Meet the "Kill team" clASS acts.

[AquaPython]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327?page=1

[Archren]

Those are the kind of people who make the rest of us look bad. And of course no one in the chain of command has been pegged with anything as of yet, even though they had ample warning signs they should have investigated. Much like the Fort Hood shooter, you let things start falling through the cracks, and then it blows up in your fucking face.

[Kaneman]

Those guys are going to make great cops one day...

[pauldun170]

Just finished reading that story.

[derf]

Those are the kind of people who make the rest of us look bad. And of course no one in the chain of command has been pegged with anything as of yet, even though they had ample warning signs they should have investigated. Much like the Fort Hood shooter, you let things start falling through the cracks, and then it blows up in your fucking face.

Yeh no shit, but hindsight is 20/20

[KSGregman]

I read this and am less concerned about hindsight than I am about foresight....looking forward to seeing these murderous animals punished in THE most malicious way possible.

Murdering a child in cold blood....and singled handedly destroying what is essentially a "hearts and minds" campaign?

Yeah...I'm not in the least bit concerned with them anymore....kill them and be done with it. Make an example out of them to whatever other pyschopaths are in our armed forces over there....and try to restore some credibility/faith with those Afghanis who haven't already completely written us off as the hypocritical lying shitbags that we are.

[Homeslice]

Those are the kind of people who make the rest of us look bad. And of course no one in the chain of command has been pegged with anything as of yet, even though they had ample warning signs they should have investigated. Much like the Fort Hood shooter, you let things start falling through the cracks, and then it blows up in your fucking face.
Or like the Abu Graib thing (or however the F you spell it)

Much easier to pin it on a few "bad apples" in the lower ranks...... than to blame a mid/senior officer for it

"Plausible deniability" at its finest

[Archren]

Or like the Abu Graib thing (or however the F you spell it)

Much easier to pin it on a few "bad apples" in the lower ranks...... than to blame a mid/senior officer for it

"Plausible deniability" at its finest

Indeed. In both cases there were some bad apples... really sick, rotten apples... but the command should have known something.

[Papa_Complex]

Give them to the locals.

[101lifts2]

Those are the kind of people who make the rest of us look bad. And of course no one in the chain of command has been pegged with anything as of yet, even though they had ample warning signs they should have investigated. Much like the Fort Hood shooter, you let things start falling through the cracks, and then it blows up in your fucking face.

what makes you look bad isn't the few bad apples; it's the upper ranks covering it up.

[Archren]

what makes you look bad isn't the few bad apples; it's the upper ranks covering it up.

Point. Neither one helps matters. :lol:

[fatbuckRTO]

Make an example out of them to whatever other pyschopaths are in our armed forces over there....and try to restore some credibility/faith with those Afghanis who haven't already completely written us off as the hypocritical lying shitbags that we are.Meh. Let's talk about credibility and faith where Afghans are concerned...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending soldiers who murder people in cold blood. All I'm saying is "whatever other psychopaths are in our armed forces over there" probably have more in common with the average native Afghan than the rest. After seeing how they treat their own children, wives, and neighbors, I'm frankly surprised these soldiers weren't given heroes' welcomes by the locals.

[Papa_Complex]

Meh. Let's talk about credibility and faith where Afghans are concerned...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending soldiers who murder people in cold blood. All I'm saying is "whatever other psychopaths are in our armed forces over there" probably have more in common with the average native Afghan than the rest. After seeing how they treat their own children, wives, and neighbors, I'm frankly surprised these soldiers weren't given heroes' welcomes by the locals.

The only thing that unites Afghanis is a threat from outside. People think that the Mujahideen was some kind of cohesive group but they were really a bunch of political and cultural enemies, united by "the struggle" against the Soviets. Ultimately the Taliban grew out of this.

If an outsider shoots the kid of someone's worst enemy, that enemy would gladly kill the outsider.

[fatbuckRTO]

The only thing that unites Afghanis is a threat from outside. People think that the Mujahideen was some kind of cohesive group but they were really a bunch of political and cultural enemies, united by "the struggle" against the Soviets. Ultimately the Taliban grew out of this.

If an outsider shoots the kid of someone's worst enemy, that enemy would gladly kill the outsider.

That is the propaganda of pashtunwali, yes. But if that were truly the case, Al-Qaeda would never have had a foothold there. The reality is that the only thing that unites Afghans is greed and deceit. The Taliban didn't just grow or happen in response to civil unrest, as they love to claim. I'm fairly sure, if the real history was ever revealed, you'd see a lot more influence from "hated outsiders" like Pakistan and Al-Qaeda themselves.

My brother and I against my cousin, my brother and our cousin against the neighbor, and all of us against the foreigner. Unless homeboy brought cash, then I'm straight gankin' my cousin and my brother better watch his back.

[Papa_Complex]

... and then shivving the outsider in the back, once you've got the money, because he's an outsider ;)

[KSGregman]

We taught them well.....

Hell yeah, homes....we got your back...go fuck those Russians up....whatever they tear up, we'll rebuild when it's over.....we got you man...now go...rip those fuckers up.

The Russians left and we punked their asses HARD....just up and left....sorry about your pad being all fucked up, homes....but we gotta roll.....later, bitches.

We fucked them....and they are doing the natural thing and fucking us right back. :idk:

[udman]

Hell yeah, homes....we got your back...go fuck those Russians up....whatever they tear up, we'll rebuild when it's over.....we got you man...now go...rip those fuckers up.

The Russians left and we punked their asses HARD....just up and left....sorry about your pad being all fucked up, homes....but we gotta roll.....later, bitches.


Internet gangster speak without a single "z". Actually that is quite impressive.

[fatbuckRTO]

We taught them well.....

Hell yeah, homes....we got your back...go fuck those Russians up....whatever they tear up, we'll rebuild when it's over.....we got you man...now go...rip those fuckers up.

The Russians left and we punked their asses HARD....just up and left....sorry about your pad being all fucked up, homes....but we gotta roll.....later, bitches.

We fucked them....and they are doing the natural thing and fucking us right back. :idk:
Please. Take that tired refrain back to Iraq. Afghanistan was fucked up long before they even laid eyes on a western European.

But if you must blame someone in recent history, blame the Soviets. Afghanistan was well on its way to being a modern, working country in the 70's before the Soviets showed up to enlighten them with world socialism and lines for toilet paper.

By the way, that progress that the Soviets ground to a screeching halt was thanks in large part to American money. I lost count of how many times I heard "Yeah, that school was built by us back in the 70's. Then the Taliban burned it down after the Soviets left." Not just foreign aid, corporate investment too. But neither socialists, nor communists, nor Islamic fundamentalists have any use for corporate investment.

Foreign aid, on the other hand...

[fatbuckRTO]

... and then shivving the outsider in the back, once you've got the money, because he's an outsider ;)
More accurately (in the case of the US), extort more money from the outsider for you gankin' your cousin and your brother even though they know you did the gankin',* then shiv, etc.



* Just call it saz and they'll totally buy into it...

[KSGregman]

Please. Take that tired refrain back to Iraq. Afghanistan was fucked up long before they even laid eyes on a western European.

I don't disagree with you about a tribalized "country" being "fucked up" by Western standards.....apparently where we do disagree is in the fact that we lied to them. We used them. And they remember.

It's a pattern that repeats itself in a lot of places in the world.....Iran comes to mind. We stole from them (you'd be stunned to hear that it was all about oil, I'm sure)...installed an illegitimate ruler over them....and they eventually rebelled and overthrew the Shah.....and they REMEMBER. That part of the history is inconvenient to retell though....so instead we get a steady diet of "those crazy Iranians hate our Western way of life...they are crazy Shia muslims!!"

No...they hate us for very good reasons.

[fatbuckRTO]

I don't disagree with you about a tribalized "country" being "fucked up" by Western standards.....apparently where we do disagree is in the fact that we lied to them. We used them. And they remember.We used them? We didn't send the Soviets in and we damn sure didn't make the Afghans start fighting them. Sure, we stuck our noses in to the enormous benefit of the Afghans, and it gave us a good private chuckle to see Russia get its dick slapped with our weapons, but we didn't force a war on anybody in that country. Nor did we prolong or escalate anything; if it's not painfully obvious yet, the Afghans would have kept fighting with or without Stinger missiles.

Iran is a separate matter. Iranians are not Afghans, nor does either group identify with the other. Iranians somehow managed to have an Islamic revolution without locking themselves in the 5th century (completely). Iranians didn't host a terrorist organization that killed 3000 Americans.

But no, the Afghans don't remember shit. They don't remember that the US was their ally against the real oppressors, the Soviets, mostly because we didn't stick around to rebuild their country with our money as you said. That was a strategic mistake on our part, sure, but it doesn't justify aiding and abetting criminals in their efforts to kill us. And it damn sure doesn't justify killing us now that we are there to rebuild their country with our money.

I'm curious, though, by which standards would you consider a cultural preference for ass-raping young boys in lieu of adult(ish) wives not fucked up.

[Papa_Complex]

Fought them by proxy.

[Twobanger]

We used them? We didn't send the Soviets in and we damn sure didn't make the Afghans start fighting them. Sure, we stuck our noses in to the enormous benefit of the Afghans, and it gave us a good private chuckle to see Russia get its dick slapped with our weapons, but we didn't force a war on anybody in that country. Nor did we prolong or escalate anything; if it's not painfully obvious yet, the Afghans would have kept fighting with or without Stinger missiles.

Iran is a separate matter. Iranians are not Afghans, nor does either group identify with the other. Iranians somehow managed to have an Islamic revolution without locking themselves in the 5th century (completely). Iranians didn't host a terrorist organization that killed 3000 Americans.

But no, the Afghans don't remember shit. They don't remember that the US was their ally against the real oppressors, the Soviets, mostly because we didn't stick around to rebuild their country with our money as you said. That was a strategic mistake on our part, sure, but it doesn't justify aiding and abetting criminals in their efforts to kill us. And it damn sure doesn't justify killing us now that we are there to rebuild their country with our money.

I'm curious, though, by which standards would you consider a cultural preference for ass-raping young boys in lieu of adult(ish) wives not fucked up.


Is it true that they have a saying that goes "Boys are for pleasure and women are for breeding"? Ive also heard Thursday evenings are pretty fucked up
there.

[fatbuckRTO]

Is it true that they have a saying that goes "Boys are for pleasure and women are for breeding"? Ive also heard Thursday evenings are pretty fucked up
there.I've heard of that saying many times, but never directly from an Arab or an Afghan (it's said to be a saying throughout the Middle East). The Jordanians do have what they call the "13th soldier," though whether they were joking or not I couldn't say. The Thursday evening thing I heard from a couple of our Afghan interpreters, and I'm fairly sure they were serious.

But the abuse of young boys was very evident; most of the offenders never even tried to hide it because there are no repercussions in Afghan society. Those are our "allies" there: unrepentant pedophiles.

[pauldun170]

The whole nambla thing they got going on has been done to death in just about every society throughout human history. Here in the states you need a dr's note from the Vatican to do it.

But that's another thread....
What I want to know is what's so wrong with afghan vagina that these guys are turning to alternatives. Is there really that much sand in the vagina that it causes abrasions when you stick it in?
We really should invade china. At least those vaginas are free of sand. Sideways? Sure... Sandy ? No

[fatbuckRTO]

The whole nambla thing they got going on has been done to death in just about every society throughout human history. Here in the states you need a dr's note from the Vatican to do it.

Difference is, some societies have actually decided it's wrong and punish offenders if they are caught.

[pauldun170]

Difference is, some societies have actually decided it's wrong and punish offenders if they are caught.
That wasn't my question señor fatbuck
I was asking about the vaginas.


Why can't I ever get a straight answer about vaginas in this place?

[derf]

Afgan women are not people in their culture, they are child bearers, farm workers, mine clearers, and cooks.

little boys are dissposable because you don't expect them to live to adulthood.

[pauldun170]

Jesus Christ this is frustrating.
Talking pussy with you people is like discussing non Starbucks coffee with manhattan girls. In fucking possible

[defector]

Jesus Christ this is frustrating.
Talking pussy with you people is like discussing non Starbucks coffee with manhattan girls. In fucking possible
Middle Eastern vag is sandy and smells like dirty camel.

[pauldun170]

Middle Eastern vag is sandy and smells like dirty camel.

Thank you....
What does camel smell like? If I have a cold I am not smelling anything anyway so perhaps there is a middle ground somewhere

[defector]

Thank you....
What does camel smell like?
Which end?
Dirty or normal?

[derf]

Middle Eastern vag is sandy and smells like dirty camel.

Its smelly because they don't shower, and is full to the brim with vd

[pauldun170]

Its smelly because they don't shower, and is full to the brim with vd

I can go to Europe for that... No need to be sweating my ass off in the middle east

[pauldun170]

Which end?
Dirty or normal? both I guess.
Camels are like llamas right? Spit...not swallow?

[defector]

both I guess.
Camels are like llamas right? Spit...not swallow?
Camels are like grumpy old people. Expel from both ends on the regular. Except camels are more likely to let you ride on their back.

[pauldun170]

Camels are like grumpy old people. Expel from both ends on the regular. Except camels are more likely to let you ride on their back.

Yippee!! Awesome....
Girls around here charge extra for pony rides