This is how you break up a fight. [Archive]

EpyonXero

03-21-2011, 03:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kykuLXTbKY0&feature=watch_response

YouTube video showing St. Pat's fight has Savannah police officer on administrative leave
Posted: March 21, 2011 - 9:58am | Updated: March 21, 2011 - 10:18am
By Savannah Morning News

Savannah-Chatham police are investigating a fight caught on video and posted on YouTube that happened during the St. Patrick's festival weekend.

Click here to watch the video.

The video shows several women fighting outside and inside a red SUV, a man watching and then participating in the fight by hitting the vehicle and forcing the open door into the combatants while a crowd watches and encourages the participants.

Two police officers arrive on scene and force the man to the ground, striking his legs with a baton. As the officer secures the man, one of the women who appears bloodied from the fight pushes the officer. The officer chases her away by striking her on her legs with the baton.

After placing handcuffs on the man, the officer pursues the woman. He pulls her back to the scene by the belt on her trousers, forces her to the ground beside the man and secures her as other officers rush in.

Police say the officer has been placed on administrative leave, pending the investigation.

"The video vividly shows part of what happened, but it does not show all that transpired," said Savannah-Chatham police chief Willie Lovett. "It is important that we know all sides of the situation before we comment further."

pauldun170

03-21-2011, 03:56 PM

Thats old school policing right there.

"but officer!!!"

WHACK!!!

"BUT OFFICER!!!

WHACK!! WHACK!!!

Particle Man

03-21-2011, 04:16 PM

looks like some real upstanding citizens in that fight :rolleyes:

derf

03-21-2011, 04:39 PM

I'm not so sure the officer wasnt (almost) justified in his actions. The girl was pretty violent and the dude too. They were violent and from what I saw, did not comply with the officers commands. It did look like he had control of the girl when he slammed her to the ground though

shmike

03-21-2011, 04:42 PM

It did look like he had control of the girl when he slammed her to the ground though

That was total overkill, he could have put her against the Explorer and cuffed her.

There was no reason to drop her at that point.

tommymac

03-21-2011, 04:45 PM

That was total overkill, he could have put her against the Explorer and cuffed her.

There was no reason to drop her at that point.

She was already peppersprayed at that point.

OneSickPsycho

03-21-2011, 04:48 PM

That was total overkill, he could have put her against the Explorer and cuffed her.

There was no reason to drop her at that point.

Multiple people to worry about, one already mosied off the scene, put 'em all on the ground... way easier to catch someone trying to flee the scene when they have to get up off the ground before taking off running...

I think the baton use looked a bit over the top to me... and completely ineffective at that... should have gone straight to the taser IMHO. Cop tells you to do something, you either comply or they use force... easy.

EpyonXero

03-21-2011, 04:48 PM

Im fine with everything up to the face slam.

fasternyou929

03-21-2011, 04:49 PM

OneSickPsycho

03-21-2011, 04:54 PM

No shit. And "control" my ass, she was in total free fall when her face hit the pavement.

Shouldn't have resisted...

That's the one thing that's almost ALWAYS apparent in these 'police brutality' videos... stupid motherfuckers trying to resist the inevitable... You fight against what they are asking you to do and you lose. Simple.

tommymac

03-21-2011, 05:00 PM

Shouldn't have resisted...

That's the one thing that's almost ALWAYS apparent in these 'police brutality' videos... stupid motherfuckers trying to resist the inevitable... You fight against what they are asking you to do and you lose. Simple.

Or you can be like this jackass and sue the municipality :td:

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/03/21/2011-03-21_driver_sues_after_cops_taser_him.html

fasternyou929

03-21-2011, 05:00 PM

Shouldn't have resisted...

That's the one thing that's almost ALWAYS apparent in these 'police brutality' videos... stupid motherfuckers trying to resist the inevitable... You fight against what they are asking you to do and you lose. Simple.

The world isn't binary. If you're cool with face planting a girl on concrete after pepper spraying her and draggin her around by her belt, that's your thing.

She wasn't doing a damn thing but trying to keep her balance while he yanked her blinded ass around by her belt; sure as hell wasn't resisting. Unless you're saying she pushed him earlier so she had it coming later when she was incapacitated?

azoomm

03-21-2011, 06:58 PM

The world isn't binary. If you're cool with face planting a girl on concrete after pepper spraying her and draggin her around by her belt, that's your thing.

She wasn't doing a damn thing but trying to keep her balance while he yanked her blinded ass around by her belt; sure as hell wasn't resisting. Unless you're saying she pushed him earlier so she had it coming later when she was incapacitated?

I have no problem with all the force up to when he dropped her on her face. Though, I don't know how he would have put her gently down on her face from the back of her belt...

Tmall

03-21-2011, 07:16 PM

I have no problem with all the force up to when he dropped her on her face. Though, I don't know how he would have put her gently down on her face from the back of her belt...

What about the use of the baton when they weren't attacking the person or resisting? They followed verbal commands, and then the beating started.

azoomm

03-21-2011, 07:19 PM

What about the use of the baton when they weren't attacking the person or resisting? They followed verbal commands, and then the beating started.

They followed the commands? I saw the chick toss her purse at the officer at one point...

Trip

03-21-2011, 07:35 PM

What about the dude, the dude didn't do anything and got whacked.

Particle Man

03-21-2011, 07:38 PM

What about the dude, the dude didn't do anything and got whacked.

He was there

ericr

03-21-2011, 07:39 PM

He didn't do what he was told! WHACK!! :lol:

It would suck being a cop, you have to ask people nicely if they will get down gently and let you handcuff them and take them to jail. God forbid you have to force them to do with without a lawsuit.

Tmall

03-21-2011, 08:27 PM

Adeptus_Minor

03-21-2011, 08:38 PM

Taser shotgun ftw.

derf

03-21-2011, 08:46 PM

What about the dude, the dude didn't do anything and got whacked.

He didnt move fast enough

azoomm

03-21-2011, 10:42 PM

What about the dude, the dude didn't do anything and got whacked.

The worst thing he did was in front of the cop. He slammed the door on the two fighting. Then didn't follow directions.

101lifts2

03-21-2011, 10:55 PM

Shouldn't have resisted...

That's the one thing that's almost ALWAYS apparent in these 'police brutality' videos... stupid motherfuckers trying to resist the inevitable... You fight against what they are asking you to do and you lose. Simple.

Cops are not the juydge and jury. They detain and arrest if need be. The day we allow cops to selectivly use excessive force because they are pissed off is the day we can our throw away our consitution.

OneSickPsycho

03-22-2011, 08:52 AM

Cops are not the juydge and jury. They detain and arrest if need be. The day we allow cops to selectivly use excessive force because they are pissed off is the day we can our throw away our consitution.

I agree, but perhaps our views of excessive force are not the same... Mine are, do ONLY what is necessary to control the situation... Not, try the least amount of force possible, hope it works, and potentially get shot/stabbed/beat up...

Again, I think the baton useage was over the top, not because it was wrong, but because it was completely ineffective... One hit should have been sufficient, but the dude was either holding back (ie aiming for soft parts) or had terrible aim... Should have tasered first...

As for the chick getting face planted, looked to me like he yanked her by the belt and swept her legs, effectively knocking her down. He did not go for anything crazy like grab her by the hair/neck and slam her face against the ground... she just failed to catch herself when she was dropped.

It's real easy to sit here and armchair quarterback the situation while watching a shitty video on the internet... While I don't think the situation was handled properly - again, I would have just started tasering people - I also don't view this as egregious abuse of power... Nobody would have gotten the baton, that chick wouldn't have face planted, and that video would have been awful damn boring if the idiots involved would have just listened in the first place. Further, nobody was hit once incapacitated and the situation was neutralized.

Homeslice

03-22-2011, 09:10 AM

So he abandons his primary subject, and turns his back on him, to chase after a woman who did less wrong? Idiot.

CasterTroy

03-22-2011, 09:34 AM

What about the dude, the dude didn't do anything and got whacked.

Other than punch the door and the front fender (denting it @ 1:18) RIGHT before the cops rolled up on him.

OneSickPsycho

03-22-2011, 09:59 AM

So he abandons his primary subject, and turns his back on him, to chase after a woman who did less wrong? Idiot.

Unfortunately for the cops, they didn't see the video prior to arriving at the scene... in fact, we have no idea what they saw... You got these people who were obviously involved, acting beligerent and not complying with simple instructions, WTF do you do? You subdue everyone you can and sort people out after the fact.

Homeslice

03-22-2011, 10:26 AM

Unfortunately for the cops, they didn't see the video prior to arriving at the scene... in fact, we have no idea what they saw... You got these people who were obviously involved, acting beligerent and not complying with simple instructions, WTF do you do? You subdue everyone you can and sort people out after the fact.

I doubt turning your back on your primary subject is part of their training....

Especially when that subject poses a greater physical threat than the girl...

How about first yelling at her to go away........Or stand up and push her away........Not go chasing after her for 20 feet while your primary subject is unrestrained and not being watched...

OneSickPsycho

03-22-2011, 10:31 AM

Tmall

03-22-2011, 11:27 AM

Other than punch the door and the front fender (denting it @ 1:18) RIGHT before the cops rolled up on him.

Punishment is not his job. The court gets to decide what punishment is sufficient. Not a limp wristed cop with baton envy.

Sixxxxer

03-22-2011, 11:28 AM

Reminds me of a time leaving a Phillies game. Except it was all guys...And the one guy was ramming this dudes head in between the door like a bowling pin. I ran over to four Police officers Literally sitting 20ft away from the whole thing and they didnt even react with intent to do anything.

People dont help during these situations...They stand there and watch.

OneSickPsycho

03-22-2011, 11:41 AM

Punishment is not his job. The court gets to decide what punishment is sufficient. Not a limp wristed cop with baton envy.

Neutralizing the situation is... and that's what he did... Once the guy was on the ground, I didn't see him getting beat up... same with the chick... Once no longer posing a threat, the force was discontinued... It wasn't a Rodney King situation, seems pretty simple to me.

CasterTroy

03-22-2011, 12:07 PM

Punishment is not his job. The court gets to decide what punishment is sufficient. Not a limp wristed cop with baton envy.

Agreed...but he wasn't JUST standing there. He caused maybe $2k worth of damage to the car....I would assume not HIS car, so he committed a crime. At that point he was restrained for booking. Officers didnt' know if he was ON something, involved in the fight, or just outta his mind.

Tmall

03-22-2011, 12:31 PM

Agreed...but he wasn't JUST standing there. He caused maybe $2k worth of damage to the car....I would assume not HIS car, so he committed a crime. At that point he was restrained for booking. Officers didnt' know if he was ON something, involved in the fight, or just outta his mind.

He wasn't restrained though. He was hit and then put on the ground and left there.

I'm not saying the two civilians were right, not by any means. I'm just saying from my point of view, the police officer did not need to baton either of them. And he definitely did not need to pepperspray her.

OneSickPsycho

03-22-2011, 12:43 PM

He wasn't restrained though. He was hit and then put on the ground and left there.

I'm not saying the two civilians were right, not by any means. I'm just saying from my point of view, the police officer did not need to baton either of them. And he definitely did not need to pepperspray her.

Does he just stand there for an hour and try to reason with them? Cop says get on the ground, and you don't, WTF is he supposed to do? Sing you a lullaby and hope you'll fall asleep?

Homeslice

03-22-2011, 01:55 PM

shmike

03-22-2011, 01:56 PM

Tmall

03-22-2011, 02:17 PM

Does he just stand there for an hour and try to reason with them? Cop says get on the ground, and you don't, WTF is he supposed to do? Sing you a lullaby and hope you'll fall asleep?

In case you didn't notice the first two times I ignored you quoting me.. I'm ignoring you quoting me.

KSGregman

03-22-2011, 02:20 PM

In case you didn't notice the first two times I ignored you quoting me.. I'm ignoring you quoting me.

The old "put your fingers in your ears and yell LALALALALALALALA I can't hear you!!!!" rebuttal....

Not the most gracious way to admit defeat in a debate....but...whatever blows your hair back, I guess. :lol:

OneSickPsycho

03-22-2011, 02:26 PM

Remember that youtube vid of the black kid fucking up his backflip during karate lesson? He gets up and tries to act like it didn't happen, swinging his numchucks around like a windmill. That's what this cop reminds me of :lol:

:lol: I can't say I disagree with that comparison...

In case you didn't notice the first two times I ignored you quoting me.. I'm ignoring you quoting me.

Actually, I didn't notice... most times I don't even pay attention to who is saying what, more just what they are saying. I appreciate you acknowledgement of defeat either way...

CasterTroy

03-22-2011, 02:35 PM

. I appreciate you acknowledgement of defeat either way...

:lol

Papa_Complex

03-22-2011, 03:06 PM

See, that's why I could never be a cop. Too many toys, not enough time.

"Sweep the leg"

Damned Irish immigrants. Send them all back to County Cork.

Tmall

03-22-2011, 03:48 PM

The old "put your fingers in your ears and yell LALALALALALALALA I can't hear you!!!!" rebuttal....

Not the most gracious way to admit defeat in a debate....but...whatever blows your hair back, I guess. :lol:

If that's your take on it, then fill your boots.

I just choose not to debate whether or not it was over the top when his first statement was, "I'd have just tasered them all immediately..".

CasterTroy

03-22-2011, 04:04 PM

"Sweep the leg"

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr315/reneaus/girlbeerlegsweep.gif

fasternyou929

03-22-2011, 04:17 PM

^excellent cross-forum post! lol

CasterTroy

03-22-2011, 04:17 PM

:pat:

Hydrant

03-22-2011, 06:27 PM

I was thinking a Karate Kid reference was going to go with " sweep the leg".

CasterTroy's was much better.

ericr

03-22-2011, 08:15 PM

I doubt turning your back on your primary subject is part of their training....

Especially when that subject poses a greater physical threat than the girl...

How about first yelling at her to go away........Or stand up and push her away........Not go chasing after her for 20 feet while your primary subject is unrestrained and not being watched...

Actually if you look close, right about 2:10 or so he's putting the cuffs on the dude before he goes and gets the girl back over there, it's barely shown before the camera is back on the girl. When she got in his face, he tried to move her off to finish securing the dude with the baton, then maced her and went back to secure the dude who was complying at that time.

Papa_Complex

03-22-2011, 08:17 PM

I was thinking a Karate Kid reference was going to go with " sweep the leg".

CasterTroy's was much better.

Either way, it's "NO MERCY!"

Homeslice

03-22-2011, 08:45 PM

Actually if you look close, right about 2:10 or so he's putting the cuffs on the dude before he goes and gets the girl back over there, it's barely shown before the camera is back on the girl. When she got in his face, he tried to move her off to finish securing the dude with the baton, then maced her and went back to secure the dude who was complying at that time.

I am talking about way before 2:10. He hasn't even started cuffing the guy, and he abandons him for 10 seconds to start wailing on the girl.

Flexin

03-23-2011, 12:20 AM

I think the cop did go over board but they should have listened as well. The guy also just pulled away from both guys when he was in front of the SUV. He wasn't listening. And when the cops got there he seemed like the biggest threat since he was flipping out. If he would have kept his cool for another 30 seconds he would have went home that night.

The female should have never tried to touch a cop that is trying to cuff someone. And if a cop hits you three times with a baton you do not walk toward him again. She did and got sprayed. I couldn't tell if he asked her to lay don't before sweeping her. I don't think she hit her face but landed hard. He should have told her to get down first IMO. But up until that point she didn't show any desire to listen so its kinda on her.

James

ericr

03-23-2011, 08:01 PM

I am talking about way before 2:10. He hasn't even started cuffing the guy, and he abandons him for 10 seconds to start wailing on the girl.

Ok, yeah, I noticed that too but it was priorities for him then. The dude was on the ground and the girl kept coming at the cop so she became the immediate threat... but I noticed he wasn't really keeping an eye on the dude either. It can't be fun trying to detain 2 people at once like that.