18K..?

Base-model, full-size Chevy work trucks that start above $20K..?

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:lol

That dog is hilarious.

[Amber Lamps]

B:lol

That dog is hilarious.

Qft! My dog has a wtf look as well, hilarious. In fact, he just gave me a sample when I started lol for no apparent reason.:lol:

[Triple]

Jeep pricing is the same as Harley pricing. The name brings a premium.

Same with these things:

1993 Toyota Pick-Up - $3500 (Cartersville) (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/ctd/2188832820.html)

http://images.craigslist.org/3na3m63lb5Y15U55R4b1u514a658aef2a11a1.jpg http://images.craigslist.org/3nf3pe3o75Y05V05T1b1u0e31900247fd1b2f.jpg

This one is reasonably priced compared to most I find.

[Cass]

Lifted with aftermarket offroad suspension? Or just a lift kit from the factory? If it's just the latter, I'm struggling to see how the total would reach $60K unless $15-20K of that is rimz/tires.

factory bits. I didn't go with her to buy, just asked later.

[Triple]

At least some trucks are still priced competitively:

2006 Dodge Dakota V8 w/ 6-speed MUST SEE - $13500 (Resaca, GA) (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2193779168.html)

This thing is a steal and one of you should definitely buy it.

[Homeslice]

60 over on the payment sounds about right for the first "square" dealers use. :lol:

The "4 squares" sheet is retarded.

You should fuck with them by not telling them you have a trade-in until after you've agreed upon the price of the new vehicle. Then they can't fill in the 4th square on that dumb piece of paper. :lol:

[Sixxxxer]

Did you own the F-150 or owe a ton on it?

60 over on the payment sounds about right for the first "square" dealers use. :lol:

I had owned the F 150 for about a Year, Making all of the payments...I had gotten a good deal on the F150 but it also had more miles on it than my current truck when I bought it...But after all said and done the dealer paid 1,000 over what I Owed on the F150 and I got them down to what I wanted, I was paying 395/Mo for the F150 which was an Extended cab 4x4 But it had Manual windows/seats/locks/ Full back window

The Ram is 420/Mo with Less miles and even more bells and whistles than the Ford...Its a nicer truck by far and I'm happy with the purchase. I got great financing on the Ram to, so in turn even though its a 25$ increase on the monthly payment, My insurance went down 15$ so really I only went up 10$ a month for what I feel is a better truck by far.

If you really stick it to dealers you'll either get what you want or like I said...you have no business trying to buy a car in the first place.

[Sixxxxer]

The "4 squares" sheet is retarded.

You should fuck with them by not telling them you have a trade-in until after you've agreed upon the price of the new vehicle. Then they can't fill in the 4th square on that dumb piece of paper. :lol:

Lmao, I had a buddy go to a dealer and talk up the salesman on a jeep he wanted...Told the salesman he was serious and not bullshitting around...Salesman never asked him what or how he was gonna work the deal assuming by his attitude it was most likely cash.

So my friend gets the dealer to knock off a hefty chunk of money gets it to basically 500$ above dealer cost...They shake and the salesman says ok lets go do the paperwork and then my friend tells him ok well lets see how financing goes...they tried to back out of the agreed price once they realized he wasnt paying in cash and all of it that day...after getting thru all the red tape my friend got his jeep for the agreed upon price that was originally stated.

I feel like when you go there, it's a game to them...to see how much they can try and fuck you over. I actually flat out said that to the guy who sold me my truck...He started back peddling saying "Im here to help you, you just gotta help me" it was actually quite comical

[pauldun170]

At least some trucks are still priced competitively:

2006 Dodge Dakota V8 w/ 6-speed MUST SEE - $13500 (Resaca, GA) (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2193779168.html)

This thing is a steal and one of you should definitely buy it.

Definitely rare.
Definitely interesting and I love the "idea" of it so much that i would buy it BUT...........

1. Its a 5 year old dodge
2. Its a 5 year old dodge with the 4.7 V8 (If I remember correctly those engines turn to overheating sludge filled paper weights pretty quickly)

[Triple]

Its a 5 year old dodge with the 4.7 V8 (If I remember correctly those engines turn to overheating sludge filled paper weights pretty quickly)

With this generation Dakota, you should be more concerned with the manual transmission than the V8 engine.

The sludge-filling nature of these engines has a lot to do with shitty ethanol fuels. When I switched to 100% gasoline, the difference was immediately noticeable. Smoother idle, better throttle response, slightly improved fuel economy.

[Homeslice]

Lmao, I had a buddy go to a dealer and talk up the salesman on a jeep he wanted...Told the salesman he was serious and not bullshitting around...Salesman never asked him what or how he was gonna work the deal assuming by his attitude it was most likely cash.

So my friend gets the dealer to knock off a hefty chunk of money gets it to basically 500$ above dealer cost...They shake and the salesman says ok lets go do the paperwork and then my friend tells him ok well lets see how financing goes...they tried to back out of the agreed price once they realized he wasnt paying in cash and all of it that day...after getting thru all the red tape my friend got his jeep for the agreed upon price that was originally stated.


There are other cases where they hope you'll finance because they get a cut off the interest rate. But maybe that's not a big factor anymore with today's low rates.

[Rangerscott]

Same with these things:

1993 Toyota Pick-Up - $3500 (Cartersville) (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/ctd/2188832820.html)

http://images.craigslist.org/3na3m63lb5Y15U55R4b1u514a658aef2a11a1.jpg http://images.craigslist.org/3nf3pe3o75Y05V05T1b1u0e31900247fd1b2f.jpg

This one is reasonably priced compared to most I find.

Ya those 80-90's Toys hold their value or people are just crazy (both seller & buyer). I'd only give $3500 for that is if the drivetrain was rebuilt and it had a solid axle up front.

My father was on a business trip years ago and saw an old Toy pickup for sale. Pulled off to go see it and it needed a good amount of work take make it decent looking (maybe running too). My father thought it would have been a nice project for me and would be a nice addition to my Samurai. He called the number and they guy wanted $5k for it. My dad busted out laughing and the guy asked what my father was going to offer. When my dad said $800, the convo didn't last long after that. :lol

[Cutty72]

There are other cases where they hope you'll finance because they get a cut off the interest rate. But maybe that's not a big factor anymore with today's low rates.

Yup, when I worked at a dealership we could always give a little more when they were financing through the store.

[Rangerscott]

It's sad when a company doesn't want cash straight up.

[Porkchop]

I always buy Oct - Dec with the yr end rebates...Short bed full size FTW

My cousin was shopping for a new GMC Sierra 4x4 for almost a year. Went in at the last day in Oct before the new models came in and the dealership wanted to move stuff. He walked out after trading in his shitty Ranger, WITH and extended warranty for 28 grand. On a 41,000 truck. Dude stole that truck.

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Love the Dodges. Love this model, love the new model. My neighbor just got the brand new 2011 in silver. :drool: