View Full Version : "Gender pay gap" discredited
Homeslice
03-13-2011, 11:59 AM
:zowned:
Flat-out ownage... (http://www.businessinsider.com/actually-the-gender-pay-gap-is-just-a-myth-2011-3?op=1)
Amorok
03-13-2011, 12:21 PM
No one will listen. Once there's a victim mindset in a group, it never goes away.
Captain Morgan
03-13-2011, 12:39 PM
[devil's advocate]
Maybe women are being held back and/or discriminated against, which is why they don't have the higher paying jobs. For instance:
Unmarried women who’ve never had a child actually earn more than unmarried men, according to Nemko and data compiled from the Census Bureau.
This shows that women are clearly discriminated against because they take time off for maternity leave.
[/devil's advocate]
By the way, before you flame me, I'm being sarcastic. I'm just showing that any statistic can be twisted to show whatever the author chooses to show (but I hope most of us know that already).
Amorok
03-13-2011, 12:43 PM
My only opinion on that is that men should get time off for paternity leave as well. I took a month that was chargeable leave, whereas if I'd been a woman I'd have gotten six weeks free.
Captain Morgan
03-13-2011, 12:47 PM
My only opinion on that is that men should get time off for paternity leave as well. I took a month that was chargeable leave, whereas if I'd been a woman I'd have gotten six weeks free.
Surprisingly enough, some companies actually do that now.
Amorok
03-13-2011, 12:56 PM
Yeah, not the Air Force. Also, while a woman can get the military to pay for her breast augmentation surgery, I can't get them to pay for anything to keep me from goin g bald. THERE'S your inequality.
pauldun170
03-13-2011, 01:02 PM
This jerk stole my work. If only I had done that whole publishing thing and shown it to more than 20 people.
Since this discriminates against a group by denying them the ability to play the victim card it will be ignored.
It should be noted that wage discrimination is historically an issue and many women have had to deal with this during the course of their career. However it is no longer the issue it once was. Times have changed.
There are areas and industries where it van still be found but overall the severity of discrimination as a whole is overstated and misrepresented
Homeslice
03-13-2011, 03:17 PM
Also, while a woman can get the military to pay for her breast augmentation surgery,
Say what?
Homeslice
03-13-2011, 03:21 PM
Under what circumstances?
My only opinion on that is that men should get time off for paternity leave as well. I took a month that was chargeable leave, whereas if I'd been a woman I'd have gotten six weeks free.
Army does, it was implemented last year (or the year before), but its not 6 weeks, it is 2 weeks non chargeable.
Yeah, not the Air Force. Also, while a woman can get the military to pay for her breast augmentation surgery, I can't get them to pay for anything to keep me from goin g bald. THERE'S your inequality.
Yeh but they will pay for your balls to be snipped, which is worth much more than a set of bewbies, because it prevents a set of babies
Homeslice
03-13-2011, 03:25 PM
Army does, it was implemented last year (or the year before), but its not 6 weeks, it is 2 weeks non chargeable.
2 weeks :lmao:
101lifts2
03-13-2011, 05:18 PM
My only opinion on that is that men should get time off for paternity leave as well. I took a month that was chargeable leave, whereas if I'd been a woman I'd have gotten six weeks free.
But you're not the one actually having the child. Big difference....and if you need to stay home, then you could just as well pay for a babysitter. :idk:
Particle Man
03-13-2011, 05:32 PM
2 weeks :lmao:
Are you the one popping the kid out?
I had 2 weeks paternity leave when my little one was born.
pauldun170
03-13-2011, 05:33 PM
Both men and woman are treated equally where I work.
3 months paid leave.
Back when I had my kids it was 2 months.
Paternity\Maternity.
It works out better for the company in that it allows for the employee to properly hand off all responsibilities vs having an unreliable exhausted employee at work.
Men have the same benefit as women because to do otherwise would be discriminatory.
Mikey
03-13-2011, 05:47 PM
Under what circumstances?
A couple different circumstances, but the most common is depression caused by a negative self-image. It was originally designed to help out women with Mastectomies and things of that nature, but now it's mostly used by women who just want bigger boobs.
Amarok, the AF does give paternity leave now. IIRC, it's like 2 weeks non-chargeable.
Amorok
03-13-2011, 06:51 PM
Well that's nice to know, that wasn't the case four years ago when Poot was born. And no, I'm not the one popping the kid out but I wanted to be home to support Ulu and make it as easy on her as I could while she was recovering and dealing with a life-threatening infection and reduced mobility. I guess my point is that they don't at all make it easy to do the right thing as a guy, but then I have to hear about how women have it so bad. Well, there's double standards everywhere, folks.
Homeslice
03-13-2011, 11:05 PM
A couple different circumstances, but the most common is depression caused by a negative self-image. It was originally designed to help out women with Mastectomies and things of that nature, but now it's mostly used by women who just want bigger boobs.
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The mastectomy thing is common sense. But for anything else? Please.....If a woman has low self-esteem because of her boobs, then it would have been an issue BEFORE she joined the military as well.
I seriously hope any girl who gets her boobs done "just because" on the miltary's dime gets snickered at everywhere she goes. EVERYONE she works with will know what happened, and I doubt she will be taken seriously anymore.
anthonyk
03-13-2011, 11:45 PM
I dunno, out of all the examples of "men choose these job but not women," I don't see anything that clearly shows choice is the important factor. If women are applying but not getting hired, the gap is still pretty real.
pauldun170
03-14-2011, 01:33 AM
I dunno, out of all the examples of "men choose these job but not women," I don't see anything that clearly shows choice is the important factor. If women are applying but not getting hired, the gap is still pretty real.
That has nothing to do with wage discrimination.
EpyonXero
03-14-2011, 03:28 PM
Under what circumstances?
To boost morale?
http://miami.media.indypgh.org/uploads/2006/01/army_girls_gone_wild6_347.jpg
Particle Man
03-14-2011, 03:39 PM
.My, er, morale has been boosted...
anthonyk
03-14-2011, 05:06 PM
That has nothing to do with wage discrimination.
True, and since I don't even remember typing that, I'm gonna blame the gin.
The mastectomy thing is common sense. But for anything else? Please.....If a woman has low self-esteem because of her boobs, then it would have been an issue BEFORE she joined the military as well.
I seriously hope any girl who gets her boobs done "just because" on the miltary's dime gets snickered at everywhere she goes. EVERYONE she works with will know what happened, and I doubt she will be taken seriously anymore.
No no no no no. She should have to show them to ANYONE who asks since we all paid for them.
Captain Morgan
03-14-2011, 09:15 PM
No no no no no. She should have to show them to ANYONE who asks since we all paid for them.
I like how you think. :D
Razor
03-15-2011, 03:29 AM
Yeah, not the Air Force. Also, while a woman can get the military to pay for her breast augmentation surgery, I can't get them to pay for anything to keep me from goin g bald. THERE'S your inequality.
Actually the Air Force now gives 10 days of Paternity Leave for those who choose to have kids. Its only been around for about a year and a half or two years...
Particle Man
03-15-2011, 08:59 PM
Actually the Air Force now gives 10 days of Paternity Leave for those who choose to have kids. Its only been around for about a year and a half or two years...
Sounds like they're taking the approach of a lot of private sector companies and trying to use it to keep or attract talent.
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