Symantec Endpoint Protection < rant >

[Papa_Complex]

So, has anyone ever had to deal with this absolute piece of shit 'security software' before? So far I've got 4 hours into trying to get it off of one of our VP's tablet PCs. Remove it, and it kills networking. Leave it in, and the CPU never seems to go below 50% utilization. OK, so how does it protect your PC? I guess making it COMPLETELY FUCKING UNUSABLE means that you'll never get a virus.

My past experience with tablets tells me that I REALLY don't want to have to reinstall the O/S. Symantec's forums have proved to be useless. Their 'removal tool' doesn't work with this shit. Internet searches show that lots of people have the issue with it pushing the CPU harder than it should AND with it screwing everything up when it's removed. Hell, it even screws up permissions on registry keys, so that you can't delete them to correct the problems after uninstall.

[Bluestreak]

Once after removing that craptastic software, I had to rebuild the TCP/IP stack and re-install the NIC driver. The rebuild of the stack was what fixed my problem. EPP binds to the NIC as you well know.

I've been slowly moving anyone with Symantec EPP to other solutions.

[Papa_Complex]

I wish that it was that easy to correct the problem. Registry keys that are associated with the bullshit Teefer2 driver are locked solid, I can't run any sort of installation without being told that there's already a pending operation from a previous installation, and I can't even check the properties of my network adapter, without Explorer taking a shit on me.

[Bluestreak]

Sounds fun!

With 4 hours in, wouldn't it be easier to rebuild?

[Papa_Complex]

Obviously you've never tried to get Win7 Tablet Edition properly configured, on a Dell XT2.

[Bluestreak]

Obviously you've never tried to get Win7 Tablet Edition properly configured, on a Dell XT2.

redflip

Obviously! Good luck!

[Captain Morgan]

I've hated all of the big three in Internet Security. Symantec (Norton), McAfee and Kaspersky. Every fucking one of them completely takes over the computer and slows it down beyond belief. Need to find some type of firewall/security software that doesn't take over the whole fucking system, but still provides security against downloading viruses, etc.

[Papa_Complex]

Say what you will about Norton but I've never had an issue uninstalling McAfee, unless the system was so badly riddled by virus that I had to reinstall anyway. This system is CLEAN. Not even any bad browser cookies. I've had this sort of bullshit with Norton/Symantec products since I first got into the industry.

Use AVG Free or Avast. They're pretty slim.

[Rangerscott]

Buy an oem windows disk. Done.

[Avatard]

Ubuntu.

Seriously. Try it. They must have a tablet distro by now.

[Avatard]

Yep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D53GVyVxWw

[Trip]

They have it on our work computers, blows goats...

[Rangerscott]

They have it on our work computers, blows goats...

Whats that like?

Ubuntu is neat. A lot of different types too.

[Avatard]

They have it on our work computers, blows goats...

My experience with it is that it finds drivers better than windows, installs easier, is more stable, doesn't require all kinds of security add-on shit, is easy to use, leverages resources better, is open source, and totally free, and comes in many flavors (like Ubuntu Studio for artists).

For the record, I'm an old fart stuck in my ways using ancient fucking software on XP.

That said, everyone that isn't a fucking fossil stuck in their ways that I've hooked up with it fucking loves it.

[Papa_Complex]

Ubuntu.

Seriously. Try it. They must have a tablet distro by now.

Not possible. This is a VP's Win7 system. She also has a MacBook (O/S derived from FreeBSD) and can have literally whatever other systems and operating systems she wants.

[Porkchop]

Say what you will about Norton but I've never had an issue uninstalling McAfee, unless the system was so badly riddled by virus that I had to reinstall anyway. This system is CLEAN. Not even any bad browser cookies. I've had this sort of bullshit with Norton/Symantec products since I first got into the industry.

Use AVG Free or Avast. They're pretty slim.

AVG fucking blows. Its like a screen door. That shit programlet more stuff in my old laptop than anything I've ever seen. My new vaio came with microsoft security center and I love it. When my brothers Norton ran out, I put Avira on his because I hard Avast had its problems. He hadn't had any problems either. It just gives you pop ups to upgrade it every day.

[Trip]

My experience with it is that it finds drivers better than windows, installs easier, is more stable, doesn't require all kinds of security add-on shit, is easy to use, leverages resources better, is open source, and totally free, and comes in many flavors (like Ubuntu Studio for artists).

For the record, I'm an old fart stuck in my ways using ancient fucking software on XP.

That said, everyone that isn't a fucking fossil stuck in their ways that I've hooked up with it fucking loves it.

Wasn't referring to Ubuntu, I like Ubuntu.

Was talking about the piece of shit software this thread is referring to, Symantec Endwork Protection.

It literally takes my laptop 40 minutes to boot up fully with all the shit they put on our WinXP PCs at work.

[Avatard]

Oh, and it tags the fuck out of the processor all day too. Major mem and clock hog.

[Papa_Complex]

AVG fucking blows. Its like a screen door. That shit programlet more stuff in my old laptop than anything I've ever seen. My new vaio came with microsoft security center and I love it. When my brothers Norton ran out, I put Avira on his because I hard Avast had its problems. He hadn't had any problems either. It just gives you pop ups to upgrade it every day.

Never had a problem with AVG and it has, by far, been the most successful against the fake antivirus browser hijacks of any that I've used. McAfee Corporate is positively porous, by comparison. Avast is pretty good.

Wasn't referring to Ubuntu, I like Ubuntu.

Was talking about the piece of shit software this thread is referring to, Symantec Endwork Protection.

It literally takes my laptop 40 minutes to boot up fully with all the shit they put on our WinXP PCs at work.

If you check in Task Manager, it's undoubtedly spiking your CPU to 100%. It seems to be quite the memory hog too, though that tends to be less of a concern these days.

[Rangerscott]

AVG sucks donkey dong because its grown and is like the other big company antivirus programs. Shit wants to run in the background even when you have it turn off in msconfig, it under "startup" or "services." You cant even stop it with end process in task manager. Its getting deleted tonight.

[Lamnidae]

Personally I use Avast on my home systems, previously used AVG till they changed to their latest version.....


In re: to the original post -- Yeah, 4 hours in I'd say time to push a replacement OS to the tablet. Might be painfun, but easier than dealing with Symantec's shitty ass system.

I run the McAfee ePO setup out here.... It's not without faults, but IMHO it's better to manage and deploy to an enterprise compared to Symantec's P.O.S. (however, gotta love Symantec Mail Security for Exchange!).

[Trip]

I just have a Mac. :nee:

[tallywacker]

I'm running Avast free. Don't need much else. I used to use AVG until it turned evil.

Fuck Norton

I have Ubuntu dual booted on this laptop so I use it a lot as well. With it I don't really have to worry myself with viruses.

[Lamnidae]

I just have a Mac. :nee:

lmao.


Don't even go there with "Oh, Mac's are safe!"

I'm running Avast free. Don't need much else. I used to use AVG until it turned evil.

Fuck Norton

I have Ubuntu dual booted on this laptop so I use it a lot as well. With it I don't really have to worry myself with viruses.

..... it's not viruses I personally worry about.


It's people like me exploiting your system.

;)

[Trip]

lmao.

Don't even go there with "Oh, Mac's are safe!"

No one gives a shit about them, I don't run anything on it.

[tallywacker]

lmao.


Don't even go there with "Oh, Mac's are safe!"



..... it's not viruses I personally worry about.


It's people like me exploiting your system.

;)

Ok super hacker:?:

[Lamnidae]

Ok super hacker:?:

lol far from super. ;) Relax, just fucking with you bro.



Point being so many people worry "oh, I don't want to get a virus" --- when there's more malicious games afoot.

[Lamnidae]

No one gives a shit about them, I don't run anything on it.

.... that's the general attitude of most Mac owners.


Which surprises me as Mac's have gotten a smidgen more of the market share since the whole iPod/iPhone craze.


There's still plenty of security vulnerabilities.....

[tallywacker]

lol far from super. ;) Relax, just fucking with you bro.



Point being so many people worry "oh, I don't want to get a virus" --- when there's more malicious games afoot.

I'm in the network security profession, so its my job to be a hater.:x:

[Lamnidae]

I'm in the network security profession, so its my job to be a hater.:x:

lol

Gotcha.

I'm an enterprise system's guy but do more than my fair share w/ network security -- lookin' like the next job will be going full time into it.

[Trip]

.... that's the general attitude of most Mac owners.

Which surprises me as Mac's have gotten a smidgen more of the market share since the whole iPod/iPhone craze.

There's still plenty of security vulnerabilities.....

That's the general attitude of most non Mac users, I know cause I was one. The thing is having a Mac getting attacked or taken down is very very very seldom. It's rarer than a heavily protected PC getting taken down. I hate the whole Mac image, but it's just simple fact that us Mac users are statistically less likely of having someone get into our shit than you guys. Bitch and moan all you want, but mathematics is not on your side.

[Lamnidae]

That's the general attitude of most non Mac users, I know cause I was one. The thing is having a Mac getting attacked or taken down is very very very seldom. It's rarer than a heavily protected PC getting taken down. I hate the whole Mac image, but it's just simple fact that us Mac users are statistically less likely of having someone get into our shit than you guys. Bitch and moan all you want, but mathematics is not on your side.

Nah I don't bitch and moan, and I actually appreciate Mac's (been contemplating once since I'm looking to grow the photography business) --- but they have holes like most other things.... Yes, math is on your side. No argument there either.


But that's the traditional "Mac's better than you, fuck you" attitude --- which we could all live without.

http://www.grotto11.com/blog/images/Image.37034.1.gif

[Trip]

Nah I don't bitch and moan, and I actually appreciate Mac's (been contemplating once since I'm looking to grow the photography business) --- but they have holes like most other things.... Yes, math is on your side. No argument there either.

But that's the traditional "Mac's better than you, fuck you" attitude --- which we could all live without.

I hate the whole Mac image. I absolutely hate it. I really dislike owning a Mac, but I also love the damn thing. It's one of the best computers I have ever owned and this fucking 27" monitor is bad fucking ass. Basically I am one confused mother fucker. OSX has it's quirks that I can't get use to, I still boot camp windows for games and other things and run Fusion for quick access to windows while still in OSX, so I am not completely Apple yet...

I also have an absolute hatred of Steve Jobs. I hate that mother fucker.

[Lamnidae]

I hate the whole Mac image. I absolutely hate it. I really dislike owning a Mac, but I also love the damn thing. It's one of the best computers I have ever owned and this fucking 27" monitor is bad fucking ass. Basically I am one confused mother fucker. OSX has it's quirks that I can't get use to, I still boot camp windows for games and other things and run Fusion for quick access to windows while still in OSX, so I am not completely Apple yet...

I also have an absolute hatred of Steve Jobs. I hate that mother fucker.

Bro I feel you, they're good machines.... I'm not gonna knock 'em. But you can't knock Micro$oft either --- they have a great all-around product line and a demanding market share, even though shit breaks more often on 'em.

[Avatard]

I have only Apple computers anymore.

My desktop machine is a Mac Mini.

I run XP mostly.

I get to hate everyone.

:shrug:

[Trip]

Bro I feel you, they're good machines.... I'm not gonna knock 'em. But you can't knock Micro$oft either --- they have a great all-around product line and a demanding market share, even though shit breaks more often on 'em.

I don't hate Microsoft. I don't have a boner for them either. They did what was best for the computer market in general. Apples would cost 10k without Microsoft/Intel/IBM doing their thing. Microsoft is actually one of the best things to happen to the world. Without them pushing Apple, I doubt we would have iOS, ipods, ipads, and iphones.

[Avatard]

Well, they pushed Apple into Intel PC hardware standardization, which is responsible for dropping the costs of Apple's products dramatically. It forced them away from their proprietary hardware, and onto the lower cost Intel platform.

That cut costs by fucking half right there.

The truth is, Apple had always been a software company, but they thought they were a hardware company. Now, realistically, they have evolved into a design company.

That model seems to be working, and in terms of cost is way more efficient. They seem to be on a roll with successful product designs for a while now.

[Papa_Complex]

I have only Apple computers anymore.

My desktop machine is a Mac Mini.

I run XP mostly.

I get to hate everyone.

:shrug:

My second (third?) system at work is a Dell Optiplex 620, running OSX. I get to hate no one.

[tallywacker]

Well, they pushed Apple into Intel PC hardware standardization, which is responsible for dropping the costs of Apple's products dramatically. It forced them away from their proprietary hardware, and onto the lower cost Intel platform.

That cut costs by fucking half right there.

The truth is, Apple had always been a software company, but they thought they were a hardware company. Now, realistically, they have evolved into a design company.

That model seems to be working, and in terms of cost is way more efficient. They seem to be on a roll with successful product designs for a while now.

Yet they still charge the same prices. Who is the sucker?

[Avatard]

I like the form factor, and the design. Compatibility is also paramount in what I do. Apple's hardware (with rare exception of late) offers that almost flawlessly. Other brands haven't delivered that well in this regard, so for me it's worth the premium for what I do. I also often need cross-platform compatibility, which it delivers positively top notch as well. Sometimes, you do get what you pay for. Apple laptops continually rank as the very fastest Windows machines available. Hate if you want, but you don't look bright doing it. Computers all suck. The trick is finding the one that sucks the least for what you need it for. If it costs a bit more, but it just plain works for you, then it pays for itself.

[tallywacker]

I like the form factor, and the design. Compatibility is also paramount in what I do. Apple's hardware (with rare exception of late) offers that almost flawlessly. Other brands haven't delivered that well in this regard, so for me it's worth the premium for what I do. I also often need cross-platform compatibility, which it delivers positively top notch as well. Sometimes, you do get what you pay for. Apple laptops continually rank as the very fastest Windows machines available. Hate if you want, but you don't look bright doing it. Computers all suck. The trick is finding the one that sucks the least for what you need it for. If it costs a bit more, but it just plain works for you, then it pays for itself.

You can get a PC laptop with the same hardware for nearly $400 less.

[Avatard]

That runs OSX with the same compatibility? Remember, I said cross-platform. I don't wanna jerk off hackintosh on the rare occasion when I need to boot into OSX for something. Again, for me, it's worth it. It fits what I do, it saves me time, and hassles. It more than pays for itself. If what you do works for you, be happy.

[tallywacker]

That runs OSX with the same compatibility? Remember, I said cross-platform. I don't wanna jerk off hackintosh on the rare occasion when I need to boot into OSX for something. Again, for me, it's worth it. It fits what I do, it saves me time, and hassles. It more than pays for itself. If what you do works for you, be happy.

Why would I ever want to run OSX? Ubuntu and Win7 does everything.

[Avatard]

Not in music, it doesn't. More and more Logic is outpacing, and literally replacing ProTools.

[Trip]

You can get a PC laptop with the same hardware for nearly $400 less.

After years of building my own PCs and spouting the same excuses as you are doing now, getting a PC to run Windows as fast as the comparable Mac is not nearly as huge of a cost savings as you think. This is coming from a person that absolutely hated Apple.

You also don't have to worry about compatibility of hardware issues.

[tallywacker]

After years of building my own PCs and spouting the same excuses as you are doing now, getting a PC to run Windows as fast as the comparable Mac is not nearly as huge of a cost savings as you think. This is coming from a person that absolutely hated Apple.

You also don't have to worry about compatibility of hardware issues.

I would have to have issues to care

[Rangerscott]

Why cant the OS's get along and have a gang bang?

[tallywacker]

Why cant the OS's get along and have a gang bang?

Because Steve Jobs = Joseph Stalin

[Avatard]

Why cant the OS's get along and have a gang bang?

It's called "Parallels" and it runs on Apple.

[Trip]

It's called "Parallels" and it runs on Apple.

Fusion is better, handles memory better. Boot camp is a better option if you are running high end software though.

I would have to have issues to care

Actually you did care because you did your research before hand, you don't have that issue because you have that issue resolved prior to assembling the computer. However, it was an issue when you first started picking out parts to purchase because it is always an issue with PCs. The Macs are meticulously designed to where the issue is never one you need to worry about because the issue never reaches you at any stage. The same can't be said for every PC maker out there. There are always compatibility issues with them even on the over Mac money high end PCs.

:nee:

[Lamnidae]

......The Macs are meticulously designed to where the issue is never one you need to worry about because the issue never reaches you at any stage. The same can't be said for every PC maker out there. There are always compatibility issues with them even on the over Mac money high end PCs.

:nee:

Agree w/ you there. I think one of the biggest things drawing the Windows based platforms back is the fact that they provide too much legacy support. W/ the Mac OS's you're given a specific set of hardware it supports --- if you don't have it, tough shit, go buy new hardware.....